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Actually, I changed my mind. I'm no longer interested, you'll fit in nicely on this site, let's end things here with this.

Post #49 was me calling out how people would obviously go on about how "Trump is ultra dangerous, so therefore we must vote Democrat no matter who!". This idiotic mindset pushed by people on this site who don't want to try to change things gets evil people, sometimes who are STILL dangerous and should NOT have access to nukes, elected because they're "not Hitler".

Not at all. I think Trump (not republicans as a whole) is the greatest threat to our democracy. I didn't feel this way regarding bush and I don't think John Mccain would have done any serious damage either. I even provided my reasons why. You never stated why those reasons aren't cause for concern and I even mentioned how those reasons will get even indepedent voters to vote democrat against republican. This isn't "politicians" getting in my head.

Your opinions deviate from the majority of people here on a few things.

And those reasons are cause for concern, but my issue is then going "so we MUST vote Democrat no matter who!". The focus is only the news regarding on why on Repubs are bad, how stupid they are, etc while intentionally not signal boosting stories regarding Democrats that make them look bad, because "two party system", "wait until after the election" (BRUH what if the Democrat candidate is potentially a actual criminal???? Who fucking cares if it's Hitler, would America still give up, elect a serial killer into office unironically because of their party and "how the person is literally worse" and then DARE to all look at me and say "this is the smart thing to do :)" or electing someone who committed several crimes is still an absolute embarrassment to our political system)

People who would unironically elect someone who is still awful because "they're not Hitler" do not deserve the right to vote, partly for their own safety. With THESE people gone, politics is a better, smarter place.

You did use it in place of my argument-

Mmkay, well, you're wrong, I've repeated this 4 times now and I'm sick of typing this out. You don't know what a strawman is, I dealt with the crux already.

And your first counterargument was just "But we CANT DO ANYTHING". Sure, it was polite, which is why I wasn't super rude... but it was the same defeatist, unchanging mindset I expected.

Learn to debate and learn not to use logical fallacies if you want to be taken seriously or at the very least don't throw a fit if you have nothing else to say.

Yeah, yeah, you're "cooly and calmly being a badass" while I'm "throwing a temper tantrum and saying nothing at all". You're clearly "delulu" at this point.

No, the only one who doesn't know anything is you. I don't believe you anymore when you claim to be this expert who has done change, you're sounding more and more like some Internet random pretending to be this super badass online when you absolutely do not reason like someone in these positions, and post #65 is just repeating what people say about how Trump is literally the end of everything, so therefore we must vote Democrat no matter who.

You've said nothing "informative", just repeated what others say, if anything you actually repeat the EXACT arguments everyone says against me for why they don't want to try. THAT is why you were told to go back and reread my post. It applies to you, you're not that special in the end.

I dare you to go back to my first post and show me where I deserved your hostile response. For someone complaining about people trolling and baiting you seem to have literally no sense of self awareness.

Because you're continuing with defeatist mindsets that this site loooooves, and my first reply to you was not hostile. But now... I'm honestly tired of keeping the gloves on, since I'm somehow "insulting" you in previous replies and being this completely mean and totally rude to you and making no sense at all, while you're coolly and calmly "fighting back" and "making all of these smart points", it's so obvious what you're seeing this as.

Just admit you don't like it that your actually very common reply wasn't as "thought-provoking" as you thought it was.

I'll answer this politely despite my frustration. Here's why..

Note by eventually I don't mean anytime in the near future. Right now you have republicans who want to go back to the old guard. Trump brought the maga's out of the wood work. People who want extreme nationalism. Biden has much of the younger voters completely angry with him over the israel fiasco. People who want a more left winged style government. It's coming to a head so much that people are speculating regarding civil war (something I doubt will happen.) States refusing to abide by federal laws. Complete disorder in congress with frequent threats to shut down.

You mean you're actually explaining yourself finally, sure.

Anyways, a bunch of this has already happened before. Stuff like 9/11 happened and plenty of other conflicts and "major" events... nothing changed. It's pretty obvious something actually game changing and not just "current events" needs to happen.

The specific (two party or bust) mindset existed and change still occurred. So I will have to disagree with you there.

>complains about fallacies, again
>uses fallacies, again

Right, we're done here, you're ultimately no different. Bye bye!

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You edited this in so.

