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dancing_cactuar posted...

Assuming canon events aren't just cope, I assume it's just an adaptation on a multiversal scale where Miles in 42 would have initially had to deal with that shit, but now that Miles in 1610 got bit things have been adjusted to compensate, much like how 1610 Miles probably would have been the next Prowler if he didn't get bit.

I interpreted it as miles became prowler because spiderman didnt exist in that universe to keep the captain alive.

I still hate multiverse but this is the best multiverse movie

I dont know what to drop but logan deserves a spot

Question

If miles is not supposed to be a spiderman...why does he still have spiderman canon events such as his uncle and dad

Im not going to argue with raimi spidermam movies as they didnt click back then and still dont. I domt hate them and give them all the mercy 7/10. I dont see any of them as teenagers, never did. They are full grown ass men and women in a school setting. Tobey always looks like hes crying, regardless of when hes happy, angry or neutral. I know its their origims but all 3 villains are freak lab accidents. There are plus points to these movies but they dont sniff my top 10

I think vibranium on vibranium didnt work but the rest of it was good. Killmonger vs tchalla 1 was really good. I also give it credit for taking a lesser known setting and doing it well

The avengers movies do stand on their own (minus endgame). They are enhanced by watching everything else. Not that im saying sales dictates quality but infinity war and endgame are 2 of the biggest movies ever but everyone that watched those didnt watch all 20 movies before them. People know they can jump in and have a blast

Drax was a joke well before guardians 3 so I cant even fault 3 for his failings. I loved the consequences of animal planet, added to the evil of high evolutionary

Smashingpmkns posted...

No OG Superman
No Raimi Spider-Mans
No Logan
No A History of Violence
No Dredd

Smh

Logan would be 11, I struggled between that and days of future past

No raimi spiderman because they were good for their time and thats it.

blackrider76 posted...

Guardians 2 has even more emotional beats, IMO. It just fumbles a bit with the comedy.

3 was probably the best balance.

Agreed. Still love the movie but 2 has a whole middle section that just fumbles with too much comedy which doesnt hit

Magic_Bean posted...

Recency bias!

The raimi spiderman movies never resonated with me that much, they were fine. Same for the original xmen movies. Early mcu movies were bery samey.

Dont care for anything in the 90s or before in this sub genre

Ricemills posted...

Good list, but mine wiuld be in different order

Thank you.

Im saddened to have marvel have 9 and dc just 1. The batman would be an honorable mention I suppose

Cephalopods posted...

GotG 1 is the best of the 3 imo, but I did enjoy 3 a lot. My favorite of the individual MCU series by far; always felt they would stand on their own outside of the MCU and may even actually have been better had they been independent it.

Guardians 3 is more emotional. Guardians 1 has a bad villain, guardians 3 has a great one. Guardians 1 did walk so guardians 3 could run but for me guardians 3 is better

10. Xmen days of future past: I remember watching the 90s xmen show and while sentinels were massive, they were surprisingly soft. The color scheme also didnt help. These were scary fuckers more out of a horror movie, one of the better adaptations that go unnoticed. Also it mixed the old and new xmen cast well while giving wolverine a good starring role

9. Spiderman No Way Home: its become cool to hate on it and the reason for why things occurs is kind of silly but this movie made me appreciate all 3 live action spidermen more

8. Black Panther. A movie that caught me by surprise. The lead is good, the villain is amazing. The sci-fi aspect of Wakanda was well realized. If the final battle wasnt a ps3 quality cutscene this could go higher

7. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3. The Guardians under James Gunn get a near perfect sendoff. Rocket has an emotional story. The movie is beautiful which is never discussed. Its weird that ant man quantumania fumbled Kang and this movie did Kang better a few months later in the high evolutionary

6. Spiderman Across the Spiderverse. Beautiful visuals that take advantage of what would be difficult to impossible to film in live action plus cgi. Gwen gets an expanded role which really hits. Family dynamic is great. Spot is a fun villain. I didnt like the goofy spiderman squad in the first one and this got rid of them

5. Captain America Civil War. I think this is the comic book movie with the best action. Tony and Steve just have such conflicting personalities with each other that the conflict works

