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Assuming the game is still going in any case.

changmas posted...

this is factually wrong btw. scum always no kills tonight and forces the stalemate.

There is no stalemate.

One of Ulti/FD gets lynched, and the other gets blocked again that night.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Grocery store beated, 30~ minutes into movie time

Well damn, flavor meta means a LOT less now. Not a single flavor was out of place except ctes and Ben, but Ben was lying.

Having Blade confirmed is nice but I would have preferred the shot to go to Chang. I didn't give much credence to the "Blade is engineering no kills in a show off dominance" theory. That's just the only theory that would have fit a scum blade scenario.

Chang, can you explain why are you coming at ulti instead of me? I don't think Ulti busess IGCD with a guilty scan on day 8.

Ulti would be the one who does that, not me. Also he's shot his own scum members before.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Its 19 active topics despite like 16 extra kills. Id hate you people too.

Town has been hit with 3 EKs.

But there's been 5 no kills in 8 nights.

Nothing about this makes any sense.

By the way Lea probably hates all of us and is desperately hoping this game finally ends.

I would be too if I were hosting it!

Still though, in case the game doesn't end today, we need to know who Kirby is targeting tonight beforehand.

So long as we know which of the two remaining he targets, we know to lynch the other on a kill and to lynch one and roleblock the other if the game is still going after.

The only way town loses to scum is if it's Kirby in the most ridiculous scenario imaginable or if Kirby actually blocks the confirmed town.

But yeah nice to know Kirby is still bad enough to have 100% confirmed town as his top scum read.

Ctes' entire role was a goddamn disaster but he did insist anyone he shot was confirmed town.

Kirby321 posted...

Sorry I just got home and totally forgot the next day started.

I indeed jailed FD. Figured that I was going to die last night, so if I was going to jail anyone, it'd be someone who could confirm that they were roleblocked. Because if Chang is telling the truth, he wouldn't know that he was roleblocked and thus scum with an active town power could claim that they were jailed on a night where there was a kill.

And also I still don't trust Blade. IGCD was scum, which means that on N5, scum either tried to shoot Death for whatever reason or scum no killed. Neither answer makes sense because Blade is a wide open shot to make. I can't protect Blade without blocking him, and with a Cop still alive that could scan guilty-scanning scum (IGCD), it makes no sense why scum never tried whittling down town power to get to the Cop.

I am now 100% confirmed town so be quiet.

Knightz had 3 powers
IGCD and Wall had 2.

Redirection is confirmed if FD is town.

Godfather hasn't flipped

The better question is does it fit a lawyer that is forced to kill scum? Wall was certainly going to die with or without Chang's action.

The only way Chang can be scum is if he were forced to kill scum with that power to counteract IGCD having two kills.

But if Chang is say, Godfather Jack with a Lawyer and a Bus Drive we go back to having no explanation for night 5.

Like dude. It's day 9. Put aside all strategy considerations for a moment.

Do you think I actually want to be in a game on DAY NINE.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Yes I know. Hence ctes removing the paranoia, because you are 100% good enough to pull this scum win off. Taking you out of the PoE keeps me focused. Scum cant beat us both.

I am not no killing 5 consecutive nights.

Stop ever humoring this as an idea.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Three things make me hesitate.

One, you and God really dont work together on the same team. Two, I dont think you have it in you to target a teammate and soft confirm yourself.

Three, where the absolute F is Kirby?

Four would be FD isnt stupid enough to make those night kills and try to outplay me AND Blade being on the same page. Scum clearly left us both alive in hopes wed kill each other. Thats off the table now.

You do realize the only explanation for night 7 other than an intentional no kill is that I saved you right

Honestly though I kinda just wanted to see if Chang would immediately jump on Ulti with me given he's been nudging me to suspect FD all day.

And after all this crap if he sacrifices himself to kill Kirby on day 5 scum still has a good shot at winning.

Absurd.

Then again scum had two EKs somehow so I guess two survivors wouldn't be so insane.

