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| Topic | Trump was right. All statues now under attack, not just confederate ones. |
| Donomark 08/21/17 1:42:16 PM #62 | "Never claimed it did, I just said it doesn't matter" If you're interested in celebrating men solely on account on their military successes, there is no end to the wretchedness of the human imagination you'll overlook. "That contradicts your point of the public and government not liking it, though" No, it doesn't. I literally posted some. "Whether he took pleasure in it or not is none of my concern" Fitting. So, it really doesn't matter to you whether this man took pleasure in the deaths of thousands of men, women, and children. That's all that needs to be said. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Trump was right. All statues now under attack, not just confederate ones. |
| Donomark 08/21/17 1:24:38 PM #47 | "Well yeah, he's the hero of New Orleans he led a ragtag group of random f***ers to victory against the British with very few casualties" Yes, yes. He is a military hero. I have no idea why this supposedly makes him an honest man whose motives are beyond question. But, whatever. Bulls***, I doubt ANYONE in the time period gave a s*** about the well-being of a group of people they had systematiclly been fighting and killing for years" Stop. You're telling on yourself. What a vicious thing to say. Of course, people cared. Some did anyway. In fact, here's your man Jackson justifying removal: ""It will separate the Indians from immediate contact with settlements of whites; free them from the power of the States; enable them to pursue happiness in their own way and under their own rude institutions; will retard the progress of decay, which is lessening their numbers, and perhaps cause them gradually, under the protection of the Government and through the influence of good counsels, to cast off their savage habits and become an interesting, civilized, and Christian community.” According to Jackson, the move would be nothing but beneficial for all parties. His point of view garnered support from many Americans, many of whom would benefit economically from the removal." Obviously, his rationale is clothed in the language of decency, charity and righteousness. So did he care, or didn't he? You have contradicted your own position by claiming that no one cared about the lives of the native people, and yet claiming that Jackson effectuated the removal out of concern for the well-being of the natives. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Trump was right. All statues now under attack, not just confederate ones. |
| Donomark 08/21/17 1:07:03 PM #31 | ZombiePelican posted... Donomark posted...Hmm...would you be as willing to overlook his moral crimes and celebrate his military victories if he forced your family on a cruel death march? How quaint. You're taking Jackson's reasoning. People at the time disagreed. Notably, the U.S. Supreme Court. People still do. I'm not naïve, we just don't all take him at his word, especially when thousands of men, women, and children die. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Trump was right. All statues now under attack, not just confederate ones. |
| Donomark 08/21/17 12:52:00 PM #17 | ZombiePelican posted... AlternativeFAQS posted...jackson? that guy who had tons of people murdered? hmm Hmm...would you be as willing to overlook his moral crimes and celebrate his military victories if he forced your family on a cruel death march? ...It's fine as long as his contempt happened to someone else, right? --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | what makes taxation not theft |
| Donomark 08/19/17 7:14:01 PM #76 | "If you vote for a thrid party to steal part of my paycheck every month and send it to you, that's still theft because you can't morally delegate rights you don't hold yourself." Well, you voted and knew we were going to vote, and understood the consequences of the vote, yet you participated anyway and remained within the country, extracting benefit from it. We have to just agree to disagree. I don't agree on the use of terminology. I don't consider the income tax to be 'stealing'. The analogy between an errant robber and a functioning government does not work because it completely ignores the consent given by the People, the parties' (taxpayer and government) expectations, and the purpose of the taking of money. It ignores the structure that contextualizes the taking. I don't really see the purpose of using the word 'theft' if you're not going to make a moral claim. It's less moral to have benefitted from the government all your life, stay here but not chip in, and complain afterward. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Who do you think is the most intelligent recent president? |
| Donomark 08/19/17 3:13:28 AM #12 | Obama or Clinton. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | what makes taxation not theft |
