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Vote Ben and tie it leave it to chance please

##Vote: Ben

I mean this with all sincerity

I hope scum wins this game.

Town deserves to lose after this absolutely fucking atrocious display.

Peace.

Igcd

I am so disappointed holy shit

Kirby321 posted...

Not to be an Ulti parrot, but Ben is one of B8's strongest endgame solvers as town. Unlike many players (and that includes me), he actually goes back and rereads posts, recontextualizing them with regard to the flips and information revealed in the present.

I think we're gonna be in a more vulnerable position if we lynch a town Ben here, especially if I end up dead tonight and can't pass along who I targeted.

Sure, I'll keep him alive

Just vote ctes.

If people move to ctes I will come back instantly

##Unvote:
##Vote: Ben

I don't want to move my vote. Still clinging to hope IGCD will show up and help.

The only day ctes could vote was the day you were roleblocked

Honestly ulti I don't even think you have to pretend at this point. You could just say your scum and this town still wouldn't lynch you!

Also if your perspective is "I think MI is town but gosh nothing else to do" it shouldn't be this fucking silent 45 minutes before lynch holy shit

Honestly if you guys are thinking "MI is probably town but I mean what other options do we have that murdering four vanilla in a row?" I honestly have nothing

Everyone is saying I'll flip town and that nothing will be gained if I flip town

And then still voting me

Wtf

Yeah that's why I said ill be voting you if I have to.

Kirby321 posted...

Well okay counterpoint: if you need at least two, who is MI's scum partner?

According to Ben, the person I've been wanting to lynch for multiple days.

Blade is already on ctes

Kirby doesn't have a vote down but is likely going to go back to me

@IfGodCouldDie

We kind of are going to need your vote here. I'm hoping you feel like you can trust me more today.

PunishedBen posted...

I could kill Ctes, I just don't think its the wisest and safest play. I really refuse to believe in a world MI is town here. Can ANYONE tell me who the hell can be scum if MI is town?? I need at least two.

Ctes & Ulti.

PunishedBen posted...

Blade has been saying Ulti and Ctes are a scum team and MI has latched onto that today

also wait

I've been saying they are a team for days now, I didn't just latch onto this today

But I don't see how scum ctes / MI would be working together to cause this to occur unless I was responsible for stripping ctes' vote all these days and just... coincidentally forgot to submit the action the same day kirby blocked Ulti

I mean if ctes flips scum <something that doesn't remove his own vote>, then yes, Ulti is responsible for removing said vote.

But... didn't you throw your vote away by betting it?

Hey Ben, I will be voting you to save myself if needed, so if you had any interest in voting ctes so I don't have to do that...

I kind of can't imagine thinking me/ctes are on a team together rn

I think it's 2-2-2 between me/ctes/Ben right now, for the record as we're nearing EOD!

ctesjbuvf posted...

I just meant at what point you started thinking he was shot directly, because you seemed pretty confident in that today.

I feel like I answered that.

I thought Ulti was fake claiming cop and would be avoiding NKs on protection to justify staying alive.
MZero dies.
Ulti says 'I have a guilty scan!'
I think 'oh cool, I must have been wrong and Ulti really is town cop and MZero taunted the kill'
Ulti says 'well, it's not really a guilty scan but it basically is a guilty scan'
I go 'ugh nope I don't trust him again. Ulti must be fake claiming cop and NKs are avoiding protection to justify why he's still alive'

ctesjbuvf posted...

I got curious and checked the start of that day. I don't really see anything that hints towards him knowing, which also only makes sense of he is scum with Kirby. He does mention you attempted to target him before you do which is weird but... how would he know?

He did however initially say "good job MZero" first post, so I want to ask, at what point did you chance your opinion about him likely being shot directly, MI?

For the first point, I don't believe he's cop so when he came in saying 'i don't have a guilty scan but I still think i do' I just felt certain he was going to try to implicate me and when i flipped as town just shrug it off afterwards. I thought it was all faked to be a guilty scan without really claiming a guilty scan to off me without looking bad afterwards.

However when I said 'good job MZero' it was implied that he had a guilty scan so I was giving him the benefit of the doubt being real there, and in that instance I believed MZero did taunt. Then when it became a 'guilty scan that wasn't a guilty scan' well, my mind went other places.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I see the point but red getting the heart intended for me I can only make sense of if Ulti is town.

One of the fears I have with Ulti is the post he put just after this one. He's so focused on 3P I feel like he's scum telling us that there does exist a 3P.