If IGCD doesn't burn his janitor early, scum could have TWO day kills available on day 4 and beyond. That's absolutely ridiculous.

changmas posted...

i don't know how you can clear FD like that when every single scum player has flipped with two abilities

FD hasn't been on my scum radar once this entire game and him being scum creates a lot of issues with a scumteam committing to obviously subpar decisions and a teak I don't think would commit to them.

Like I had Red and MI as town for a long while and FD has basically been in the same space as both of them.

My day 5 was trying to figure out a group of anti town that didn't have Red or MI. When Death flipped town I felt like FD just didn't fit a scumteam and I didn't scumread him anyway.

UltimaterializerX posted...

All anti town is scum. And even then only one protection is laughable. Kirby is town or we lynch the host.

Lopen would've been JK in this case.

But here's the thing.

Even if FD is 3P.. I don't know what his wincon could be other than just "stay alive until X circumstances" right now. You, Kirby, and I have never been targeted by FD. It's essentially impossible for him to be arsonist. Being a survivor type role that just needs to survive works with Ben's wincon but.. Two survivors is what.

If we are going to believe the game has a 3P for certain, then FD is a role with a ??? Wincon or it means it had to have been Lopen.

##Unvote

Let's not have an itchy trigger finger mmmk.

We still have the Lopen/3P problem.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ben had the ability to roleblock.

Yeah but Ben wasn't scum. He was anti-town.

We already know the balance of this game was horrid to begin with though. I stopped factoring balance into my arguments when it became clear IGCD was probably just scum.

changmas posted...

##Vote: Ulti

he's now the only fakeable Lopen role and I suppose has been intentionally not 'scanning' me to set up my mislynch.

even though being lynched for godfather lawyer fear is genuinely insane

No Godfather has flipped. Likelihood is high scum has a godfather bus driver ??? role for the last one.

UltimaterializerX posted...

It cant be Kirby. It would mean towns only protection is a lone doctor while scum has THREE roleblockers. If that actually happened, I call this game a win and I dont give a good god damn what the actual result is.

...Three? Who's the third?

UltimaterializerX posted...

God.

Anyone calling me scum at this point is just so laughably bad at mafia its unreal.

Yeah but look at Bloodborne

Does this LOOK like scum Blade play. No, no it does not. It never has, and it never will.

The only way Kirby can be scum is if he's godfather backup who bussed Wall out of nowhere on day 2 while Corrik was trying to lynch me and Lopen was Jailkeeper.

That's literally it.

(And for the record, Kirby now has 3 confirmed roleblocks)

But like Ctes seriously you should've been burying IGCD's claim.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Kirby is also in the he wins for free if scum pile.

The nightmare scenario is a final 3 of me, FD, and Kirby.

No, my numbers were wrong. A final 3 scenario of you/FD/Kirby still results in Kirby having roleblocked one of you.

The only way scum can win is if it's Kirby.

Yep my issues was numbers. With 6 left, we go to 5 overnight. Ulti kills me and we go to 4. On a mislynch, Kirby would be stuck on a 50/50 of who to block and town will lose if he gets it wrong.

But on 5, we go to 4 after the lynch. If I die, whoever Kirby blocked is town. If no one dies, we just lynch someone and Kirby blocks the other.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh he claimed godfather lawyer yesterday. This is an easy one. But in the 1% chance you were scum, I didnt trust them to kill you without me here. That loop is (thank god) closed.

You suddenly called him town specifically to get me shot.

If THIS was your logic to begin with, it's way more trustworthy.

But your read changed.

Hm actually, my numbers are off. I didn't actually remove Ctes from the game during my calculations.

With 5 people alive, scum literally cannot win unless Kirby is scum.

I'm just covering my bases. Chang ends up getting lynched either way eventually.

And yeah you guys can still lynch Chang if you want but my vote does not move. Ulti just manipulated the **** out of Ctes by forcing a scenario where only I could be scum without ever calling me scum.

So yeah you wanted confirmed town Blade, you got confirmed town Blade.

You either get lynched today or roleblocked tonight. Nothing else is acceptable.

##Vote: Ulti

Let's get rolling.

Ulti actually has a strong wincon now because Ctes wasted the shot on me and Ulti can just shoot me tonight. Excellent manipulation.

But not excellent enough.

