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PeaceFrog posted...
Yeah they were.

Why does everyone think this? Him getting shot doesn't magically prove people he lied to about BP were innocent. He could have been strongarmed, poisoned or hell they might just have not believed the BP lie

~C~ FD
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ctesjbuvf posted...
FD what's your track record of flavor metaing?

His answers for the BP thing were good btw

No i don't think they were. He claimed he was trying to avoid being shot and somehow if he WAS shot it would prove everyone he ever talked to was innocent?

It's absolutely backwards to how I would play a role like town neighborizer.
~C~ FD
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PeaceFrog posted...
If it was literally anyone other than you two i might be tempted.

But fucking hell. We spent 90% of the last 47 hours talking about the 3 unscanned vanillas.

I'm really temped tbh. The flavor of Buddy as neighborizer has never sat well, and the walking back of BP combined with choosing to supposedly lie about BP in the neighbor chats themselves?

Fuck it

##Unvote
##Vote: Ben
~C~ FD
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Meow1000 posted...
Who would ever scan Kirby

Why the hell are we even discussing Kirby

Ulti brought him up. To "trap" peaf somehow
~C~ FD
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IGCD hasn't posted in half an hour. Hope he set an alarm or he's going to have to push his sidequest back again.

Heck, if we keep the vote tied then he'll actually have to make a choice for himself this game.
~C~ FD
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Meow1000 posted...
Well I was about to say I'd rather vote Ben than Peaf but does scum Ben actually make that post

Does chaos incarnate 3P ben? <_<

It's an odd way to chime in regardless.
~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...
The same scum that had no reason to send anyone besides Wallz to kill someone?

By the phrasing I still think this interpretation is wrong. I think Wallz only needed to send the Frame and anyone else could send the kill for it to still work.

But clearly he did send the kill so it's a moot point. Or blade actually did prevent a kill and MI was targeted n1, hell if i know.
~C~ FD
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PeaceFrog posted...
... if Kirby is scum then he could just be lying about jk to have bussed wallz to distract from Corrik vs Blade.

He's jailed scum once and vanilla twice so there's no way to know for sure at this point, but I'm not sure wallz gets lynched without Kirby's claim so I'm still inclined to believe him.
~C~ FD
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Meow1000 posted...
FD's role in the game I remember could not kill town.

He was forced to Lawyer onto other scum.

I have vague memories of being a scum lawyer, but I don't remember how that game ended. Was that classical music?
~C~ FD
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PeaceFrog posted...
which wouldn't happen if we simply ride the lazy river to Corrik Beach.

I don't think that was ever in danger. There were several of us looking outside of the presumptive lynch every day. Only to be paradoxically accused of deflecting when we do, and yet accused of allowing the day to stagnate when we don't. It's a disgusting Catch 22
~C~ FD
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Meow1000 posted...
He proved he could move votes.

He did not prove he could actually kill them.

When he forced the votes into a majority the day ended. How is that functionally different than killing? It might as well be a day vig that ends the day when it's used.
~C~ FD
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changmas posted...
Red i would like to know if your flavor is Britta though

Can't be, red never lived in New York
~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...
Oh
In that case I have no idea what FD is saying

?
He just told you what I was saying and I agreed with him.

If I had to make a list of players I would want to NK as scum you would be damn near the top and Ulti would be just off the bottom which is why I thought it felt weird for IGCD to put Ulti on his list of 4 town players scum should fear. No major offense to you Ulti, you just exude broken clock syndrome when you happen to be right about someone. The fact that you will regularly vote for literally everyone but yourself probably doesn't help.
~C~ FD
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changmas posted...
Shoot the guilty scan obviously

Unless it's Ben because he might actually be BP if he scans guilty.
~C~ FD
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Kirby321 posted...
No, IGCD meant "these are town players you don't want to be alive at endgame if you're scum"

FD is basically shading Ulti here. Which is fair because Ulti also says his endgame is bad

Right on both counts.
~C~ FD
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
Group 1
Red
Ulti
Blade
MI

These are the players too good to keep alive if you're scum because you will lose.

did you...misspell "Death"?
~C~ FD
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Leafeon13N posted...
Wait what i just got done working 6 days in a row.

