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The popularity for this toy reminds me of that episode of Leverage where they create manufactured hype and demand for that ugly as sin doll that every middle class soccer mom wanted for their kid. It is ridiculous how people are searching everywhere for them.

On topic though, that's awesone TC. Very good use of your resources!
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They better not base Splatoon 2 on 13 Reasons Why either.
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Congrats! Is that the qualifying exam?
I passed mine in December. Now I am working on my dissertation proposal.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

seriously? what the f*** do you think happens to stuff inside a microwave?

To be fair, if you only read the OP and topic title (and not the article), it only claims she put the baby in there. He didn't say she actually turned it on.
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My wife and I are currently waiting months to find a baby to adopt after failing to conceive on our own for years, and yet human scum such as this is allowed to have kids so easily.

What a world.
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Everyone keeps saying it sucks but won't give an actual reason why. Why does it suck, in your opinion? Legitimately asking because I didn't see anything wrong or offensive about it.

Kinda reminds me of The Goldbergs but with a child who is even less socially adjusted. Looks like your run-of-the-mill single camera sitcom to me.

Or are people just hating it because it's associated with BBT?
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Doom_Art posted...

iPhone_7 posted...

Well that's better than how the FBI Director found out he was fired. Comey found out when someone changed the tv to the news. He had to drive all the way back to the airport, was almost forced to get on a commercial flight because it wasn't known whether or not he still had clearance to the original plane.

His name was Jim Comey

He used to be an FBI Director.
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This is getting insane.
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Skilled trades are thrown around very often as the alternative to a college degree. What most people don't understand is how difficult it is to actually get a job as a plumber/electrician/carpenter.

In addition to the rigorous amount of education you need (can be 2-4 years depending on what you specialize in, and remember, that costs money), you need to have an apprenticeship of varying lengths. That apprenticeship could be paid or nonpaid. And even if paid, it's not going to be the amounts you see full servicemen paid. After your apprenticeship, you then have to be a journeyman (sometimes the same in some fields). Basically, all your work has to be supervised and signed off on by a full serviceman.

And you have to apply for those. A plumber isn't just going to take like 10 journeymen. It's like a residency. You apply for it and they select the ones that will help them with their job. And you have to log hours, which can sometimes take years.

Keep in mind that while you do all of this, you still need to eat, pay bills, and live your life. That is a very costly lifestyle for a person who started off poor to begin with.

Once you finally qualify to be a full service man, you can either work for a company or start your own business. Working for a company is more stable and secure, but it's just as competitive applying for those jobs than applying for jobs with college degrees. And starting your own business is just that: your own business. You have to market yourself, know how to do your taxes, accounts payable, etc. Not everyone can do that.

I have known many plumbers and electricians that have gone broke trying to kick something off the ground. The various costs for licensure, fees for permits to work in certain areas, and wait times after finally being certified are just additional barriers after all the education you obtain.

And that's without even getting into talent. If you don't have a knack for that trade, you're gonna get steamrolled by the competition.
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Balrog0 posted...

I guess I would add that there are probably many students (of all income levels) who would benefit from a less traditional higher ed experience

This I can fully stand behind. I am extremely critical of the current higher education system as it is and I'm trying to build a strong enough reputation to one day push a new kind of university system that majorly transforms higher education (assuming that doesn't already happens before I get there).
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Balrog0 posted...

I didn't say going for a degree was a bad idea. I don't think higher ed is a very good equalizer any more, though, if it ever was. That's all.

Fair enough. I'd only argue that it is an equalizer to an extent, but a lot of that has to do with the type of college you go to.

For example, a first generation student from a poor family with a poor academic history would be much better off going to a community college than a 4-year institution. Likewise, if they are more gifted, they may do better in a public liberal arts college, because those are cheaper and are chock-full of scholarships specifically targeting high-performing poor students.

In my experience, the students who struggle and leave college early are ones that went to the wrong type of college. Either one that didn't match their financial, academic, or geographical needs.

One of our biggest challenges as college administrators is making sure high school students make the correct choice for which college to go to in order to be successful. If I know a student won't succeed at my school, I will flat out tell them and save them the money.

