Lurker > htaeD

also Leo was a bust
nobody alive mentioned him much and Leo never said anything besides regretting signing up
and now I dont want to look at the color blue anymore for a while
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

yes dowolf seems to have also done his investigation before the day started
but I still like dowolf more than Gravy..

I will ask him though, when did you figure sbell was the last scum? it sounds like it happened during day5
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I wont be mad if we NL tonight (or you, since you only need 2 votes)
because I feel like I have already nearly exhausted the archives

though if I get killed tonight, dowolf do claim the next day
I dont think you are scum, but just in case I was wrong somehow, I at least dont want to get it thrown in my face that I let the last scum get through the game unclaimed
if you can understand that bit of pride inside me
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I am not good at saying stuff like this
I just hope everything goes well
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though Gravy I cant completely like, since his investigation seems to have been done offscreen (so to speak) and his posts have this 'sideline observer' affect to them.

possibly just a result of him not wanting to get in the heavy arguments, but seeing him ask Dowolf for a NL just now makes me twitch
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

well to summarize
still see dowolf as town
less sure about gravy being the scum and less sure about sbell being town (but only slightly in both cases)
so effectively I only made this worse for myself

one more thing to do
check Leo and people mentioning Leo
I completely forgot red was a replacement of him
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

okay, reached dowolfs red vote

he starts it off as a pressure vote, but he does get more into it after a while and after red posts more
he could have gone for scare at this point or even gravy, but he picked red, who nobody was talking about much.
yes to argue the scumside of possibilities, dowolf might have been trying to look active and didnt expect red to take off so well
but I dont think it happened that way. not when he kept asking why people liked red, kept telling people to make red claim, and discourage people from voting Gravy
even when scare asked if they could lynch anyone besides red and Gravy borught up VI, Dowolf didnt go for it

I have to say, dowolf still looks town to me after this
there is setting up a scumpartner to look good later, and then there is a needless sacrifice
and to me red would be more of the latter if dowolf is scum, even with the scan from cop, town was losing power quickly and sbell already claimed to be a BG who scum apparently successfully roleblocked twice. and soon after dowolfs vote, the prosty also revealed himself
I dont see why Dowolf would amp up the pressure, red didnt even claim power to get the heat off
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

okay
- Dowolf doesnt say much day1 (inversely, he has a lot of posts on later days), day2 he has the whole letsnotlynchPez because he wasnt counterclaimed deal. which while not a good reason to not lynch Pez, was far too brittle to be a proper defense of Pez. Dowolf does have a bad case of the Itoldyousos at the start of day2. But do did Pez. two scum doing that at the same time would be risky

btw that reminds me that sbell did seem to suspect Plum too day2, but he didnt let go of Pez even then

day3 sceptile starts to push dowolf, but it doesnt really take off. red never really talks much about dowolfs actions day2 either, during or after
VI at least says he likes Dowolf more after Scare reveals he was bluffing

will continue this later
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I will admit that confidence always worries me
also keep getting distracted, had to watch the new GOt episode
how could I not
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

greengravy294 posted...

Could have been a bus, right?

Ill see when I get there
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

though I will ask you then Gravy
would dowolf push red so suddenly if he was his scumpartner?
he didnt do just that he asked others to help vote red too
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Gravy
day3 yeah

I might have worded myself badly
you didnt suspect sceptile day3, but you did bring up points that allowed him to be scum despite him not getting up

not bad in itself, and certainly not coming from someone who voted VI
but I still felt I had to make note of it
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

this is just an answer to that scenario
but seeing as how Gravy was accumulating votes, scumyou might have seen it as an allowable risk
especially with VI's vote still waiting in the wings (VI definitely made posts that indicated that he was leaning to voting Gravy)

