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You mean, besides the difference in the PS3 boxart and the 360 boxart?

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And the roller coaster ride with this just continues...

http://oprainfall.blogspot.com/2011/07/source-ntsc-xenoblade-done-last-story.html


Just when you think you're out of it and a decision is final, so just move forward...BAM! Even more rumors.

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Talking about gaming videos. Yes I know the possible damage in the music and movies dept. hence why I do want the language fixed.

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Jailtime can only result from criminal prosecution, which can only be carried out by the government. My point is, I doubt it'll come to that for small players. I reiterate that I would prefer if the bill was fixed and what is being targeted would be made clearer. I'm just expressing my doubt at doomsday scenarios like no more streaming ever.

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Government is most likely not just gonna go after small fries. Building a case on these guys is pretty extensive and costly, specially when dealing with Lets Plays that barely pull any views. Going through records, expenses, intent to infringe...when a freaking DMCA would suffice.

And come on, ICE's gonna be too busy going after movie and tv streams to bother with random game videos.


But again, if they fix the language, all the better.

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I'm still really skeptic about the extremes some are arriving to, mainly because most video game streams like lets plays or commenting already could be considered infringement if companies wanted and you could already be taken to court. The bill isn't magically making it illegal now, it already IS illegal. Its just that in cases when large amounts of profit are involved, it can be considered a felony.

I honestly doubt companies think they're losing much on YT videos since they barely send out DMCAs to sites like YT or Justin in the first place (something that would be far less costly and easier to do than all the necessary expenses require to gather all the evidence on monitary gains and intent to infringe and overcome the higher burden of proof requirements in a criminal case)

This isn't like TV and Music, where the companies are so adamant at getting anything taken down in minutes of it going up. So I honestly don't expect these extended scenarios except in cases where there's large amount of money involved.

Once again, I can't speak for certain, and I agree the bill is badly worded and really could use a tune up, but I'm not so sure to jump the hurdle so quickly.


On the bright side, at the very least all this commotion and outrage might end up going viral far enough so that congress actually HAS to take notice and mayhaps fix the damn bill. (because like it or not, that thing is gonna pass one way or the other so the best we can do is limit the damage)

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Man, I loved TotA back in the PS2, but Jesus those load times were always horrible. Specially that portion in the desert where the sound was all screwed up and load times were even longer for some reason.

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-FFDragon- posted...
I think a big part of the problem is that once they start attaching criminal penalties to things, they no longer have to wait for the copyright holder to raise a complaint about it, they could just go off and start arresting people on their own. Now how likely that is up for debate (not very likely) but it's still like playing russian roulette every time you'd stream though.

As a possible doomsday scenario, mayhaps...but lets be honest, you got music, movies, sports streaming....I honestly think an untelevised Street Fighter 4 tournament is pretty much at the bottom of the list of targets ICE would be going after. There's also the whole "guilty of purposely trying to infringe" which is not as easy to prove with that as it is with a TV or sports game feed.

Now streaming a TV feed of someone broadcasting a tournament...that would be more likely.



But I'm also in agreement that the wording of the bill needs to be f***ing fixed and made more clear who the targets are. I don't trust the senators telling us "Oh, don't worry. We'll only use this against really, really bad guys..."

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-FFDragon- posted...
Well in my effort to find out more about this, I just read an article by UltraDavid who is a lawyer specializing in copyright law and fighting game person who thinks it would be bad news for streaming tournaments. But we'll just have to wait and see how it goes, I suppose.

I'm not gonna pretend to say I know more than him on the matter, but I have my doubts of the effect given that yo usually see these things stream via UStream, or Justin or even YT at times, all of which are sites that must comply with DMCA notices. If VG IP holders were so adamant against streaming tournaments, you'd see them getting pulled off these sites a lore more often already.

Again, not gonna deny it could happen, but for the moment, seems too much in the "what if" territory to jump to conclusions.

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FreakinLincoln posted...
So what about reviews? I admit that I haven't heard much of this bill, only the basics, but would it apply to, say, Giant Bomb Quick Looks? I hope not. I love those things.

Reviews are covered under fair use. Hell most speed runs and things like streaming tournaments are covered under fair use.

This bill is bad for a lot of reasons, but as far as streaming gaming, I think people are getting too ahead of themselves and jumping into panic.

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This most likely won't affect streaming video game runs and such. If VG IP holders cared so much, you'd see a lot more DMCA notices for those sites in the present day, and yet they rarely take action, so I doubt the government would bother anything more. They're too busy going after movie and sports streaming sites to do the bidding of their masters in Hollywood.

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Are there any good sites for importing? And what's the general shipping and customs cost and the like?

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And now, back to bad news...

http://twitter.com/#!/NintendoAmerica

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The sewer always seemed so out of the way, since all you get are one or 2 lines of dialogue about it and don't really have anything pointing you in that direction. And yet, the game makes it so that you remember having actually gone there even if you never did. Like you were supposed to. Needless to say, I missed it the first time.

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Zelda not being a princess, I like that, but they just had to have her get kidnapped instead of being an ally, but oh well, something is something. The being like Clock Town dynamic with characters having individual stories that weave into the main, very very much welcomed back. That's one of the reasons I love Majora's so much. Well...chalk up another one to the hype.

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Funny I don't recall that...then again, the pilots just sorta went on by and it wasn't til episode 3 that I really started to get into it...

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Big Bob posted...
I spend far too much time wandering if they live on a planet or just some plane of existence out in space, thanks to the whole "Celestia raises the sun" thing. If they do live on a plane, then several other issues arise, like the whole astrology and stars thing. It would help explain the Ursa Major living nearby, though.

On the other hand, I can totally see Celestia just trolling everybody and it's all made up.

I'm more concerned about...if Celestia locked up Luna for 1000 years...how was the moon coming up at night?

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15 is also the return of Derpy.

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Well, Welcome to the Herd.

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Ahh, Episode 9. The Enchantress song is what finally sold me on Pinkie Pie. And the way she went about it all episode, followed by Flutterguy's version. Priceless.

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Its great to see a thread showing just how one goes from doubter to brony in the matter of a few hours. There really has to be some kind of subliminal message in this show that has captured all of us.

Oh well, as long as I get more Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie, they can be as subliminal as they want.

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