Community > xGhostchantx

Posts »

Page of 9
Community » xGhostchantx
most punk, but particularly crust.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
foolm0r0n posted...
They pride themselves on knowledge of history too.

Yet are often wrong.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
man101 posted...
So power metal isn't metal then because it's also based around power chords right?

No because it's not, lol. Power metal does the same thing -- it's built around a few particular riffs, but often taken to excess.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
man101 posted...
Its song structure is not metal? How so? Intro verse chorus verse chorus guitar solo chorus. It's standard song structure.

Not necessarily, but often. It's about how it's designed around a particular element in numetal -- its riffing. Its riffing structures are not the same and it's clearly evident when you listen to it. They are most often built around simple power chords; metal is not -- it's built around 3 or 4 specific riffs instead of the one power chord scale evidenced in most numetal bands like Slipknot and Mudvayne.

man101 posted...
And if the extra instrument(s) disqualify it then why is any band with a keyboard also not metal? Because you've arbitrarily decided some instruments outside the core guitar/drum setup are or are not metal? What about symphonic death metal? If Fleshgod Apocalypse used a turntable in one of their songs do they suddenly become not metal?

No, but that just served as an additional example of something in numetal that's untoward in metal. I don't care much about that point myself though, I think Strapping Young Lad have done it too.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
man101 posted...
How exactly is Slipknot similar to but not metal? What exactly about it makes it not metal despite having all the elements of any common definition of metal? That should be a very easy question to answer if your classification system is at all based on logic and not just whatever bullshit you feel in your stomach about what bands belong where.

The same reason Discharge or Angelic Upstarts is similar to yet still not metal and still has all the elements of metal. They are punk bands.

You can take similar ingredients, cook them a different way, and get a different dish.

It's not about logo. It's not about ingredients. It's about the final product. Grime is not hip hop, yet it has rapping. What a world we live in.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
man101 posted...
No. You've never once addressed my point. Define Heavy Metal and then explain why something like Slipknot doesn't fit that definition.

Slipknot doesn't (though bear in mind I've only heard up to 3.0) qualify as metal metal because its song structure and riffing type is not metal, it is rock. It is built around standard hard rock power chords instead of riffs, and frequently contains non-metal elements such as rapping and turntablism. Many bands around them are the same; Mudvayne, Nothingface, etc. A7X is more metal than Slipknot. 235's pinned post has more info.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
man101 posted...
What on earth does this have anything to do with an argument about classification?

You're the one that brought it up.

man101 posted...
You contradicted yourself with your two points and no, they're not high selling. Not by the standards of popular music. You're extremely delusional.

They are both massively selling artists. Whether or not they chart like Mariah Carey is irrelevant. There is nothing at all obscure about Mayhem, Emperor, not even fucking Darkthrone. If they'd have mentioned Blut Aus Nord or Peste Noir you'd have a point, but they didn't.

man101 posted...
This is the stupidest analogy imaginable.

No, it's not. Just because it has heavy guitars, just because they are downtuned, just because it has fast drumming, just because it has yelling, does not make it metal. With a ridiculous standard like that, Angelic Upstarts or Discharge are metal. Hell, that would make The White Album metal. Just because nusalt has salt in the name and tastes like salt does not make it salt. Being adjacent and having similarities does not make it the same thing.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
man101 posted...
You're delusional if you think the average person on earth has any fucking clue who Mayhem and Emperor are.

1) Not our problem others don't know them
2) Still not obscure bands, both are high selling artists

man101 posted...
And I'm always curious, what genre do people like you insist that Slipknot and the like are if not metal? What is your absurd, fringe definition of 'metal' if something that sounds like Slipknot doesn't qualify?

Numetal.

It's not metal, though. Like nusalt is not salt, it's a salt subtitute.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
ReturnOfFa posted...
Actually, I'll just admit it - I haven't plumbed the depths of many genres/subgenres lmfao. Well, maybe I tried with mathcore. But I kinda tapped out after Dillinger Escape Plan and Botch as my favourites. and Fall of Troy if they count, but a little more riding genres. Converge and Between the Buried and Me were great but I didn't connect as much.

You might be interested in the more atmospheric/progressive kinda hardcore subgenres like sludge and stoner. Try stuff like maybe Kyuss, early Neurosis, and Cult of Luna.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
ReturnOfFa posted...
started as more punky metalcore band. I quite enjoy their first album. City of Evil is pretty much straight trad/power metal, though. Slipknot are numetal and FFDP can be either numetal or buttrock depending on your mood, lol. Two of my faves are Mudvayne and Nothingface tbh
aight at least you put them in a metal subgenre or differentiating between albums at the end of the day lol. just find all of 'what is metal' convo hilarious as someone who acclimatized to metal from the outside when I was an older teen (now in my 30s).

