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While she isn't a great physical competitor, great social competitor, or great strategist...I will give Ashley credit. When the chip were down, she has pulled her ass out of the fire THREE times this season. She won a veto when she was the easy consensus boot week one. She made a full court press on Lauren's first HoH to really hammer home nominating Adrian (a move Lauren regretted) over herself. And now this week she managed to flip the vote against the seemingly-invincible Will.
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Feeds spoilers (HoH, noms, veto speculation)

Vince win HoH again and asked Lauren if she'd be okay being a pawn. She shut that down and said it's he did that, things would be... different. And she brought up Leah from last year not touching the block until F7 and then being evicted. Vince tried to use puppy dog eyes and constant whining to get her to acquiesce, but that just got her leery of him. So Vinny put up Kelley, Ava, and Keanu instead. Morgan is conspiring with Ashley to let Ashley win Veto, use it on Ava, and try to force Vince to put Lauren up anyway. Stupid idea since that will get Morgan put up instead for conspiring in such a plot, and it would be pretty obvious to Vince. Lauren isn't going for Morgan anywhere near as hard as Morgan is for Lauren. It's a jealousy thing. Lauren only wants Morgan gone because Morgan is obsessed with Lauren.
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More BB feeds (I tried to cut this down but had a lot to say)

Morgan and Keanu are finally coming around to the idea that Vince has an F2 with Lauren and that's why he didn't put her up. YOU THINK? The only one who's picked up on other deals Vince has is Lauren - but he keeps protecting her, so she believes she's his real F2 and he's playing the others (she *is* his real F2 since he thinks he can beat her). She's likely the only player left smart enough to recognize how his actions speak louder than words. Everybody else is blinded by whatever filth comes out of Vince's mouth, even as he puts them on the block. Lauren would treat that as betrayal.

Also Zingbot caused a stir by calling Vince a cheater. Keanu made jokes about that, which is why Vinny put him up. Well, that and Lauren (smartly) refusing to be a pawn, and pulling a reverse guilt-trip on Vince, the king of guilt-trips. She didn't drink his Kool-Aid. Meanwhile, the feed watchers are loving the cinematic romcom stuff coming from the Vince/Morgan show, which is about the only thing they're appreciating right now. They REALLY want Morgan to call a house meeting and call Vince out. I don't think she's gonna do that, though. She refuses to believe that Vince is using her.

The fact that Vince, an unemployed 34 y/o living with his parents, can be so high-maintenance and entitled is absurd to me. He thinks he'd beat anyone in the end, but everybody except Ava, Kelley, or Keanu - ironically his three noms - beats him (Ava could win with the right argument). If Vince acts entitled and/or says he's unemployed, he needs the money... yeah, the jury would be turned off by that. If it's Vince and Lauren F2, Lauren can say she never touched the block and didn't make waves since everybody else was more concerned with each other. That may be enough for her to win against any of these schmucks. Yes, even Ashley, who needs to make a move to prove that she's a player. Lauren has evidence that she's played it safe by choice. And they all like her! Lauren could Natalie White this thing - convincing Vince that she's his goat, when she knew he was hers all along. It's an ending that would fit this season tbh.

Veto spoilers

Morgan won Veto and she's been trying to blackmail Vince into nominating Lauren. It's unclear if Vince will actually do that or put Ashley up - he isn't committing in either direction to anyone. But the more they wear on him, the more he's refusing to let Morgan and Keanu push him into nominating someone he trusts. The conversations keep repeating themselves because these people are insane (particularly Vince, Keanu, Kelley, and Morgan), but it's so amusing (I can only imagine how Lauren, Ava, and Ashley feel - ready to be done with these exhausting people). Especially the part where the feed watchers are ALSO going insane as a result of watching these four. Morgan said she's not planning to use it as of now because Ashley is in danger but she'll probably change her mind come morning and try to get Vince on board again. And we'll have a rerun... (you can see why the feedstesr are losing their minds... and some of them are doing other things. as they should, but those who refuse to give up their addiction amuse me greatly)
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at this point whenever i check the feeds topic on reddit i pretty much nope right back out because it's always something about vince and morgan having a fucking bizarre relationship, glad that zingbot roasted them on it because that shit's going on national tv
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Update to BB feeds