The problem is with increasing budget issues, enrollment quotas are making it harder for universities to turn down anyone and they'll take anyone who shows remote interest and have that sweet government money.
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Balrog0 posted...

Zanzenburger posted...

They call higher education "the great equalizer" in administrative circles because it gives everyone, from the poor to the rich, a fresh start.

meanwhile...
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/06/02/college_graduation_rates_for_low_income_students_why_poor_kids_drop_out.html

At every level of academic ability, the low-income students were less likely to finish college than their wealthier peers. Yet more depressing: Exceptionally smart poor kids, whose math scores ranked them among the top quarter of the study's participants, were no more likely to attain a bachelor's degree than scholastically middling rich kids.

Of course there is much more work to be done. But that doesn't stop the fact that of the ones that do succeed, tend to do much better than their non-college graduated counterparts.

The point I'm making is that students who go to college and graduate do much better than those who do not. That leaves the point of those who go to college and don't graduate but that is a separate issue entirely.

Just because some poorer students are struggling doesn't invalidate the great advantage of the college degree. Instead, it just further validates it to the point that we need to work harder to keep them in college. And we're working at it, trust me.
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Dr. MacadamianNut3 posted...

College is for dummies and squares

Dr. MacadamianNut3 posted...

Dr. MacadamianNut3

Dr.

Yessir.
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Yes, studies have consistently shown that people with a college degree, on average, make significantly more than those with just a high school diploma.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/11/study-income-gap-between-young-college-and-high-school-grads-widens

The Pew Research Center has found that the earnings gap between millennials with bachelor’s degrees and those with just a high school diploma is wider than it was for prior generations.

Among millennials ages 25 to 32, median annual earnings for full-time working college-degree holders are $17,500 greater than for those with high school diplomas only. That gap steadily widened for each successive generation in the latter half of the 20th century. As of 1986, the gap for late baby boomers ages 25 to 32 was just more than $14,200, and for early boomers in 1979, it was far smaller at $9,690. The gap for millennials is also more than twice as large as it was for the silent generation in 1965, when the gap for that cohort was just under $7,500 (all figures are in 2012 dollars).


A lot of people counter with the unemployment issues of people with college degrees. Well, guess what, that issue is even worse for high school grads.


The gap has widened considerably, yet many young college graduates are underemployed – how do those two facts square with each other? It’s not just that earnings are improving for college graduates, says one of the report’s authors, it’s that life for high school-only graduates has gotten tougher.

“There’s a reason we call this report ‘The Rising Cost of Not Going to College,'” says Paul Taylor, executive vice president of special projects at the Pew Research Center.

“The driver of that widening is not so much that today’s college graduates are doing better than yesterday’s college graduates are doing; it’s that today’s high school-only graduates are doing worse than yesterday’s high school-only graduates,” he says. “The real story is the collapse in economic opportunity for people who do not continue their education beyond high school.”


They call higher education "the great equalizer" in administrative circles because it gives everyone, from the poor to the rich, a fresh start. It puts you all in the same relative starting line. The success of a college graduate depends less on how rich or poor you were prior to college, and instead depends on how well you performed while in college. Sure, richer/legacy students will have an advantage there because parents have more resources to help them excel in college. But the average student, regardless of their socioeconomic background or class status, becomes more competitive in college depending on how they use their time and the resources for which they take advantage.

You will always have that person who can make themselves rich or at least comfortable by starting a business, developing an app, or going to trade school. But that is more of an exception to the norm.
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Also, just thought of another one. Sibling rivalries. That is so overdone in any show or movie with kids in it. Like, it's one thing to be jealous of your brother/sister.

But shows and movies make siblings the worst enemies imaginable. Like they hate each others' guts until some outside force makes them realize they really do care for each other. But most of the time it's sibling wars, competitions, trying to one-up each other, and jealousy.

Most siblings are not that regularly antagonistic towards each other.
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masterpug53 posted...

Someone earlier mentioned the villain who's always six steps ahead no matter what, and I'd like to echo that. Heath Ledger's Joker is the only villain I can think of who can get away with this, but just barely. Flawed villains who occasionally get the piss knocked out of them on the road to the final showdown are the best villains.

