Lurker > creativename

From: PartOfYourWorld | #001

From: ejm5446 | #2453
You want to make things fresh and exciting? Limit each series to only 3 characters. That way we get new entrants instead of minor Nintendo/Square people and random Pokemon.

OR, we could have an entire contest of only characters who debuted in this millennium. That would be unpredictable and exciting for sure.

From: FateStayAlbion | #2308
Well I know that, but Creative has said time after time they'll gain strength from their games. Like he thinks Nightcrawler will be strong since he was a playable character in some old X-men game. If he sees that the games do bad here, maybe he'll start thinking that maybe Batman isn't invincible on this site.

From: FateStayAlbion | #2352
Anyway, I do feel if there were as many Batman fanboys as Creative says there are, they'd blindly vote for the games even if they haven't played them. You need that kind of loyal fanboyism to take out Link.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #2307
This contest allowed public domain characters and historical representations of real people to be in the contest. So I think the next Character Battle should allow characters like Dracula and Zeus into the contest, in order to test out the site's reaction to these characters being in a contest. It would be an intermediate step towards allowing any character from a video game to be in a Character Battle.

From: ViviffTheMobile | #2410
I like that yes for removing Link has 49.99%. He's over-powering being over-powered and I love it.

From: PartOfYourWorld | #2353
Everyone is so caught up on trying to find a "Link killer" that we're forgetting the main point of bringing the fictionals on board in the first place: to make things fresh and exciting again and to give us better contests in general.

From: CP724 | #2260
Hey creativename just wondering why are you so confident that fictional characters will do well on gamefaqs? Looking at the Gamespot contest seems like they didn't do THAT well. Joker only got 55% on Ganon over there so over here Ganon would 60-40 him at least.

From: XIII_rocks | #2007
I honestly think he just doesn't like the community here and that was a troll attempt. The Jane Eyre thing is too illogical to be anything else and when you combine that with "Link always wins except when he doesn't"...yeah.

From: XIII_rocks | #2008
195300?

From: charmander6000 | #2051
It was more of an unofficial 3rd place match which gave SBAllen time to put up the betting for the final match. Heck even the poll number has it after the final match.

From: IngmarBirdman | #2053
Yet he likes the ideas of Worst Character/Game? Most attractive character? And Best Inanimate object?

When did he say this?

From: charmander6000 | #2003
You need to include the bonus match on that list.

Bonus matches don't count

From: -LusterSoldier- | #1805I already jumped in and started tracking the updates myself, because the updater is only doing the first two. Once in a while, I'll track poll updates on non-contest polls if I see a poll that catches my eye. I usually have a good eye for spotting polls that could have noticeable trends.

From: BK_Sheikah00 | #1953
Seems like too many people were too greedy. Most of the people on the leaderboard seem to be straight picks.

From: XIII_rocks | #1903
I still haven't gotten over his Jane Eyre example. That was proper 1984-style misrepresentation of the facts.

From: FateStayAlbion | #1801Sure there is. People here want a video game contest, so it would negatively effect their interest if it isn't a video game contest. Why not go to some comic site if you want to see Batman and X-men in a contest?

From: Ngamer64 | #1809
Okay, so should we send it in like THIS

What new Contest would you to see GameFAQs host in 2012?
* A new regular Character Battle
* A Character Battle, but with former winners removed (Link, Cloud, etc)
* A Battle featuring ANY Characters who've been in video games (eg Batman, Darth Vader, Gandalf)
* A new Best Video Game Contest (from all eras)
* Best. System. Ever.

Or should the first 2 options be combined, like Kotetsu had it?

From: Kotetsu534 | #1759A character battle including characters that did not originate in video games (e.g. Batman, Simba, Gandalf).

From: red sox 777 | #1651
I mean, I still can't imagine how Cloud/Sephiroth could do worse on Link/Ganon than Cloud against Link 1v1, which means that Cloud can't even break 42% against Link now. Which is.....ugh.

From: FateStayAlbion | #1658
If video game characters on a video game site can't beat him, nobody can.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #1560
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=4574&num=2

The updater is tracking today's poll, I see.

From: charmander6000 | #1607
This option would be getting at least 25%, probably more like 30+%, I think.

More overestimation that people want a fictional contest. Outside of this board people probably don't care.

From: TheKoolAidShoto | #1503
"No, I want to see him face Batman" should be an option

From: ExThaNemesis | #1410
FFVII always wins.