4. The Dark Knight. Everyone knows what it is. Heath Ledger steals the show as the best Joker ever.

3. Thor Ragnarok: I didnt care for the thor movies or Thor in the Avengers movies. I had zero interest in this movie. Didnt even bother to click on the trailers. Watched it and it was a blast. This is my fun comfort movie. Its always on in my place as my backgroumd noise movie now as well. Great fights, great visuals, gave thor the update he needed. Thor needed loki, hulk to play with. Hela was a great villain

2. Avengers Endgame. I cant think of a better conclusion to 23ish movies. It referenced almost all of them well.

1. Avengers Infinity War. This movie did so much with Thanos. Every line he says is quotable and memorable. Up to this moment this may have been Strange and Thor's best iterations. Amazing fights and of course the snap

Ive watched the credits like 50 times now

Also side note. I think spiderverse 1 was a 6/10 while this may be a 10/10 (9 minimum)

I thought dune 1 was a 6/10....seeing dune 2 soon, maybe this ends up being a good weekend for me

Ah makes sense

Wonder if this means mcu miles has to be multiversal...despite his existence being teased

If miles is not supposed to be a spider person, video game spiderman was there and there is a miles morales spiderman in his universe

Prismsblade posted...

It was alright, same as the first, although the plot twist later concerning the cause of the shattering didn't make much sense. Whats so special about spiderman that certain events in his life absolutely had to happen to prevent the collapse of the freaking multiverse?

And why were said events so inconsistent? A peter has to become spiderman but not always, a peter has to die but not always, and the police chief of somebody close to them has to die except if they dont have one or they never become chief.....which shouldnt matter at all in regards to him having to die is enough to brake the cycle because....plot and so Miles can be in the right even though hes certainly not and just being selfish.

Not just this movie but other multiverse movies make it to easy to destroy a universe from earth. Mcu does this as well. Its dumb but i guess ive gotten used to it

pegusus123456 posted...

MCU Peter definitely had it worst lmao

Like yeah, your high school sweetheart dying in your arms isn't the best, but Holland Peter lost his uncle, got dusted for five years, lose his mentor, indirectly killed his aunt, then had his entire existence erased.

O yeah i forgot the dying for 5 years part lol

Also having to fight thanos is bullshit. At least the other spideys never had to fight someone that far out of their weight class

Mcu holland lost quite a bit, his mentor and his aunt. Hes on par with garfield. Big losses plus alone

I am so glad they went with Spot. He works so well in animated and the things he can do are interesting. Live action I feel he would be hard to adapt

This should be the space sony operate in. I cant believe the studio that made this made madam web after this

FortuneCookie posted...

When Spider-Man was first created, the Fantastic Four existed in-universe. I presume others did as well.

It definitely changes the narrative from Peter discovering that he has powers that nobody else does to discovering that he's one of many gifted people. Either one can work if it's written well enough.

I think the MCU skimped on his origin, but they kinda had to. Spider-Man's origin had already been told multiple times in the past two decades.

They did skip it but another spiderman had an origin movie within 5 years. I think an origin movie was a hard sell back then. Damned if you do, damned if you dont

"I dont want to see him bit again and uncle ben die again"

Or

"Cant believe they skipped his origin"

TendoDRM posted...

I thought it was a big step down from the first, actually.

Im the opposite. I didnt care for 1. I liked the prowler parts, the style but it was too goofy and the other spider people didnt click with me

This hit in such a way that i am shocked

Maybe i am not remembering correctly but it was stated that when someone that is a captain in aspidermans life dies, its a canon event. Seems like the closest thing for mcu peter is tony stark. Had an authority role in his life and the same dying position as the captain's of the others. Aunt may was his uncle ben/prowler/peter parker

Anyways Im not going to argue which spiderman is different but they need to be written differently.

Tobey/andrew spiderman are the first marvels of their world. The first meta-human of any kind

Mcu spiderman is in a world that has had many super powered being events. Hell his new york had 2 hulks fight, a robot invasion, and an alien invasion before he became a thing.

Its just different circumstances.

Smashingpmkns posted...

No Way Home relied way too much on nostalgia and the story sucked. The mcu Spider-Man was outshined by every other character in the movie. It was a mess lol plus it looked like shit

No he was not. This is a lie. Tobey looked like he was collecting a pay cheque and you can tell his limited emotional range from this movie. Now andrew killed it and this is coming from someone who doesnt care for his spidey movies.

