What four games are on the "Video Games That Didn't Hold Up" Rushmore?

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Paratroopa1
05/19/2024
07:25 PM
#51
Goldeneye still holds up imo, the controls are hard to get used to if you haven't played it in a while, but the mission-based gameplay of the solo campaign holds up and the multiplayer still captures a feeling that I haven't seen a lot of other FPSes replicate.

I still don't think there has ever been a 3D platformer that has movement as fun as SM64's, which is sort of disappointing considering people have had almost 30 years to figure it out.

Zelda 1 is still like one of my favorite games of all time obviously, I think it only gets better with age

Pokemon Red does suck though, completely a relic of its time
LightningStrikes
05/19/2024
07:28 PM
#52
Yeah I played Goldeneye this year snd had a good time with it, it held up a lot better than I thought it would. The level design is great. However despite that its still on my Rushmore because the perception is overwhelming.
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LiquidOshawott
05/19/2024
07:30 PM
#53
Paratroopa1 posted...
Goldeneye still holds up imo, the controls are hard to get used to if you haven't played it in a while, but the mission-based gameplay of the solo campaign holds up and the multiplayer still captures a feeling that I haven't seen a lot of other FPSes replicate.

I still don't think there has ever been a 3D platformer that has movement as fun as SM64's, which is sort of disappointing considering people have had almost 30 years to figure it out.

Zelda 1 is still like one of my favorite games of all time obviously, I think it only gets better with age

Pokemon Red does suck though, completely a relic of its time

honestly out of these four the only one I think is remotely in this conversation is Goldeneye. The control scheme is just too hard after playing stuff like Halo and CoD etc for me to readjust

i guess RBY but in all honesty its the perfect amount of pokemon and even with all its glitches I still find myself enjoying it. Could be nostalgia really. Also probably why the only other gen I think that compares is B/W
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Ifrit
05/19/2024
07:31 PM
#54
Goldeneye 007
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Assassin's Creed
Tomb Raider

Goldeneye hasn't aged well at all. I remember in middle school it was the only game my friends wanted to play! I begged my mom to get this game for me so I could play it. But the controls today are just unplayable. I tried getting my daughter to play with me, and she found it very boring. FPS's aren't either of our things, but I have to say it was a massive disappointment to go back to this game and find out its aged like milk, rather than wine.

I tried playing Oblivion sometime back. I had an easier time getting into Morrowind. Oblivion might have been something when it first came out. But today? It's just pretty unplayable for me.

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HaRRicH
05/19/2024
07:31 PM
#55


HaRRicH posted...
Metroid
Sonic 1
Crash Bandicoot
Super Mario Sunshine

I'll probably change these but I'm starting here.

REMOVE: CB, SMS
ADD: Mario Party 1, Mega Man 3
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jcgamer107
05/19/2024
07:36 PM
#56
Pokmon RBY is still incredibly fun to play casually or speedrun. Future gens largely over-complicated things imo, sometimes simpler is better.

I would argue that GoldenEye's multiplayer was rendered obsolete by Perfect Dark, but yeah single-player is still 10/10. If you can't figure out the controls, that's a skill issue.

and Nintendo nailed the 3D platformer on the first try with SM64

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I'm going to vote for 3 games that spawned huge, successful franchises + one that basically spawned a genre, but that were brutal to play last time I tried them:

Super Mario Kart
Star Fox
Burnout
Space Invaders
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LiquidOshawott
05/19/2024
07:40 PM
#57
Heres some games that have come up in my head but havent retried to compare (not a vote)

Sands of Time
older Civs
Some older PS1/N64 sports games
Jet Force Gemini
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LiquidOshawott
05/19/2024
07:42 PM
#58
Oh speaking of

drop Sims 1
add GTA3
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Paratroopa1
05/19/2024
07:42 PM
#59
I'm wildly nostalgic about Pokemon Red - it forms the backbone of my still very-enthusiastic Pokemon fandom, I played it for hundreds of hours as a child, I lived and breathed it for two full years - but it suuuuuuuucks.
Leonhart4
05/19/2024
07:47 PM
#60
I'm treating this Rushmore more by perception than my own opinion

But I'll get all aboard the Pokemon sucks train
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ZenOfThunder
05/19/2024
08:17 PM
#61
Luckily this is not a NO POKMON Rushmore
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Leonhart4
05/19/2024
08:22 PM
#62
WhiteLens posted...
GoldenEye 007
Mortal Kombat (1992)
Fatal Fury
Street Fighter

I'm gonna guess that Street Fighter 1 was a novel game in 1987 that people realized was complete ass 4 years later.