Bleh I was liking gravy a little more but now... I don't know. @_@

think that was also what i wanted to bring up, or at least showcase

done with gravy now, not much to say for his day4/5 either
except that he seemed to have turned scare into a suspect early on
and he was still allowing for the chance that sceptile could be scum until VI flipped
but since he did accuse VI before VI got masterplum'd, Gravy looks a little better than I remembered him being

still, Dowolf is next
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

also the anger was also directed at VI I see now

okay heres an example i dont know what the fuck you've done this day so have a nice day BITCH

and I wanted to bring something else up but now i forgot, blah
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

less to say about Gravy

for most of day3 he promised to read up and failed to do so, or wasnt motivated to do so.
he parked his vote on me mostly based on gut on one post he saw of me
he didnt really come into action until sceptile revealed his prosty scan and he started questioning things. to his credit he noticed the stagnation of the day (though I feel Dowolf did something about it first)
he dropped his vote from me and moved to Scare. maybe to support me (since I was trying to get Scare to claim at the time), or to buddy up to me. I dont know

then he takes a nap (allegedly) and returns to see him tied with red, claims and says this in the next post

dont blame you guys for wanting to lynch an inactive dude, but i've basically shown up so i mean, pretty poor pretenses here

if i go down i presume scum is actually protecting me. just a hunch. probably 1/3 scum on me to force this claim.

cant tell if red is actually shit at mafia or just wants me out for whatever reason. for all the "mafia legend" shit he's literally never shown up in a game. all he's done is whine that i wasnt readily excited to catch up because im a busy dude and theorycraft. like i dont really know if this makes him scum at all. it perplexes the shit out of me

dowolf i think might be mafia, but i think he's town. but i always feel like he's town. i like how he talks, i guess? nothing more than gut here. if he's town that'd be cool though.

kindof wasting space at the bottom there, and taking a null stand against red even though he's tied
its commendable maybe. but I cant deny I have been wondering if Gravy was reluctant to vote since he didnt want red dead.
doesnt make that much sense tho, if Gravy was the scumroleblocker, he and red would know who was the more valuable one

Then in a bizarre twist, he votes VI instead of Red. And he definitely wasnt out of danger yet at this point

sbell is someone who said things i had been thinking so i actually trust him a tad

vi was that third read but he's been basically invisible, so i'm thinking he could be scum -- players who are visible but someone that never actually says anything of any note or actual value (in terms of being inflammatory, controversial, etc). like i actually think i am right on vi here. all i can really characterize vi is that he has been a shit stirrer. enough to get stuff going, enough to be visible and hide behind the 'inactive' slots which lmao b8 always falls on their own swords.

so yeah lets do that.

##unvote:
##vote: "" very insane ""

well to actually clarify i actually trust sbell alot. if im wrong about this well whatever! LOL

he'd have no reason to try and special VI when lynching red would do just as well
probably wouldnt have taken off anyway
he claims he isnt confident in Red, but at this point it doesnt look like he's trying to save scum (or doing a very bad job at it)
maybe Gravy felt not voting Red would make people more sympathetic to him

also this was the post that got Sbell to vote Gravy
and this

sbell we literally havent spoken in years and like, lmao you dont know me well enough to say any of that regardless

maybe one day you'll like, and i'm talking in 2020, stop pretending to be some all knowing avatar of my "habits" after i pass the age of 30. because the 20's didn't really work out. but i mean you tunnel me every game so /shrug

(had the wrong post in memory)
and you said

I said know you "enough".

That doesn't have to be a lot.

##Unvote

Feeling better.

I can see why you would unvote him now, but your post doesnt read to me like you were still defending your vote
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

