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Man, if only someone could have seen this coming.

Besides every fucking person who has called everything the GOP has done since like 2016.

Generally, no.

But I know I'd never be able to be the one to use them on other people.

WingsOfGood posted...

tipping arguments of "it just can't work! not tipping solves nothing!" blah blah blah is akin to how gun control just can never work

look at the rest of the world and you will find yourself ashamed unless you aren't they type to learn and grow using gained knowledge

Uh I said not tipping isn't what will eliminate tipping. We should eliminate tipping, but that won't happen without legal and economical changes. Businesses need to be legally compelled to change. We can't just wish really hard that the entire country stops tipping at once and then hope it somehow forces businesses to feel bad and start paying all their employees (tipped or hourly) a lot more money.

I am a mustard snob, so I wouldn't be caught dead with yellow.

WingsOfGood posted...

what a wonderful system

I better subsidize it and keep it profitable

How are you hurting the profits of Chili's by not tipping? They're massively overcharging you for cheap food and will just fire servers who make bad tips. You may actually be helping them by not tipping because they'll keep fishing for servers who they don't need to pay.

LightningThief posted...

They aren't being cheap not participating in something that is literally not required by law to participate just because you feel they are entitled to a tip.

lmao if you think people aren't tipping in some form of civil disobedience. Most of them are just jerks and they would probably walk out without paying entirely if they didn't fear criminal charges.

Those businesses aren't entitled to your money and yet everyone will pay them no matter how much they artificially inflate their costs? But ask for a tip and suddenly everyone is frugal and gonna change society by taking a stand and opting out.

Not tipping will never eliminate tipping. It punishes workers exclusively and does nothing to the employers. We can at least own it and say we're doing it to save our money instead of making up nonsense about how moral it is and how it will change the world.

Not tipping is no different than any other bitching and moaning customers do. They're annoying, inconveniencing, hurting workers and doing jack shit to anyone who actually can or needs to change things. And then they leave and completely forget the issue until the next time they're in a store or restaurant. Maybe they actually feel it's hopeless so they've decided to just take their anger out on workers, who can't fight back and whom the company will throw under the bus if the customer takes the complaint up the chain.

WingsOfGood posted...

Yet not all these jobs are even tippable.

So instead of whining about some guy who DID tip and it just "wasn't enough" why are we not discussing something like UBI which would help everyone who has minimum wage jobs?

It seems odd to me how much focus restaurant servers get in these conversation whereas everyone else in worse shape than them gets left out.

Why is that?

You're right man. When has anyone ever discussed UBI or raising wages for non-server jobs? I surely can't think of one person on CE or anywhere in the world who has discussed these things. Literally only servers deserve higher wages.

/s

Karovorak posted...

The staff is responsible for the job they take.

If I complain about my shitty job and shitty pay (it's fine), my customers would not give a shit either, everyone would tell me to look for another job. Especially everyone here on CE.

Being part of a system that exploits them and then blaming the customers for it because they don't take the responsibility?

Any who works a service job is pretty much in a system that exploits them and your brilliant advice is "Well just take responsibility and get a better job! Otherwise shut the fuck up and deal with it!"

Abusive customers in general are a symptom of an exploitative system and you don't think those customers have any culpability because "Well people are taking jobs for bad employers instead of being unemployed so it's their own damn fault! They volunteered!"

This makes it sound like it isn't the employer's responsibility either.

WalkingPlague posted...

if i got a $15 tip on anything id be hyped. this bitch is just a toxic ass worker with an over privileged attitude.

not their fault erica cant pay her tuition. maybe she should start an onlyfans.

Maybe you should be angry at employers and the government instead of insulting workers and posting sexist bullshit.

FortuneCookie posted...

Hollywood was created to poison America with wokeness... which is why the first major motion picture glamorized and led to a resurgence of the KKK.

<_____<

Yeah, I don't think that fits. From the early 30s to the late 50s, Hollywood was not protected by the First Amendment and was instead run by a racist, sexist, homophobic, and theocratic Hays Code. It certainly wasn't woke back then.

It wasn't woke when we had White people in redface playing Native Americans in westerns under the excuse that they worried about reigniting hostilities if Native Americans were allowed to shoot at White people on screen.

