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Tropicalwood posted...

Funkydog posted...

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/872994869018492932

Some potential good news? >.>

Considering the nutjob called an election when her party just barely holds the majority, she better step the fuck down.

Calling the election now was smart.

Most people like the conservatives.

Everybody hates Corbyn including the labour party itself.

The only reason she may lose seats is because as I said earlier, the media has done a very strange and effective job at turning this into "May vs Corbyn" and not your local MP.

If they ha waited until 2020 and held an ellection then, the conservatives would become much weaker.
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Mal_Fet posted...

not even the GOP would defend him if he had.

OH come on.
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Remember when games used to have cheat codes and God Mode?

Now that shit is DLC and micro-transactions
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bknight posted...

I love you son.

lolwut
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Games are supposed to be fun

Optional easy modes for single player games should not bother anyone sane
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I was on their side until they said they did it without consent.
I literally don't know the copyright laws on this but you can't just re-edit and then sell on movies right?
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Mal_Fet posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

"I hope you would do this, I'd hate to see you lose your job"

He didnt say that though

His point is that if Trump did say that, his supporters would defend it.

And you know this is true. Trump literally said so himself when he said he could walk out into the street and shoot somebody and not lose any support.

And that is a real quote. And his supporters did and still do defend it
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COVxy posted...

I mean, this is actually a common exercise in sociology classes, where the professor picks an arbitrary physical characteristic and treats the students differentially for some amount of time to simulate the feeling of discrimination.

EDIT: Ah, yeah, it's called the Jane Elliott Blue Eyes/Brown Eyes exercise.

Yeah I thought that was TC was talking about
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garan posted...

Funkydog posted...

Chicken posted...

The team should've been immediately disqualified and barred from future participation for supporting terrorism.

This.

Agreed.

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I Like Toast posted...

Any 4 words said while chewing food

"I'm choking! Help me!"
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Youre out to dinner with that beautiful girl/talll male doctor. And it's going great.

Then suddenly she says:



What 4 words could she say that ruins the whole thing for you instantly?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Well she is facing consequences for something she did. No one to blame but herself. I do find it funny that the same conservatives who say "why fire him for a racist post on Facebook?! What about his livelihood and free speech!" Are basically celebrating the same thing happening with glee in this case lol.

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Marvo Rocks posted...

Funkydog posted...

Like title says, hope you are voting. (Whatever way it may be)

Will be an interesting day, but seems set to be a Tory win, but we can hope they lose majority at least. It does feel much like america's election felt from outside eyes - poor choice from main two, no matter who you vote for, as anyone else feels like a wasted vote (unless you go for tactical voting)

How is Corbyn a poor choice? He actually represents an actual alternative to the Conservative party, and won the leadership of the party (twice) by a huge majority, as well as increasing membership of the party to record levels.

Labour may not win the election, but at least they've offered a real choice.

IT'S NOT A CHOICE BETWEEN MAY AND CORBYN.

Please please understand that
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Notice that TC Who is American says "the" president and not "our" president like he is supposed too.

A subtle way to undermine and disrespect trump in a subliminal way you don't even notice. Sowing the seeds ofseparation
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Lying is dumb. Either admit it or ignore it.

Like that atheist guy who shoved bananas up his ass. Then his ex leaked the footage online to embarrass him and his response was to post a video of him eating a banana.

Now now one talks about it.

If this guy just posted a pic of him eating squid, no one would care
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"These 3 irrelevant statements are all you have."

*Ignores every thing and repeats them*

This is sad....
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-Gavirulax- posted...

If I'm a bigot for criticizing Islam

No you're a bigot for defending and championing hate crime then purposely ignoring everyone and everything that points out how rotten that is.

You just use 2 or 3 soundbytes you saw on Reddit and repeat them over and over thinking you're smart.

"It's not a race."
"Critizing Islam isn't Islamophobia!"
"Why is their society so weak that they become dangerous if we abuse them on mass!?"

