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As I recall with Half-Life 3 there was originally going to be a third Half-Life 2 episode, then it was cancelled and Valve were going to move onto Half-Life 3, which never happened.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Earthbound 64 turned into Mother 3

BlackMageJawa posted...

I'd also open it up to games that were extensively reworked during development so that the final product is significantly different to what was originally revealed

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Also Metroid 64 turned into Metroid Prime and Earthbound 64 turned into Mother 3.

Anyway this is a really great idea. I'd like to suggest Rainbow Six Patriots and This Is Vegas.

Half-Life 3 beats Prey 2 in the finals.
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This was in the other Persona topic, but I just want to say I did the Hawaii event and it was fine.
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Me scrolling down that image:

"Oh it's just some food thing, this isn't so- Jesus Christ"

D:
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Elizabeth I is not only on that list, she is at the top of it. Victoria as well.

Calintares posted...

who is the more famous writer; Agatha Christie or J.K.Rowling?

Christie is the highest selling author of fiction ever, last I checked. Not that Rowling is historical.
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miszelisabeth00 posted...

Lightning Strikes posted...

A 90's contest with OoT in a champions match instead of the main bracket would be good. RBY/FFVII/CT is an interesting three.

Without it it would be a bit like this one. 98 was too dominant. Regardless of if you think 97 or 01 is stronger (I definitely favour 01) I feel 97 would be doing worse as its gen 5 games pale in comparison to 98's. 1998 is just that much of a monster.

Anyway, I want to see GotD2. I always wanted Game of the (seventh) Generation but that has lost its time now.

No way...

CT vs OoT deserve their match. It's not at all a foregone conclusion.

Make OoT in its own half.
CT in its own quadrant
And VII and RBY in the same quadrant.

Winner of VII RBY gets CT.
Winner of that gets OoT in the final.

And CT would get its match if it beats FFVII and RBY. I see no reason to let OoT trash half the bracket.
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A 90's contest with OoT in a champions match instead of the main bracket would be good. RBY/FFVII/CT is an interesting three.

Without it it would be a bit like this one. 98 was too dominant. Regardless of if you think 97 or 01 is stronger (I definitely favour 01) I feel 97 would be doing worse as its gen 5 games pale in comparison to 98's. 1998 is just that much of a monster.

Anyway, I want to see GotD2. I always wanted Game of the (seventh) Generation but that has lost its time now.
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I haven't finished 5 yet. I am just before the Hawaii trip which is quite exciting as I have heard nonstop complaints from many different sources. We shall see then.

What I can say is that 3 is by far the worst, and does not use its themes nearly as well as 4.

4 integrates its central theme of truth and how hard it is to find the truth into the gameplay so well, deliberately obscuring its own ending to get players to seek it out. To finish that game (unless you're using a guide) you have to get in the game's mindset and start questioning what you think you know. It is still the only major video game I know of that actually has you solve the central mystery yourself without handholding you. 3 and 5 just don't tie their core themes to the mechanics and design as well as 4 does.
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SwiftyDC posted...

What if RBY or OOT are absent in the finals match pic, does 1998 still win?

Yes because everybody knows those games came out in 98.
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Xuxon posted...

why does everyone hate on 2013 and 2015 but not 2007? at least Link gave Draven a good match, he just got destroyed by L-Block

Because L Block was our decision.

2013 and 2015 were us getting invaded by trolls.

2013 was us getting invaded by trolls.

2015 was us getting invited by fans, and THEN gamefaqs users themselves trying to invade and troll the "enemy" communities. Or trolling our own board.

The whole rally was literally fulled by MWC making hate speech against Undertale fans and his posts getting shared on Tumblr.

Exactly this. I admit to having checked out of the board when 2015 really got going. However what I did see looked much worse for ExTha and MWC than Undertale fans. You know, those two paragons of Board 8.

Anyway, 2015 was still pretty good because there were good matches and the bonus matches made up for it. 2013 was a nightmare and only round 1 had any good matches really. This contest has been fine.
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Mario/Bowser looked better than Cloud/Sephiroth in Rivalry Rumble (rSFF and finals hype helping), and they narrowly lost to Red/Blue. Sephiroth could lose in a finals match.

Anyway, I think 2001 will overperform in the finals.
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1977 definitely goes far because of the inextricable link to Star Wars along with Close Encounters, Annie Hall, A Bridge Too Far, etc. 2014 is probably the strongest recent year.