You're still using the word strawman wrong. You mean assuming things. And preemptively addressing potential counterpoints.

Because I am knowledgeable on politics. I am a senior data analyst who has worked for organizations that directly used said data in the political arena. I have conducted research and papers and helmed teams that have been useful in using that data to reinforce or even pass certain legislation. This isn't a hobby for me. It's my career.

Can I see some of this data as well as something that shows it was from you or something? Because you sound like you're just using your potential position ("I'm an expert, I know what I'm talking about!") as proof that your opinions are correct while sounding like a tool for others. Some of this sounds too... lofty as well. And convenient.

"Of course you would predict this because Trump being the candidate is a foregone conclusion."

No, I'm pretty I predicted it because I was listening to what others, most likely Democrats, were saying.

This is literally an immature stance. I haven't treated you in any specific way. I responded to you cordially. I wasn't snarky in my initial reply to you or anything. I simply gave my position and stance. Then you threw a fit.

Post #73 was not a fit.

You know, it's odd, you say that you don't post here much, yet you make very similar stances as them. "The opponent is throwing a fit because they're disagreeing with me" or, one that hasn't been brought up yet by anyone: "The opponent is showing even a hint of anger. It must be because I'm right, not that I'm stupid or nothing they say is getting through to me, or that I'm genuinely just trolling which is annoying" are FAQs classics FYI.

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No, I clearly meant the Republican party, not what you're trying to imply here. Most people hate the Republicans for the same reasons they hate Trump, I see it everywhere and I figured you'd be the same, you matched the patterns until recently.

TMOG posted...

Because I don't claim to want to leave? This site's got its fair share of problems under Fandom's rule, but I still like posting here, particularly on LUE or for running my character tournaments.

Now, are you going to answer why you're here today if you hate it so much? You've been posting about how much you don't want to be here for almost two full hours now, lmao

Well, it has other problems like not punishing a bunch of people on this site, but removing Politics was a big step forward. Now one little circlejerk is gone. :)

And, tbh, I figured I could leave that and go or just reply to a few posts, but I just lost track of time. The same applies for you though, you've been here for a while...

There's really one reason I'm here though atm, I planned to cut things off earlier.

No, "word salad" directly implies you did not read my original reply and skipped over it, or are dismissing it completely because it was long, you even implied it was too long But fine.

Your post literally didn't have any rebuttals. Word salad wasn't me being simply dismissive. It was just you complaining. Same with this and you failed to understand the very post you're commenting on. I never said I didn't read your posts. Lol

Post #49 was a call-out post, it wasn't a rebuttal to anything. Although maybe I misread some things afterwards.

You're continuing the entire "two sides" thing for reasons put in your head by politicians. Yes, it does have a counter, everyone needs to try to convince both parties' to vote for a third party to weaken the parties. Or get the people who refuse to vote, to all go third party. Make the two parties vulnerable and you win. The parties are complacent and outdated and will not change or actively try to address what people want in favor of pushing their own agendas otherwise.

This is also not me simply "complaining" unless you're complaining as well. I am replying to what you are saying now.

You've invited it on yourself by being snarky with your original reply.

Fair, I suppose. It's probably better to complain about them going for the really low effort "ur an alt cuz low karma" at this point. I didn't have being snarky in mind, but I should've expected people would interpret it that way.

You created an argument I never made. You "preemptively" dealt with an "argument/stance" I never made and don't hold. That's a strawman.

No, you're referring to assuming things, strawman is IN PLACE of the opponent's ACTUAL argument. Although apparently this has multiple definitions now, when "assuming things" is the actual words for what people sometimes say a "strawman" is.

Not to mention that the best arguments foresee potential rebuttals or counterpoints to arguments and shuts them down, unless saving time is no longer "good conduct". I'd see the issue if I did not also reply to the crux I mentioned earlier in the same reply as the supposed strawman. But I did, so it was not a strawman.

The "common" solution "people come up with." Had no bearing on my post or statement. You are arguing with a party that doesn't exist. A position that isn't held by me.

Well, this is the normal """"debating"""" style on FAQs and most people on FAQs truly do think the same things. The higher the karma, the more they fit the stereotype, just see the specific "counterarguments" people made.