Aren't arguments or points. They're just stupid statements that ignore everything that has been said. And it's all you have.

Go outside. Talk to people. Learn a little.
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Anyone but fenderbender
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-Gavirulax- posted...

The majority, I think not...of course it went over your head that I was talking about converts - as for the rest of it, yes I know my arguments are superior, I would consider using my words more often, it makes you easier to read. <3

Converts aren't forced to change their names either. A lot of them don't. This is the UK, not Saudi Arabia.

Jesus Christ.
-Gavirulax- posted...

I'm going to pretend like you made sense with this, since "critzing" people is not a phobia, and never will be, nor is "critzing" an ideology.

Exactly. You're arguing against yourself now.

"How is critizing people a phobia!?"
"It's not."
"WEll then how come you're pointing out hate cries as if it's a bad thing!?"
"Because hate rimes arent criticism."
"WELL HOW IS CRITIZING PEOPLE A PHOBIA!?"

You're in your own world. Get out some time and talk to people. Most Muslims are just dudes, doing 9 to 5 jobs who just pray more and drink less.

-Gavirulax- posted...

That's me, an ex-muslim bigot!

Sad that you're proud of it but at least you are honest

Well I say honest, you're honesty about being a bigot. You're still dishonest about ducking the antisemitism, skin-color and homophobia points.
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Sanktu_Vyvorant posted...

The whole "Islam is not a race" argument is extremely stupid, because most people base the religion on how people look. That's why you see Sikhs getting attacked for being mistaken as Muslims.

Because yes, while Islam isn't a race, most people who hate Islam see it as a religion full of brown people who wear turbans.

He completely ignored this and other points repeatedly, just stuck his hands in his ears and went "Not a race lala."

It's funny how hypocritical the close-mindedness is.
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Funkydog posted...

We also need to make sure Tories dont get as many seats as possible too. Most people are just "tactical" voting anything not Tory, or not whatever party they loathe most.

You'd want to vote for a local candidate you hate who has terrible policies that will hurt your community just to stick it to May?

As I said that's maness. It's like a millionaire sending aid to another country, then going to said country under a new name, dressing up like a bum and then stealing a small amount of his own stuff just to stick it to....his own interests.
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-Gavirulax- posted...

Lol, you know nothing about Islam if you think that would be their name, which I'm not shocked,

You intentionally evaded the point.

Which says it all really. You know full well skin color plays a huge part, you just don't want to admit it so you can continue defending abuse.

You're also wrong for the record. Plenty of Muslims have Anglo names, especially in Western Europe. You know nothing about Islam if you think that could not be their name, which I'm not shocked,



-Gavirulax- posted...

No, again, the criticism of Islam and its teachings is perfectly valid

That's not an Islamophoic hate crime.

No one going "999! Police! That man ate some pork!"

You're strawmanning. Again with the points you ran away from. "How is critizing Jewsh teachings anti-semitism, how is critizing homosexuals homophobia!?"

You will never respond to that.

-Gavirulax- posted...

Islam is not a race

I didn't say it was. That doesn't stop Islamophobic crimes being base on Beliefs and skin color and you have handwaved based on that like a bigot.
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I wish people would understand it's NOT a vote between May or Corbyn.

It's a vote for YOUR local MP.

Even the British don't seem to understand this. It's nothing Like Trump vs Clinton where you were voting between personalities.

You might disagree on May on everything but absolutely love your (or one of your) local Conservative Candidates. You might be a staunch Liberal Democrat but HATE your local candidate and so vote differently.

You think Douglas Carswell became an MP because everyone in Clacton loved UKIP? Even he didn't love UKIP.

Voting based on May vs Corbyn is madness.
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Scorsese2002 posted...

AOL has indicated that it's planning over 2,000 layoffs following the deal's close.

:(
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-Gavirulax- posted...

