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Find the one you fall in love with, or find the one who loves you? Because as I'm pretty sure most of us know, those can be two very different things.

Unrequited love can drive a man to the point of insanity and beyond. It's the long, dark night of the soul.
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So long as they work to earn themselves a living and they pay their taxes, it's none of your damn business what they do or don't do in their spare time and how offended you get by other people's appearance doesn't matter.
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I'm with you on this one.
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Tiffany Cushinberry.
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josifrees posted...

Extreme war reparations set the stage for populace to embrace nazism

Not really. Germany stopped making reparations repayments after 1931, by which time she'd paid only around 21.5 billion marks. (This, I'd point out, was less than half the cost of the destruction inflicted on France during the war; and a good deal of that destruction was down to Germany's spiteful 'scorched earth' policies in 1917 and 1918. There's a reason behind the so-called "extreme" war reparations.) In the same period, Germany received 27 billion gold marks in net capital inflows, mainly from private investors.

Plus, the surge of support at the polls for the NSDAP didn't occur until the Depression -- after the Weimar economy had experienced its "gold plated" years of 1925-28. Even during the Allied occupation of the Rhineland and the Ruhr, the Nazis never managed to win more than 6.5% of the votes in federal elections. (Ruhr workers mostly stuck with the SPD, the Centre Party and the KPD.) Worse, the Nazis' share of the vote actually fell from 6.5% in May 1924 to 3% in December that year, and crashed to only 2.6% in May 1928. In other words, even when memories of German defeat and Versailles were fresher and more bitter, the NSDAP still did badly at the ballot box.

Oh, and cutting against the grain of the argument that anger over the Treaty of Versailles swung the German public heavily behind the ultra-right parties and provided the main focus of electoral support for the Nazis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_referendum,_1929

It was a referendum on whether Germany should pass a law formally renouncing the Treaty of Versailles and banning the collection of reparations. Fewer than 15% of German voters even bothered to turn out. Again, despite the conventional wisdom in today's school classrooms that Versailles stoked the German public so badly they rushed to vote Nazi out of spite, it seems to demonstrate instead a remarkable apathy about the Treaty as a specific issue.
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s0nicfan posted...

Funkdamental posted...

Here's part of the problem. Islam gives an impression that the faith has dangerous weak spots of interpretation. That there are suras and hadiths that can be all too easily twisted to convince the susceptible and those attracted to radical, violent solutions that there is scriptural justification -- even a mandate -- for terrible atrocities. Many non-Muslims refuse to believe that it's possible for someone to be %u2018radicalized%u2019 into doing something that's genuinely profoundly contradictory to their personality and beliefs. Instead, they suspect that cultural conditioning %u2013 and by that, I mean the role of Islam in someone%u2019s upbringing -- has a lot to do with the softening-up process and makes indoctrination easy.

That's the challenge Islam faces in the West: to explain that modern salafists are basing their interpretations on distortions of the texts, and not drawing correct and inescapable conclusions from a crystal-clear message. To convince non-Muslims that there is nothing in genuine Islamic belief that could be misused in such a way. If that isn't possible, if it isn't clearly communicated, I fear there's going to continue to be a profound mistrust about what Muslims actually believe.

This is a bullshit non-argument. You hand wave away EVERY extremist action with "well they're just not interpreting the book right"

Nope, because that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that's the struggle Islam faces: to convince non-believers that the salafists are the ones who are getting it wrong. If Muslims in the West can't win that struggle -- either because they're not making the argument clearly and loudly enough, or because the struggle is fundamentally unwinnable because there's no such argument to be made -- then Muslims here will always be regarded with distrust.
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GunmaN1905 posted...

Btw, what's with the liberals supporting muslims?
Islam literally goes against every liberal idea.

I strongly dislike Islam because -- in common with other irrational belief systems that seek to control people with myths, fairy tales and superstitions ultimately backed by the threat of heavenly (or earthly) punishment for dissenters -- it's an ideology that fits into the liberal secular humanistic society that I believe in about as well as a square peg in a round hole.

But that doesn't mean you can't separate the human rights and civil liberties of the holders of a belief from criticism of the belief itself. (No ideology is, or should be, immune from criticism.) There's no contradiction between being willing to criticize Islam as a flawed ideology and being willing to defend Muslims from injustice or violence -- any more than there's a contradiction between pointing out that Scientology is a fraud and insisting that Scientologists are entitled to constitutional rights.

However, liberals should also fight tooth and nail against giving sharia law an inch of extra space.
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Hexenherz posted...

unpleasant_milk posted...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/08/british-muslims-islamophobic-country-jobs

With Muslims constantly spoken of or portrayed in a negative way, it%u2019s no wonder we struggle to get jobs and be socially mobile

I wonder what it could be perhaps, that is contributing towards this negative portrayal?