As for the finals, it's probably 72 vs. 94.
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Would you take it over Sunshine? I would not do either.
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Getting Halo 3 vs. Super Mario Sunshine flashbacks here.

Underestimating Halo is almost as destructive a force as overestimating Halo!

But yes, Halo > Mario Kart 64 any day. Halo is evidently slightly weaker than Goldeneye, but I might actually take it to win in a match.

Edit: I'll be totally honest. I think the people complaining about fair pics aren't considering strengthening both sides, and are only focusing on disproportionately strengthening the weaker side. 2006 vs. 2011 was the worst example of this.
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2001 doesn't have Halo, to be fair, which may be a bigger omission than Goldeneye and definitely Mario Kart 64.

And of course there is a huge list of other games you could give 2001 like Silent Hill 2 or Baldur"s Gate 2, what a good year. Will be voting for it in the finals.
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In the case of Undertale it was receiving dramatic counter-rallying until the last match where everyone rolled over. Not to mention I find it hard to believe that FFVII wouldn't push Melee as hard as CT.

Of course, the fact that SSBM/FFVII got so many more votes absolutely suggests a stronger rally. Now, you could say that it was affected by the Undertale rally and that helped FFVII, but that runs counter to the idea that FFVII underperformed against OoT because of Undertale's rally spillover. Rallies are not chaos, we can get info out of them. Either way, the bonus matches show a remarkable consistency between the FFVI matches. I can't imagine the result of those were altered by rallying for a Smash Bros. game.
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We know how rallies work enough to know that it is very unlikely that FFVII did not suffer less than CT. Therefore CT is very unlikely to be stronger than OoT. The exact level of difference doesn't actually matter.

But we know that CT cannot be stronger than OoT unless:
-Melee's rally effect was stronger against CT than FFVII.
-FFVII underperformed more against OoT than Melee despite no active rally.

Those are two much bigger assumptions than the idea that DQVIII and UYA got weaker after 5 years.
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Here's the thing about the rally spillover - in order to argue that it invalidates the matches that put OoT above CT you effectivelly need to argue that FFVII underperformed against OoT worse than it did against Melee. I do not see how that can be. Why would rally spillover harm FFVII as much or worse than an actual rally? If we argue an equal underperformance for CT and FFVII against Melee and that the spillover effect was equal to the rally effect, then OoT still beats CT with roughly 53%. The other option is saying that CT was harmed more by the Melee rally than FFVII but that doesn't really follow the way we know rallies to work. In reality FFVII probably underperformed worse against Melee than CT and not as badly against OoT, putting the kibosh on CT's chances.

I also don't think OoT overperformed that much against FFVII. If they met again it would be a 57%+ beatdown in favour of OoT.
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I guess it depends what you are after. I greatly enjoyed the visual experience of Prometheus but was disappointed by the story. This film has a safer, less ambitious story, but it's also a lot less of a mess. The characters are less stupid, and it wisely focuses on something else rather than focusing too much on the Xenomorphs themselves (and thus making them less threatening).

The best thing this film does is shift the focus to David as a singular villain and the true source of the horror. He is the real monster, and Fassbender is terrific. He is by far the most interesting character in the series and I think shifting to tell his story was a good move overall.

With that said, I do think the last 30 minutes of this film (other than the final scene) are very disappointing. Before that though I think it does a good job of linking Pronetheus to Alien and also being an effective, visually beautiful dark sci-fi film.
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Thanks. However I was specifically talking about the results being altered, not just the number of votes.

More when I have the time. However I do not believe rallied matches are worthless at all.
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I liked it myself. Isn't going to win over the hardcore Prometheus haters but it's a better film.
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I feel even if you aligned the pics in order of strength, 2001 still comes out favoured. 1997 drops off sharply after its top 5 games, while 2001 just keeps going. And even if you only lined up the top 5, I still think 2001 wins.

FFVII
SotN
Goldeneye
Star Fox 64
Mario Kart 64

vs.

Melee
FFX
MGS2
GTA3
Halo

Not even mentioning DMC and GS or showing the three consoles. I think 2001 would have this either way.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Lightning Strikes posted...

Just to clarify on this, the size of OoT's victory over FFVII, Melee's victory over FFVII, CT's victory over FFVI, and FFVII's victory over FFVI all point towards OoT being much stronger. You have to make a lot of assumptions to put CT on top. Namely Melee weakening between rounds and FFVI being on a par with FFVII while getting SFF'd by FFVII but not CT. It's reaching.

