Friends Mafia Topic 6 - The One Where The Peaf Army Has Fallen

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Players still hanging out (8):
1. Ben
2. Chang
3. Death
4. Dumey
5. Foolmo
6. IGCD
7. MZero
8. Wallz

Players no longer around:
LD1 Sultan Phoebe & Mike MAFIA Doppelganger and Conditional Godfather
KN1 Blade Paul Stevens TOWN Lawyer
LD2 Corrik Gary TOWN Cop
KD3 - SBell - Pete Becker - TOWN Taunter
KD3 - Peaf - David - TOWN Spirit

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day ends at 6PM ET Tuesday, approximately 23 hours from now.
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MZero posted...
I made it to day 3 without getting shot or claiming
You allowed the cop to get mislynched, and also allowed the doctor to get to -1. Your role is not more important than mine and Corrik's and this is not pro-town play.

Dumey actually led my force claim and the Corrik vote though, so he's way more anti-town in this regard though. Can you at least agree with that?
_foolmo_
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foolm0r0n posted...
You allowed the cop to get mislynched, and also allowed the doctor to get to -1. Your role is not more important than mine and Corrik's and this is not pro-town play.

Dumey actually led my force claim and the Corrik vote though, so he's way more anti-town in this regard though. Can you at least agree with that?

Corrik had one vote when I went to sleep lol how are you going to put that on me? and how are you blaming me for getting you to -1 when I didn't even vote? That was your own fault. Also I considered voting you because I didn't like your death vote but decided not and that's a case where you might have been accidentally hammered if I did vote

and yeah I agree Dumey is more anti-town than me, why wouldn't I?
MZero , to the extreme
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The more I think about it the less sense that post makes. I'm just a double voter, it's not like I could overrule everyone else. Corrik had 5 votes and Dumey had 2, even if I was around and voted Dumey it wouldn't have mattered. And I couldn't have stopped everyone else from getting you to -1
MZero , to the extreme
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I'm just saying you did not play pro-town and you never used your role to help town, and you're not using it to help town today. You are effectively a more confusing vanilla, equivalent to miller.

I do think Dumey's actions and votes are more explicitly anti-town so I'm ok with voting him too. But he does have a bunch of town tells too so my gut feels bad about that.
_foolmo_
he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance
Tbh Foolmo's been making posts that I found hard to follow all game (No offense)
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Part of me still is wondering what has IGCD done agai to deserve not getting attention?
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PunishedBen posted...
Is it broken for scum to have?
Yes imo. 200 words that is posted to town from a dead player, only if the player dies that night. Scum is the only one with an NK in this game. It doesn't make sense at all for scum to have such a specifically conditionally role here (unless Ctes copy/pasted the role from somewhere else)
_foolmo_
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Its almost like you want to get lynched.
A bold playstyle if nothing else.
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htaeD posted...
Part of me still is wondering what has IGCD done agai to deserve not getting attention?
Invincible claim
_foolmo_
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I feel like I missed something
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htaeD posted...
Its almost like you want to get lynched.
A bold playstyle if nothing else.
Is this to me?
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The One With The Votals In The Most Recent Topic
[1]Foolmo - MZero
[1]Dumey - Chang
[1]MZero - Dumey
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foolm0r0n posted...
Dumey actually led my force claim and the Corrik vote though, so he's way more anti-town in this regard though. Can you at least agree with that?

MZero posted...
and yeah I agree Dumey is more anti-town than me, why wouldn't I?

Even I'll agree with that! If scum doesn't award me with Scum MVP after the game, It'll be a robbery . But I am town and unfortunately have an annoying trait of trying to always play to win, so I here I go trying to lead town again, never learning from my mistakes!

htaeD posted...
Part of me still is wondering what has IGCD done agai to deserve not getting attention?