"GameFAQs is a dead site", most people agree, so there most people are alts... so it was safe to assume this, since the same is done to everyone, and the same is happening right now from Duran and TMOG. I also did not check your profile for your active posts, but I suppose that low number adds credibility to your argument.

No. I am literally active in politics. More so than just about anyone on this site. I am literally involved. I don't post much on gamefaqs and have no other online account. I spend my time in the real world fighting for real change. Not just here in America but abroad across nations. I am a lead organizer in multiple organizations. Organizations that have influenced and championed real legislation. Lol

If you're truthful... then congrats, you have actually done more than the ? Blocks on this site ever will and you actually have some of my respect, for how little it's worth. And honestly, I don't think I'm going to bother with the others here since they have nothing actually valuable to say, I was planning to leave... but you seem to actually have something worthwhile.

I actually don't think it's going to be a two party system forever. You are once again; barking up the wrong tree. I have gone after people on here and have outlined strategies on how to create a fragmentation of both the Republican Party and the Democrat party. The issue is this won't happen over night. As for "you won't see real change" this is nonsense. As a woman I am now able to work, read, receive competitive pay, and so much more because of real change that was fought for. As a minority I have the right to my own property thanks to those very same changes.

Okay, so now we have something more interesting and fresh, something that is deviating from the norm.

Care to explain why you think it won't be two party system forever when it's been this way for decades because of people's mindsets?

Not to mention that you're ironically misrepresenting now, I specifically said "You will never see true change so long as the system continues," (referencing the entire mindset of "don't try to change the two party system"), I never said change was impossible. But so long as this specific mindset continues to prevail, it will never change.

"As for me "asking you to go through my posts?" Never asked you to do so."

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You're bringing this up as a counterpoint in a way that implies I should have known? Therefore, you expected me to check your history or know what your history was.

And I'm "defending" it because it's not a strawman, with Peter I misread what they wrote.

TMOG posted...

You certainly seem to know a lot about what most people on this site do and how they think, considering you expect us to believe that you're "not an alt" and "never use this site" lmao

Vanished posted...

Why do people no life a dying site for ? Block status instead of modernizing to a new platform? Stop logging onto this site, I'm doing better things with my life nowadays, do the same and leave (or just become really inactive) with me. Leaving the site will not cause the Republicans to automatically win, and you're better off getting your news from actual sources instead of this place, you're exercising your mind that way.

Not to mention that... I'd prove it if I could, but I can't because I can't exactly prove that I left my account inactive years ago, and it's not an actual rebuttal whether I'm on an alt anyways. Just ignoring the point in Post #49.

Vanished posted...

I know. I made my account when I was younger and started using it when it became more relevant, and I've been modded several times and I left for a year to get rid of moderations. Will be leaving again shortly, I think, since I don't have anything meaningful to gain.

I'm still waiting on why you're still here. That was not rhetorical, I was serious in suggesting you leave with me.

PeteyParker posted...

Most people who vote aren't registered to either party and are Independent so you're wrong on that. I wasn't even registered to a party until 2016 because my state requires it for the primary. You also missed where I said "banning" was making the GOP so powerless that it's ineffective. Please do the site a favor and fuck off again, your bullshit won't be missed.

I'll take your word for it, but it doesn't really matter, since people vote for their preferred party on average, seemingly.

"You also missed where I said "banning" was making the GOP so powerless that it's ineffective."

You're technically right on that, but most people go for "banning the GOP" in reply to me bringing this up and why letting politicians indirectly control who can become president through the idiotic two party system so I assumed you would as well.

GameFAQs users, especially this board, tend to have the exact same opinions and suggestions on things. Past experience has proven it. Sorry if you actually think differently on some things.

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I typed out the reply to this,

"The common "solution" people think of is to try to ban the Republican Party, which will immediately cause a big and violent problem. Which is why I mentioned it in the first place. You're perfectly citing off every single thing that most people on this site do, including how you're "so knowledgeable on politics", so I expected you to have that take as well.

Plus, people have said that "Trump will most likely be the Republican candidate" in the past, so I expected that too."

And I typically get trolled or baited, and the people never get modded while I get modded for false things, including this site's definition of applying "trolling" to many things that you disagree with... while not acknowledging the possibility that one can simply be wrong and believe in what they are saying. It's why I left. It's not "because I can't debate", it's because I typically get focused on and stuff like what Duran is doing now is ignored.