I specified those for a reason, no matter how much people try to move the goal posts to skin color, again, if even if people were critical over that (which people have been with me in the past) it's never a reason to go out and do nonsense like this.

-Gavirulax- posted...

It does, of course I never said it didn't, which is what you're implying, so I need not state the obvious again.

Then going "If anyone responds stupidily to us abusing them that just shows they are a weak stupid community." is stupid and now you claim to know it.

However Islamophobia is one of the most scandalous words ever created, since it is perfectly fine to be critical of Islam and not be called "phobic" for it, which I've heard the word used to describe just about every former Muslim ever, as the word exists almost entirely to stifle debate.

Replace "Islamophobia" with "Antisemitism" or "Homophobia" and you'll see how rotten that attitude is.

-Gavirulax- posted...

I specified those for a reason, no matter how much people try to move the goal posts to skin color, again, if even if people were critical over that (which people have been with me in the past) it's never a reason to go out and do nonsense like this.

Skin color is not irrelevant. You think White Muslims called Charles Smith are the ones being targeted?

Sikhs have suffered from Islamophobic attaks from people who are too stupid to know what a Sikh is an just abused the brown guy in a turban.

That's why I said "Beliefs and skin color." you don't get to handwave that.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/im-sorry-couldnt-more-heroic-10582913

Guy was stabbed multiple times and lost an eye while trying to stop multiple armed terrorists when he didn't even have a gun. He's a badass.
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Boxxy_XXX posted...

Ever try making a billion dollars? He sure as Hell didnt inherit anywhere close to a billion

No he just inherited $300 million and real estate that worth over a billion.

Then proceeded to run most of his businsesses poorly but take advantage of tax laws by repeatedly claiming bankrupy and other loopholes to swindle money.

Trump is the businsess equivlant of Saul Goodman and that has been repuaton his entire adult life. No one laughed then got more concerne that other businsessmen when he continued pushing into politics.

If you think Trump is a grand businsessmen and earned his wealth through smart hard work and brilliance then you're on the same level as the guys who donate funds to release the prince of Nigera.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Tons of people on my twitter have been shitting on Jeremy Corbyn nonstop for a few days now

That's because nobody likes him including his own party
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-Gavirulax- posted...

Also, if the community is so weak that their response to hurt feelings and criticism is to become terrorists, that says enough right there.

Not so much "hurt feelings" and more "crimes against you based on your belief and skincolor which then everyone justifies."

And no one says a whole community will change, just the weak and easily manipulated ones.

"How can you saying it's wrong for me to treat people like shit and break the law!? IF any of me doing that any consequences then that's everyone else in the world's fault!" has no logic.

If all the people in this topic had their windows smashed, tyres slashed, were insulted, assaulted, had things stolen, had death threats and their homes vandalized etc etc by their neighbors, how long do you think it would take before one of the posters grabbed a baseball bat and did something stupid?

So how come you do not believe this same basic prinicpal applies to Muslims?

You need to google "Hath not a Jew eyes." then come back
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pinky0926 posted...

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Baneposting posted...

Nobody actually cares that he's gay in this country. Like, at all.
It's a major thing for everyone else, just not the Irish

Which is incredible considering the strong religious roots of Ireland.

It's a remarkable under-reported point that most of Ireland went from very devouted verging on radical to immensely liberal christians who are cool with gays and abortion and don't practice their faith... In 1 single generation.

That's pretty wild.

Yeaaaaah, maybe look up his platform before you go on too much about liberalism. He's about as Liberal as Milo is.

Liberal Christian =/= Liberal politics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity

It just means a belief that the bible is of moral value and the teachings of Jesus + the church are strong and valid beliefs to base your life and society + that God exists and Jesus was his son. But that the bible is not literally true. It's a rejection of fundamentalism.

If a Christian man is having anal sex with other men then he is a liberal Christian even if he is deeply conservative politically because he has a liberal understanding of the faith.