Nah, there's a reason why SF2 was the revolutionary one.

Also MGS4 is a great shout.

Drop SF2
Add MGS4
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Yesmar_
05/19/2024
08:46 PM
#63
I can't really think of much whose critical reputation has catered, so I went with games whose controls/QOL issues wouldn't really be tolerated by modern standards/didn't age well.

Super Mario Kart
Resident Evil 1 (OG)
Wizardry
Metroid
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Yesmar_
05/19/2024
08:47 PM
#64
Yesmar_ posted...
I can't really think of much whose critical reputation has catered, so I went with games whose controls/QOL issues wouldn't really be tolerated by modern standards/didn't age well.

Super Mario Kart
Resident Evil 1 (OG)
Wizardry
Metroid

Replace Metroid with Goldeneye 007
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NFUN
05/19/2024
08:48 PM
#65
Skyrim
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Jesse_Custer
05/19/2024
08:59 PM
#66
Goldeneye 007
Mortal Kombat 1992
Super Mario Kart
Elder Scrolls: Oblivion
Leonhart4
05/19/2024
09:19 PM
#67
Wait I just saw swordz voted for Zelda 1 and FFIV

That's like the quintessential swordz post, put that thing in a time capsule
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WazzupGenius00
05/19/2024
09:24 PM
#68
Bioshock Infinite
Fable
Donkey Kong 64
Fallout 3
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FFDragon
05/19/2024
09:30 PM
#69
Metal Gear Solid 4
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy IX
PUBG
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Leonhart4
05/19/2024
10:11 PM
#70
Potential nomination for Juneteenth: Black actors
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Underleveled
05/19/2024
10:14 PM
#71
Leonhart4 posted...
Potential nomination for Juneteenth: Black actors
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darkx
Underleveled
05/19/2024
10:16 PM
#72
I also think we should do black actresses the next day. There's simply no way to narrow it down to four total.
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Underleveled
05/19/2024
10:17 PM
#73
Nominate: Guitar Hero songs
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MZero
05/19/2024
10:24 PM
#74
Super Mario 64
Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow
Final Fantasy VII
Goldeneye 007

I've never played Goldeneye but I hear this a lot
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MacArrowny
05/19/2024
10:24 PM
#75
Underleveled posted...
I also think we should do black actresses the next day. There's simply no way to narrow it down to four total.
lol any topic could be narrowed down to four, even if you expanded it to people who act of all races
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KanzarisKelshen
05/19/2024
10:24 PM
#76
FFDragon posted...
Metal Gear Solid 4
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy IX
PUBG

This is a good list except replace PUBG with DK64 like so:

MGS4
KH1
FF9
DK64

I think this is what I go with. All of these games have had a significant reevaluation with time and their gameplay elements considerably bring them all down.
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Leonhart4
05/19/2024
10:31 PM
#77
Underleveled posted...
I also think we should do black actresses the next day. There's simply no way to narrow it down to four total.

There is a way. It's how Rushmores work.
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skulltrumpets
05/19/2024
10:37 PM
#78
Goldeneye 007
Pokemon RBY

I don't have strong opinions on Goldeneye but this is the one game I always see my peers bring up when this subject is breached. I'm not really in the business for invoking my spicy takes.

Or am I? I feel like hating on RBY could be a spicy take in this community. That game was my life for a few years, but I continued to prefer each subsequent release up to and including BW2. It just doesn't excite me anymore, sorry!
ZenOfThunder
05/19/2024
10:58 PM
#79
MGS4

great call
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AbsolutelyNoOne
05/19/2024
11:01 PM
#80
AbsolutelyNoOne posted...
BioShock Infinite
Metroid 1
Chrono Cross
Mortal Kombat (1992)

yeah actually I agree with that

remove Chrono Cross
add MGS4

(is MGS5 also a pick? that game feels like its rep crashed even harder than MGS4's did but it also wasn't nearly as popular as MGS4 was when that game came out.)
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azuarc
05/19/2024
11:07 PM
#81
Goldeneye: 007
TES4: Oblivion
Donkey Kong 64
Mortal Kombat (original)
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KamikazePotato
05/19/2024
11:18 PM
#82
Goldeneye
Fallout 3
Metroid
Metal Gear Solid 4

Seems good. I could be argued to remove Fallout 3 because its still popular among casuals.