Literally every match you just listed was affected by rallies and/or rally spillover and is completely worthless when discussing inherent strength.

So then list your evidence that is better than the evidence we do have.

You haven't provided a lick of evidence for CT>OoT, or even for the bonus matches' results being altered significantly by rallying.
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Also, does FFVII beat Melee that easily without rallies? Melee's victory over FFVII was firm.

Actually if we assume Melee wasn't being rallied in its bonus match, it might win.
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I'll believe CT>OoT when I see it. You know, it very well could be but until we get that match, there is no evidence of this.

Just to clarify on this, the size of OoT's victory over FFVII, Melee's victory over FFVII, CT's victory over FFVI, and FFVII's victory over FFVI all point towards OoT being much stronger. You have to make a lot of assumptions to put CT on top. Namely Melee weakening between rounds and FFVI being on a par with FFVII while getting SFF'd by FFVII but not CT. It's reaching.
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I think "Sequence" is probably a better one to use than "Scene" as it allows for a bit more flexibility.

Anyway, I will probably go with the reveal of Ganon.
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Best news I've heard about this yet.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

This is still an awful idea and Sony should be thankful for what they're getting from the Disney partnership.

I'm a lot more interested in this than another safe Marvel film tbh.
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It's great that they're going to get a chance to showcase a lot of games that would otherwise not get this kind of attention. It's really interesting to see how E3 has changed as well - Activision, Konami, and (kind of) EA are out, and Bethesda and Devolver are in. It makes sense as the show gets smaller.

LapisLazuli posted...

I need a date and time. I'm about to ask off the days!

I would guess Monday as Microsoft have moved to Sunday now, but they haven't confirmed it yet.
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I think 1996 is a year that sounds great at first then you go a little deeper and realise it doesn't have that many games.

With that said, still surprised at the level of beatdown this is.
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https://twitter.com/devolverdigital

Huh.
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creativename posted...

pjbasis posted...

Maybe 2007 is really a beast

The 2000's years in general are stronger relative to the 90's than I would've expected pre-contest. Especially the 2010's.

GameFAQs users may have stopped gaming much (or at, *homepage visiting* GameFAQsers), but they seem to be aware of which modern games have a good rep.

Is this true?

62% still play 11+ hours a week:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6296-how-many-hours-of-video-games-do-you-play-a-week

Roughly half buy majority digital, a recent trend:

https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6583-of-the-last-10-games-youve-bought-how-many-were-digital

69% play two or more different games per week:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6647-how-many-different-games-have-you-played-in-the-last-week

85% own or will soon get a current console:
https://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/6629-by-the-end-of-this-year-which-of-the-three-current-consoles

I don't think they're out of touch at all!
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Let's not act like Chrono Trigger has a perfect record. Chrono Trigger has a very sketchy record, remember Crono/Vincent 2008?

Still salty about that one.

Anyway, back to 1987, it's a powerhouse. Look at its lineup:

Zelda
Metroid
Mega Man
Punch-Out
Contra
Castlevania
Maniac Mansion
Phantasy Star

And Japan and Europe got Metal Gear as well. It started so many franchises and some entire genres, likely more than any other year.
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Europe did get Chrono Trigger eventually and it probably contributed to its rise in strength. Anyway 2001 vs. 1997 should be a close one.
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It is happening again.
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Okay, can somebody please explain JDTAY to me? As if I know nothing.
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I think loading screens have worsened significantly this generation.

How did you find the story overall?
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Well it was definitely better than Prometheus. Nobody was too stupid to change direction this time.
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AxemRedRanger posted...

So if 1987 had been similarly shackled by forced diversity and gotten, say, Zelda 1/R-Type/Maniac Mansion/Some Master System Exclusive Nobody Cares About instead of 4 straight NES games, what do people think the percentage would be?

I doubt more than 60%, probably doesn't change much. People are smart, they know Metroid and Mega Man. I actually think 1987 needs pics even less because it is such an iconic year for starting these franchises.

Of course, you would be deliberately handicapping 1987 instead of bringing 1995 up so it's not a fair comparison. Even if 1995 had an optimal set it wouldn't improve its chances.

The question we should ask regarding match pics isn't "are these the strongest games" but "is this a fair cross section" and I think 1987 passes the latter, 1995 probably fails it but not by much.
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Full Throttle is the most earned of the three. It had a significant remaster very recently, and is fairly unique.

Rayman over both DKC2 and Yoshi's Island though, odd choice.

