Hey Chang.I theorized 2 scum + 1 Indy eons ago at this point, but I don't remember Ben even running with that assumption
Who said 2 scum left first in neighbor chat? You or Ben?
Hey Chang.
Who said 2 scum left first in neighbor chat? You or Ben?
If you remove innocent scans and lynch the host if scum roles, the remaining players are. FD, IGCD, Ben, and MI. Im willing to remove MI.Death having the balls to put that wtf vote on Ben as a bus would be something though.
FD third party, Ben scum neighbor, and Death godfather. Thats my final answer. Looks super clean.
##Vote: Ben
ctes and chang look the same at a glance.Han fired first.
Either way, who said it first?
Ben, did you suggest ctes go for the double vote option or did he suggest it himself?It was me. He asked how I would use the ability, so I looked over the role again and said he should aim to win the double vote. I dont feel like scum Ctes would be able to pull out a double vote. And it would be pretty hard to believe they would have access to one. So i wanted him to prove he could double vote because that could prove him town. Not just to me but the whole game. A prosty result would only get to happen a day from now and it would just be another question if we can even trust the result or not. A double vote is host confirmation that he can do what he says he can do.
Thank christ.But yeah like I had already decided I was saving IGCD with like 16 hours left but I saw the ridiculous over planning at end of day and my save was on like 20 seconds after the flip.
I trust you completely.
Has a big hole in it Kirby wasn't blocking Ulti again, so why wouldn't he be the one sending the kill?
It was me. He asked how I would use the ability, so I looked over the role again and said he should aim to win the double vote. I dont feel like scum Ctes would be able to pull out a double vote. And it would be pretty hard to believe they would have access to one. So i wanted him to prove he could double vote because that could prove him town. Not just to me but the whole game. A prosty result would only get to happen a day from now and it would just be another question if we can even trust the result or not. A double vote is host confirmation that he can do what he says he can do.
ctes and chang look the same at a glance.Uhh, it looks like technically it was me when arguing why I think the bus drive was one use. And the main reason for this assumption is because I find it hard enough to accept 2 of the people left in the game are scum, 3 is even harder
Either way, who said it first?
That's fair, but if he's Evil Troy as I've suggested then he never has to "guess correctly" and he can remove his own vote by choosing to scan innocent whenever he wants.Remember that Red and Ctes were swapped though. Surely scum didnt try to make Ulti scan a guilty Ctes instead of an innocent, right?
The only thing we've learned is that if Ctes is town, none of us will ever go to Vegas with him.
That's fair, but if he's Evil Troy as I've suggested then he never has to "guess correctly" and he can remove his own vote by choosing to scan innocent whenever he wants.Ctes is scum if Ulti is the one taking away his vote. Only when Ulti was roleblocked did he claim this ridiculous role to justify it.
The only thing we've learned is that if Ctes is town, none of us will ever go to Vegas with him.
Remember that Red and Ctes were swapped though. Surely scum didnt try to make Ulti scan a guilty Ctes instead of an innocent, right?
Who says ctes even really scanned guilty n4?The theory that he is Troy says it :/ That was the day he could suddenly vote
Lea wouldnt make 4/19.4+1/19 is possible.
A Death townflip would essentially confirm I stopped the kill and that Ulti only claimed the scan on me because he knows I need to die for it.
And in that townflip case you burn both Ulti and Ctes to the ground without any hesitation at all.
The theory that he is Troy says it :/ That was the day he could suddenly vote
Just went back and check, your only vote and unvote came about 3 hours before Lopen vanished.
Not to say that it's definitely related, but you did not even attempt to vote on day 1 after that happened.
If Death flips town and we still have 3 scum in 9 here's where we're at though.So here's what I think. I still think you and Ulti are both town. I know the thought is that Lopen had to be doctor or cop...but what if Lopen was just Town Backup? And that is the reason Wallz was so confident to claim he was power day 1, even though it was a role he had no way to prove.
Kirby, IGCD, and myself are all basically confirmed town.
People like to act like Chang is confirmed (he's not)
FD has a power that seems completely incompatible with the roles scum has remaining
And that just leaves probably three scum in Ulti, Ctes, MI, and Ben.
If Death flips scum, it makes it likelier Ctes is town, which means Ctes has in fact been blocking his own vote and does leave the possibility that FD can fit.
So you remove those above and Ctes and you have probably two scum Ulti, MI, Ben, and FD.
So here's what I think. I still think you and Ulti are both town. I know the thought is that Lopen had to be doctor or cop...but what if Lopen was just Town Backup? And that is the reason Wallz was so confident to claim he was power day 1, even though it was a role he had no way to prove.It happens to be the only night in the entire game that Ctes was still able to vote.
You seem to not trust Ulti. But what about the fact that Ulti was Jailkept by Kirby and kill was not stopped? And on that same night, Ulti's suggested and obvious scan target was also bus driven by scum
Death/IGCDWhat
There's more though. Everyone in the world knew I wasn't saving Ulti last night. If Kirby didn't block the kill, it seems like the obvious answer would be to kill Ulti last night and to bait IGCD into shooting me. A team with Ulti on it has way more incentive to shoot at IGCD than anyone else.I do agree with that. I said as much to Ctes that I would bet on Ulti's death.
Like if Death actually flips town here you just immediately murder him without second thought.
I do agree with that. I said as much to Ctes that I would bet on Ulti's death.Ulti claimed he tried to scan MI that night though. If scum feared him scanning that much though, why not use the bus to... Y'know... Kill him?
Yesterday they seemingly tried to take care of Ulti's scan. It implies they feared it somewhat. And I thought the Bus was one use, since we've only seen it once. So it seems like this would have to be the day to kill Ulti. It makes no sense unless they dont fear Ulti's scan again. I dont know what to think. Only other option is they never feared the scan and the swap was just to make Ulti look worse when he says he scanned someone that he already scanned again.
Does Ulti being town just make Ctes have to be town? Town or Godfather right
WhatHey, you're the one who said Chang isnt confirmed. And Chang's is way more powerful than a day vig.
The moment he fires his shot he's instant confirmed town because scum won't have two EKs ever.
Hey, you're the one who said Chang isnt confirmed. And Chang's is way more powerful than a day vig.Chang has a role that is similar enough to a scum role that has existed before. This is immutable fact.
I'm open to the possibility just because scum hammerer is a role. Gives IGCD a great excuse to not have to push for a vote. Great thing to claim day 1 and coast on. But I personally think he is town based on his "Knightz does not have access to discord" statements on day 1. I'm just trying to ignore personal reads like that in that post. I do think the way he uses the shot today will give us a more definitive answer on him today too
Ulti claimed he tried to scan MI that night though. If scum feared him scanning that much though, why not use the bus to... Y'know... Kill him?I ..... dont know. But why didnt they use it to just kill you that night? That sure would have avoided situations like THIS you would think. It has to be the same reasons I assume. They want to keep the impasse loop alive?