Some weird votes so far though. FF9? Really? The game that took a decade to find it's footing among the fanbase?
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KamikazePotato
05/19/2024
11:22 PM
#83
skulltrumpets posted...
Or am I? I feel like hating on RBY could be a spicy take in this community. That game was my life for a few years, but I continued to prefer each subsequent release up to and including BW2. It just doesn't excite me anymore, sorry!
RBY is a good choice if you're a series fan who keeps up with each new Pokmon game and replays them and ranks them and such. Personally, I'd rather replay RBY than be forced to play Sword and Shield for the first time.
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MacArrowny
05/19/2024
11:32 PM
#84
The biggest criticism people had of FF9 at launch was its loading times and its slow battles. That's also the main criticism today, so I dunno how it "didn't hold up"

At least with FFVII, the FMVs look pretty poor compared to games that came just a couple years later.

KamikazePotato posted...
RBY is a good choice if you're a series fan who keeps up with each new Pokmon game and replays them and ranks them and such. Personally, I'd rather replay RBY than be forced to play Sword and Shield for the first time.
How do people feel about RBY compared to Fire Red and Leaf Green in general?
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sull56ivan2010
05/19/2024
11:39 PM
#85
EatMan posted...
There is no timeline where Mario 64 doesn't hold up
You need to realize Nintendo is not untouchable. The game is deserving of criticism. Mario 64's controls aren't that great and the later half of the game (as with most Mario games) gets lazy and dull. The 64 is not the most ideal system to go back to and the controller plays a factor. If you don't think it does, good for you.

Mario 64
The Simpsons Arcade
Donkey Kong Country
NFL Blitz

Honorable mentions to GTA 1 and 4 and Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time
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Sheep007
05/19/2024
11:45 PM
#86
Bioshock Infinite
Skyrim
Fallout 3
MGS4

Xbox womb launch only getting a single vote is an utter travesty. It's the only video game advert I actually remember.
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KokoroAkechi
05/19/2024
11:50 PM
#87
For Bioshock Infinite's backlash.

I'm a big fan of the game (I did Elizabeth's writeup for the character battle). And i think a big factor was the DLC which I know a lot of people didn't really like. But the base game is still very highly regarded, a problem is that even when it was new the shooting mechanics seemed a little dated and FPS mechanics are a genre that tends to update relatively quickly (fighting games are another). That said I don't really think it belongs here.

That being said I will have 007 on my list and I think most people agree it's less the game and more that it's on the N64 (due to the controls) which hurts it the most. I think the the game was like a PC title it would be nowhere near this list. Perfect Dark is another game in the same vein, but 007 was by far the more popular title.

Golden Eye: 007
Baldur's Gate (and 2 also if you want to lump the old games into 1).
Overwatch
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Now, for Overwatch. I don't know. I'm sure that Overwatch 2 (which is just overwatch 1 with like some changes... so let's count this as the same game okay) is mechnically a good game. But it seems to just be ruined by non gameplay factors, and I think that does count.

Also for BG1/2
I've played a fair share of isometric games and it's pretty insane how much better BG3 is in like playability compared to even something like Divinity Original Sin 2. I'd argue that going from BG3 backwards makes the originals almost unplayable. Not even different like maybe going back from modern REs to like super Tank control originals.

I don't know. I think some of the games being tossed around were not even super well received when they were new.
MZero
05/19/2024
11:57 PM
#88
MacArrowny posted...
How do people feel about RBY compared to Fire Red and Leaf Green in general?

FRLG are infinitely better imo
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KanzarisKelshen
05/20/2024
12:04 AM
#89
KamikazePotato posted...
Goldeneye
Fallout 3
Metroid
Metal Gear Solid 4

Seems good. I could be argued to remove Fallout 3 because its still popular among casuals.

Some weird votes so far though. FF9? Really? The game that took a decade to find it's footing among the fanbase?