It's not that we can't suspect Miller's. I just think the way he claimed Miller ahead of most of the game checking in, and the end of D1, both put IGCD way behind in lynch priority compared to near everyone else. I'll acknowledge he's done nothing since except be a lightning rod for Foolmo. But honestly that just makes me think IGCD is town even more. Either Foolmo is scum and trying to keep IGCD in the running. Or Foolmo is town and scum is staying away from IGCD because they know it's a hopeless lynch to attach themselves to, and we're just waiting to see if Foolmo ever got more town to jump on it. Both possibilities lead me to think IGCD town!
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foolm0r0n posted...
Yes imo. 200 words that is posted to town from a dead player, only if the player dies that night. Scum is the only one with an NK in this game. It doesn't make sense at all for scum to have such a specifically conditionally role here (unless Ctes copy/pasted the role from somewhere else)

you realize my role is much more broken for scum than death's is right
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PunishedBen posted...
I had a dream about Wallz last night, and it was me riding in a bus on the freeway and all of a sudden there was like a 20 car pileup in front of us, and Wallz was the driver and navigated us all through safely. Maybe that was a premonition. So I'm not about to doubt myself on Wallz now.

That is oddly touching I dont think youre scum but Ill be super annoyed if you are lol

My optimism isnt high for town right now, frankly.
I need to update my signature.
MZero posted...
you realize my role is much more broken for scum than death's is right
Explain how
_foolmo_
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foolm0r0n posted...
Explain how

it lets scum win a day early if protection is dead. For example 2 scum in final 5 is game over if I'm scum doublevoter

assuming 4 scum in 13, we could control the lynch after two mislynches, and that's before accounting for the gun being able to function as a double EK (as it did)

also, if chang/Dumey aren't scum and I am, we could already have won the game. Hammer Dumey, even if NK is blocked it's 4-3, we can hammer with our 4 votes, 3-3 scum wins
MZero , to the extreme
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so basically if I'm scum doublevoter it's MyLo after one mislynch and a blocked NK (albeit because Peaf misfired, but still!) If I'm scum your argument should be that I'm lying about my role. Also scum doublevoter is frowned upon in general although it has been seen, usually with restrictions

but now my previous double EK comment has me wondering if scum had to forego their NK to use the gun, and chang took that opportunity to claim a JK on foolmo
MZero , to the extreme
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it probably has to be 3 scum total if Mzero is scum. 4 with a doublevoter is too much

but mzero is entirely correct that it just moves mylo/lylo up a day earlier than expected

hes not at the top of my list anyway but just for the sake of discussion here
The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal
unfortunately I need to sleep and don't have time to ponder this who's the lynch
MZero , to the extreme
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Dumey
The Artist Formerly Known as Hannyabal
Remember that if you're scum, you can easily make that fake claim no matter what your role is, with no obligation to prove it. You need to defend against that scenario first and foremost.

But yeah if you were actual scum doublevoter, it would be super strong with 4 total. In that case we would assume the gun requires giving up the NK, so it's only a single risky EK. That could all be balanced by doc + JK + 2 confirmable day-action roles (spirit, journaler). The only thing that feels unbalanced there is the serious lack of scanning on town (only cop + taunter as semi-prosty).

If both you and Dumey are scum (which is one of the likeliest pairs in the game rn) then you cannot win the game. You need 1 other player on me to hammer, or 2 more if you're fake claiming doublevoter. You would win if we mislynch today though, which I admit is the best argument for you being town.
_foolmo_
he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance
MZero posted...
but now my previous double EK comment has me wondering if scum had to forego their NK to use the gun, and chang took that opportunity to claim a JK on foolmo
What sucks is this is totally a possibility and we don't have the info to decide.