And I've always this type of plot: guy lies to girl to win her affection, gets caught in the lie, sees the error in his ways, does some elaborate spectacle to win her back. Or alternately, guy gets caught in a compromising situation, girl thinks the worst, guy does some elaborate spectacle to win her back. One of my favorite bits in the original Austin Powers is when Vanessa catches Austin with the fembots, he stammers through a this-isn't-what-it-looks-like explanation, and she smirks and says 'okay Austin, I believe you. Now get dressed!' That killed me the first time I saw the movie.

It's funny that you used Austin Powers as an example for your second point, as I was going to use that movie as an example for your first point. I think one of the reasons that Dr. Evil became so popular as a character is because he was a flawed villain. He was just as incompetent as Austin Powers but was just smart enough to make his plans successful up until the final act. It's much more fun to see a villain struggle to get to where they are in the climax then to just have them skate by. It makes them feel like they "earned" that world domination scheme.

But yeah, I definitely enjoy how that movie just subverts tropes.
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bluezero posted...

Protagonist is sent on some journey or mission. Their guide/partner/whatever is a beautiful single person that you know is only there for a love interest.

Even worse when the guide/partner/whatever makes it clear from the beginning they have a significant other, only for you to later realize the significant other is either evil/a jerk/even the main antagonist, making the protagonist the perfect rebound partner.
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Who are you?
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Funkdamental posted...

- Workaholic dad learns the wisdom that family is everything, after ungrateful brat complains that dad's too busy earning the money that gives the family their comfortable lifestyle.

This one makes me rage the most. Half the time, the dad isn't even a workaholic. He just does what a normal middle-class American does based on today's job culture and requirements. Yet he's made out to be the bad guy.

And it's usually by an angry wife who (99% of the time) doesn't hold a job of her own. And in the end, the movie feels the need to hammer home the fact that the wife was right all along, despite that "ignore your job" behavior is a quick trip to unemployment and homelessness.
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Shows/movies where the villain is always ridiculously 6 steps ahead of the protagonists. Like, no matter what the protagonists do, the villain had anticipated that or has like fifteen backup plans to further advance his/her cause. It's always one step forward, two steps back.

The Following is especially guilty of this (made worse by the incompetence of the protagonists) as well as Captain America: Civil War (thought at least we got an entertaining movie out of it).
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Error1355 posted...

I went into this topic going 'wtf is a loli phone'

lol

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Nomadic View posted...

No, an adult man putting his arm around a teenage girl is not creepy to normal people unless there is an obvious sexual innuendo, which is not the case in the vast majority of societal customs...such as taking a photograph.

I reckon you don't work in the education field. If it's a girl on a team you coach, it's fine because you have built rapport with them. But think of large events where a principal takes a picture with every student that gets an award.

I have taken dozens of parent complaints about teachers and administrators displaying inappropriate behavior with their kids. They never amount to any formal charges, but the complaints are there and they sometimes get vocal. Parents can be ridiculously unreasonable. Perhaps it's me jaded from dealing with all these parent complaints on others that I prefer to be cautious, but it is what it is.
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MACisBack posted...

That's great to hear Zanzen and hopefully you'll get what you wanted.

What is the typical waiting time for adoption?

It varies based on what you want. If you are willing to take a 10-year old. You can probably get a match in 2 or 3 cycles (1 cycle = 1 month). If you want a teen, you should be able to get one the moment you apply.

But if you want an infant or toddler (the majority of adoptive parents want this), it's like a lottery. A friend of mine got picked on the first month she qualified, but another family has been waiting 3 years and nothing. We currently have 500 families wanting kids between the ages of 0-4. So we have a lot of competition.
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Nomadic View posted...

If she's willing to stand next to you and take a picture, she's not going to be that concerned if you touch her shoulder.

The issue is if you're a 30 year old man taking a pic with a 16-year old girl (which happens if you work closely in nonprofits or education). Especially at places like award ceremonies where you don't even know them. If you just stand next to them with your arms to yourself you seem pretty stiff, but if you wrap your arm around them that's seen as creepy. I can see how hover-handing would come natural. But it does look ridiculous.

Your best bets in those situations are either look like a stiff and just keep your arms to yourself or do the "politician hug" that I described above where you just put your hand on her back.
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MACisBack posted...

My son yes, and the story.

