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Mal_Fet posted...

How about pulling old women to the ground and stealing their stuff? That's included in the things they do, right?

Sure. I'm not denying that or defending it. My point is that domestic violence / facial disfigurement sink even lower.

Mal_Fet posted...

Wtf? No it fucking isn't!

Why are you trying so hard to defend a group that supports assaulting women based on which politician they support?

I'm not defending them. Their use of violence is wrong. All I'm saying is that what is pictured in the images is not the same as examples like the one you used above.

There are certainly things they do that can be criticized, so there's no need for 4channers to create images like the ones pictured to attribute to them. If what is pictured is in their rhetoric, then why not point to that instead?

Mal_Fet posted...

Look, even if you believe all the images are a false flag, it's undeniable that Antifa agrees with all of them. Why can't you just admit that?

Again, these images are a far cry from what they've advocated.

The first image, for example, calls for violence against 53% of women because they apparently voted for Trump, which is way beyond "bash the fash" (which is more figurative anyway). Domestic violence / deliberately giving women facial disfigurements goes way further too.

Even if you accept that they are for civil disobedience / using force in standing up to fascists at rallies and such like, that doesn't necessarily mean they support giving women facial disfigurements. The use of force encompasses a wide variety of actions, ranging from blocking / pushing against people at the less severe end, facial disfigurement further along the spectrum and mutilation, torture murder and rape at the more extreme end.

Another difference is that these images single out women, which I'm not aware of them doing. Not discounting women is one thing, but specifically calling for violence (facial disfigurement in this instance) against them is another.

Have they been violent / do they support violence? Absolutely. I'm just not convinced they support going this far. And again, the fact of the matter is that they didn't create these images.

darkjedilink posted...

So, again, ZERO actual proof these are fake.

You can't claim 'disorganized group' AND claim things that make you look bad done in your name are fake.

Roxborough4Ever posted...

so its just his opinion its fake

Again, the thread is there for everyone to see. I won't like it since it's 4chan, but you can verify it yourself. The thread is #138779333. It's the second of several.

On the Twitter accounts, there are various links in the GQ article.

Missandei
Tyene Sand if she's the one I'm thinking of
And uh... Rob Stark's wife/gf was p cute

Mal_Fet posted...

Why not, it's not like they're terribly discerning to begin with.

The outrage seems to come from the fact that these pictures are specifically targeting women, but I've never once heard an Antifa yell "Bash the fash....unless the fash is a lady!"

Even then, that's a far cry from justifying violence against all women. Still, it's a fact that this is a meme campaign by /pol. The topic (#138779333) is there for all to see.

Mr_MacPhisto posted...

A lot of CEmocrats on this board seem pretty desperate to defend and support Antifa.

Strange and very concerning.

Just pointing out the fake news that Trump loves to rail against.

Mal_Fet posted...

How can they tell if this is fake? Isn't this exactly in-line with Antifa's rhetoric?

The plot was uncovered on 4chan's /pol. There was a topic there with the original template (the Anna Friel image IIRC). They were then tweeted from fake Antifa accounts: https://www.gq.com/story/fake-antifa-accounts

And regardless of what you think of Antifa, even this would be a bit much for them. Advocating domestic violence against all white women because a lot of them supposedly voted for Trump?

With so much nonsense out there, you pretty much have to take everything with a pinch of salt these days.

Funnily, the Wikipedia page says: "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (August 2017)"

The Talk page for people's objections: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Antifa_(United_States)#.23

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41036631

Classy.

It gives you more of an interest and makes it more exciting. People go too far, definitely, but it's not any more meaningless than a lot of things.

Best of both worlds: Add games to the SNES Mini.

*runs*

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

How about . . . hard fucking Brexit and kick out the some migrants and all illegals/refugees.

What does this story have to do with Brexit? Pakistan and nearby countries ain't in the EU.