fair enough on VI
day1 he doesnt do a lot usually

and yeah just found Lolo's list

---Strongly town---
Lolo: Nothing more trustworthy in a game of mafia than your own role PM.
KBM: Even though I like longshot conspiracy theories there ain't anything here to base one off of.
Death: Feels town to me; and is the player playing I've had the most experience with.
---Weakly town---
Dowolf: Have liked his arguments today for the most part. The one I didn't like was when he was saying a pez lynch would tell everyone nothing.
Plum: The long pauses for both Scare and Plum during that time reflect poorly on both, though of the two Plum seems more like town to me.
SBell: You're about as "neutral" as it comes, SBell. Stop being Swiss.
---inactive "pot calling kettle black" scumleans---
Phoenix: Feel slightly better about than red or VI, seems more genuine, but less... present, overall.
Red (Replaced Leo): Does he usually not vote? Not a fan, not seen much from him besides telling me off.
VeryInsane: Namedropped a lot d1 as people expecting better. Not seeing anything glaringly wrong here, just inactivity.
---of players that have actually played scumleans---
Scare: Pretty much solely on today's actions. Believe he did this as a scum gambit (and has the balls to do that).
Sceptile: Hasn't redeemed himself. Major shift between him on day 1 and day 2. Day 1 hammed up the pissiness knowing it would make him seem town. It's completely gone from his attitude today, his first post in particular is incredibly passive, completely voteless, goes from wanting Scare to be lynched first to confirming it being a lie giving ~80% odds on town.
pezloco: Scum. End.

at first glance, I cant find anything too wrong about it, aside from having only 1 actual suspect (pez doesnt really count at that point), but he could have gone either way on VI and red and I dont like that I cant say more about that

also nice of you to also answer my point about you dropping Gravy's vote so quickly, forgot to turn that into a question
I havent gotten to Gravy in detail yet, but I dont recall Gravy saying anything that notable as a response to your vote, just more anger
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

sorry, transitioned back to my home (sweet sweet vacation time)

kay I will ask
why did you seem to forget about red (and VI) for so long?
or to put it in a less assuming manner, what made you pursue Pez over red again day2? and Gravy day3?
(I can see why you went after sceptile)
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

dont know why i confused sbell for dowolf there
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

also thats true Dowolf, but nobody ever says 'red13n'

they just say 'red'
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

- But he keeps staying on sceptile and claims to be a BG at this point. He also says he doesnt remember why he protected VI. May mean nothing, but I feel its a point that needed to be noted. Based on his day2 comments about roleblocks, if Sbell is scum, he must have been planning this claim for some time. He could theoretically get away with it for 2 nights (blind roleblock night1, roleblock on KBM night2). Either way the claim didnt seem to have anything to do with him wanting to lynch sceptile. So I dont know why he'd claim it now as scum... other than maybe worrying about not getting a powerclaim in while town didnt have all of its power claimed.

- Okay then dowolf begins his push on red. No need to pick red when Scare and Gravy didnt look good either. So dowolf is the most town. Plum meanwhile pressures Scare and Bell shows interest in this too. Notedly, he assumes Scare will claim vanilla. I found this strange then and stranger now. He never answered me why he did this either (work was probably keeping his time on the board limited too, he barely posts in this hour).
And it comes, I vote red and so does Plum. Sbell says he is down for lynching red, and he calls everyone on that lynch town. But he also says he doesnt like anyone up for lynching right now (Gravy, Scare, I assume Sceptile as well) and keeps his options open. He keeps saying red is equally as bad as sceptile and claims to comit to red. But drops immediately to jump down on Gravy. He back away from Gravy too quite easily at that... after sceptile unvotes Gravy to put red back in the lead. By the time he does vote red, Red obviously is going to be the lynch. The wait was long enough after his Gravy unvote to see that.

not much to gleam from day4 and day4
day4s lynch was set in stone even if Plum waited to reveal his info
day5 everyone wanted to lynch scare

all in all, I can see a scumbell in here. However I wont make a judgment call until I've checked Gravy's posts, especially in relation to the red lynch (and I shall check Dowolfs too, just to be 100 % sure of myself)..

Not like anyone wants to NL this early, right?
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Sbell
- day1 he disagrees with plum that pez is giving off an overly helpful scum vibe, yet he does make efforts to point out posts of Pez that bother him and votes him early on.
- he also, like he reminded us, voted red day1 because he felt red was playing it safe. this was after Chris called red town and Sbell accused Chris of defending a scumbuddy. He dropped pez entirely for this too.
At least until day2 when he votez Pez right before KBm comes up with her claim. That is at least good timing and he doesnt get tempted by the Scare/Plum mess. (Though Pez was sacrificeable by now and looked pretty bad after day1, I cant see it as less than a nultell)
Less good is the fact that he didnt do much during end of day1. He kept asking people what they would do if Oddity flipped town and saying he was torn on Oddity. Not a condemning stance, but it feels like he just wanted to say 'I told you so' later on.
- He starts calling VI scum too day2. Would be more decent if everyone else wasnt doing the same by now. It didnt matter much on a day with a certain lynch anyway.