| Donomark 08/19/17 3:09:12 AM #68 | Lorenzo_2003 posted... tennisdude818 posted...CoinBoxBaller posted...Imagine being an ancap. Okay. Well, if we're being technical (but also perhaps a bit obtuse) it's not theft because theft is defined by the state. In their constitutions, states (and the federal government, of course) grant themselves the power to tax. The people have created the government through their constitutions. Therefore, in democratic political theory, or republican theory, taxation is not 'theft' because the People (as a political institution) consented to taxation in the forming of their government, and can vote to dissolve their government or alter the structure of taxation if it fails to suit them. But, more to your point, I think you're making a moral case here, I have not been persuaded that taxation (or 'theft') in your eyes is immoral, inefficient, or wrong, in its own terms. It is not literally the same as a mob enforcer coercing you to provide money for protection. On the contrary, I'm eager to hear your idea of why taxation is immoral or how a government as large as the United States' is supposed to function without the 'theft' of taxation. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Today marks 1000 days since my high school football team has won a home game. |
| Donomark 08/18/17 10:37:33 PM #5 | Iron-Tarkus posted... I dunno what happened. Without the moral support my trumpet provided they just can't win. They needed you all this time...and you failed to answer the call. You are the House Glover of trumpeters. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Post your unpopular negative or positive opinions here. Anything goes. |
| Donomark 08/18/17 7:18:47 PM #104 | Albel-Nox posted... The only thing that made DBZ good was power levels. Okay. I don't usually do this. But I'm going to say that most of those aren't authentic. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | what makes taxation not theft |
| Donomark 08/18/17 7:04:21 PM #58 | fenderbender321 posted... Donomark posted...fenderbender321 posted...Donomark posted...This topic is infantile. If there is no tax, there is no government, which, put simply and idealistically, is organized public good. If you don't want to pay tax, go live in a wilderness and survive on your own. Wit all due respect, I understand that you're engaging in a pie-in-the-sky hypothetical while entertaining a fantastic coincidence amidst resisting the force of the point. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | what makes taxation not theft |
| Donomark 08/18/17 6:56:57 PM #55 | Small groups of people don't count. I'm talking about sophisticated communities the size of a modern state. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | what makes taxation not theft |
| Donomark 08/18/17 6:55:48 PM #54 | fenderbender321 posted... Donomark posted...This topic is infantile. If there is no tax, there is no government, which, put simply and idealistically, is organized public good. If you don't want to pay tax, go live in a wilderness and survive on your own. Please, point out all of these well-functioning societies with no government. You cannot, I repeat, cannot have a society with the size of the United States, with no government. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | what makes taxation not theft |
| Donomark 08/18/17 6:54:15 PM #51 | DevsBro posted... Suppose TC does use the roads. What portion of tax dollars goes to that, and what portion does he get no benefit from? Taxes are for public good. The public is benefitted. It's not only about him using the roads. It's about a functioning, efficient economy. Commerce benefits from the use of roads. With the public education that you fund, medicinal advances, a functioning economy, literacy, less crime etc. flow. You benefit approximately from these things. Perhaps not most directly, but it's not all about me-me-me. This is what living in a society is about. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | what makes taxation not theft |
| Donomark 08/18/17 6:47:15 PM #47 | This topic is infantile. If there is no tax, there is no government, which, put simply and idealistically, is organized public good. If you don't want to pay tax, go live in a wilderness and survive on your own. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Post your unpopular negative or positive opinions here. Anything goes. |
| Donomark 08/18/17 6:39:06 PM #96 | "4) People who take offense to Donald Trump's (and many other prominent politicians) comments and speeches, are doing so after he makes them and after people in the media scour every word he says to write an article or send out a tweet about why it's offensive. Essentially, people are offended at what politicians say because other people are telling them they should be." Hmm. In this post, it seems like you can't learn why something is offensive, and subsequently be offended by it. No, if something is offensive, you must recognize it as such immediately, and anything after that is illegitimate. Where is the room for autonomous, good faith agreement and learning? --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | "I voted for Trump, and I sorely regret it." |