I can see it now: we reduce EU immigration (including skilled German, French, etc. workers that are net contributors to the economy), but the "wrong" kind of immigration (in the eyes of Brexiters) goes up to plug the gap. If we want trade deals with the likes of India to make up for any lost trade from Brexit, they're going to demand easier / visa-free migration.

Pretty much. There are other story events, of course. E.g. full moon dungeons / bosses, certain holidays / time off school, etc.

Funkydog posted...

I mean, wasn't she the one suspended for all her anti semitism? It wouldn't surprise me she did support such idiocy, if she spouts hatred elsewhere in her life.

Labour needs to cut ties with idiots like her, if it wants to ever actually succeed, they are only hurting it when it is already down.

Yeah, she was. I believe it was a mistake in this instance though, given her past comments in this area.

I do agree they should drop her. She's too prone to gaffes like this.

No, she didn't. It's an idiotic mistake, sure, but she's not the one that said it.

Still, she does shit like this all the time. She's a liability to the party.

Hopefully. That'd be great.

Japanese devs haven't been the most supportive of mods (although most devs aren't to be fair), but maybe this is a sign of change.

Mal_Fet posted...

If I ever meet the thug who did this I swear to god they'll never find him

Seeking peace through violence? :P

First past the post is shit.

Sephiroth1288 posted...

There is no strict definition. That's why I ask.

Since you're a brit, maybe you know of the youtuber Sargon of Akkad? He gets called right-wing all the time even though he doesn't meet most of your criteria. Is he therefore left-wing?

I've heard of him, but don't know enough about him or his views to comment.

The terms seem to differ a bit in their use depending on where you live (particularly in Europe and the US) and how far back you trace them.

As a Brit, I think that right-wing views are:

Pro class structure (seeing it as inevitable / traditional / desirable)
Pro established religion (and government backing for it and its values, to varying extents depending on how far right you are), "family values" in the US.
Pro national identity (and, further right, ethnic homogeneity / certain groups being inferior) / patriotism
Pro rule of law / respect for authority (in extreme cases, authoritarian)

Modern moderate flavors seem to accept liberal democracy and capitalism.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

Firefox is better for privacy / ad-blocking at least: https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/support-ublock-origin/6746/451

In terms of speed, I don't notice too much difference on my own systems. Firefox is more customizable too I think.

If you care about speed / don't care about privacy/customization, Chrome is probably the better choice.

I enjoyed the first one (didn't play the second although I hear it was better), but it was pretty difficult at times. The death scenes were interesting though...

I'm not expecting much from this one.

eston posted...

The main things I remember about this game are how sexually exploitative it was and that the number of discs exceeded the number of hours you spend playing

There were 4, but I remember you had to switch back to disc 2 for a particular ending for some reason.

The Germans had their U-Boat fleet too. I'm not totally sure how effective it was (until the Enigma code was cracked), but I think it was fairly so.

Kneel before your corporate overlords.

Yeah, I'm not really a fan.

It kinda sucks in Diablo II (not that I ever die :P).

Just came across Scottish People Twitter again after completely forgetting it existed.

https://i.redd.it/velufeijfwgz.jpg

It's the only gen I haven't played, but it does seem like I'd enjoy it. The PWT looks like a lot of fun.

From what I've seen, gen V is quite divisive though. People either seem to love it or hate it. I think I'd be in the first camp.

It's sad that we live in age where it can be hard to distinguish between satire and actual opinions. :(

Lolwut. Hopefully satire.

There are people/companies looking to cash in on the phenomenon, that much is true, but to say they're in on "faking" it? Haha.

Edit: Supposedly it's a parody of Alex Jones style conspiracy theories. It does seem like a pretty safe bet.

Calwyn posted...

Also, how could you guys forget the two (three counting the Japan only one) Fire Emblem games? Those have to count as SRPG's too.

Oh yeah, I knew I forgot something. FE7 is great. My save battery is dead though. :(

The cynical person would say they're milking Skyrim / ESO.

The hopeful person would say they're working on it / trying to come up with something that'll push the genre forward. A new, modern engine wouldn't go amiss.