My son went from getting sick to strep throat then when we get near the end of the amoxicillin treatment, my son had an allergic reaction to the medicine. A few days later he tripped and split his lip (4 stitches).

So after all the things finally settled down and the good thing was he no longer sucks his thumb.

The only thing now is my wife's blood pressure is high so we have been going back an forth to find out what's going on.

Thanks for remembering me Zanzen.

@Zanzenburger
Also, how's the adoption process going for you? Hows the family(hope all is well)?

Oh wow, that escalated quickly. Glad all is relatively better. Best of wishes for your wife.

All is well on my end. I'm on month 4 waiting for kid matches, nothing confirmed yet. My wife and I did get daring and applied for four babies/toddlers sibling group, as they probably have a very low chance of getting adopted otherwise. We're both crazy enough to take on the challenge, lol. But first we actually would have to be selected for them, or one of the other kids we applied for.
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I'm more susceptible to it either when I'm taking pictures with women much older than me and of higher authority (like when I took a pic with our female governor once), or when I'm taking pictures with high school/young college students so that I don't come off as a creep. If they're around my age, it's not a problem.

Though the best fix I've found regarding women much older or teens is usually just putting my palm flat on their back as we take the picture. It's worked out pretty well. I've seen older people and politicians do that and it comes off as more natural in the picture (and it's not as creepy as it sounds), personal but not too personal and no hover handing. Just don't let your hand go too low and you'll be fine.
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Kitepitou posted...

Sonic just has the weirdest fans, you have never heard about furries? I advise you to keep your sanity and never google about it.

I'm familiar with furries, I guess I've somehow dodged a bullet regarding the Sonic fanfic hysteria from years back.
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How is it that only today am I learning that it's apparently a thing where people have historically made Sonic OCs? Why the Sonic series, of all series? What makes that series more susceptible to OC creation than the Mario Series, Animal Crossing, or heck, even Spyro/Skylanders?
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MACisBack posted...

Not at all.

@MACisBack
Are your wife and kid feeling better, bud? Last time we chatted, you told me they weren't feeling well.
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Nah, not once have I missed the single life. Dating was just too much work and I love having someone who just gets me.

Parappa09 posted...

not needing to shower if you're gonna stay indoors all day

I don't have to anyways. She doesn't care. Or we'll shower together and that's enough motivation right there. :)

Parappa09 posted...

staying up all night playing video games

She usually stays up playing them with me. Great to be married to a girl who likes video games.

Parappa09 posted...

going abroad whenever you want

I hate travelling. But even if I liked it, I could just bring her with me?

Parappa09 posted...

not having to worry about what to cook for dinner, what food to buy, cleaning the house or domestic stuff

She often cooks and we split our chores pretty evenly. Makes life a lot easier. And in my case, we live on campus so we eat at the campus cafeteria.

Parappa09 posted...

binge TV shows without checking with partner if they want to watch

Binging is our favorite thing to do. We binge our favorite shows together and watch the shows the other doesn't like only when we're apart.


Not once since I've been married have I thought "man, this would have been better if I was single". She's pretty chill with me flirting so I do it all the time. And I have no desire to sleep around. We keep things interesting enough in the bedroom to keep sex fresh.
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DevsBro posted...

Wow did Zanzen just become a mod or have I just not been paying attention at all?

Since September.
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I think that has the best Mario overworld/hub world ever. I probably spent more time messing around in the island than I did in the actual levels. Just so much to do and all the little easter eggs and hidden sprites were fun.
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19th century Southern Bell

Are you saying I'm pretty? :D
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tremain07 posted...

Okay, I just looked through TBS line up and it seems like it's yet another Seth Macfarland dumping ground with old shows like King of Queens, Sienfield and Big Bang Theory reruns in between Conan and those two from the daily show's tv shows. I guess Tyler Parry moved back to BET? I've never watched Conan but it seems like he's too good for that network, Did nobody else really want him?

TBS's original programming has been pretty good lately. If you haven't been watching these shows, you're missing out:

Angie Tribeca
Wrecked
People of Earth
Conan (as you mentioned)
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BLAKUboy posted...