- Day3 though he pushes Gravy first, using his continuous attacks on Pez as proof of his reads being good for town. Then he shifts gears and chases Sceptile for his assassin 'slip'. When Sceptile brings up VI (who deliberately put attention on himself), Sbell startes to shows doubts about VI being scum.
He stays on Sceptile after he revealed he was slept with. He also assumes the Prosty is town and wants it to claim. He also asks for a massclaim. Finally someone points out that Sbell voted red day1 but that his opinions on red havent gotten an update since then. Sbell just copies his post from day1 about red.
This one btw.

Ok I just read through all of RED which is literally just Page 4 of Topic 2. after his replace in he provided no content other than confusion and in Topic 2 he did nothing until Page 4 where he finally announced he'd caught up, and gave nearly no opinions on anything other than "This person has done nothing, That person has done nothing" Gives a blow by blow of Oddity / Sceptile but not an opinion, mentions the Scare/Chris feud but not an opinion and then throws shade at me for thinking both Scare and Chris are town.
Now lets pretend that I am not SBELL and I am just looking at Red's body of work. It oozes, "I need to post to look like i'm trying and that i've read the game but i need to be careful cause I replaced into someone with a lot of suspicion on them already and I dont want to go down with that ship." I am not throwing counter attacks at Red. Red legit looks BAD when you go through everything he hasn't done this game so far. And now he's not going to be around all day?
I for one have at least put myself out there and formed opinions on some folks. Red played it safe.
##Unvote
##Vote: Red

cont'd
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

sidenote
its fucking annoying to ctrl+f for 'VI' and 'red'
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

oh there was a 2nd page I somehow missed
my post was a response to dowolf delaying his NL for me

and I wouldnt even start hypothesizing deaths
scum can do one kill or the other and we'd forever WIFOM whether or not it made someone look good or bad
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

thanks

will be working first, but after that I am free to scour the archives and see the context of events (like the red lynch or sbells day1 votes)
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I see what you are saying

I did consider towns power, and it does seem too much from what we know about the scumteam by now

I didnt consider that if sbell is telling the truth, scum shot KBM without fear of KBM being protected or anything (But if they blocked KBM, nobody could counter Sbells block)

also it was sbells vote that almost took red away from the lynch on day3..

aahh.. I need to process all this with a clearer head
goodnight for now
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

also if we do want to go down the NL path first (it cant hurt us, is my thinking on it)
we should still use as much of this day as we can
need time to investigate past topics (well, tomorrow that is. I am not staying awake for the next eight hours)
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

ugh..
damnit

too tired too use my brain
didnt even get a lot of time to regroup my thoughts, what I got is..

logically I feel Gravy has to be the last scum, he makes the most sense to be
but I am way less certain about that now than I was about Scare yesterday

Sbell.. I dont know, plums detective scan reveals a roleblocker does exist
would the roleblocker fake blocking himself at the start of the game? under what circumstances did sbell claim again?

dowolf I trust mostly of his push against red and his reckless-to the point of endangering his image-defense of pez
though I do think he should claim today, get all the info on the table
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

man
why is this still going?
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

anyway, I am out for the night
you have my blessing to do whatever
(except lynching sceptile, no dont do that...)
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Red also ignored Scare when I briefly placed my vote back on Scare to try and get a claim out of him
also there's that terrible voteswitch Pez made from Scare to Plum during KBMgate
(though I wonder if Pez even cared about how he looked at that point)
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

lynch sceptile?

like
fucking
what?

okay, supposing Scare is town (highly doubt it, but suppose)
how will it help to postpone the argument about him to a Mylo/Lylo day?