| Donomark 08/18/17 6:01:29 PM #5 | There was never a good reason to believe in Donald Trump. This is what the dreaded, traitorous conservative Establishment and the terrible, smug coastal liberals preached... ...and you know what? They were right. That is very painful for some people to admit. So, they don't, and go right back into their bubble of delusion, which is the ultimate safe space. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | The constitution originally gave everyone the right to own slaves right? |
| Donomark 08/18/17 5:56:53 PM #2 | Yes, the Constitution provides a system for amending itself. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Black history gets its own month but American History is condemned |
| Donomark 08/18/17 5:18:21 PM #18 | Santorin posted... There%u2019s some brilliance and equality for ya! This is hilariously ironic. Confederates waged the most violent war in American history, killed actual Americans fighting under the American flag, who fought to keep this nation one nation under God for their posterity, and you complain about destroying statuary designed to whitewash and romanticize, violent, undemocratic traitors...who started the war by firing the first shot! Newflash buddy, Confederates killed more Americans and destroyed more American property than the liberals you despise who are pulling down statutes. They also wanted black people to be property indefinitely, but I don't know why I think that the reason they waged such a violent war might be meaningful....after all, some of them were competent soldiers. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Not since the 1800s has a president like Donald Trump been a racist. |
| Donomark 08/18/17 5:01:49 PM #21 | jayj420 posted... Donomark posted......Um, what about Woodrow Wilson? What about Eisenhower? What about Nixon? Okay. With respect to the 19th century, virtually every president, even ones that were liberal on race in their day, would be uncontroversially considered a racist by non-frivolous contemporary standards. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Not since the 1800s has a president like Donald Trump been a racist. |
| Donomark 08/18/17 4:57:46 PM #13 | ...Um, what about Woodrow Wilson? What about Eisenhower? What about Nixon? Face the facts. Most presidents have been racists. Now, most have not publicly expressed white supremacist animus, but that's a separate subject from saying that they weren't racist. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Post your unpopular negative or positive opinions here. Anything goes. |
| Donomark 08/18/17 4:54:48 PM #75 | No actor has ever given a great live-action performance as Batman. ...I suspect some may disagree, some may not. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Charles Barkley says black people don't think about Confederate statues |
| Donomark 08/18/17 4:37:07 PM #50 | Santorin posted... Bottom line is no one cared about this shit until the media told them too 100% unadulterated bull****. Several of the commemorations were controversial when they were first memorialized. Black people have had issues with it for years. It sounds like you're just now becoming aware of it. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Charles Barkley says black people don't think about Confederate statues |
| Donomark 08/18/17 4:34:52 PM #48 | I don't understand this. You can focus on more than one thing. You can focus on substantive issues, and symbolic ones. It's not hard. What pisses me off about this, is that he's not telling conservative White people that their ideas don't matter. They can have their status quo as they've always had. Barkley's idea keeps them comfortable. No, if black people want to change things for the better, and keep in mind that contrary to his comments, a lot of black people don't like these statues, they have to shut up and move on. That's bull****, Chuck. But go ahead, man. Keep on saying things that please White people who otherwise wouldn't give a damn about your opinion. 'You lecture those errant blacks, Chuck.' --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | How about instead of tearing down Confederate monuments and destroying them |
| Donomark 08/18/17 12:45:27 AM #19 | iPhone_7 posted... So MLK is the latest thing trolls are using as a counterpoint? It's pathetic and demonstrates a misunderstanding of the issues. The issue is not, Confederates held 'political beliefs contrary to modern values', it's that they fought a traitorous war to maintain ownership of black people, and that should not be valorized, romanticized, and celebrated in statuary. No one erects a memorial to MLK based on his positions toward gay marriage. People erect statutes to Confederate leadership to memorialize support for white domination. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | How about instead of tearing down Confederate monuments and destroying them |