Wouldn't have anything to do with oh I dunno, all those terrorist attacks done by Islamists?

They must accept that all these vile deeds done in its name must have an effect on how the religion and its followers are perceived.

That's not really a fair statement.
The majority of Muslims in the country are trying to live a normal life there. They're literally not all terrorists and the majority of them don't condone terrorist attacks in countries that have taken them in.

Also I don't know how it is in UK, but having followed French politics on and off for more than the last decade, it's obvious that some European countries have institutionalized islamophobic policies and it's really difficult for any demographic to prosper under such restrictions.

Here's part of the problem. Islam gives an impression that the faith has dangerous weak spots of interpretation. That there are suras and hadiths that can be all too easily twisted to convince the susceptible and those attracted to radical, violent solutions that there is scriptural justification -- even a mandate -- for terrible atrocities. Many non-Muslims refuse to believe that it's possible for someone to be ‘radicalized’ into doing something that's genuinely profoundly contradictory to their personality and beliefs. Instead, they suspect that cultural conditioning – and by that, I mean the role of Islam in someone’s upbringing -- has a lot to do with the softening-up process and makes indoctrination easy.

That's the challenge Islam faces in the West: to explain that modern salafists are basing their interpretations on distortions of the texts, and not drawing theologically correct and inescapable conclusions from what is in fact a crystal-clear message. To convince non-Muslims that there is nothing in genuine Islamic belief that could be misused in such a way. If that isn't possible, if it isn't clearly communicated, I fear there's going to continue to be a profound mistrust about what Muslims actually believe.
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mastermix3000 posted...

Idk but why date a fat girl

For me, the reason's because I like fat girls. ;-)

Yeah, yeah, I know: it's hard for some guys to wrap their head around. But that's cool -- I'm not evangelizing a cause, or anything. Just pointing out that guys like me are out there, and you're free to be as sceptical as you like, but we're not all fat, ugly, awkward, or otherwise terminally virginal. I'm attracted to girls of all (well -- most) shapes and sizes, but there's no denying that fat girls are my extra special favourites, my Christmas candy treats, my crack cocaine with sugar and cream on top. It's just the way my libido's wired, I guess.
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Everything depends on just how fat you're thinking of...
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I remember being shocked to see news footage of a crazed mob tearing down a statue of Saddam Hussein -- an Iraqi statesman who left an indelible stamp on the history of his country -- and worse still, Western media treating this mindless display of vandalism as if it was something understandable and even laudable. This contempt for history and heritage is just political correctness gone mad.
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Eh, the work itself could be less boring, but we all get on great as a team, we've got plenty of nice pretty girls to look at and brighten up the day, there are social activities and a few perks -- it makes the work worth it.
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Yes. It'd be really, really inconvenient.
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

Yeah it's sadist to want people to live healthier lives. Oh the horror!

Yeah, I'm sure all the fun-poking, insults, abuse, prejudice, and dehumanization are purely out of touching concern for someone else's state of health.

There's offering encouragement, advice and support to help someone make necessary changes in their lifestyle; and then there's being a complete fucking prick whose favourite bloodsport is bullying vulnerable targets for the sheer fun of it. If you can't see the difference, it sounds like you slot into the "fucking prick" category.

I've known plenty of fat people who work hard at their job and are good at their job, create wealth or provide valuable services, and pay their taxes and insurance -- and are thus a thousand times more necessary and important than skinny losers, spongers and wasters who do none of the above but who still have a superiority complex on account of their BMI. Fat people who are loyal friends, good parents, loving partners, and caring citizens. Decent people.

Yet all of that means jack shit to blinkered, bigoted boneheads who see only a fat person because that's all they know about them and it's all they think they need to know about them -- because as far as they're concerned, someone's entire worth as a human being is tied to the way they look.
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In a way. I've still got their ashes.
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Because no one needs shit from boneheads who think someone's worth as a human being is intimately tied to what they look like, and who just enjoy bullying fat people because it's the last bastion of bigotry that can still safely get a pat on the head from other petty-sadist boneheads. Or something.
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I'm not sure we'd ever get together, let alone stay together, because of the age gap.
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Expected to read that your phone wandered off into traffic.
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mastermix3000 posted...

no it isn't it's just like sleep, how is it depressing

The thought of never waking up is depressing, unless you never have anything to do when you're awake.
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mastermix3000 posted...