Green giblin was limited to "heuhueheue im eviiiil. Bet u cant kill me peter" which was well acted but only 10 mimutes.

Dr strange was written to be an idiot and hurt his character overall

Electro got a good makeover but was still just jaime fox

Doctor octopus was fun but sadly not a villain long enough.

Kradek posted...

It's pretty awesome, yeah.

The part where Miles & Gwen are just sitting together upside down and it flips your perspective of the city was one of my favorite parts, getting a glimpse into something unique they do so casually cause they can.

Also the colors of the different universes was sweet.

I agree on that moment especially and it stuck with me. This movie really does take advantage of animated to do stuff that is difficult or impossible in live action. That was a stand out scene for me. Gwen really impressed me in this movie, she definitely got more spotlight. Hailee is such a beast. She was amazing in hawkeye and this (that and shes gorgeous).

Side note: was the captain who dies in mcu spiderman world iron man? Hes the closest thing

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I disagree. 2 is my favorite spider-man film outside of the spiderverse movies.

When did you first watch it?

The raimi films are a product of their time. Good for the era and a special part in people's hearts from then...

....that said anyone who watches them after their time, rarely puts them high on their lists

Anyone choosing people like black widow or thor or shang chi is silly

These characters had next to no fans pre mcu and are now A listers due to the mcu. You may not like certain aspects but dropped the ball does not apply

I have no real flaws with it

For as much complaining as people do, 2023 gave me some fire nerd media.

Guardians 3
Spiderverse 2
Godzilla minus 1
Last of us
Gen v

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Hahah still cracks me up

Like, yeah, fuckin DUH bro

Cliffhangers dont always work but this one did

I think what worked for me here that didnt in one was the removal of the side characters. I didnt care about spider pig, anime robot girl or even noir. I liked that they trimmed the fat but looks like they are all coming back

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

wait what do you just have a weird obsession with MJ???

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

I genuinely dont know why you care so much. Its just a name. MCU spider-man already changed so much about peter and his life, why is this the thing you get hung up on

Yeah lets file this under non issue

KogaSteelfang posted...

God, it has to be Iron Fist. Even if it's only partly connected right now, it was so awful that it deserves the title of worst adaptation regardless.

Also, I believe they have officially have been made canon to the MCU now.

Otherwise, I'd have to say Warmachine. Has he actually done anything besides get sniped by Vision?

He did drop a tank at the generals house and say "boom you looking for this?"

Also if you think his stpry has been bad...dont watch secret invasion

boxoto posted...

when I say "GOAT", I usually mean s-tier, so there can be multiple options.

The GOAT for me is infinity war

specialkid8 posted...

They always have been

This is not true. They became canon recently when daredevil new series wasnt working so they went back to netflix. Confirmed by vincent, thats why they only showed on disney plus timeline a couple months ago

FortuneCookie posted...

I'm sorry, but that's not good enough. They should have had the courage to call her by name. And, no, calling her "MJ" doesn't count.

Meh i dont care enough to argue. Zendaya mj=fine, nothing offensive, nothing great. Tobey's mj=pissed me off and i never wanted to see her

TMOG posted...

I'd also cast a vote for Vision. He was way too powerful at the time of his introduction compared to the rest of the heroes, so every time there was a fight they had to come up with some reason he couldn't take part. He basically existed to be part of Wanda's character development and that was it.

The sad part is visiom was best in wandavision which isnt even vision really, just an imaginary one

boxoto posted...

GOAT comic book movie

Im not there but it definitely hits top 10

I will say in thr year everyone cried comic book fatigue...we got 2 of the best ones in guardians 3 and across the spiderverse

FortuneCookie posted...

I kinda feel like Spider-Man by not having Mary Jane Watson as his love interest. I know a lot of people would have flipped a table over her being Black, but racists can suck shit.

Zendaya looks like 90s animated series Mary Jane Watson. She should have been Mary Jane Watson. I don't care how many liberties would have been taken with regards to personality or whatever else. It's not like she was consistent to begin with.

Peter should be with his OTP and not some OC.