Morgan convinced Vince to put Lauren up, and Keanu is happy about this. And now Vince is scared to tell Lauren this, since it means the end of an F2 deal that both parties had intended on keeping. Dingus, they want Lauren GONE, that's why they want her up! Her having not touched the block yet is just an excuse, and they're lying that they won't vote her out. She could win the BlockBuster and then HoH in the DE, and she'll just put up Vince and Morgan and not care which of them goes to jury. Or she could say "Vince, if you do that, our F2 deal is over. You will become my enemy in this game. Do you want that?" She's the only one with enough spine to lay it out for him. Vince is completely spineless, and this has led him to burn multiple bridges this week. If he gets cold feet, Morgan and Keanu hate him, but if he nominates Ashley instead, then there's a huge fight and things are suddenly fun again. But if he does it, he loses Lauren, and there's a very good chance she brings him down with her by outing the "fake" F2. This would be painful to watch, and it looks bad for Vince to needlessly burn someone he was loyal to. He should have just shut that down and said he can't do that.

I REALLY hope for the "fun" option, because this season needs it. But I fear it'll be the "painful" option...
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Veto Ceremony Spoilers:

I...I just...on the one hand, I appreciate Vince being an absolute mess of a human being, and having ZERO spine when it comes to any kind of confrontation whatsoever. On the other hand though, the fact that such a spineless whiner continues to obtain power and control in this game has made things unbelievably frustrating. Every week relies on him having to work against his best interests to save the season from becoming boring, and while he DOES, it sucks that so much of the season hinges on a knife's edge between good and terrible, and it's all because of him.

Meanwhile, I'm sorry, but Lauren really needs to go. She's effectively a macguffin in the Vince/Morgan plot, but otherwise she has so many people going to bat for her despite somehow managing to be a worse player than Vince (while ALSO being in an amazing position for so long for some unknown reason). She has won power three times and all three times has allowed her meekness and wishywashiness to weaken her spot tremendously. And the crazy thing is that both she and Vince could have locked this game down WEEKS ago if not for the cavalcade of poor HoHs to start the season.

Gotta give credit to Morgan. Even if it's bitterness and jealousy, the girl has really stepped it up in Rachel's absence, and she harangued and cajoled Vince for hours on end and effectively commandeered his HoH to get the outcome she wanted.
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I'm not even going to follow this season anymore. It's fine.

You articulated why. Vince is an idiot to put himself in this situation at all. Lauren feels betrayed but low on options. And it sucks because Vince sucks. It's painful to follow along watching these people, and yes, that even includes Lauren. (Keanu apparently thinks she's a succubus, but as somebody with experience with such a fiend, that's definitely not the case. She's too unbothered by how guys get charmed by her for it to be intentional. She doesn't enjoy it at all.)

Morgan also sucks but is the only one who seems to have any clue what she's doing. She doesn't seem to get that it's out of jealousy, though.
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Amusing little bit from the feeds...

Lauren absolutely mindfucking Vin Weasel
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e37f65c6.jpg

And again:
Lauren: Im gonna get a beer
Vince: Where are the beers?
Lauren: I still have some from my HOH
Vince: I want one
Lauren: You really think Id share a beer with someone who just put me on the block?
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I feel like I'm watching the season vicariously through these posts, even though I've never seen a single second of footage.

I hope Lauren doesn't go! It sounds like they totally want her gone and "it's just as a pawn" was never true. She's probably gone...
I stopped watching after the Jimmy boot but my guess is that the sole way this season could possibly redeem itself by now is with a miraculous Keanu win.
darkx
by the way justin since you mentioned spoilers in your other topic, that reminds me, i have you beat

because

the admin of the unspoiled edgic board spoiled me on seasons 49 and 50 of survivor



i wish i was joking and i know this sounds hard to believe but i'm not even able to participate in edgic for 49 or 50 anymore due to being told spoilers against my will
oh my god dels i'm so sorry

i hope they get their admin privileges revoked
we're all buds ~jc~
<DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs
That reminds me, I did mean to ask if 48 was ever spoiled since r/edgic was so off on it. They haven't been that wrong since 43, which I think was unspoiled.
""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47
i doubt it and i don't even know if i want that even if i was really mad. but it's already a small enough community and i don't think there's anyone else who'd step up. he apologized to me finally (after giving me spoilers in *two* seperate messages days apart!). he's just really scatterbrained in general i've noticed, and so apparently he was really frazzled by accidentally reading the spoilers and so he somehow thought i was also spoiled even though i had DM'd him an unrelated question. i dunno, it was really crazy, i'll post the convo here a year from now because it's insane.
Mewtwo59 posted...
That reminds me, I did mean to ask if 48 was ever spoiled since r/edgic was so off on it. They haven't been that wrong since 43, which I think was unspoiled.