This is what has changed in Ireland over 1 generation. They went from people who hate each other remaining married for decades because divorce is immoral and boating women to the UK in droves for abortions. To accepting divorce, abortion and homosexuality on mass.
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Balrog0 posted...

What makes you think I love discrimination,

The fact you spend your free time arguing passionately in defense of it on online message boards about video games.

Balrog0 posted...

That's not at all what I'm doing, though.

Except it is.

You're literally arguing "Some states don't have discrimination laws that protect under 40s, therefore discrimination is okay"

The fact you even brought up court cases in the rare event of something absurd happening just demonstrates the opposition towards discrimination that is common sense to all but bigots.

Hell that alleged discrimination wasn't even out of hatred it was out of penny pinching.
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Howl posted...

Zach_is_back posted...

Gays are fucking awesome.

If someone posted "straight people are fucking awesome" people would freak out and call them bigot or homophobic.

Straight people are fucking awesome.
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Balrog0 posted...

so you're basically just assuming that a certain kind of discrimination doesn't happen,

It's not speculation it's common sense

but if it did, you speculate that we'd change our laws to reflect that just cuz?

Yes. Although people like you who love discriminating would fight the changes tooth and nail.

Balrog0 posted...

or can you just admit that we let businesses discriminate on a general basis except for very specific carveouts we've made?

No because that would be a lie.

This whole "No shoes no shirt is discrimination so businsess can refuse service to gays and black people." is crazy.

You're pretending whatever random nonsense you bring up is discrimination when it is not and then going "Well there's no law about X in this state, so therefore that's discrimination!" with no logic.

If the Bakery refused to serve people under 40 that would be discrimination too but it would never happen
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When you're at Harvard you're representing them.

If Harvard students are saying sexually assaulting children is sexy then Harvard is supporting that opinion and their reputation is destroyed.

They're allowed to say "No dice"

It sucks for whoever made this public however.
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Rika_Furude posted...

A business is not a person and therefore cannot follow a religion. The bakery is a for profit business open to the general public so they are not entitled to discriminate.

Exactly. Pretending you don't understand that is crazy talk
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Seaman_Prime posted...

Yeah this is how the terrorists win, have a bunch of stupid elected officials ruin your country

May wasn't elected on two levels.

1. There was no election. The previous leader stepped down, she took his place.

2. The UK election isn't for the PM, it's for your local MP. The PM is just the leader of the party that has the most MPS.


Granted in a weeks time the conservatives will have won again but even so.
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Balrog0 posted...

It's literally saying discrimination is okay if you're not in a protected class. .

Like you could also say, it's saying you can definitely fire a 39 year old to hire more 24 year olds and that's legal. But it's not discrimination because 40 > 39

Except it's not.

Discrimination is not okay ever. I'm just explaining why the law is the way it is. Nobody is fired for being 24 when the businsess wants a 60 year old. That doesn't occur. The opposite does.

You're basically arguing the Life of Brian sketch where the man wants to argue that it's discrimination that he can't have babies.

And if there ever was a case where for some reason businsesses started to discriminate against the fit intelligent 24 year old hard-workers with all the promise in the world in favor of old people, the law would be changed to affect that.

Basic common sense.

Do you also think no urinals in the women's bathroom is discrimination? Since potentially in theory a woman COULD use one, the fact it never occurs isn't relevant to you for some reason so the law needs to cover it.
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Baneposting posted...

Nobody actually cares that he's gay in this country. Like, at all.
It's a major thing for everyone else, just not the Irish

Which is incredible considering the strong religious roots of Ireland.

It's a remarkable under-reported point that most of Ireland went from very devouted verging on radical to immensely liberal christians who are cool with gays and abortion and don't practice their faith... In 1 single generation.

That's pretty wild.
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fenderbender321 posted...

You're really going to say that people don't benefit from being able to drive their car from their house to a store to purchase stuff?