What's funny about this complaint is the show is, at best, centrist. Pretty much every episode is Tim Allen's character being a contrarian just trying to rile people up, but then finding a "compromise" that typically ends up leaning more left than right.
It basically routinely makes fun of both sides of the spectrum, but in the end gives more credence to left views than right ones.

It also just wasn't very good outside of the episodes with Patricia Richardson. Also maybe that one with Jay Leno.

Yeah, kinda reminds me of American Dad. No one accuses that show of being truly conservative. <_<
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Clad posted...

Repeating the solution for the hundredth time until CE gets it - automating the healthcare industry is the only sustainable way to pay for the costs on the front end and save money at the same time.

What do you mean by automating? Like, replace doctors with machines?
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Darkman124 posted...

several thousand per month bankrupts almost any household, though, and that's what happens to those in the high risk pools.

The worst part about this is that the families in high risk pools that cannot afford the premiums and go bankrupt will result in everyone else still paying for their healthcare by absorbing the costs associated with a bankruptcy.

Since the government absorbs the majority of debts from an individual when they file bankruptcy, in essence, the tax payers are absorbing the debts from an individual when they file bankruptcy.

You will still be paying for it, just in another way. The solution here is to find a way to pay for all these costs on the front end instead of creating this facade that you are saving money when all the real costs come from the back end. Unless the real solution people are looking for are just to let the high risk people die (which I'm starting to believe more and more the way I hear some people talk).
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Not old enough yet.
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Getting paid to CE at work. That's the life.
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Liberals posted...

It was more like Home Improvement x 8 Simple Rules pre-Ritter's death. I tried to watch it but it just wasn't that funny, and on top of that it was extremely cliche. I'm surprised it got to 6 seasons.

I wouldn't say it was cliche, at least the few episodes I watched.

In one, you have the studious daughter skip a soccer game to go drink with her friends while the "party" daughter skips her choir recital when she finds out the studious daughter is passed out at the party. Typical sitcom tropes follow as party girl tries to sneak studious girl back home and hide the fact that she's drunk to her parents. They get caught, they initially blame party girl for getting studious girl drunk but find out she actually kept her safe after studious girl admits it was her own idea because she did not want to be part of the soccer team.

Where the cliches stop though is the ending. The next morning the mom comes to console the studious girl about the pressure she's feeling trying to live up to her dad's high expectations, and right when you think she's gonna just have a "Full House" moment, she opens the blinds in her room to blind her, then specifically schedules a soccer game that morning to make her play the game with a hangover. That was so deliciously evil of the mom, since the "good" kids in sitcoms generally get away with their misdeeds with minimal punishments.

Another episode had Tim Allen's character trying to avoid making racist comments around his black neighbors that his wife invited to dinner, while hilariously failing. In the end of the day, though, the black neighbors revealed they were more uncomfortable with the wife's fake efforts to be PC than Allen's crude (but honest) comments that made fun of black people stereotypes. I didn't expect the episode to go in that direction.
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Steve Nick posted...

I have been taken advantage of by my lenient policy in the past. This ends now. NO MORE.

This line makes me feel like there is a lot more to the story that we don't know. I feel like someone crossed a line that really screwed it up for everyone else by being too invasive.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Yeah, but in this case baby groot has 3 huge extended scenes and 2 smaller ones that still take up significant focus.

I don't actually think the scenes were bad (although the opening scene I thought went on for a long time it was essentially just an opening credits reel and not a true scene), but someone intentionally trying to avoid that stuff, he was in a very significant part of the movie.

As he should be since he's one of the main characters. It's not really comparable to the madagascar thing at all. He has more presence in this movie than Joker has in Suicide Squad.

You're right, but as you said, he's a main character. There was only so much they could do with him plot-wise because of his limitations, so it's reasonable I think what they did with him.

btw what 3 major scenes are you referring to? I can only immediately think of opening credits and the jail scene with the severed thumb. What else was there? Unless you're counting that one scene with the detonator as a major scene, though I'd say that one was evenly shared across all the characters.
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To add to my earlier post, TC, keep in mind that recent marketing initiatives purposely overrepresent "funny", "cute", and "stupid" characters to attract kids to see the movie, when the movie itself doesn't feature them as much as you'd think. Think the "Afro Circus" gag with Madagascar 3. With how much they pushed that stupid song, you'd think it was half the movie. That whole gag was a total of 2 scenes that lasted less than 30 seconds total.