Everyone has turned on FF9's gameplay systems. That shit was only just tolerated in the PSX era and in this day and age everyone says 'if this game didn't have 4x turbo it would be actually unplayable due to wasting your time so hard'.
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KanzarisKelshen
05/20/2024
12:08 AM
#90
Honorable mentions to GTA 1 and 4 and Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time

Also of all the spicy takes we might get in this topic I think this is the absolute most fiery one. TMNT 4 is one of the three fundamental cornerstones of its genre (alongside final fight 1 and SoR2). It's hard to say that a game that got what is basically a mission pack just a couple years ago that everyone loved (TMNT Shredder's Revenge) hasn't held up. This isn't a callout or shaming post to be clear, I'm just surprised anyone would pick TMNT4 for this because just about every single Beat-Em Up aficionado considers it part of their Top 5 list for the genre.
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KamikazePotato
05/20/2024
12:08 AM
#91
'Everyone'? Citation needed. People do think it's too slow but you're blowing that aspect extremely out of proportion. FF9's reception among the fanbase has largely gone up over time - it's definitely more well-regarded these days than in the early 2000s, where it was borderline considered a black sheep due to being overshadowed by 7, 8, and 10. I think it's telling that the only people who have voted for it are B8's most vocal haters of the game.
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KamikazePotato
05/20/2024
12:16 AM
#92
In fact:
2003 - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1443-which-final-fantasy-title-is-your-all-time-favorite
2014 - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5727-from-the-last-27-years-which-numbered-final-fantasy-title-is
2017 - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6872-which-final-fantasy-title-is-your-all-time-favorite

You can track FF9's renown within the fanbase. Since 2003, it has only gone up relative to the rest of the series.
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Leonhart4
05/20/2024
12:26 AM
#93
AbsolutelyNoOne posted...
(is MGS5 also a pick? that game feels like its rep crashed even harder than MGS4's did but it also wasn't nearly as popular as MGS4 was when that game came out.)

I feel like the people who loved MGS5 at the time still love it, and the people who didn't like it at the time still don't like it.

Also it's no surprise that the people voting for FFIX don't like it and never liked it. The game is super overrated, but its reputation has only grown over time, which is the exact opposite of what this topic is about.

Again, you can't say a game hasn't aged well when the aspects you're saying haven't aged well are things people criticized when the game came out (like IX's speed).
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squexa
05/20/2024
12:31 AM
#94
Yeah, I'll echo FFIX being a weird choice for this topic. FFVIII and FFX are better examples.
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Leonhart4
05/20/2024
12:33 AM
#95
I'd push back against X. I'd say it's essentially maintained its reputation, to a surprising degree, even.

I guess VIII qualifies since it reviewed well, but it was always polarizing. It'd be like picking MGS2 for this.
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MacArrowny
05/20/2024
12:38 AM
#96
FFVIII was absolutely hated when it came out! There's was a time when Rinoa was the most hated Final Fantasy character. And with more people using the internet now, there's fewer people falling victim to the trap of using Draw, too.

FFX might be a better pick, but I don't think it gets much hate, even nowadays, does it? The only thing that doesn't hold up is the voice acting.
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Leonhart4
05/20/2024
12:42 AM
#97
MacArrowny posted...
The only thing that doesn't hold up is the voice acting.

Also routinely mocked and criticized upon release! Tidus and Yuna in particular.

Like yeah, I suppose the gap has only widened since then, but I feel like Auron was the only voice acting performance that was widely praised.

(Also I didn't comment on this earlier because I forgot and Kanz already covered it, but Turtles in Time is truly a bonkers suggestion, even as an honorable mention)
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KamikazePotato
05/20/2024
12:42 AM
#98
I don't think any of the FF games are a good choice for this topic. Even if a few of them have a somewhat worse reputation now, none of them have dropped to the point where I'd put them on this Rushmore. Probably wouldn't pick any of them even if we extended it to ten candidates. There's just better options.
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Lopen
05/20/2024
12:45 AM
#99
It may shock you but I actually liked FFIX more in the past. I actually beat Ozma. I was never a fan of the story or most of the cast but I used to think the gameplay was satisfying and I liked Vivi.

Playing it these days with those drag ass battles is ROUGH though. I tried replaying it 2017 or 2018 and could not get further than the end of disk 1. Note I had replayed FF7, FF8, FFT and Suikoden 1/2 in the same time period and they all held up better (Suikoden games held up perfectly and were a total blast)

I don't think FFIX hasn't aged-- I just think nostalgia may have counteracted it aging and then some in terms of the fanbase. But that again doesn't mean it hasn't aged it just means its fanbase doesn't care it has.
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Leonhart4
05/20/2024
12:48 AM
#100
Again, IX got blasted for being slow when it came out. It didn't age poorly in that regard. Our tolerance for its slowness in an age of the fast forward button aged poorly, and now you have a version with the fast forward button, so if anything, it's applied an anti-aging salve.
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