48 wasn't spoiled no.
AFAIK the only season-encompassing spoiler so far in the New Era (like, full-on boot list type stuff, not minor spoilers or one or two boots here and there) was Rome spoiling the rest of the 47 boot order in his post-exit press. Surprise surprise.
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Mewtwo59 posted...
That reminds me, I did mean to ask if 48 was ever spoiled since r/edgic was so off on it. They haven't been that wrong since 43, which I think was unspoiled.
I knew they were wrong about 43 and I was unspoiled. I had Cassidy drawing dead since F8 and knew it was Jesse against Gabler at fire after F7 - one is 4th, the other wins the game. I thought it was pretty apparent that those two guys were the ones we were supposed to be rooting for. Cassidy hardly had any content - even less than the prior winner they kept comparing her to. (Erica)

Underleveled posted...
AFAIK the only season-encompassing spoiler so far in the New Era (like, full-on boot list type stuff, not minor spoilers or one or two boots here and there) was Rome spoiling the rest of the 47 boot order in his post-exit press. Surprise surprise.
I'm pretty sure he was wrong about one person, but he was right about everything else. He is banned from returning to the show and the cast hates his guts. And he's clueless as to why he has no friends.

Dels posted...
the admin of the unspoiled edgic board spoiled me on seasons 49 and 50 of survivor
That freaking sucks. I'm so sorry somebody did that... especially someone who shouldn't be accessing spoilers. Wish it was easy to erase that from your mind!

Back to Big Brother...

Underleveled posted...
I stopped watching after the Jimmy boot but my guess is that the sole way this season could possibly redeem itself by now is with a miraculous Keanu win.
No, that's not quite it. And frankly, I don't see that happening. The only person he beats is Kelley.

Dels posted...
I feel like I'm watching the season vicariously through these posts, even though I've never seen a single second of footage.

I hope Lauren doesn't go! It sounds like they totally want her gone and "it's just as a pawn" was never true. She's probably gone...
I think you can see why I find her adorkable. That one post explains why I liked her since the start. She's a lot smarter than she seems and everybody loves her because she's so nice. Reasons she's a big jury threat that only Morgan seems to notice, but Morgan doesn't want to betray Vince and vote out Lauren. It seems like Lauren is fine as of now since Morgan and Ashley are sick of Kelley, but things change like the wind with this bunch.

Again, this cast is paranoid in large part due to how crazy Vince, Keanu, Kelley, and Morgan are. How Ava is one of the least crazy people here is rather inexplicable. (She still has no idea what is going on, however, and can only win against Kelley or Keanu, and maybe Vince now that he's blown up his game and thrown away the jury vote he worked so hard to even get to jury.)
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
I think you can see why I find her adorkable. That one post explains why I liked her since the start. She's a lot smarter than she seems and everybody loves her because she's so nice. Reasons she's a big jury threat that only Morgan seems to notice, but Morgan doesn't want to betray Vince and vote out Lauren. It seems like Lauren is fine as of now since Morgan and Ashley are sick of Kelley, but things change like the wind with this bunch.

Again, this cast is paranoid in large part due to how crazy Vince, Keanu, Kelley, and Morgan are. How Ava is one of the least crazy people here is rather inexplicable. (She still has no idea what is going on, however, and can only win against Kelley or Keanu, and maybe Vince now that he's blown up his game and thrown away the jury vote he worked so hard to even get to jury.)

As someone else who is only following the season through these posts, you're really telling me Morgan mentally beat down Vince for days to get him to nominate Lauren, and now she's getting cold feet in actually pulling the trigger and voting her out? And she's the best player left? This is starting to sound like the Gabon of Big Brother.
""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47
I mean, in order for Morgan to get Vince to put up Lauren she would have had to have at least a passable argument to justify why she would want her put up but not to go home. Maybe she started to actually believe it herself.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxkdr0uNc91qlu5jao1_r1_400.gif
Mewtwo59 posted...
As someone else who is only following the season through these posts, you're really telling me Morgan mentally beat down Vince for days to get him to nominate Lauren, and now she's getting cold feet in actually pulling the trigger and voting her out? And she's the best player left? This is starting to sound like the Gabon of Big Brother.
It's more like a Nicaragua. A lot of people who are quite bad at the game, but in more of an "WTF?" way than an entertaining way. The best player left is either Lauren or Morgan, both of whom are incredibly flawed players, and then there's Ashley, who hasn't won anything but gets herself out of jams without people realizing (this is not how you win - you need to be visible enough). Vince, Ava, Keanu, and Kelley have no idea what game they're playing. I have no idea why Morgan and Ashley won't vote Lauren out... but if Keanu wins BlockBuster, they might, and Keanu would join them. They want Kelley gone more because Kelley is... a freak. She hides bug carcasses around the house (including in people's stuff) for her own amusement, interrupts the guys' pool games for no reason, and had no idea the live feeds had audio of everything they were saying until week 8.