I'm not at Disneyland i try to avoid it when I'm town I've gotten superstition.

After 3-4 days off at the start of the game. Those days where you basically said nothing except argued with me -_-

So you're aware it's a scum tell and you went out of your way to avoid it? :D
~C~ FD
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PunishedBen posted...
Did red ever claim flavor

No, but he should. It might even make me feel better about him. It can't be worse than Buddy
~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...
I will say I dont recall scumred being this angry last game.

scumred had work every single day last game including multiple night to afternoon shifts

red has had more days off this game AND he's posting from his alt today so i'm gonna take an educated guess and say... Disneyland?
~C~ FD
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Why is Ben in a parentheses lol

Why does MI have 2 separate entries?

that's Too Much MI
~C~ FD
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We still don't have votes from Ben, Blade, Chang, Ctes, Death, IGCD and Red.

IGCD gets a pass because he has to be the final vote
Ctes gets a pass because he is apparently unable to vote

Where do the rest of you stand? Are you all so worried to weigh in that you haven't cast a vote on anyone yet today?
~C~ FD
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oh that's an L, you were breaking up "Ulti" >_>

Anyways <_<
~C~ FD
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some townie... user interface texas instrument'ed him
some townie... un-intentional total instinct'ed him

and also "corrik-ed" unless that simply means "tell pointless lies for no discernable reason/benefit"
~C~ FD
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Kirby321 posted...
"Oh, didn't you hear? He Corrik-ed himself because some townie Ul Ti-ed him!"

I'm trying to understand this portion.


~C~ FD
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But again, we should resolve vanilla first, I'm willing to wait before hanging the game on the notion that Lopen had a power that's being openly claimed by scum. And hey, maybe you scan someone guilty tonight :)
~C~ FD
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UltimaterializerX posted...
This.

You can very very very blatantly tell my role asap. The please shoot me bit is just mind games.

You really can't though. I'm confident I've seen you make identical posts as vanilla
~C~ FD
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Can't really blame him for not breadcrumbing that early

Sure I can. Lopen, I blame you.

See? It was easy.
~C~ FD
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TotallyNotMI posted...
also good luck ISO'ing TMI with me in the game.

Lopen's signature containing "pop genocide" is the reason it took me such a long time to find your flavor when i was looking for magnitude hints. Still disappointed you weren't BG :(
~C~ FD
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Poured over every Lopen post at least twice. Nothing there really looks like a hint of any kind. He pushed a lot of people over the course of 24 hours. Blade and Ulti most of all, but also myself for a spell. He defended wallz pretty heavily at one point, but was just generally vocal, but not in a way that indicates flavor of role as near as I can tell.

This is why you breadcrumb, in case you vanish without a flip -_-
~C~ FD
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TotallyNotMI posted...
I agree we don't want to lynch Ulti today.

Right, to be clear i'm not trying to deflect from my preferred lynch of red, just looking for info elsewhere also.
~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...
Yeah I did notice Ulti placing a lot of his hopes in other people's scans at first.

And specifically calling out wallz and MI to be scanned only to pivot to ctes
~C~ FD
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What does it all mean? Well I do notice that the comment didn't really take on a first person perspective until after Lopen poofed.

"I would doc save, if I could"

"I can just scan Wall myself tonight"

"I will not shoot him tonight."

But there was just a hell of a lot of "kill me, target me" in general. From ulti thats something I would expect in advance of a vanilla claim, since iirc he considers eating a bullet as vanilla the most impressive thing you can possibly do. But mostly I just wanted to see what I could find and there it is.

Still combing through Lopen's posts for hints/crumbs, but haven't seen much yet.
~C~ FD
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Topic 4:

UltimaterializerX posted...
Blade its ok, I can just scan Wall myself tonight after we kill Knight.