| Donomark 08/18/17 12:40:16 AM #18 | BillyKidd posted... Not a myth. look up "mlk homosexuality" and take your pick on sources. He believed being gay was a sin; but to hate the sin and not the sinner. Dude, it was about slavery. The Confederacy wanted to leave because they thought the Republican Party, and Lincoln in particular, would lead the United States to the abolition of slavery. Lee fought with the Confederacy because his loyalty lied with region over nation. That's it. Oh, and the Mexican War has been regarded as an unjust war of greed, even by some of its own veterans, namely U.S. Grant. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Seems like Malcom X gets swept to the side, why don't we celebrate him more? |
| Donomark 08/05/17 1:53:45 PM #12 | Chicken posted... Wasnt he super racist That's not it either. If America refused to celebrate racists, there would be almost no White people to celebrate prior to the mid 20th century. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Seems like Malcom X gets swept to the side, why don't we celebrate him more? |
| Donomark 08/05/17 1:49:47 PM #9 | Well, it's simple. He was a radical. America will only celebrate men who do not challenge their current prerogatives. I don't buy the, "Oh, he had violent rhetoric..." You know how many Founding Fathers were actually violent? Look at the deeds of Andrew Jackson. Hell, Jefferson himself has been accused of raping an underage girl who was his slave. But, he's white and wrote the Declaration of Independence... --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Looks like the racist won. |
| Donomark 05/17/17 9:45:53 PM #131 | Stuff like this is priceless. People fought and died to rid themselves of the yolk of British tyranny, and that's viewed as a righteous act that we celebrate. We celebrate our independence of July 4th. The South and Southern slave owners fought to preserve (and extend) far more egregious human rights abuses--and there's still a contingent of folks that cape toward preserving monuments that do not memorialize, but honor them. Some of you are making this sound so innocent and neutral. You don't understand the cultural and political reason for the existence of these monuments. It's not for historical purpose. Largely, they're symbols of defiance erected to resist federal involvement in integration. They're primary purpose was not to educate, but to propagandize and harken back to a period of racial caste in America. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Nicki minaj hanging out with rockn roll hall of famers steven tyler and iggy pop |
| Donomark 05/01/17 11:57:32 PM #2 | Oh, you. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | This isn't the Bill Nye I grew up with |
| Donomark 04/26/17 10:46:06 PM #79 | He changed his mind! Scientists aren't supposed to do that! Okay, that was cheeky. But you get what I mean. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Being black in America has its advantages. It's just we focus on the negatives. |
| Donomark 04/26/17 9:22:35 PM #75 | "Thanks for your detailed responses. I appreciate that you put effort into it and didn't just pretend like it's black and white the way @I4NRulez did." Thanks. People should be able to discuss this without hostility and bad faith. I don't know @I4NRulez, but in fairness to him, people are often disingenuous and not willing to engage. He may be fatigued from that. "You made decent arguments, and I seriously mean that. I wish there were more people on here like you that actually engages in debate and has the intellectual prowess to attack statements that they don't agree with." Thanks. Cultural and policy debates on Gamefaqs don't have to suck. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Being black in America has its advantages. It's just we focus on the negatives. |
| Donomark 04/26/17 9:00:30 PM #64 | 7) Black privilege is having the media cover up your race in the event of a gruesome murder. How is this a benefit? Often, the assailant is captured or in custody. This benefits criminals, which means that the vast majority of black people are not helped. 8) Black privilege is having the media ignore Black on black crime while blaming white people for not valuing black lives. Again, this may be a state of affairs that you take umbrage against. But, how is this a privilege? How does this make black people's lives better? 9) Black privilege is having media ignore problems in your community to protect you from criticism. ...This is another rhetorical issue. I don't see how this a meaningful benefit. I can contest accuracy of it. 10) Black privilege is being able to blame being pulled over because the officer's racism. How is this a benefit? Unless it involves the officer always letting one go I don't see your point. You're basically saying that complaining is a privilege. It's not. A privilege is a material or social benefit. 11) Black privilege is being able to blame any of your shortcomings or failures on racism. This sucks. All this means is that you can whine all day and not be one iota better. Blame...and then what? Get a check in the mail? --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Being black in America has its advantages. It's just we focus on the negatives. |