Chang also killed Sultan, and also Corrik but Dumey and Ben were more pivotal with that. Chang did not force my claim.
_foolmo_
he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance
Here's a fun idea: have two people vote me and I'll vote Dumey alone. When deadline hits it will be tied and I will be proven, at which point you can lynch Dumey. If I'm lying, I just die
MZero , to the extreme
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MZero I think you have to choose between me or Chang. I would love for people other than me to input whether Chang or Foolmo is the more likely scum of the two, but I feel like I remember more people being suspect of Chang. Also Chang is sitting on a vote for me when I said i wouldn't put up a fight and am an easy mislynch since I'm on so many peoples PoEs. If you don't trust me and are town and vote me, I won't blame you. But I'd strongly suspect Chang once I'm gone and everyone knows my alignment for sure. Foolmo for all his disagreements with people does seem to be trying to figure things out still.
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Or really any combination of votes that puts me exactly one vote in the lead over whoever I'm voting

##Unvote
##Vote: Dumey
MZero , to the extreme
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MZero posted...


assuming 4 scum in 13, we could control the lynch after two mislynches, and that's before accounting for the gun being able to function as a double EK (as it did)

You think that's a fair assumption?

PeaceFrog posted...
4 man scum team with this gun given out means scum could win by d2. Nope.


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EDumey posted...
MZero I think you have to choose between me or Chang. I would love for people other than me to input whether Chang or Foolmo is the more likely scum of the two, but I feel like I remember more people being suspect of Chang. Also Chang is sitting on a vote for me when I said i wouldn't put up a fight and am an easy mislynch since I'm on so many peoples PoEs. If you don't trust me and are town and vote me, I won't blame you. But I'd strongly suspect Chang once I'm gone and everyone knows my alignment for sure. Foolmo for all his disagreements with people does seem to be trying to figure things out still.

I don't really think you're scum but I'm trying to be cooperative here and I don't think people are going to go for the protection claims in the end
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I don't think if you're scum, your partner would be willing to wish that plan. But kudos to you for the idea.
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MZero posted...
Here's a fun idea: have two people vote me and I'll vote Dumey alone. When deadline hits it will be tied and I will be proven, at which point you can lynch Dumey. If I'm lying, I just die
love it, let me convince myself of the math and then I'm down
_foolmo_
he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance
I dont. But I do agree Mzero is way less likely to be scum if there are 4 scum. I dont think he's lying about his role, he would just be scum hammerer if scum
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MZero posted...
I don't really think you're scum but I'm trying to be cooperative here and I don't think people are going to go for the protection claims in the end

I understand. Sucks that you'll leave your vote on someone you think is Town. But hopefully the rest of town can come to a conclusion with me.
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PunishedBen posted...
You think that's a fair assumption?

3 man team could lose Day 2 with the gun!

Also we don't know if the gun could even be given out Night 1
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MZero posted...
Here's a fun idea: have two people vote me and I'll vote Dumey alone. When deadline hits it will be tied and I will be proven, at which point you can lynch Dumey. If I'm lying, I just die
Actually that is a good idea because it would mean you're not hammerer if that works
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PunishedBen posted...
I dont. But I do agree Mzero is way less likely to be scum if there are 4 scum. I dont think he's lying about his role, he would just be scum hammerer if scum

I'm almost positive it's 3 scum only with the setup we have. I can't really articulate this though, so you'll just have to take my word on that.
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PunishedBen posted...
Actually that is a good idea because it would mean you're not hammerer if that works

Well I'm one of the votes on MZero so that I can't randomly vote for self preservation, so do it if you guys think scum won't just hammer me.
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I don't want Dumey to be the alternative to Mzero though. Can we do Chang? Lol.

Because even if Mzero proves he has a secret double vote that can tie the lynch, I'd sooner kill him than Dumey
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Ben why are you so pro on Dumey? You don't care that he is the 1 who defended Sultan, and killed Corrik, and force claimed Doctor?
_foolmo_
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I was thinking if we could do a three man tie, but there's no easy way to do that where Chang couldn't just swap vote to me out of self preservation as soon as we enter tie breaker, or right before. Not feasible.
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foolm0r0n posted...
Ben why are you so pro on Dumey? You don't care that he is the 1 who defended Sultan, and killed Corrik, and force claimed Doctor?