You also have to consider that Morgan and Vince are up each other's butts. Quite literally, as Zingbot accused. She's Vince's new girlfriend, since Kelsey won't be there for him when he gets out. So she doesn't want to cross him because she likes him too much. The two of them are both so exhausting that they deserve each other. Morgan can't keep secrets - literally everything someone says, she retells - and gaslit Vince into nominating his other F2 through WEEKS of insisting he do, and her winning Veto this week was the leverage she needed to finally do it. She is jealous and bitter and can't admit that. She only wanted Lauren on the block because she hadn't been up yet, Meanwhile, Vin Weasel is a spineless twit, who played all his allies against each other so they'd take the shots he's too cowardly to take himself. Then he blames hem for anything that goes wrong and can't take any responsibility himself. He is an utter void of charisma, which speaks to why he's unemployed and lives with his parents at 34 y/o, and somehow he emotionally guilts people into doing things he wants.

Lauren, however, has stopped falling for it (see above), but is still trying to work with him due to a sheer lack of other options (Morgan and Keanu both pushed hard for her to go up, Ashley is closer to Morgan than Lauren, Ava has only won one comp and it was by accident, and Kelley is unpredictable and untrustworthy, and ALSO can't keep secrets). It could be a 2-2 tie if it's Lauren/Keanu, and Lauren is putting in WORK to conVince Vince to evict Keanu there (I think he would since he feels guilty about letting Morgan take over his HoH). If it's Lauren/Kelley, Ashley just told Kelley to her face that she's voting to evict her, and I think it'd be 3-1 with only Keanu voting to evict Lauren. Ava's only two allies are Lauren and Kelley - and she's tighter with Lauren. If it's Kelley/Keanu, it's probably also 2-2, and Vince has to decide between two of his former F2s that he betrayed multiple times. Production probably wants Lauren to win BlockBuster because that would make for the most epic fallout. Also she's the only nominee who's actually making an effort.
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I'm not watching, just following the updates, but...

*happy dance*
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so there was some *other* challenge and she won so she's safe???? nice
that was the least spicy option and the most disappointing because it means vince's odds of going home in the double go down

vince can go
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Yeah, the Blockbuster. That was new last year, with there being 3 nominees and one of them winning safety on eviction night. This was the last one of the season.

Lauren won it in a rout over Kelley and Keanu. And in that 2-2 tie, Vince evicted Kelley.

(These are in the episode so we don't need spoiler tags. Those are used for things that have been on feeds but not in aired episodes yet. They are also used for any international seasons or things only on streaming.)
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oh yeah i was wondering 'cause i looked at the feed updates site and it showed that from "5:42pm" and i was wondering how feeds showed a challenge earlier today but in retrospect i see it meant PST, not EST, so they're just getting it from the episode airing lmao
i desperately want ava to win hoh here

it won't happen but

it's what the world needs
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<DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs
god damnit
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Chaeix posted...
that was the least spicy option and the most disappointing because it means vince's odds of going home in the double go down

vince can go
I get the impression Lauren is playing him hard. She'll put up Morgan and Ashley if she's HoH, with Keanu as renom. But if Vince tries to control her... there's a chance she'll return the favor. My guess is she wants to force his loyalty to her by getting rid of Morgan first. And if Morgan goes, Vince has no choice but to be Lauren's puppy. He's burned everybody and she's the only one pretending to forgive him. She might not have much choice without Kelley there, though.

Either way, Vince lost the game this week. I see no way for him to win with the way he's set himself up.
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Chaeix posted...
god damnit
Ugh, literal worst case scenario. Sucks.
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So you're saying Keanu may have a chance even though the only person he can beat just got voted out?
""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47
i think morgan has to nominate keanu because if he's not up there and wins veto, she'd have to put ashley or vince up
we're all buds ~jc~
<DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs
ava 4 veto
we're all buds ~jc~
<DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs
that was such an iconic answer holy shit
we're all buds ~jc~
<DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs
kelley talking to julie vs lauren talking to julie is night and day

lauren's so goddamn boring
we're all buds ~jc~
<DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs
I'm officially over this season. I don't even care to follow along anymore. Nobody left to root for except Ava, who can't win anything and, since she's had zero clue what's really been going on around her, only beats Keanu at the end (because he's antagonistic and such a slob).