YES REMOVE CLOUD AND MARIO

Sephiroth reigns!

From: -LusterSoldier- | #1355
My last post partially explains the reason why Cloud was dominating the early part of the morning vote, before the Trainers started stalling once the match became 50/50. The Trainers were heavily frontloaded at the start of the match, so of course they'll continue dropping for quite a long time.

From: Lopen | #1356
Again, I agree with the "suddenly going 50/50 the second the lead was about to change" sentiment but... you're going to be hard pressed to find any lead change that doesn't have this. Dante/Vergil vs Sora/Riku for instance, Dante is going 57% updates for almost two hours, then right when he hits 0 Sora stonewalls him for like an hour... Dante eventually breaks through, gets 100 up, then Sora comes back.

It happens in every close match.

From: Lopen | #1356
Shouldn't affect the x-stats.

From: LeonhartFour | #1306
I already said this is irrelevant to whether you're being dogmatic and condescending or not.

From: Lopen | #1309
Pokemon's morning vote has never been all that strong, and FF7's has never been bad, largely because there's still a strong European presence at that time. FF7 gained on Link during most of the morning vote too.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #1353
The Trainers were heavily frontloaded at the start of the match. Even more so because of the FF7 anti-votes. As strong as the Trainers were at the start of all their matches, their early vote is not strong enough to cause them to drop for the entire match. Only in very extreme cases such as L-Block in 2007 do you see a character that is so frontloaded that they never get a chance to stabilize before the match ends.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #1255Pokemon isn't that great with the morning vote.

From: LeonhartFour | #1257That would be it.

From: LeonhartFour | #1304I would imagine we should get a "What did you think of the contest?" type poll.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #1206
Trainers were more likely to be bandwagoned against Mario/Bowser to keep themselves from being eliminated from the contest. The primary argument against rallying in Trainers/Cloud is that it's a third place match that isn't even part of the contest, so there's no incentive to push the Trainers over Cloud.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #1206That's possible. The raw x-stats wouldn't be based off of the Trainers/Cloud match, while the adjusted ones would be.

From: KamikazePotato | #1203Congrats, you just described any close match.

From: Not_Wylvane | #1210
This whole thing was farcical the minute you opened your mouth and started this bats*** insane derail.

From: Not_Wylvane | #1252
creativename, stop being so passive-aggressive and just outright say "You people are f***ing idiots for not agreeing what I am thinking."

We all know that's what you're trying to imply with your words, and I know you're going to deny it, but there's no use in even pretending otherwise since Leonhart and everyone else is already calling you out on your bulls***, so just shut the f*** up and drop it.

From: red sox 777 | #1154
Even at the half-way point in the match, it looked like Trainers/Cloud would fall just short of 60000 votes. Instead, Trainers/Cloud goes on to 63000 votes. That might give you an idea on the number of rallied votes in the match, but not all of them are for the Trainers. I'm sure Cloud got rallied votes as well.

So, for those 3000 extra votes, let's put a guess at 2500 for Trainers and 500 for C/S, giving us a net gain of 2000 for Pokemon. Seems about as reasonable as anything else.

From: Lopen | #1201Point is this is bordering "who cares" territory.

From: Lopen | #1201It's nowhere near 54% as I believe CN said earlier.

From: LeonhartFour | #1102
Here it is again.

Anyone who doesn't see things the way you "clearly and obviously" see them is being stubborn and they're just plain wrong. You're very dogmatic in a lot of your arguments.

From: KamikazePotato | #1103
I seriously question how many 'rallied votes' Trainers got. Cloud/Seph making a 200+ vote comeback in the middle of the ASV is far more suspicious than Trainers stalling during a time period where FF7's strongest voter base is asleep.

From: KamikazePotato | #1110And I'm okay with trends being weird, but going 'Trends are weird? Pokemon rallied a million votes!' is silly when FF7 was just as suspicious at times.

From: Lopen | #1057
Looking at your Oracle percentage for this match, you basically just used Mario vs Link from 2002 as your prediction for this match.

From: Lopen | #1057To me that screams out that you didn't "get" that Mario was stronger in this format so obviously you're going to fight adjusting him up significantly every step of the way.

From: Lopen | #1057So what I'm saying is you're trying too hard to make this contest line up with previous contests, not realizing it is in fact a different format.