This post is TOTALLY serious and scum should roleblock + kill me asap !!!

Topic 5:

UltimaterializerX posted...
IGCD being my bro is noted and appreciated. I will not shoot him tonight.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Okay.

Scum make sure you roleblock + kill me tonight.

UltimaterializerX posted... (referring to MI, less than an hour before lynch)
Someone please scan this guy if he escapes.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Scum, please target me. I really, really want you to.

MZero, if your role can redirect me this is the one game you need to keep it in your pants. You have been warned.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Kirby please day scan Corrik tomorrow.

~C~ FD
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Topic 2:

UltimaterializerX posted...
Red having any activity day 1 means Ill never vote for him before he gets scanned.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Your chances of getting me mislynched are 0%. Mainly because I want scum wasting night actions on me night 1

UltimaterializerX posted...
Youre very very easy to spot as town, moreover I want scum to shoot me, not the guy soft claiming town vig. Save that for the actual scums and let them waste their own time trying to figure me out.

Topic 3: (After Lopen vanished)

UltimaterializerX posted...
The best part is scum is so going to waste actions on me tonight, just as planned.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Someone should just scan Knight tonight and be done with it. This reeks of one of those too easy and hell flip town vanilla day ones.

UltimaterializerX posted...
MI, SBell is lock town soul read. I would literally doc save him if I could.

~C~ FD
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Presented without commentary, every Ulti post day 1 that involved telling scum to target him, or kill him, or mentioning the usage of cop/doc roles and where they should go.

Topic 1:

UltimaterializerX posted...
Listen to me on days 1 and 2, listen to scans after that,

UltimaterializerX posted...
I would love scum wasting actions on me tonight lmao

UltimaterializerX posted...
Someone please scan this guy tonight. You all know my rule.

UltimaterializerX posted...
Im replicating that play in hopes someone from last game remembers that play in hopes I get shot.

UltimaterializerX posted...
God if scum thinks I'm town power it'll be so great. PLEASE target me, guys. :D

~C~ FD
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red13n posted...
its not hard to know what they would prefer. You movement frame every time barring some weird situational frame.

And what if the game didn't have a watcher or a tracker and the movement frame was a complete trap? I think on average movement frame sounds better than guilty frame, but it's still an assumption to believe it's the only one that wallz would use. It's also a complete moot point because we know he didn't get to use anything
~C~ FD
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ninja'd by kirby lol

But yeah, in a situation where wallz dies before using his ability then SBell's information finds the killer every time or at least narrows it down perfectly.
~C~ FD
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red13n posted...
sbell's role was a trap and basically guaranteed 1 mislynch at least.

That assumes Wallz was going to use the movement Frame every night instead of the guilty Frame though, right? Hard to know what they would prefer, but they wouldn't know if they would benefit more from making someone scan guilty or making someone appear to visit a target. If they knew what town roles existed then sure, they would use the movement Frame every single time because every night kill would make SBells information worse. I think it's more fair to say that SBells role had the potential to be anti-town, but was not 100% guaranteed to be so.
~C~ FD
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I'll look through Lopen's posts again and see if there is anything resembling a breadcrumb there. I think if there is a fake power then they are getting by claiming Lopen's role/flavor.
~C~ FD
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That's actually a great point. Your side-quest would be impossible if your vote were removed every day, so why is it being permitted?

It would make me trust you less, tbh except for the fact that I didn't think about that combination of abilities and you were the one who pointed it out.
~C~ FD
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I agree that we should assume 3 left, but I won't be surprised if only 2 with the relative strength of scum/town that we're aware of. Maybe ctes has something that tips the scales and changes how we would estimate the balance, but that's not important today.
~C~ FD
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Enchantress posted...
Votals
[3] Red - (Kirby), MI, (Kirby), Peaf, FD
[2] MI - Ulti, Kirby

tbh I thought I was setting red to 4 when I voted. Kirby you're actually swapping to the person you RB'd last night? Over red who didn't start playing until halfway through d3?
~C~ FD
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##Vote: Ben
##Unvote

I still have #BuddyDoubt and I want that on record.