I hate Morgan and Vince, I don't like Ashley, and Keanu has been such a roller coaster between rooting for him and hating him. (I'm currently hating him. His attitude, mainly.)
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Why dont you like Ashley? Shes positioned herself extremely well the entire season and isnt overtly obnoxious by any means
we're all buds ~jc~
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Chaeix posted...
Why dont you like Ashley? Shes positioned herself extremely well the entire season and isnt overtly obnoxious by any means
I just don't really vibe with her for some reason. I think it's the way she carries herself - an air of pretentiousness because she's a lawyer that doesn't mesh well with the rest of her personality. It's not like, say, Xavier, who I liked because he didn't have that air about him despite also being a lawyer.

(Ashley also said Lauren is fake, which is untrue, and you know me. But I didn't vibe with Ashley before that, either.)
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At this point, as long as Vince doesn't fluke his way to a victory somehow, I will be happy with whomever wins the season. Morgan has been playing HARD (and has carried the season these last two weeks after Rachel's bullshit elimination), Ashley has been playing a really solid strategic game, Ava would be the fun kind of a WTF winner if she makes the end, and Keanu comping out despite failing at EVERY other aspect of the show would be amusing since he's charming in his doofusness.
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As much as I would adore a Keanu win I would definitely have to place an asterisk next to it. He's comped out the entire way but at the same time, I don't really like how players have double the opportunity to comp out if they're huge threats this season. In any other season he would have been completely toasted by now.
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Chaeix posted...
As much as I would adore a Keanu win I would definitely have to place an asterisk next to it. He's comped out the entire way but at the same time, I don't really like how players have double the opportunity to comp out if they're huge threats this season. In any other season he would have been completely toasted by now.

Oh, I definitely think that's bad. But I'm putting him up against Cameron or Jag from a couple seasons ago, and I at least find Keanu's story and character amusing.
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The only way I would be happy with a Vince win is if he sacked up and took Morgan out directly (ie by putting her up as HoH, not just being the vote)
we're all buds ~jc~
<DeathChicken> you are my hero for being the first person to cite National Geographic in Mercs
New HoH is...

Vincenzo
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Chaeix posted...
Why dont you like Ashley? Shes positioned herself extremely well the entire season and isnt overtly obnoxious by any means
She was definitely obnoxious while I was watching. I think a lot of that was Rachel bringing out the worst in her, which, I mean, Rachel brings out the worst in literally everybody she's ever on a season with, but with Ashley it was particularly infuriating to me because it's like "Okay, this person who tanked her social game week 1 over a freaking shower is now laughing like a hyena over others' misfortune, I hate her."

Anyway, this has gotta be the messiest final five in BB history, right? I'm predicting the winner is Morgan based solely on the fact that of the five she probably has the most solid head on her shoulders but I have no idea what the dynamics of the house look like right now. Maybe it comes down to Morgan and Vince and Vince gets absolutely trashed by the jury?
darkx
Okay this made me well up a bit:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f840019e.jpg
darkx
Aww. They were the only Big Brother team on TAR that I actually liked.
""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47
Mewtwo59 posted...
Aww. They were the only Big Brother team on TAR that I actually liked.
Jess and Cody?
darkx
They're handling it very maturely. At least they admit they still like each other, it's just not working out because of where they both are in life. Happens.

I hope the fandom is giving them the space they desire instead of sending ridiculous threats to Claire for "not wanting to make babies" (or whatever groundless idea came to their head), but I know this fandom well enough that they're probably doing shit like that. Sigh...

Chaeix posted...
The only way I would be happy with a Vince win is if he sacked up and took Morgan out directly (ie by putting her up as HoH, not just being the vote)
Implied feeds spoilers here (including HoH and Veto winner), so spoiler tagging

If anyone except Morgan wins F4 HoH, it could be "the vote" and it'd have the same impact if Vince wins Veto and publicly evicts his new girlfriend since she's the only one who'd beat him. Vince then wins the season unless Ashley or Ava (whichever is left) somehow wins the final HoH. It could also be that Morgan wins F4 HoH but Vinny wins F3 HoH, and he chooses to take Ava to F2 with him so he can beat her (and that's closer than some people in the house realize). Vince and Morgan are likely eyeing Ava as F3 fodder. She can't win a comp unless it's by accident.
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Just gonna finish out this topic at this point, since we have Survivor starting in an hour (and the F5 round for Big Brother afterwards).
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Ok
darkx
Rachel sucks
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