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It does suck that SO has been so bad for so long. SO2 HD was a blessing.

Only other modern entry is uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

......Zenless???
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NBIceman posted...
To the point that it's one of the main reasons for playing them?
Yes absolutely
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NBIceman posted...
To the point that it's one of the main reasons for playing them?
100% yeah
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NBIceman posted...
I... Don't think most Tales fans would say that the combat is one of the more consistently good aspects of the series. I certainly wouldn't.

well that would be news to me! As a ARPG the gameplay has been the primary selling point (story generally is not as terrible as people say even if it generally has a ex machina plot point) apart from that I guess you have some funny skits/party interaction?

UshiromiyaEva posted...
Combat is important, but Graces isn't super popular despite running laps on that front for a reason.

timing is generally the reason the Graces/Xillia duo do not take off (being locked into PS3 late gen too) Meanwhile Symphonia/Berseria/Vesperia/Arise all had great timing for releases which helped with them.

I guess you could counter with Abyss but PS2 was always way more popular than PS3.

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Berseria did not have great timing. It was a follow-up to a bad game and released at the end of a generation. It managed to do semi-okay purely through word of mouth.
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I'd say the main points for Tales games are: Skits and Gameplay. Most of the stories are pretty similar. Some of them have some decent humor.
KamikazePotato posted...
Berseria did not have great timing. It was a follow-up to a bad game and released at the end of a generation. It managed to do semi-okay purely through word of mouth.

wait it was a PS4 game in 2017 when the genre was starting to pick up with FFXV/P5/Automata etc I am confused
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Berseria did have terrible sales compared to Zestiria because people hated that game.
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Berseria is a PS3 game with a PS4 version. Arise is technically the only Tales game released since the PS360 era built for hardware past that.

But the main thing is yeah, Zestiria got a ton of marketing and a big push and was a disaster. Berseria ended up lower budget, and without much promotion. I didn't even buy Berseria myself for over a year because of Zestiria.
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I skipped Zestiria, but got Berseria on release. But I'm a HUGE Tales fan who's played most of them. Including Destiny, Eternia (Destiny II in the US), and Legendia. Eventually got Zestiria anyway. What a disappointment that was!

I think Graces F had a few problems. The story isn't just 'meh', it's a bit cheesy. I like the cheese, so it's definitely one I like more than most, but I get why it's not for everyone. (I prefer it to Vesperia, which is everyone's darling, and that one didn't quite click with me, even if I did enjoy it)
Oh ok that makes more sense, I forgot there were quite a few games from that era that were PS3 to PS4 so that threw me off (especially since outside Japan they didnt get a PS3 version)

that said for the most part Berserias sales have recovered enough to get to 2.5 million? It could have been word of mouth or just that games in general are accessible with PC releases too. Dont think its considered a failure now
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ElizeLutus posted...
(I prefer it to Vesperia, which is everyone's darling, and that one didn't quite click with me, even if I did enjoy it)
Vesperia is a game that I think people would like a lot less if they went back to it. Greatly benefited from being the first HD game + Troy Baker as Yuri Lowell.
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Replay value isn't usually a major factor for me with JRPGs.
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LiquidOshawott posted...
that said for the most part Berserias sales have recovered enough to get to 2.5 million? It could have been word of mouth or just that games in general are accessible with PC releases too. Dont think its considered a failure now
Didn't know it reached 2.5 million. That's actually a lot higher than it was last time I checked, good long-term sales legs for a JRPG. Although I think it's also been heavily discounted repeatedly so those aren't full retail price sales.
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Also you got a remember, since it's not obvious on it'a face, that Berseria is a prequel to Zestiria. So you have lower budget, low marketing, following up on trash, and oh hey, it's the same SETTING as that trash.

LiquidOshawott posted...
that said for the most part Berserias sales have recovered enough to get to 2.5 million? It could have been word of mouth or just that games in general are accessible with PC releases too. Dont think its considered a failure now

Sales have improved but that game is regularly below $12, even more regularly below $6. The game made up sales by being dropped to pennies. I don't know how much actual money it's made.

Funnily enough, Zestiria is typically more expensive than Berseria during sales (or at least that used to be the case). I wonder how that works for them lol.
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
Sales have improved but that game is regularly below $12, even more regularly below $6. The game made up sales by being dropped to pennies. I don't know how much actual money it's made.

Funnily enough, Zestiria is typically more expensive than Berseria during sales (or at least that used to be the case). I wonder how that works for them lol.
They probably have some data showing that Berseria's deep discounts will incentive people on the fence to go "sure, I'll bite" while there's not much they can do to make people buy Zesteria. I could be wrong though.
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I think I bought a digital copy of Zestiria for $10.00, just so I wouldn't have to use the Disc.
Abyss is commonly regarded as the best one, followed by Berseria.