Maybe it's a bit of both.

I wasn't really disappointed in the sense that the library was still fantastic without them. It would have been nice to have more though, like the DS and 3DS.

Incidentally, what genre do you consider the Battle Network games? Action RPGs? What about the Legacy of Goku I/II and Buu's Fury?

You had other (Japanese) ARPGs like the Shining Soul and Summon Knight games.

There were also quite a few SRPGs, like Tactics Ogre, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Super Robot Taisen, etc.

Tmk posted...

"did Nazi that coming!" jokes.

Yep.

The guy on the right in the third pic has the look of someone with a few bodies under their patio.

uwnim posted...

Anyways, this sounds funny. Probably why it is so easy to find their stuff online despite them being so against it. They know they might need to use the pirated versions themselves. >_>

It's a strange one if true. There have been companies that have lost games and their code.

stone posted...

Funny how you argue against it in this specific case, but are all about emulation and downloading stuff for free the rest of the time
Hypocrite/troll much?

Piracy isn't theft! It's copying! It'd be like copying a chair someone bought without touching the original!

Nintendo pirated a ROM, so they're thieves! It'd be like stealing back a chair someone bought and saying, "It's ours!"

I think intellectual property and copyright laws in their current form are a lot of shit, but I'm not sure this is illegal under those laws, given that they own the IP and reserve the right to do what they want with it.

If true, Nintendo are being massive hypocrites though. "It's that simple and not open to debate," and yet they did it...

Rika_Furude posted...

but they don't own the rom. they have no right to take someone elses property

The article says the .NES file matches those "found online", i.e. it was available for anyone to download. If I make a file available and people download it, then they do have a right to take it, assuming no other laws are being broken.

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Regardless of this silly stealing rhetoric, I'd hope an official Nintendo game I bought had higher quality assurance than being a ROM ripped from the innernet

The quality wouldn't differ in theory though. If the ROM matches the game (which is easy to verify), then there's no difference in quality whatsoever. Code is code.

As long as no-one mentions Super Metroid, we're good. They certainly aren't perfect and are improved on in later games, but they're still alright for the most part.

Oh, and despite being my favorite game, Deus Ex's default (PC) controls are awful, although they're fully customizable. Semi-colon for reload, F12 for the flashlight (which uses a lot of bioelectric energy), etc.

It's a little bit like this here in the UK, although certainly not 50%. More like 20% if you include the underemployed and "inactive" people. 14% without the former.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/unemployment-in-the-uk-is-now-so-low-its-in-danger-of-exposing-the-lie-used-to-create-the-numbers-2017-7

It's maybe a surprise to some, but not to economists / people with some knowledge of economics. This sort of methodology is common I think, although whether it's the right measure to use is another matter.

eston posted...

Interesting how all of this revolves around currency that is produced and regulated by the government

On that note, I read an article by a tax expert recently, and he claimed that taxation is not for public spending (the currency created by central banks is), but to recover excess money from the economy and prevent inflation. It was an interesting take on things.

Asherlee10 posted...

This should be the end of this topic.

And even if they don't (doubtful), pretty much every company and organization depends on roads and other infrastructure.

_RETS_ posted...

It is also very different times though. The internet and how thoroughly interconnected the entire world is now would make it very hard for something insidious like that to happen without there being oppositionand outrage much earlier on

You're probably right. The internet is a powerful propaganda tool that can be used for the opposite purpose though. The difference is that no one group controls it, at least at the moment. Although there are powerful corporations that control large parts of it (and governments can get their tentacles into it too).

The other relatively comforting thing is that Hitler was a bit of a special case. He knew how to keep his more insidious opinions to himself early on and was a great orator, among other things. Although, fascism did rise in other countries like Italy and Spain.

VectorChaos posted...

We're also not in the position Germany was in when Hitler began rising to power.

The Treaty of Versailles' effects on Germany after WWI are why he was able to do what he did.

True. Another Wall Street crash type event coupled with the rise of automation and potential mass job losses could be a catalyst though.