She pretty much is mary jane and to be honest id rather her than the annoying one tobey got

I get not following up on shang chi is a huge miss but damn the fact that they even got this guy a banger movie and put him in a place where people want more of him is an accomplishment. Shang chi is c list and thats generous

The answer will always be hulk and i guess rights issues fucked him the most.

Quicksilver just saying "you didnt see that coming" multiple times and dying in his one appearance...in a team up must be up there

Zikten posted...

The conclusion is coming in part 3

I think wanting a movie to have a conclusion and not waiting 2-3 years for one is a valid criticism

That said as far as cliffhangers go, this was one of the better ones. See what miles becomes with no spiderman which leads to no dad

This is coming from someone who wasn't even big on into the spiderverse and thought it was one of the more overrated movies. I cant even explain why it didnt resonate with me outside of the miles/prowler dynamic.

The darker tone helps. I feel like there isnt one moment of filler. Spot works in a fun way. Miles family dynamic is the best of any spiderman. So many great callbacks to other spiderman moments. Gwens backstory was amazing. As a man of indian ethnicity it was cool seeing that part and I had an uncle who was literally Captain Singh, looks to the rank to name aha so that worked for me.

I think this tops no way home as my favorite spiderman movie (I get it, no way home was popular so its cool to hate on it now).

Im complely amazed by this. The ending was as good as cliffhangers get.

Initial reaction is 10/10. Im thinking its my runner up animated goat movie next to lion king

Up until today i wanted disney to take the spiderman movie license back from sony....now i just want them to take the live action license back lol. Sony isnt making a live action spiderman movie as good as marvel does anymore and disney isnt making an animated movie like this

dameon_reaper posted...

So this topic is a LIE!

First line of post

dameon_reaper posted...

Newest to oldest? What is this? Memento? Going for the weird timeline plot?(I love Memento btw)

Also its weird you're going to watch the Batman movies out of order lol

Wouldnt rewatch the batman ones as Ive seen thrm

ssk9716757 posted...

I think newest to oldest is fine. Tenet is his weakest imo but other than that you'll be watching some consistently good movies.

Weezy_Tha_Don posted...

youre in for a treat with Interstellar

Tenet and interstellar are 2 i really want to watch after oppenheimer

I have seen only his batman trilogy which is awesome. Would watching newest to oldest in any way be a negative for me?

Really I just want to watch oppenheimer and some of the newer stuff where as his old movies dont look too appealing

bsp77 posted...

Sweet!

When you guys going? I am going Thursday, but it's more of a bromance date

Sat last showing at 1030pm

I wasnt a huge fan of the first but i want to see if 2 wins me over...that and maybe get laid

I got put on the PIP on my last job. Gave my 2 weeks notice in that meeting and found a job the same week which is going well

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I just said "hey Im working late, can you grab the tickets"

And she did

Update

She said she wants to watch dune 2, i said buy the tickets...she did.

So progress

VeesMcGees posted...

I actually loved the first Fantastic Beasts, but I hated the second one and didn't bother with the third. The first Fantastic Beasts gave a sense of wonder and made the wizarding world feel like a world. The plot wasn't great, but it was sufficient for the kind of film that it was.

I hadn't been a big fan of the Harry Potter films because they never managed to capture me like the books had captured me. Admittedly, it's rare that I ever like faithful adaptations as much as the source material.

But yeah, 2 was trash and I hear 3 was also trash, possibly even bigger trash.

I could go on a tangent about the MCU, but now isn't the time, so I'll leave a brief answer. The MCU as a whole always had stinkers. Prior to Endgame, people just ignored or downplayed how bad some of the movies were. Now that many people are done with or tired of the MCU as a whole, films that would've flown by pre-Endgame now get trashed, sometimes moreso than they deserve to be. A lot of casual viewers are just tired and done after 30some movies or however many they have now, so mostly people who really want to hate the MCU and the loyal fans who praise almost everything the MCU puts out are the ones left talking about it.

I thought the magic was missing and yhe hogwarts setting gave life to the world.

As for the mcu, I think the biggest flaw has to be not having team up movies/shows to mask the lesser titles like the avengers movies did

R1masher posted...

Are you looking forward to The Regime

Never even heard of

Looking forward to it

Its also weird that everything i watched with sonada has him as a samurai