Don't play Zestiria ever, it's painful.
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Zesty has been on sale for 5 too, just not in a little while on Steam (since August 2024)
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If Abyss was more modern I don't think it would even be questionable. Almost every quibble I have with it is due to it's age. That's why Abyss getting a glow up, even just an HD re-release with a QoL sweep is so conveted.

I think the only reason it hasn't gotten that new release is that they know and are working on something more substantial, or....the worst case scenario and they lost the source code.

I don't NEED a remake. I would like one but I would be totally fine with it getting touched up.
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Damn, looks like I was wrong about sales, whoops.

https://www.gematsu.com/2021/03/tales-of-series-best-selling-games-announced-worldwide-japan-asia-north-america-and-europe

Zestiria actually didn't sell that much. Also Berseria seemingly doubling its sales in the second half of its life is pretty good.

And yeah Zestiria frequently goes on sale for $5.
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We can thank word of mouth for both bringing Berseria's tail up and crushing Zestiria's into the dirt.
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Yeah I was kinda confused because Arise is the best selling game of the series (3 million)

wondering if part of me liking it so much was I played it right when life was starting to straighten back out for me
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I think Arise is a good game overall. The first half is quite good, and would place it into the upper tier of Tales games. But the last section sucks. The second half gets less interesting, and the last 10 hours at least is bad. Massive expedition dump, all the skits at once, and a horrible final dungeon that's even longer and more boring than Berseria's.
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Yep, it really does crater. That's another reason I don't quite buy the Awakening comp, since Awakening was actually good and revitalized the franchise, whereas Tales of... might be dead?
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Symphonia and Abyss still haven't been topped. Berseria came close but they really dropped the ball on the story at the end and the combat is too repetitive. Probably the least consistent series I've ever played but I can't stop myself.
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Berseria is my favorite since Symphonia but there are a few parts that are slogs. Graces f was pretty good overall but I can't tell you of anything outside of the combat that has stuck with me.
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Arise commits the mortal sin of boss fights not actually applying any of the cool stuff you can normally do with the combo system so that was an immediate strike for me. (Xillia 1 does the same thing)

Enemies get ludicrously tanky late game too to the point that the "best" way to handle fights is just wholesale abusing Alphen's character mechanic which also ended up being really boring. Story is a disaster big picture but that first half-ish does have a lot of really excellent stuff going on.

Bottom tier Tales for me for all of the above plus the skits being pretty handily the worst. Later game especially the skits literally just recap the most recent cutscenes, but even before then the ones that add legitimate character depth or even humor are quite sparse.
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I thought Berseria was great with skits.

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Between having actual dungeon design, a reasonably good cast and story, not constantly sending you back to older locations to the point its annoying, and just in general not collapsing in some way or another in the last third like most of these, Symphonia still has a strong argument for being the best.

you know, as long as you dont actually consider the combat or are too incompetent to actually play any of these games properly regardless.
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Vesperia is still my favorite. Playing the DE version made me love it even more. I also think it has the best soundtrack in the series. I also love Symphonia, Abyss, Graces F, and Xillia 2

Least favorites are Legendia, Symphonia 2, and Zestiria
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I will say, one really annoying thing about Abyss is (Im putting this in a spoiler just in case but its extremely vague and may even be beneficial to know going in ) the side quest to obtain one party members best move has an absurdly small window of availability (like I think it may be as small as one cutscene to the next) and is located in a town that you have absolutely no business being in at that point of the game and was discovered randomly by a player going to the wrong town by accident.
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I feel like absurdly missable sidequests are a tales staple. They're abundant in vesperia, and there were quite a few in graces where I was like "why is this not part of the main story this is extremely good character development!"

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It's a bigger problem in Abyss though because unlike most Tales games there is also some extremely important character story content tied behind some of the more easily missable ones that should have just been straight up main story events.

My opinion of one character in particular changed drastically between the casual flying through first playthrough and the 100% completion playthrough years later.

EDIT: lol I don't know how I just didn't read the last chunk of that post calling out Graces. Yeah it's a problem there too, but I don't think it's as severe. There's nobody in Graces who I would do a completely 180 on after seeing their missable sidequests content.
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UshiromiyaEva posted...
It's a bigger problem in Abyss though because unlike most Tales games there is also some extremely important character story content tied behind some of the more easily missable ones that should have just been straight up main story events.

My opinion of one character in particular changed drastically between the casual flying through first playthrough and the 100% completion playthrough years later.

EDIT: lol I don't know how I just didn't read the last chunk of that post calling out Graces. Yeah it's a problem there too, but I don't think it's as severe. There's nobody in Graces who I would do a completely 180 on after seeing their missable sidequests content.
The one that jumps to mind is when asbel and hubert learn about their father's diary and they both come to terms with it. I feel like that could've been worked into the story and helped kick off hubert turning over a new leaf with how he felt about it.
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