But yeah, it'd probably take a combination of many large events like that for things to get that bad. Even then, there were a variety of factors that allowed fascism to rise beyond just the economy, so the chances of it happening are pretty low admittedly.

_RETS_ posted...

It is also very different times though. The internet and how thoroughly interconnected the entire world is now would make it very hard for something insidious like that to happen without there being oppositionand outrage much earlier on

You're probably right. The internet is a powerful propaganda tool that can be used for the opposite purpose though. The difference is that no one group controls it, at least at the moment. Although there are powerful corporations that control large parts of it (and governments can get their tentacles into it too).

VectorChaos posted...

I keep seeing people make comparisons to pre-WWII appeasement.

I wasn't aware that American Neo-nazis were seizing territory and invading other nations with a government backed military.

The point is, that didn't happen overnight. It gradually happened over a number of years (decades even) and snowballed. As mentioned above, Hitler only had a handful of supporters early on, but through careful manoeuvring, that grew massively.

Again though, I condemn violence (unless out of genuine self-defence). Still, don't underestimate how things could progress. Thankfully, the chances are that they won't go that far (especially given the knowledge of what has gone before), but you have to be vigilant.

_RETS_ posted...

Through political means. Using violence against Nazis in WW2 was necessary because they were a massive militarized force with full government backing because they were the government. As awful as this last weekend was, the alt-right is a vast minority of conservatives. More violence is not going to stamp them out, just like more violence in the ME continues to radicalize. It will only fuel the victim complex that they have dedicated their pitiful lives to and lead to further violence. There is a path to resolution that doesn't require both sides to continue to be violent.

But you are completely missing the point. If the violence was being directed exclusively toward neo-nazis, then there would be a better case for it. But there is precedent of their misdirected aggression victimizing those who do not fall in that category. Giving a movement that authority and support to determine who should and shouldn't receive their violence is a mistake because as we have often seen, they will paint with a broad brush to justify violence against anyone who doesn't share their every view. And what is that, if not fascism?

It's a tough one, because obviously you don't want it to get to the stage where neo-Nazis are anywhere near government or are otherwise in a position to spread or put into action their ideology. In the early days of Hitler trying to obtain power, he and his cronies were a "vast minority" also, and we all know how that went. People may think it couldn't happen in the US (and hopefully they're right), but underestimate that level of hatred at your peril.

I absolutely agree that going on the offensive can easily backfire and drag in people who aren't neo-Nazis, and I condemn anyone who does that.

I do, however, support counter-protesting at neo-Nazi rallies, peacefully if at all possible, and confronting these views head-on. Attacking them is wrong, and any violence should only be in self-defence, as much of it was (although some admittedly wasn't). It's a fine line, but they should certainly be kept in check IMO. Let them protest, but let those that want to confront their ideology do so as well (at those same rallies).

Some of my favorites:

Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
Big Battle


Muladhara


Hunting ~ Comrades


Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin (SotN, SCIV, RoB, etc. are great, but PoR is my favorite honestly)
The Gears Go Awry


Silent Prison


Crucifix Held Close


Killer7
Blackburn


Dissociative Identity


Sweet Blue Flag


Metroid Prime
Tallon Overworld


Sunken Frigate


Phendrana Drifts


Shadow of the Colossus
The Opened Way


A Despair-Filled Farewell


Revived Power


Super Robot Taisen Alpha
Dark Prison


Messenger From The Void


Marionette Messiah


Skies of Arcadia
Military Facility Dungeon


Last Battle ~ Opportunity


Little Jack


Metal Gear Solid 3
Battle in the Base


Escape Through The Woods


The Fury


Metal Gear Solid
Warhead Storage


The Best Is Yet To Come


Escape

There are things you need to do for offline mode to work. I think one is to turn on a setting to save your login in details. You also need to go online at least once IIRC.

For updates, you can right click on games, go to settings and turn updates off or toggle other options.

Steam has been known for randomly turning updates back on though.