That's not what anyone is saying.

But your point of "I benefit from driving my car to the store. Therefore businsesses don't benefit from government anymore than I do and as such hateful discrimination and lack of health and safety is fine!" is a nonsense point.

If you open a businsess you too would have to follow very basic very simple incredibly reasonable standards such as you don't get to discriminate. If you can't do that then you cannot reap the benefits of the society you are using.

What you do in your own private time is your businsess, you can be as hateful and angry and horrible as you like in the confines of your own home alone. But businsesses can't.

And you're saying my post is the worst you've seen on this board?

That I have seen yes.
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EnragedSlith posted...

The mayor is muslim, is he not?

Yup

And is routinely intentionally misquoted (or flat out lied about) by the American press for some reason
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fenderbender321 posted...

Me being able to use the roads benefits me just as much as the business.

No it doesn't. You're not running a businsess.

So if I can discriminate against businesses, they can discriminate against me, because neither one of us are getting something more out of infrastructure.

Except their businsess.


This is worst post I have read since I came to this board.

"Aside from the businsess, whats the difference between what me and a businsess get from Government!?" is.... just.... What?
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Balrog0 posted...

The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) only forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older. It does not protect workers under the age of 40, although some states do have laws that protect younger workers from age discrimination.

It is not illegal for an employer or other covered entity to favor an older worker over a younger one, even if both workers are age 40 or older.

discrimination, broadly speaking, is absolutely 100% legal

That's also not discrimination. It's literally the opposite it's saying you can't discriminate.

A businsess can't go "You're fired because you're 42 and we need more 20 years olds." if the guy is doing his job.

Calling that discrimination is laughable and going "But there's no protection for a warehouse firing a 24 year old man so they could hire a 59 year old woman to do the heavy lifting! Therefore discrimination is legal!" is such a bad point that I have little choice to assume you are trolling or are uneducated.

fenderbender321 posted...

That's exactly my point. If it holds no logic one way, then it holds no logic the other.

Then that's an awful point because it holds logic one way but not the other.

You're going "How does 2 + 2 = 4 hold logic but 2 + 2 = 6.7877a starfish shaped like my butt482.32 not hold logic!? Either it holds logic or it doesn't!"

If you run a businsess that thrives due to the government you agree to abide by the reasonable standards set by that government.

For example: Be safe and don't discriminate. Not tall orders.

You taking a bus doesn't mean this suddenly loses all logic. That's a stupid stupid point
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Funkdamental posted...

Would have been nice to see exactly which offences are being subsumed under the category of "hate crimes". If we're talking 20 incidents of verbal abuse, graffiti and vandalism in a country of 63 million people the day after a terrorist mass murder, I'd call that a remarkably muted response.

This is London, not the UK.

Popuation is about 3 million. Went from roughly 1 in a million per day to 1 is 150,000 per day.
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What's funny about this is that May has gone on record saying that police street searches, basically the UK verison of Stop and Frisk being based on race an quotas is evil and immoral and has to be stopped.

But then turns around and says "Oh but we can ignore human rights if it helps me clamp down on the Internet."
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-bridge-attack-latest-rise-islamophobic-hate-crimes-borough-market-stabbing-terror-police-a7777451.html

Went from 3.5 a day to 20 a day. That's a bigger rise than after the Paris attacks where everyone put French Flags on their Facebook
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Balrog0 posted...

listening to this while I write

Theresa May seems to be damaged from refusing to debate

Kinda crazy to hear her brag about allowing police to do their job after she cut back their funding and then there were attacks,
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fenderbender321 posted...

You didn't tell me why. Unless "that's stupid" was your argument?

Wut? Yes we did.



However the infastructure, roads, public transport, tax breaks, emergency services, education etc that America gave you from the taxpayer to allow your businsess to exist and thrive demands a few very basic obvious stances when you open said businsess.

