Lurker > Rath_Attack

Incineroar is the most popular VGC mon of all time I thought.

Damn, Smogoon became a chud? Disappointing. I loved engaging with him on the pokemon ds/3ds boards. We had some fun times there. A shame to see he joined them. I guess getting banned sentt him over the edge.

Also, get rekt, Trump!

What happened to steriliser to get warned?

Are you part of that thread? You're shilling for them so hard it's hard to imagine you're doing so without having a personal stake in it yet you seem ignorant of the stuff that have went down there. Going "u-um anyone can be like that" doesn't matter. The point is they're nitpicky and pedantic about their arbitrary and detached technicalities beyond what most rational viewers are which drove them to create an insulated culture filled with unfriendly cliques. And this isn't even me. This is what they themselves acknowledged on the header of their first thread.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok

People can have personal feelings for a character but they generally acknowledge that.

A fandom's general consensus is much easier to realize if a character is seen as monstrously evil or not.

I'm saying nobody outside of Tvtropes has all their little technicalities and criteria such as any amount of supposed genuine care, how much resources they have, how off-screen their actions are to describe monstrous evil villains. It's pretty easy to note when a villain is supposed to be monstrously evil that the fanbase also feels that "actually he once had a pet mouse he didn't kill" doesn't override.

Seen people do that for much less.

the worst part of tvtropes is its created this super annoying thing where people talk about fiction now avoid describing very simple concepts or plot devices and instead substitute in the stupid esoteric trope names so that less people know wtf they're talking about

What are you talking about?

It was an actual character in a work that the thread voted on. It was 1 to 2 years ago so I wouldn't be able to find it but if you've lurked those threads for any length you'd regularly see mass murdering villains like this responsible for dozens to millions of deaths dropped because of some minor signs of genuine love somewhere or a pet the dog moment or not being as bad as even worse villains. These are of course not things people outside the site would consider to automatically override any amount of heinousness.

It's not really a fandom reaction thing. It's their own personal arbitrary technicalities. Like pretty much the entire viewerbase would consider that aforementioned mass child murderer example a complete monster and him crying while killing his mother doesn't change that but since their criteria is 0 "genuine" fondness that means he doesn't count. A "made of evil" character doesn't count because they technically have no agency for being evil even if they're meant to be complete monsters (hell, the name "complete monster" itself should cover that) and the rest of the fandom does see it that way.

It's pretty clear most of these are just so they can limit what's put on the site.

that is insane

the complete monstertrope should be based on 2 key things

1 how they are viewed in universe for their actions

2 how evil they are within their own universe (in other words no comparing them to other villians from other series)

one of my fave tropes complete monster is slowly being gutted

i noticed luca blight from suikoden 2 is no longer called a complete monster and i legit have no idea why

Apocalypse was criticized more for power of friendship type stuff than waifu pandering. Pretty much every other smt pits you against your friends, but apocalypse does the exact opposite in the route the game wants you to take

I dont really have as much of a problem with it compared to some smt fans, but its definitely a departure

you make a good point. fire emblem also got more popular when it introduced romancing, as the persona series did too. maybe SMT V should let people take home Nuwa.

Mara is treated as a meme of folks who never seen the design reacting to it for the first time.

There is definitely acknowledgement from margaret in persona 3 at least and in persona 5. There is a scene in SMT4 apocalypse that is nothing but straight innuendo.

What is this lore?

I thought the crew said S3 wouldn't exist in it's current form if they had more episodes. Namely the human realm being less used. Though maybe I did mishear.