| Donomark 04/26/17 8:56:42 PM #62 | Black Privilege 1) Black privilege is being able to take pride in your race without fear or persecution. This is complex and depends on the circumstance. This is not necessarily cut and dry. Expressing racial pride can definitely make people uncomfortable. This is not something that I would imagine a lot of Black people feeling comfortable doing in some predominantly White environments. They would be hesitant to scare White people or make them defensive. It's depends on who these sentiments are being expressed to. 2) Black privilege is when people assume you are poor because of racism and not because bad personal choices. This over-simplifies things. There are multiple conversations and positions taken by constituents and policymakers that posit various explanations for why some people are poor and the social forces that may be at play that lead to these outcomes. So, people are sympathetic to the charge that racism plays an explanatory role in the white-black prosperity gap. Some are not. I would say that both positions are frequently aired in society. Conservatives are often not shy in voicing the latter view. 3) Black privilege is being wealthy without people assuming your wealth was handed to you or that you exploited others. This is very circumstantial and will depend on the person who is the subject of the assumption and the person doing the assuming. There are relevant historical reasons as to why a wealthy black person is less to likely to have inherited his wealth than a white person. To the extent that this forms people's expectations, it is often rooted in fact. 4) Black privilege is being able to commit violent crimes against another race without people assuming you're racist. I disagree. In instances where a black perpetrator harms a white victim I often see people assume that the violence was race-based. It's been well documented that the defendant most likely to receive the death penalty is a black assailant with a white victim. You may be thinking of hate crimes. Black people have been charged and convicted of hate crimes. 5) Black privilege is being given Affirmative Action which advances you in jobs or colleges based on your skin color. This is going to need data. Blacks are often underrepresented and beaten out by whites as scholarship recipients. I think that your observation is often highlighted because of resentment than actual material outcomes. 6) Black privilege is when you can be overrepresented in certain fields without people trying to amend it. Well, blacks are overrepresented in the nation's prisons and people are having been trying to advocate against that, often to the benefit of white prisoners as well. But, I digress. I understand what you mean. I have to ask, in what areas are black people overrepresented that carry material benefits to the great mass of black people? Freak athletes in the NBA and entertainers at the Grammys are fairly not valuable. . --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Does White privilege exist? |
| Donomark 04/26/17 8:33:50 PM #143 | Jealousy? White privilege has nothing to do with jealously, hostility, or any animus toward White people. It's an observation and hypothesis, not a slight. Be a little dispassionate. No one's jimmies need be rustled. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Why was Disco hated so much back then? |
| Donomark 04/26/17 8:03:25 PM #8 | Well, it was probably viewed as oversaturating the culture. It often involved singing, dancing and pop hooks. Contrast that with performers who write their own songs and play instruments. People framed the latter as true artistry and authentic, and the former as showy and banal. Plus, there was backlash because it was perceived as a black (the performers) and gay genre (think drag queens). --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Does White privilege exist? |
| Donomark 04/26/17 7:57:00 PM #136 | I think that white privilege is definitely a 'thing'. I think the difficulty with the concept is that people seem to think that it means that in all instances white people will be favored or never be made to suffer any deprivation or hardship. That's not what it means. I think, at a very abstract, generalized level, it means that whiteness is valued and is a social phenomenon that can confer benefit. It doesn't mean that White people can never experience prejudice or that Black people can never be successful. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
| Topic | Does White privilege exist? |
| Donomark 04/26/17 7:50:22 PM #128 | SteveNebraska posted... so sick and tired of hearing people bitch about level playing field. Who is stopping you from success or education just because of your skin color? Hard working successful White people? get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. 'Level playing field' is often used in reference to lack of material resources and opportunities, e.g. lower quality public schools, higher risk of criminal penalty for non-violent behavior, more stressful environment due to criminal behavior, higher risk of parent not having post high-school education, less access to test prep courses and materials, fewer connections, etc. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ |
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