Sultan is just my bad read, but do you really think I engage with Blade defending Sultan all the way to the wire the way I did?
Corrik killed himself. All he has to say was "me cop" and we all abandon ship. Peaf even said that Corrik wouldn't have claimed there even if present out of spite. He brought it on himself.
Forcing your claim so we could move on from the traitor talk and get Lopen more focused elsewhere was purely a town play and nothing you say will ever change that. I would do the same thing 100 times over even if I KNEW you were doctor beforehand.
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While doing this math I realized there's actually 3 on Dumey: 2 Mzero + Chang. 2 more scum can hammer a town Dumey and win here.

It hasn't happened yet. We'll see how it goes, but it means one of those 3 is definitely scum.
_foolmo_
he says listen to my story this maybe are last chance
I don't know where the battle line are right now, but IIRC with Chang and Wallz vocally having a preference for me, plus the double vote from MZero as requested to cooperate with us, we are in a situation where there are 4 potential votes on me, and all 5 of the remaining voters would need to vote together on someone like MZero or Chang to overrule that voting block. Can I get opinions from Ben/Foolmo/Death/IGCD if you guys consider MZero or Chang a complete no-go for today?
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foolm0r0n posted...
While doing this math I realized there's actually 3 on Dumey: 2 Mzero + Chang. 2 more scum can hammer a town Dumey and win here.

It hasn't happened yet. We'll see how it goes, but it means one of those 3 is definitely scum.

I was going to give it a little more time to come to conclusions, but yes if I'm not hammered it likely means one of three things.

1. Scum is already on me.
2. There are only 2 remaining scum and hammering me out of the blue wouldn't be MYLO.
3. They aren't confident they can get the guaranteed night kill because protection is still alive, so they have to play it slow.
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foolm0r0n posted...
Ben why are you so pro on Dumey? You don't care that he is the 1 who defended Sultan, and killed Corrik, and force claimed Doctor?
Firstly, those last two points are not points against him because there is plenty of town motivation to kill corrik who I also thought was scum and gave no hints whatsoever at being town power. And same goes for being proactive in solving the game and asking you to claim early when the majority of votes were against you.

For defending Sultan, Sultan didn't even try to fake claim anything which implies he wasn't even trying hard to survive himself. So why would a scummate be going out of their way to shout from the rooftops to not kill him? If anything that's a reason why dumey is town. I'm not sure if they sacrificed him intentionally or just weren't online at the time, but Sultan didn't fight hard so why would his scum mate want to look as bad as possible on the way out? You can say WIFOM, but scum never want to intentionally look bad. They're terrified of that
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And also let me go refind the catches on Sultan spewing Dumey town that I found because I feel like no one acknowledged that
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I think mzero is a good alternative to Dumey for several reasons I laid out previously, and I feel like hes done barely any theorizing or proactive solving, more so just chiming in about setup and responding to suspicion.

If scum team is 3 instead of 4, then the secret double vote also makes sense as a scum power. Mzero hasnt voted for anyone until today iirc. Just seems more like coasting and trying to survive as scum
I need to update my signature.
Ok I think Mzero's plan does work. The only risk is if neither Dumey or Mzero are scum, then the remaining 3 scum could hammer. If Mzero is really town doublevoter then there are definitely 3 more scum. It would be Ben, IGCD, Wallz? That's my only concern here.

Could try an alternate strategy where Mzero and Dumey vote each other, and there's no other votes. Then if:
Dumey scum, Mzero town doublevoter: Scum needs to vote Mzero to save Dumey
Dumey town, Mzero town or scum doublevoter: We're F'd
Dumey town, Mzero regular scum: Scum needs to vote Dumey to avoid a tie which would reveal Mzero's fake claim

First plan seems better, so I can vote Mzero to bring him to 2. Or maybe Death does it since he's more confirmed town?

I'd also love an ideas to deal with a Ben/IGCD/Wallz scum scenario.
_foolmo_
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foolm0r0n posted...
While doing this math I realized there's actually 3 on Dumey: 2 Mzero + Chang. 2 more scum can hammer a town Dumey and win here.

It hasn't happened yet. We'll see how it goes, but it means one of those 3 is definitely scum.
No. Not if it's not MYLO, and also if Mzero is telling the truth then scum can't hammer unless they night kill him, and with protection still out there that's too much of a risk
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