From: Lopen | #1057(No, don't look at my Oracle prediction, I put Mario vs Bowser trying to hype an upset)

From: LeonhartFour | #1010
Oh good, you realized what makes you pretty stubborn in this post.

You're pretty condescending toward people who disagree with your reasoning and logic.

From: LeonhartFour | #1007
Well, I'm just saying that I'm personally not going to do anything.

As I said, if anyone else wants to do it, feel free, but it ultimately changes nothing. The only purpose for making an adjustment is to put the top four into your own perceived order. It has little bearing on the other 60 pairings.

From: Lopen | #960
Well obviously this is for the use of generations to come. What will they do when they haven't seen this contest and its next iteration comes up? They'll be pulling their hair out!

Obviously

From: LeonhartFour | #1001
You're a pretty stubborn fella yourself, you realize.

From: KamikazePotato | #952
And yes, Mario/Bowser would probably beat up Cloud/Seph pretty badly, because they have looked consistently better all contest.

From: KamikazePotato | #905
I don't see anything wrong with Mario/Bowser putting similar numbers on Cloud/Seph.

From: LeonhartFour | #859
Not to mention, there's so much SFF littered throughout this bracket that even making "adjustments" on Link, Mario, Trainers, and Cloud solves virtually nothing, considering we already know where those four stand. Making adjustments isn't going to give us an accurate read on Snakes vs. X/Zero whatsoever.

From: KamikazePotato | #860
I'm fine with not adjusting stuff at all. If you had left it at 'dumb contest, don't care', then I would've been fine with it.

From: KamikazePotato | #860
This "Trainer/FF7 match is bogus because I say so" is just plain dumb.

From: LeonhartFour | #810
No, it isn't.

His rationale is that something clearly weird started happening, trends-wise, right around the time FFVII was threatening to take over the match and run away with it, and FFVII would have won easily if that doesn't happen.

Which is something we've actually seen happen multiple times in these contests.

From: Lopen | #857
Yeah. Let's not be brain dead, I agree. Let's do the thing that makes sense and assume there's significant SFF today rather than some sort of statistical anomaly in Trainers vs Cloud/Seph.

From: KamikazePotato | #760
If you don't want to adjust because Rivalry Rumble anything is pointless, then that's fine, but not adjusting because of preconceived notions of the way things are 'supposed' to be is something we should have gotten past years ago.

From: Lopen | #802
So you're saying Mario vs Bowser beating Cloud vs Seph with ~56% is absolutely silly to argue?

Because I can totally argue that. Based off of previous matches in the contest, even. There were a lot of signs of Mario vs Bowser being significantly stronger than Cloud vs Sephiroth in this contest-- it's not "absolutely silly"

From: PartOfYourWorld | #751
The Pokemon/FFVII match wasn't even a part of the contest. It was basically a for-fun double elimination match (and not even that, not really) in a format that has always been single elimination. It doesn't really matter what you think the "legit" result is; that match shouldn't be used for stat valuation. A character's x-stat value is taken the moment they lose and are eliminated from winning the contest.

From: KamikazePotato | #658
The idea of adjusting an entity below something it defeated is the ultimate "I have preconceived notions I won't let go of" argument.

From: -LusterSoldier- | #653They weren't going to end up with over 52% here, because that requires them to pull in over 54% over the second half of the poll. And Cloud/Sephiroth only managed one hour over 54% during the match, and that was the final hour of the night vote.

From: HaRRicH | #607This "over-performing" trend with Pokemon's been accused of it so often. Red/Blue, Charizard, Missingno, RBY, Pikachu, as a series -- these aren't all coincidences, and having your series "over-perform" in most contests since 2006 means your series has been getting stronger since 2006.

From: LeonhartFour | #555
I don't see much reason to use Cloud/Trainers in X-Stat adjustments. Just using these two results against Link would probably be more accurate than that.

From: The_Djoker | #260Batman v Link would break traffic records.

From: Haste_2 | #210
So, the stats say Ryu/Ken (and also Samus/Ridley) > MMX/Zero now.... but the question is, do you buy that?

From: The_Djoker | #153Lol @ link tripling goku/ vegeta. Good one. Theyd be one of tge strongest duos

From: Lightning Strikes | #155Hell, name me 15 non-VG characters who could beat Big Daddy, bearing in mind that this is GameFAQs.