You going "Well If I take a bus I benefited too! Therefore the fact businsesses discriminate is fine!" holds no logic. Businsesses still agree to follow very simple very basic standards when they open in exchange for all their benefits. These aren't unreasonable standards. Don't discriminate. Have secure exists, don't refuse to pay your workers etc.



Balrog0 posted...

that's definitely discrimination

Except it's not.

"No shoes no service" is not discrimination because there is no group of people being targeted. A black guy with shoes get serve, a white guy without does not.

If the Christian bakery said "We'll make you cakes if you come with shoes on." nobody would be complaining.

This is just intentionally pretending not to understand what discrimination is just in a poor attempt to justify hate and discrimination.

joe40001 posted...

Respond to this:
Provided that racist jokes are between consenting adults, they literally cause zero harm.

And if two consenting adults made homophobic jokes but then in public served gay people, nobody could care.

"Discrimination and hatred should be okay because I make horrible jokes in private" is once again not a reasonable stance.

The entire anti-gay pro hatred and pro discrimination argument in this entire topic has just been a long string of saying something incredibly stupid and then going "Trying to stop hatred is like this stupid thing I just said." It's unironically what Homer Simpson would say
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*Once you've agreed to open a business and agreed to serve cakes you can't discrimate an deny that service based on the fact you're a bigot who hates certain people.
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Theiconkid posted...

It's funny how the LGBT only quotes the first part of my post but don't want to talk about how every one shouldn't be discriminated against whether they were born that way or not

You can't choose when it's ok to discriminate and when it's not that's call wanting special treatment not equalit

Because everyone already had talked about it and you ignored them:

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

joe40001 posted...

But you are wrong about "discrimination". Business can totally discriminate, you can discriminate against people without shoes or shirt, you can discriminate against people who don't have a reservation or a membership, there are loads of types of discrimination that are a-ok.

No you can't. Because that's not discrimination.

IF the bakery said "We don't serve wedding cakes" or "We don't serve people with no shoes." and gays came in to buy cakes and were turned down.

But a guy going into a bakery to buy cakes they sell, wearing shoes and they go "Sorry we don't serve black freaks like you." is discrimination.

Think about it this way: Would you require a business make a KKK cake even if they didn't want to? No? Then similarly you can't require them make a gay cake if they don't want to. Gay people may be a protected class but gay cakes are not. More bluntly, production or distribution of gay accouterments is not something a business is legally obligated to do.

Again false equvilence. This is not the same thing.

Going "You wouldn't allow the bakery to make a cake that has your son being killed by terrorists! So it's okay to not serve women." is just pure nonsense. Nothing more.

Denying service because you want to be a bigot and discriminate is not the same as not doing a service that is fucking stupid.

Once the bakery says "We've opened a bakery, we've as such agreed to comply with the government and sell these cakes we made." they can't then discriminate on customers.

Do you actually have a single argument that is NOT just saying something really stupid and then going "It's like that!"

fenderbender321 posted...

First of all, it's time to throw the whole taxes and infrastructure argument out the window. Everyone benefits from the infrastructure. Businesses aren't the only ones getting the benefit.

Nobody said that they were but this is why they still have to follow basic government rules such as "You're not allowed to discriminate, you must have a fire exit." etc etc

No we don't "Throw that away" just because you want to discriminate against people you don't like. That's stupid.

joe40001 posted...

But you aren't refusing based on their orientation, you are refusing to provide based on what the cake is in service of.

There is no difference. It is still discrimination.

Replace "Gay" with black and you will discover this.

"We don't break the law and discriminate you because you're black, we do it because you'd use the cake at a black wedding or a party with black people and we don't support that because you're black."

The argument of "You would refuse to bake a cake with a dick pointed at your son's face on it so therefore it's okay to discriminate against women." is idiotic.

Once you've agreed to open a businsess and agreed to serve cakes you can't deny discriminate on that service based on the fact you're a bigot who hates certain people.

This is not complicated.
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