It wasn't woke when movies were banned in the Southern US if Black people stood shoulder to shoulder with White people during World War II.

It wasn't woke when Mickey Rooney played a Japanese man by taping his eyes at the side and wearing buckteeth.

Chud: "Well actually what she really meant was that the last 10-20 years of Hollywood was created by the CIA!"

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

One can acknowledge the reality of the system while voicing strong ideas about how it should change, you know. It sounds like you're for keeping quiet about how things should be while they're not that way, but that's not how change happens.

No, I'm saying not tipping or getting angry at an employee is not the way to go. Scream all you want at the right people, while continuing to play the hand you're currently dealt until the change happens.

"I will not let big business trick me into paying their workers. Now excuse me while I happily pay through the nose for their products and fund their executive bonuses. I'm standing up to them!"

pazzy posted...

The customer is not the villain here, and anyone that would paint them out to be is the reason tipping culture won't die.

Customer isn't the only villain here. A bad customer is awful whether or not the employer is also rotten.

Tipping culture won't die because we aren't using the government to force employers to heel, and the employers have polticians in their pockets. Not because not enough people are refusing to tip.

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Should be your employer's money.

Everyone should love each other and healthcare should be free. See? We can all wish really hard for things to be different, but there is still a current reality we have to deal with until a time when things change.

pazzy posted...

Get suspended for what? Making you understand how shitty your logic is? You literally were saying people that don't tip as well deserve to have obscene things happen to them. As far as I'm concerned, you're a terrible person.

How dare you compare it to racism and human rights abuses. If you don't like tipping or another store policy, either shut up and deal with it, or don't patronize the business. Taking it out on an employee is not the answer. Either change the world or withdraw from it if you find that unacceptable.

spriga posted...

Hockey got warned from a melty about tipping lmao.

Fandom is a joke

pazzy posted...

Why can't we follow societal norms. I guess people that saw whites only signs should have just followed societal norms and not eaten there.

Your human rights aren't being attacked because you have to pay a tip. I sure hope you get suspended.

1337toothbrush posted...

You're tipping for the *experience* of getting ripped off.

But getting ripped off on the rest of the bill is apparently cool with people.

Karovorak posted...

If paying a 15$ tip seems equals to "treating me like shit", then there is something beyond wrong.

And no, it's not the 15$ tip.

Customers and employers can both be wrong. Why can't you guys just follow societal norms and fight to change them in the meantime?

America is a shithole, but that's no excuse to not tip when tips are currently necessary.

Not tipping does not end tipping or restructure American society. All it does is get employees fired because employers will view them as shitty employees and they certainly aren't going to lose profits to pay them.

Baha05 posted...

Thats not how that works.

How what doesn't work? We massively overpay for products for no reason other than for the rich to rake in profit for their bonuses. Why don't we protest that on principle? Why are we conforming to norms instead of pushing for change?

Kinda scary how many people on CE hate workers and think the proper response to not liking store policies and norms is to ignore them, only harming the workers and doing nothing to the actual people responsible. Customers don't get a free pass to treat workers like dirt because the employers do shitty things. You can't ever take out your frustrations on the wrong people.

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Because one is a product and the other is your wage?
I can explain things to you, but I can't understand them *for* you.

They are fleecing you for those products and you happily pay them

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Are you that shit at this you get screamed at? This is why you aren't getting tips, Erica.

What alternate reality do you live in where employees only get yelled at by customers because they actually suck at their job?

The average person who yells at an employee is unjustified. And the average person who doesn't tip isn't doing it as protest or because of their "principles"

A good person will never, ever, take their anger out on an employee or any innocent person. Don't like tipping? Fight for changes and force employers to comply via law. You aren't fixing shit by not tipping. The right people are not suffering when you do it. This is exactly like not voting to punish Democrats. It ignores all the people who aren't the problem that will suffer your decision.

DeadlyNinjaBees posted...

Yeah, but that's them buying something for THEM that they worked for themselves. Your boss didn't earn me paying part of your wage just because he won't pay you properly/you don't have a proper job.

You're giving a company your own money for them to use as they see fit. How is that not unjust to you? You are giving your money away to someone else for a service.