That's why I say "GameFAQs" in these things and just refer to everyone as a singularity. You all will back each other up or remain silent on trolling and stuff, you're proving it atm by being silent on Duran and TMOS here trying to intentionally get a rise out of me, and everyone here views this as a "one side vs the other side" issue so, why not just treat you like you all treat me?

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Okay, so, if you're admitting that you don't read my posts... then... should I just reply with others reading this in mind instead?

Anyways, you actually just proved why I didn't edit it in: You've already gone "word salad" in response to something you weren't interested in reading, you've just shown why making the post longer wouldn't have mattered, this site just makes up reasons for why they can just go for outliers or just go for insults. "Snide remarks", "alt", etc.

The only actually insulting remark I intended (Keyword: intended) to make was the "wanna know something?"... sorry about that. I should've written "Wanna know something?" instead, but I figured we were just... going at each other at that point. Some of the others are with me, atm.

So, we're going about snarky statements... are you going to call out Duran and the others for getting snarky with me?

It's not logical either, you missed the point in #49... but based off of what you have written, yes, you naturally think that your stance towards the system itself is logical.

You also don't know what a strawman is? A strawman is something you use in place of someone's argument, it's a misrepresentation of it. I added that reply at the end to preemptively deal with an argument, I already replied to it by addressing the crux.

I should've potentially brought up how the predictable response would be "Well, Trump thinks (these stupid things), he MUST be clinically insane and not just dumb as hell (or trying to appeal to stupid people, idk)!"

The common "solution" people think of is to try to ban the Republican Party, which will immediately cause a big and violent problem. Which is why I mentioned it in the first place. You're perfectly citing off every single thing that most people on this site do, including how you're "so knowledgeable on politics", so I expected you to have that take as well.

Plus, people have said that "Trump will most likely be the Republican candidate" in the past, so I expected that too.

Trying to convince enough people to vote third party isn't going to happen and is a losing strategy here in America that typically results in a republican victory.

No, it's because you give up and just repeat what politicians put in your head. It's The Simpsons alien image in action, honestly.

You will never see true change so long as the system continues, you will always see people like Biden who disappoint Democrats, and you will never have a true say of who your president is neither will you have someone that you actually like (primaries don't matter, the party will just forcefully put up whoever they want anyways), and you will always have to deal with "the threat of the Republicans", because everyone thinks "it's a two party system" so they either don't vote because they don't feel represented (and they never will be because of your mindset). So you vote for it, and encourage others to do the same, ensuring the cycle repeats itself.

So if your earlier implication is that I merely "pretend" to not like biden.. my posting history speaks for itself.

You know that it's not normal to go scrolling through profiles for this, right?

Not to mention that... even if you and one other doesn't, the others do. Typically the ? Blocks.

Fallacies weren't what I intended, but I did slip up in replying to Peter as well.

PeteyParker posted...

The reason that people talk about "banning" the Republican party is so that the Democrats can actually get the reckoning the party deserves so that we can get "actual change" at some point, not to have a one-party system. It's to make the GOP so powerless to be ineffective. We can't hold the Democrats accountable and withhold votes when the effect will be full fascism from the Republican party. They literally admit that it is their plan, they are full mask off about it instead of at least pretending in public that it's not like they did before Trump.

You do realize that... mostly everyone who votes is either a Republican or a Democrat, and if you successfully get one of the two parties banned... what do you think will actually happen immediately? It's not going to be anything peaceful, especially if we think it's full fascism from the Republicans.

"We can't hold the Democrats accountable"

You have absolutely no plan to do such a thing even if this happens. And you know it. This is simply an excuse to think simple.

BTW... I'd honestly just stop responding, you're just proving Post #49 correct and just confirming why I left the site. "One or the other, we have NO CHOICE", again. You missed the point.

TMOG posted...

Yes I also make sure to come to a website I haven't used in a year, don't care about, or even enjoy using specifically to hype up a cult leader president on CE rather than do anything else with my time.

Why do people posting on obvious alts always like to think that everyone around them is too dumb to realize they're on alts?

hype up a cult leader president on CE

This is what I wrote in Post #49 in action. "One or the other, so you're helping the enemy" There's literally nothing else to say about this.