Oh, I still think six vanilla is absurd to be fair, but I have the benefit of knowing it's true.

I think MZero was shot directly so scum Ulti has an excuse for being alive longer!

FWIW ctes if you are town, consider this a proactive apology.

I just don't want to spend my energy responding to what I feel like are mind games from scum.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

It does not have anything to do with the fact that you claimed. If you are telling the truth and and the role is real, then the role just sucks and it takes luck almost to get anything out of it. It would basically never be worthwhile to bet your own life and the rewards otherwise are meager. It's just a bad role.

Your insistence that scum would somehow be hurt by your claim that you can benefit from predicting the night kill after 4 failed attempts to predict the night kill is the part that doesn't make sense.

Remember he also claimed that at Mylo he still wouldn't full claim because it would weaken him too much!

I will not be entertaining these hypotheticals today, thanks. Let's end the day.

Especially because when scum vote stops someone other than ctes if they have three left the game is over after you lynch me so please let's end this abomination

UltimaterializerX posted...

A response to post 14 would be nice. Who are the 3 scum in the 3 power after I narrow it down to 4 people? FD and Ben both would be a massive stretch.

Nah. No one's mind is going to be changed so there's no reason for is to talk in circles for the next 8 hours. Let's just lynch and move on.

Nah. If after I've said not to kill peaf, Red and death and no one listened and you all still want to lynch me you get what attitude you get because I'm done :)

Gee, I wonder why ctes would post something with such poor logic that he tried to use to clear everyone but me? Hmm.

PunishedBen posted...

And I also think the Wallz post where he provides a fake read on Ulti and says Ulti is either power or scum can't be scum/scum

Ulti: Hey guys, I'm gonna fake power.
Wallz: Cool I'll post a read to support that.

PunishedBen posted...

Both of you (MI And Blade) are saying Ulti is scum. Do you have anything to say about the posts I pulled up last night?

Tons of people piled on Knightz, myself included, very early. I remember early on D1 saying to him 'don't feel bad, rolling scum is hard'.

And, like I just said, Ulti might have been involved on the Knightz push, but Ulti isn't above bussing and Ulti tried hard to get me lynched instead of Knightz EOD. I don't believe Ulti's excuse of 'that was never really going to happen'.

But basically if you're going to clear Ulti based on how he treated Knightz, I honestly feel I deserve the same treatment. So if you're going to lynch me today you can't clear him based on that!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80769024

Tons of people piled on Knightz, myself included, very early. I remember early on D1 saying to him 'don't feel bad, rolling scum is hard'.

And, like I just said, Ulti might have been involved on the Knightz push, but Ulti isn't above bussing and Ulti tried hard to get me lynched instead of Knightz EOD. I don't believe Ulti's excuse of 'that was never really going to happen'.

PunishedBen posted...

He is directly responding to Ulti's vote when he claims. A claim that he was not ready for, and the scum team did not have ready to go for him

These two cannot be aligned. I'm moving on to another person, because I think I've proven my point

And yet, despite that, Ulti ended the day begging people to lynch me instead! I wonder why.

Maybe after you lynch me you guys will realize that Ulti bounced wildly back and forth between opinions on me again because he actually doesn't care. Maybe.

Have fun gaining absolutely nothing from my lynch and throwing the game guys. Peace.

FD tracks as NOT evil Pierce but I do think normal Pierce could fit a 3P role

The world where ulti didnt submit the kill is where each scum can only submit one action and Ulti is performing a power role each night.

I'd also say for the record here

I'm not even voting Ulti right now!

League of Legends Mafia.

UltimaterializerX posted...

you just listed a scum game where this is factually not true.

We have very different memories of that game. You did not give up! You fought me tooth and nail.

I doubt there's still an archive out there of it anymore. It was so long ago.

PunishedBen posted...

Ulti's behavior towards Blade today though....him being so excited to flip town and prove Blade wrong. There's one thing Ulti hates doing as both alignments, and that's looking like an idiot. He wouldn't look good flipping scum after today lol. He's gotten super personal, perhaps too personal, but its been from a town perspective. I will go to my grave that I cant see Ulti as scum based on just that

I strongly disagree with this. Ulti goes down kicking and screaming and will never relent. This is exactly his MO

See I remember one of my best town games being a game where we got to Mylo immediately without lynching scum. Then I convinced town to lynch scum you and we lynched all scum in a row after that.

This is just feeling like that to me. It's easy to say I'm doing bad now, but I'm not believing it until I see your flip.