However, I don't think Earthbound, Donkey Kong Country, and Yoshi's Island form a better lineup than Mega Man, Castlevania and Metroid. 1987 still has the pic advantage.

Let's look at the lineups:

1995
Chrono Trigger
Donkey Kong Country 2
Earthbound
Yoshi's Island
Rayman
Full Throttle
Panzer Dragoon Saga

1987
The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Mega Man
Castlevania
Contra
Punch Out
Maniac Mansion

Same level of raw depth but 1987 is a lot more even. However Chrono Trigger is a big advantage. I think that looks like a 55/45.
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Ngamer64 posted...

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Hey Ngamer, wouldn't 2006 being the heavy board favourite have tipped the board vote in its favour?

Yes for sure, I meant to open that for discussion (was the board vote because we're "smarter" and realize 2006 is deeper, or were we moreso just protecting our brackets?) but we already spent 20 minutes hashing out other aspects of that match so I just moved on instead.

Just wanted to verify that. I mainly disagree with the "smarter" stance because 2011 was a much deeper year, so either the board was favouring their brackets, or just prefers 2006 for some other reason.
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Hey Ngamer, wouldn't 2006 being the heavy board favourite have tipped the board vote in its favour?
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I don't think God of War was ever announced for 2017. I always anticipated Q1 2018 in line with the other games in the series.

scarletspeed7 posted...

Is it really a "delay" when it's Square Enix?

A Square game announced at a Sony conference. Never stood a chance.
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The presentation is on more than that, they are just highlighting it as their big game. However it will focus on 2017 games, but presumably also include some 2018 stuff. Switch only it sounds like.

Known 2017 Switch stuff:
Splatoon
Fire Emblem Warriors
Super Mario Odyssey
Xenoblade 2

So they probably have a fair few games coming.
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I made this topic without rallying in mind. However, if you want to include it go ahead.

Also BotW has definitely hit big with the general audience. It dominated E3 talk, got a huge attach rate on a big console launch, is the top rated game of the year and a big seller. No overstatements needed.

Anyway, if we want to talk rallies, I want to see the Dark Souls rally.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Wasn't Bioshock Infinite's reception lukewarm at best?

Anyway, 2013 does have some good stuff, but on GameFAQs, KotOR can probably contend with any game from 2013, and Wind Waker is easily the strongest game from either year.

People loved it at the time. It has cooled but it is fairly well regarded.
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2008 games though. I think that says it all. 2006 was waiting for the next two years.
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I mean, people were excited for the Wii, and Twilight Princess with it. But mostly it was a dead year. The 360 was still taking off. Sony embarrassed themselves. The sixth generation was over. Not much going on to be positively excited about.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Dude, I made the 2015 stats. I had to manually adjust Skyrim a little higher because I felt that Tumblr spillover was negatively affecting it - otherwise it's below Fallout 3, which felt really wrong. It didn't do that amazing considering it's pedigree, and it was clearly inferior to TP in every example.

Fair enough, I was not aware of that, apologies.

I would still take Skyrim regardless, but it would be a toss up.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Or people might just have more fond memories of gaming in 2011 than 2006? Doesn't help that the former is more recently and the impact of those games is being felt far more. Just throwing in my two cents.

I give 2011 a lot of credit because it was the last time that people got HYPED for gaming, mainly because of Skyrim. But do you really think people have fonder memories of that year than 2006, which had KHII to start the year and TP + the launch of the Wii to end it? Shoot, in terms of pure excitement, E3 2006 alone can probably beat the weakest years in the bracket if we found some way to poll that.

Not LtM, but I do. 2006 was a bad year and people were annoyed at how few games there were. If not for the Wii it would not even be a contest. 2011 was awesome. I remember people really excited about that November, how it was the best month for gaming ever, and not just for Skyrim. So many games.

I think 2011 settles the depth argument. It should also be noted that yes, maybe 2006 did not have its full strength, but neither did 2011 because so many of 2011's legion of games weren't shown.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Skyrim isn't even the strongest game there. Twilight Princess outperformed it significantly in the 2015 contest. People tend to ignore how strong TP is because it doesn't have as many diehard fans, but it's always been up there.

Actually TP would only get less than 52% on Skyrim based on 2015, and I would probably take Skyrim if the two ever met. The remaster of Skyrim beat TPHD in GotY as well, even though it was a bad port. TP is strong but I would take Skyrim in a narrow win due to that lack of diehards. And 2011's secondary tier just creams 2006's.
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