But between MI, Peaf and Red I still like the red lynch best. He's been posting more lately, but he's the player I'd be most afraid of if scum. Throw in the fact that the night kills haven't been targeted at Red/Blade/Death and it gives me fear at all 3 of them. I mean I guess we don't know what happened night 1, that one might have been targeted their way. But Isquen and Sbell were targeted on nights when all 3 of them were unclaimed. If you're shooting in the dark why not shoot at a bigger target?

So between the unscanned vanillas that leaves Red.

Blade I like because Troy as the True Repairman is perfect flavor, but it could also potentially have been Lopen's flavor.

And Death is specifically limited to godfather if Ulti's scans are real.

Which is all to say that red feels like the safest play.

##Vote: Red
~C~ FD
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Forceful_Dragon posted... [T10P47]
btw ctesjbuvf can you TRY to vote for us please? I'd like to confirm this is real with host votals if you don't mind.

And just to confirm you were informed of your affliction just before the start of each day?

.

ctesjbuvf posted... [T10P48]
Sure

##vote: FD

Yes, before day began.

Just to add a citation, because I wasn't exactly sure when I said it but I remembered it was a thing that happened >_>
~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...
Honestly I should have just asked you how you were informed that you cannot vote as soon as you said it.

you mean the thing I did yesterday? <_<
~C~ FD
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ctesjbuvf posted...
Why did you think so?

Not to speak for Death, but that actually makes him seem more town to me, the fact that he didn't know the mechanic.

It also makes it seem like he's not paying enough attention, because when you said yesterday that your vote was removed for a second time I specifically asked you if you got a notification each night about it, and made you attempt a vote just to be sure.

There's no legitimate town reason for vote removal that I can think of, so whoever is doing this must be scum
~C~ FD
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htaeD posted...
Unless Lopen really was kidnapped and he returns once we kill the culprit. But that a mere hope.

If that happens I hope he has been keeping up on the game for the past week+ but it would certainly be great for numbers.

I guess hypothetically the same person who vanished Lopen could be the person removing ctes' vote every night, and if Lopen is returnable killing them would effectively bring two town back to life.

~C~ FD
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UltimaterializerX posted...
I said Im scanning Red tonight 100% and magically hes the vote leader? No thanks.

Your scan doesn't mean anything, especially on the vanillas unless a gf flips. If there's a gf I don't think it would also be a jailkeeper or a taunter or something, so it's likely in the vanillas. I'd much rather you scan Ben tonight.
~C~ FD
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Leafeon13N posted...
These are in fact on the table, yes.

Hell if i was in your position as town I'd be paranoid that he had access to your chats somehow with a flavor mistake that glaring and on the nose.

I don't need to read anyone else's chat. I KNOW this flavor to a T. Just not the shit from the season that doesn't count. I've seen season 1-3 at least ten times. I've seen 5-6 a few times each. I've seen season 4 exactly once except for maybe the anime foosball scene.

But the evil study group has a few cutaway moments in season 3 and in all of those they reference Pierce's death.
~C~ FD
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Leafeon13N posted...
This is a stretch imo ben. Definitely shouldn't be flavor clearing from your pov because its a weird mistske for both of you to make at once.

And all I can really say is: Season fucking four

It's more or less an abomination.

They original show runner got fired after season 3 (and rehired after season 4) and season 4 is just a weird speed bump in an already weird show.

Evil Pierce is both found to exists and is killed in the span of a single scene in an awful episode of the awful season. The only thing I remember and the episode is that it's a BAD personal episode and the evil study group shows up to take over the good one, but Pierce's death was an established part of that narrative.

At the beginning of season 5 they reference that the school had a gas leak which was fixed but it caused everyone to act weird. (Aka the shows way of season season 4 basically doesn't count)
~C~ FD
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