Eh it's just purity test nonsense from when Roadrunner decided death metal was dead and was chasing numetal, places like MA and GFaqs 235 started getting inundated with threads about bands like Sevendust and Trapt. It's really not metal. Close but not quite. Some closer than others.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
ReturnOfFa posted...
lol fair enough on the totally different ranking. Slipknot just overall sounds heavier most of the time to me, A7X ends up sounding like wanky emo metalcore, and FFDP is just like...dumb buttrock groove metal. if they're not some form of metal subgenre, then what are they?

A7X started as more punky metalcore band. I quite enjoy their first album. City of Evil is pretty much straight trad/power metal, though. Slipknot are numetal and FFDP can be either numetal or buttrock depending on your mood, lol. Two of my faves are Mudvayne and Nothingface tbh
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
ReturnOfFa posted...
I am no fan of Slipknot, 5FDP or A7X, but they are 'metal', probably about in that descending order. Put one of their songs on for an average person. They will tell you that you are playing them 'heavy metal'. Yes, some of their songs, once again probably more from A7X but I can't bring myself to torture myself more, are not metal at all.

Deffos no, but I would put A7X > Slipknot > FFDP tbh of most metal to least metal, but I haven't really listened to Slipknot since 3.0 and the last A7X I heard was City of Evil, so that could be the total reverse now. They all have features of metal and absolutely are adjacent, but they aren't metal and thus have varying levels of acceptance among metal enthusiasts.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
ParanoidObsessive posted...
I will acknowledge that Rammstein are really good.

I got converted after seeing them live for the first time, a friend paid for my ticket. Immediate fan. That was one of the most insane and fun shows I've ever been to.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
man101 posted...
Declaring that bands that are obviously metal are "not metal" and then listing a bunch of obscure black metal is so 2009 man. A7X, Slipknot, and 5FDP are clearly metal whether you like it or not. Just because a band has more than 10,000 listeners a month on Spotify doesn't affect what genre they are.

None of these are metal (with the arguable exception of City of Evil for A7X) and he did not mention a single obscure band. Every band he mentioned is a high selling artist that have been around since the 80s, with the exception of two or three and even then, they aren't at all obscure.

I enjoy half the bands that most people have mentioned. Even Linkin Park to an extent. They're still not metal, though.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
OhhhJa posted...
Holy hell, this is a reminder that people are not well versed in metal on this board lol

Eh it's normal sadly. Downtuned and distorted? Must be metal. Downtuned and distorted *and* has yelling or something? Now it's even MORE metal. It happens in heaps of rock adjacent genres though so it's not unique to us.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
falsies do not entry

bolt thrower >>

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Every community needs gatekeepers!

it bothers us because people often bring up bands that aren't metal bands at all. but admittedly we were massive assholes about it back in the day. 235 could be pretty ... ornery. but with all the heavy music boards (rock, punk and metal) practically being dead it's somewhat open season on 235 as long as you're not an asshole about it
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Damned, Exploited, Capitalist Casualties, Against All Authority, the Casualties, Amebix, Antisect, Doom, Discharge, Iskra, Black Monolith, Propagandhi.. so many.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Ha, I am the manager.

Pro tip: unless it's super serious and the calls are recorded, we do not care. the only thing you're doing is wasting your own time; we get paid to speak to you.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Salrite posted...
Also Brodie or any variation that sounds like "Bro". There are plenty of other names I hate, too. Too many to list or think of.

It's such a white girl thing to name your children that for the last 5 - 10 years. I'm in early edu and the amount of Bodhis would absolutely make your head spin.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Blue_Thunder posted...
Gertrude.

ay that's my oma's name

*rolls up sleeves*
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Bodhi.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
willythemailboy posted...
An equivalent American company would only have 8 or 9 employees because they don't have to comply with that. How are you failing at basic math?

I think you've completely missed the point dude. You've been gaslit so brutally that it's sad. Even a company with two employees has to comply it. Even a company with only one.

No one here is overstaffed. We do not "overstaff" with "10%" more "just in case" someone goes on leave. That is just not at all how it works. Like, at all.

You are the only developed western nation like this. And it's not because it's better. It's because they don't want better for you.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
sull56ivan2010 posted...
Is that possible?

Indeed it is. If it's too busy or too many staff are off already for whatever reason, you're working boyo.

willythemailboy posted...
You're staffed such that at minimum 10% of your employees are on leave at any given time. You don't "feel" overstaffed because the excess staff isn't on-hand at any given time, but to maintain that leave policy means that you have to keep at minimum 11% more people on payroll to maintain the same level of staffing an equivalent American company would. The math isn't perfect, as an American company would generally offer 2 weeks paid leave per year vs 6 weeks in most European countries but close enough.