Or the movie Sing, with that annoying Pig stealing every scene in the commercials, when in reality he had the least amount of screentime of any character in the movie. Other examples where the trailers misled certain characters/gags in a movie include Spider Pig in the Simpsons movie, Minions in Despicable Me, that chicken in Moana, and famously, Olaf in Frozen.

And for a non-kids movie example, Fat Amy in Pitch Perfect. I had originally thought Rebel Wilson was the lead in the movie based on how every preview was about her. Her actual screentime was minimal in the movie compared to the other characters (that changed in Pitch Perfect 2 but you get my point).
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Zikten posted...

all i know about the show is its kinda like a reverse Malcolm in the Middle. Tim Allen is the only male in his family of like 3 daughters and a wife

I'd almost say it's the reverse of Home Improvement... right down to the number of kids...
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I am usually the first to complain when a character gets overused (especially "cute" or "stupid" characters in movies), but I will say Groot was used modestly for the most part. I'd say he had the least screen time of all the Guardians (though I felt Gamora also had relatively little screentime compared to the others).

But I agree with what the other person said about Drax. He was pretty much used almost exclusively as a gag machine (except for one really powerful scene that pulled the heart strings). I enjoyed his portrayal, though.
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The weirdest part about this is that my wife and I have had this discussion multiple times since the adoption process we are going through asks you for the race(s) you want.
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I'm an introvert, and always was an introvert. But you wouldn't know that unless I told you. I preach at church regularly. I was a TV weatherman for a while. I teach classes at a college campus and regularly give assembly speeches to crowds 500+. My business forces me to make sales calls and network with other businesses and organizations to recruit more business, so I've built up quite a reputation in my community as a smooth talker.

None of that counters the fact that I'm an introvert. At the end of the day, I would rather spend a quiet evening with my wife watching a movie at home than go out and have drinks with friends. I hate social gatherings, even though I go to them regularly because they are a necessary part of my job/career/life.

I was extremely shy and nervous in high school, but not because I was an introvert. I was just awkward as hell and haven't developed the right social skills to feel confident about my interactions. I have met shy, awkward extroverts, as well.

So, in essence, don't use introvertness as a crutch. I read somewhere like 10 years ago that somewhere around 90% of college professors are introverts, even those loud, charismatic ones, as introverts are more likely to pursue research-based doctoral programs.
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Veggeta X posted...

Chicken_Butt posted...

A lot of what I saw in this video is pretty damned accurate. I don't get why it upsets people to hear this. Is it the label? Do people just hate being called "millennial" because it has taken on a negative connotation? Oh, this guy's callin' me a fucking millennial? Downvote! Boo! BOO!!

Millennials.

People don't like being labeled even if it accurately and negatively portrays them. Same reason why SJWs get triggered being called SJWs, hipsters get mad when you call them a hipster, White Knights get angry when you call them out on their White Knighting. People get mad at what they're accurately accused of.

Everyone likes to believe they are special, that the rules don't apply to them, or that they are different from the mainstream. That's why people find it irritating when they are lumped together with others using a label.

This is exactly why those memes on facebook are so popular where the picture is essentially "while everyone does this I do this" types of pictures. They're funny because they're self-deprecating most of the time (like while friends party on Friday nights I like sleeping like a hermit), it shows off the "uniqueness" of the individual posting it.

It doesn't help that just about every kid's movie, anime, and even a lot of adult movies push that "you are different than everyone else" type of stories.
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Anisoptera posted...

You may have liked Foster's as a kid when you thought being mean-spirited and obnoxious was funny, but as you grow older you learned to empathize with Frankie and can't re-watch any episode without raging. Or maybe you're now a parent or teacher and don't see any humor in disorderly conduct from the imaginary friends.

Call me an old fart but I never enjoyed the antics of the imaginary friends, even as a kid. Especially when they were being jerks to each other (Blu being the most vile of all).

With that said, I did enjoy the show. It has some funny moments. It was like "that show you love to hate" kind of show for me.
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Uhh, none. But I have like 6 last names. Latino life FTW.
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