yes scum could kill, say, me or Dowolf after the Sceptile lynch and NL and decrease the pool
but we'd shrink the pool as well by simply lynching Scare and having scum kill Sceptile and someone else after the NL

I may be tired, but I am pretty sure the math does not check out
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I agree
I dont know if anyone wants to use the full 48 hours
but I will put my vote down in case the answer to that is no

##Vote: Scare
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I must confess I am guilty to weekend laziness
I at least went through red and VI's posts
red kept calling Scare and Gravy his scumreads and never mentioned Sbell. he bothered Dowolf a little day1, but that was about it.
I cant tell whether he was genuinely angry with Gravy or faking it, allthough genuine anger might still be a nultell anyway

VI voted Scare day1, but wasnt around for the oddity push and Scare's lynch was already out of steam by then
He keeps calling Scare likely scum, but he doesnt make a move day2 during the Pez/KBm debacle. probably because he was hoping people were actually going to lynch Plum
day3 he wants investigate Gravy/me/Sceptile but later says he plans to settle on scare
yet hes not picking a side between Red or Gravy near the end, hell he doesnt even vote

it wasnt very illuminating to me
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

technically
we can do the NL a day later too
cant we?
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

any reason not to?
outside of getting to say you went a whole game unclaimed (which might be easy, since Scare is probably scum anyway)
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I do want to kill Scare for his hammer out of nowhere
but yes lets not rush this day
give me some time to read up on the flipped scum here

also I am not sure how good a NL will work for us
Sceptile is right in that he's probably the next to die and scum has no obligation to narrow down the suspects after that

and please dont put the thought of Survivor in my head (what would even fit, flavorwise??)

btw if I recall, Dowolf hasnt claimed yet, has he?
I trust him the most after Sceptile and Sbell, and Scare is probably the final scum
and we probably dont get more power anyway
still, I cant help but be curious
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

but thats like years from now
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

no need to finish the massclaim now either
did everyone chime in yet?
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

and then they shot me instead just to be a double dick
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I think we can use the half day this time
...allthough in that case I would need to warn everyone that sunday is a busy day for me
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

aha!
4 nights in a row
then I died on the 5th
my score is safe yet!
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Obellisk posted...

htaeD posted...

I would be concerned with how often you pre-emptively complain about being blocked, Sbell

but again, I had roleblockfun two games ago, so if you're town you're probably right

3 in a row. If I don't get blocked tonight I'll be amazed.

Ill have to check what my record is
brb
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Sceptilesolar posted...

Obellisk posted...

So, vi targeted phoenix, he won't flip blocker. That's just not possible.

So tonight they still get to use their nk and the roleblock, so it's safe to assume that plum is out and I'm roleblocked a 4th time. Yippeeeeeee.

With two confirmed town in scept and sbell, that means the two of us get two chances to find the scum in scare dowolf death and gravy. Sorry gravy still not as co firmed as me and scept

Are you sure? In the games I'm used to, the roleblocker can't also nightkill the same night.

if I remember correctly, they can double up on actions once they're the last member left
no way to be sure if Reg and Mzero rule differently, but I am not optimistic
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

I would be concerned with how often you pre-emptively complain about being blocked, Sbell

but again, I had roleblockfun two games ago, so if you're town you're probably right
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

No I mean in the sense that if VI is Godfather, Sceptile would have to be a RB to be scum
unless Sbell lied, Sceptile would have been seen getting up on night2 (and Sbell and Scept cant be scum together unless scum have 5 members, and that doesnt seem balanced to me)
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

well maybe you can paraphrase your reasoning
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

Uh
I do not see why not
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

ah
neato

also that should put all talk about a scumplum making a powerplay to rest
if VI flips town, Plum'd know we would lynch him next

but I was pretty sure VI was scum anyway

##Vote: VeryInsane

also if VI is Godfather, then Sceptile is almost definitely cleared
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

probably not
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice

if Gravy is scum, he probably is not the roleblocker with how red went after him

but I dont want to dive into any rabbitholes just yet
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3DS FC: 3437-4283-5849 IGN: Alice