Literally no, lol. Who is feeding you this bullshit? I genuinely feel really, really bad for you dude. Even a company with 10 employees still has to comply and still manages to.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
willythemailboy posted...
One big difference between European and American employers is that by American standards you're massively overstaffed. An American company generally doesn't have the staff to have people gone a month or two out of the year, and hiring more people (or paying massive overtime) is actually more expensive than raising wages (within limits, of course).

you have been gaslit so, so badly. we absolutely are not "over staffed". Not even remotely close. We wish so, so bad that were true. You probably don't even realise that leave can be blocked if it's busy.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
A good start over there would be pushing for benefits since it varies state to state. In most western nations we get guaranteed paid sick leave and are actually encouraged (sometimes forced) to use our leave days (even months at a time). it would probably be a more palatable compromise for the red states.

bachewychomp posted...
He's worth like $3 million, which doesn't sound like that much to me for someone working high-profile jobs for a lot of their life into their 80s

it's legitimately pauper money compared to most of his peers
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
None at all from K - 12
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Unless you enjoy speedrunning in which case it probably doesn't
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
For everything except height.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
It's not really that the rules are suggestions, it's that we're dealing with three different sets of phonological rules, two natural and one artificial -- one for words inherited from French, one for the native English vocabulary, and the other because folks like John Dryden didn't think English at his time was Latin enough already.

As an example for the latter, definition is pronounced as such because it is based on definicioun (English tacnung) and that is how it was pronounced and spelt in early/middle Middle English, such as in Wycliffe's bible -- which, side note, is one of the earliest English texts entirely understandable for modern speakers. Early prescriptivists like Dryden wanted it to conform with Latin spelling (despite its pronunciation never having been that way) and here we are with -tion instead of -cion among the other silly things they imposed.

Some changes just boggle the mind, though. Cwic > quick. Why? WHY?
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
same but older. just no interest in getting married. ever. when/if my current missus and i split up i'm done with relationships entirely tbh. won't be seeking another.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
adjl posted...
The problem with "inflammable" is that it looks like it's formed by attaching the prefix "in-" to the root "flammable" (which would mean "not flammable"), but it's actually formed by attaching the suffix "-able" to the root "inflame" (meaning "able to be inflamed"). It's a consequence of the many different etymological roots English has, and very nicely demonstrates why English morphology can be such a mess.

It's actually a relic of Old French. Flame isn't a native English word, and the prefix in- and suffix -able are both French; flame in Old English is le (late Middle English leeg) and to be aflame or flammable respectively is to alee and leberend
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
SinisterSlay posted...
Flammable means it catches fire and inflammable means it does not.

please never go near any electronics or kitchens or anything at all that is combustible
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
GanglyKhan posted...
Sorry, I'm too STEM brained to accept mob mentality as being the de facto justification for this.

This is literally how language works, dude. You know Persian is related to English, right? This is the exact reason why we have so many languages in a single language family (Indo-European). It was the printing press and people's irrational and incessant need to be "right" that halted a lot of language development and why people are so resistant to change now.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Revelation34 posted...
Who is exactly this "we"?

Me, I decide it, I'm a linguist, specifically specializing in Old and Middle English, so that makes me triple authoritative.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
And then there's "awesome", which is still relatively common, which was a popular 80s slang term, and which doesn't even remotely mean what it originally meant.

Indeed. The word was "aw(e)ful" until relatively recently. See also "terribly"
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
English is a pluricentric language without a regulatory body. Words are whatever we decide they are.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
the idea that ads persist because we tried to block them is hilarious. they literally campaigned to make recording to beta/vhs/cassette illegal due to loss of ad revenue the second we were able to avoid them thanks to Sony. it was one of the biggest parts of their argument. the court very vociferously rejected that assertion and as we all know, universal, disney etc all went bankrupt the next day.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Same. I pretty much just play sports sims now :/
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Tell us your family has no friends without telling us your family has no friends
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
That's a bummer.

ba-dum-tish.

Couldn't resist, sorry.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
When people don't have their card thingy ready when they get on the bus/train/whatever. Have that shit in your hand ready to go before you get to the gate instead of fumbling around in your bag for 5 minutes holding everyone else up, god damnit.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
DirkDiggles posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO_gwBXTkg8

I mean musically inoffensive. It's not Morbid Angel, ya know? It's the rock equivalent of top 40 hip hop; catchy tune, turn brain off
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Does DToast think that one when poster decides to stop posting forever, two will return to take their place?
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Back in my day it was the toys, the back of the VHS tape, the TV commercials and the book giving us spoilers. You children have it easy these days.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Also I will use this topic as an opportunity to remind everyone that Goo Goo Dolls used to be a hardcore punk band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5eID_CXEXI
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Nickelback is a group of competent -- if not good -- musicians who make inoffensive if boring radio rock singles.

The Beatles suck. Nirvana's only good record is Bleach and even that isn't great.
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
I can easily think of at least two things better than Carol Baum

Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Two Worlds
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
It's never 4/20 in places that use logical dating systems :(
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
what
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
WingsOfGood posted...


wow venom!

reported for horny content
Tiw - Min scild, min sweord
Woden - Se ALLFAEDER he is, naes hwitra manna anra
Community » xGhostchantx
Page of 9