Why do people no life a dying site for ? Block status instead of modernizing to a new platform? Stop logging onto this site, I'm doing better things with my life nowadays, do the same and leave (or just become really inactive) with me. Leaving the site will not cause the Republicans to automatically win, and you're better off getting your news from actual sources instead of this place, you're exercising your mind that way.

Not to mention that... I'd prove it if I could, but I can't because I can't exactly prove that I left my account inactive years ago, and it's not an actual rebuttal whether I'm on an alt anyways. Just ignoring the point in Post #49.

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I did with the start. There's nothing else for me to say because... you've replied with nothing I can contribute anything meaningful with.

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You know whataboutism isn't an actual response, right?

But sure, I guess. It's not like I already called out Trump (intentionally because I was trying to prevent this from easily happening), but I already know you've started assuming I'm a Trump supporter because I posted something that wasn't in agreement, so...

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User Since: Aug 2010
Karma: 534
Active Posts: 44

I know. I made my account when I was younger and started using it when it became more relevant, and I've been modded several times and I left for a year to get rid of moderations. Will be leaving again shortly, I think, since I don't have anything meaningful to gain.

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So, to save time and just go right for the crux because it's exactly what I expected:

"I personally despise biden but trump is far more detrimental to our country and risks undermining democracy and is an active detriment against our constitution."

I should've potentially brought up how the predictable response would be "Well, Trump thinks (these stupid things), he MUST be clinically insane and not just dumb as hell (or trying to appeal to stupid people, idk)!"

Hey, wanna know something interesting? The only way to cause actual change is to make the 2 parties start following modern causes by actual fear of losing the votes. Trying to ban the Republican Party will never happen and just lead to a one party system.

EDIT: I forgot about the entire "withholding documents" thing Trump did a while back... yeah, I guess "dumb as hell" is understating it, but w/e.

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Mmhmm. So... while I'm here, why don't you tell me what this board thinks on that clip? I'm curious what the truth... or perhaps dismissal, depending on what's the actual truth and given how this site works, is.

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Hmm, alright, good for you, but the others here aren't doing the same.

"What mindset am I applying?" You're literally criticizing me for calling out the entire "one or the other, I don't want to try, I can't change anything so therefore I can stick my head in the sand" thing" because it's "hurting my team".

"then attack people who say Biden, when they are agreeing with you?"

IDK, it's almost as if people are continuing to fall into a decades-old trap, as usual.

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You know my comment has you (and honestly, most "political" Americans) in mind and the mindset you're applying now, right?

"Yeah, but at least he's not a REPUBLICAN!" + "Voting third party is worthless!" is such an embarrassing thing to admit to thinking, regardless of how people around you beat it into your head to "just give up and play the game, don't try to change things, you can't make a difference (spreading the word is too hard apparently)", it's a pretty good argument for removing one's right to vote on the spot.

But this is also expected.

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I dunno... old man I don't trust who isn't advocating for ceasefires, took 2 weeks to implement protections on abortion... plus I hear how he's such a disappointment.

I'm also not quite a fan of that video that circulates as a meme but no one actually calls out of him weirdly giving that stranger's child "kisses" and the kid freaking out, yet nobody calling on it because Biden is a Democrat and that "helps the enemy", so...

Although, I imagine you see yourself in my reply so I doubt continuing this will lead to anything... Duran.

TMOG posted...

Say it on your main, coward

This is my main.

Anyways, so, no actually worthwhile reply? That's about what I expected from this site, it's why I try to stay away from it.

Smallville posted...

why do you think trump is in better mental health? Easily most posters thought biden was better in both

Unsure of why they'd say that as well, but GameFAQs generally loves playing the "one or the other" game and will generally praise Democrats simply for "not being Republican" when our current president is still useless. I don't really expect people here to answer the topic honestly if one of these were actually Trump (but I doubt the correct answer is Trump on any of these, honestly), anyone who does will be "corrected" accordingly and probably put on a list.

"Yeah, but at least he's not a REPUBLICAN!" + "Voting third party is worthless!" is such an embarrassing thing to admit to thinking, regardless of how people around you beat it into your head to "just give up and play the game, don't try to change things, you can't make a difference (spreading the word is too hard apparently)", it's a pretty good argument for removing one's right to vote on the spot.

EDIT 2: Corrected condescendingly and mocked, as proven here.