Also, FD depicted me doing this no kill nonsense to be superior or whatever BS. That's not my game. That's Ulti's. Ulti's reads once again changed unnaturally on a dime to get his desired result.

(Also Ctes if you had a shot why did you let IGCD get away with a claim that shouldn't co-exist with yours.)

Of course the day 7 thing also applies to Chang. If Ctes isn't scum, then scum either NKed or tried to cold shoot Ulti on night 7.

The whole thing with the "No Kills" is something I had brought up previously though. It would require a scumteam that even considers it.

I don't think a FD/IGCD/Wallz team NKs night 5, has IGCD get blocked night 6 over having FD send it,, and then tries to cold shoot Ulti night 7 (My save would be the only explanation for the lack of a kill). It seems asinine.

And for the record, I also never do this kind of play as scum, especially as a claimed doctor who has zero fear of being roleblocked (I can just claim I was saved). MZero never taunts me either, and I just nuke Kirby personally on night 4.

Like any scenario where I'm scum, Kirby is dead night 4, and it really should be obvious.

The issue with the scumcase on FD is for him to be scum has the "No Kill" problem.

He has to have lied about a bus drive occurring on night 4.

Since the only possible justification for night 5 other than a no kill is a bus drive, it locks scum FD into having no killed on night 5. Why does FD, who already has an established action, and is under no pressure at all, no kill night 5? Why doesn't FD send the kill night 6? It doesn't make sense. Trying to make IGCD look better doesn't matter if you're not making the steps to kill Ulti before he scans IGCD in the first place.

For FD to be scum requires play almost as bad as what would require me to be scum.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

There was the game where scum was informed town did not have a mason.

Any faction could be informed town does not have X should they want to impersonate it.

But honestly it's just ctes' life, if you're town you shouldn't be this reluctant to getting confirmed at the cost of him dying. I would welcome it, personally. I could finally stop freaking out about his bad flavor and I'd be unlynchable. Talk about a win/win.

I don't care if Ctes shoots me at this point because it just gives me confirmed town status to lynch Ulti with.

UltimaterializerX posted...

FD as 3P would be boring, but maybe possible? Hes not playing like one though. Hed be targeting multiple different people.

FD why do you keep targeting Chang?

He was asked to.

The possibility of Lopen being 3P was brought up by someone yesterday, though I don't remember who did it.

How in god's name can I be 3P

Like I get claiming Lopen's role can theoretically make me scum but like

How as 3P would I know Doctor was safe the claim

It's interesting how you seem to have completely dropped your line of "there MUST be a third party".

UltimaterializerX posted...

You could just ask ctes to confirm you.

See this is the thing. Every statement you've made since Ctes revealed a shot is to call everyone but me town.

You're not directly calling me scum, you're just forcing me into a POE of one.

UltimaterializerX posted...

lmao

The entire logic yesterday is I was Lopen. There is no way youre this bad at mafia.

Says the guy who suddenly changed his read and is doing everything in his power to justify confirming the obvious nightkill.

Why would godfather have anything to do with a vig shot

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im glad Im not the only one noticing the weirdness here.

Oh you're very much not the only one.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

And ctes supposedly has a way to prove you aren't beyond a doubt.

Ctes is welcome to shoot me.

I'll be voting Ulti after he does.

Look at how drastically Ulti's behavior changed once it became clear Ctes could shoot. It's unnatural.

Actually I'll do you one better.

Kirby can block who he wants, because if I get confirmed town status my vote is going on Ulti. He openly called Chang scum multiple times early in the day, then like 30 minutes later he's suddenly calling him town when he realizes Ctes actually has a shot to fire.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Right, must more likely kirby was shot at than me.

Then again scum killed Isquen N2 so

Scum was looking for Watcher.

This isn't hard to figure out.

Honestly though I feel like Ulti is doing exactly what he did yesterday, forcing a nonsensical narrative and manipulating every single one of his reads in order to force me to be scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You spammed RB Chang, and him not listening probably won the game for town. I can totally believe FD was shot at.

FD being shot at would be total lol.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You spammed RB Chang, and him not listening probably won the game for town. I can totally believe FD was shot at.

Uh I theorized RB Chang when I was doing my big writeup.