Anyway, the more I think about it, the less worried I get. It's going to happen to me and anybody reading this topic

It is the absolutely inescapable, 100% certainty that every single person will have to face at some point sooner or later. Every single man, woman and child alive or yet unborn -- everyone you know, have ever known, or will ever know, will join ultimately that infinitely long line of humanity marching into eternal darkness. The relentless inevitability of it is depressing; on the other hand, you'll be joining the biggest club in the world.

I thought about death a lot after my parents died. I figured it's not healthy to dwell on it for too long. Just delay it for as long as you can and fill the time you have as well as you're able, so at least you'll carry fewer regrets with you as you bump about in the box on the way to the cemetery. That's the best you can hope for.
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That sounds interesting.
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KhlavicLanguage posted...

for a bunch of 160 IQ braniac masters of engineering and geopolitics and racial theory you guys sure have trouble noticing someone lazily pulling your leg on an internet forum for the millionth time

We'd be more sceptical if we didn't know there really are genuine dolts with shit for brains out there.

Someone should tell the trolls there comes a point where if you act the role for too long, you unconsciously become the role. And "too long" seems to be about ten minutes.
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Be more productive with my time, probably.
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itachi15243 posted...

This topic is dumb as fuck.

Which says something about its creator.
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s0nicfan posted...

Here's an important difference between this religion and another one famous for violence:

O Babylon, you will be destroyed.
Happy is the one who pays you back
for what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who takes your babies
and smashes them against the rocks!

Here we see that the psalm is specifically praising the person or people who takes revenge for how they were treated. It says that someone else will pay them back for what was done to them. It does NOT say "smash their babies against the rocks" but instead says "we'll celebrate when someone smashes your babies into rocks". It does not explicitly call anyone to violence, even though it is itself violent.


Now let's compare it to THIS passage:

"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

See how it strictly differs from the passive psalm verse? This is a direct command to the reader, not a general hope that "someone, some day" will take revenge. It goes even further and says not only to fight, but fight until there is only belief and all the non believers are dead. Except for polytheists, who should be killed outright no matter what.

I'm not seeing a profound moral difference between wishing for mass infanticide and advocating ceaseless warfare against non-believers.
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I thoroughly concur with the topic title. :-)

And I've said it before, but I'll say it again: I don't want doormats -- I want self-confident, sassy, savvy, sexually assertive fat girls. They really hit all the right buttons for me, hard.
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No, but if the self-appointed style gestapo did indeed vent their disgust at my daring to like things that I like instead of what they like, I wouldn't react as if I'd just had my religious faith profaned.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Peanut butter and onion

I can confirm the truth of this.
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Heavier-than-air machines will never fly.
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What kind of weights are you lifting?
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12 Monkeys.
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Well, thank God she doesn't make negative generalizations about people based on their skin colour.
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ClockworkHare posted...

Sharia Law sounds like a 90's sitcom drama about a single female lawyer and the pressures of dealing with her uterus in America.

You must be thinking of Shania Law, which ran for one season in 1992 and starred Cybill Shepherd. Or did I dream it?
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Dave "Disco King" Norris.
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ExtremeLuchador posted...

Most people dislike their wives/husbands to begin with.

Not true. They might dislike the feeling of not having enough personal time and space of their own, though. I suppose separation could be seen as an opportunity to rediscover lost freedoms.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Fatness, for some reason, people feel they have to comment on. They aren't harming you but you not being able to call them fat without being shamed for it is somehow "fat acceptance"

I've never personally known any fat girl in real life who tried to kid me, or others, or herself, that she wasn't fat. But I've known plenty who hated being labelled "fatty" as if it was their name -- the word "fat" constantly being sloshed around like a slop bucket full of shit, as if it wasn't simply a description of their body shape but the key to their very identity, a synecdoche of their profound human worthlessness. And let's not pretend otherwise: that is the way a lot of people love to slap that shit on. I can understand why some girls get a tad touchy about that.

Because a lot of the time, it's not even criticism; it's straightforward dehumanization, pure and simple -- as if someone's entire human worth is tied to the way they look. That's not concern for anyone's health. Most of the time it's a bloodsport for petty sadists who really just enjoy bullying vulnerable people because it's the last bastion of bigotry that can still get an approving pat on the head.

I've known plenty of fat men and women who are great people, lovely people. While they might benefit from encouragement, advice and support to make changes in their lifestyle, they do not deserve to be treated as if they're just shit on the sole of your shoe. Fat people who work hard at their job and are good at their job, create wealth or provide valuable services, and pay their taxes and insurance are a thousand times more necessary and important than skinny losers, spongers and wasters who do none of the above but who still have a superiority complex on account of their BMI.

All I ask is that you (that's a generic "you") resist the temptation to dehumanize or abuse people just because you don't find them fuckable. If you've ever heard (and you probably haven’t) someone argue that all men have a duty to find all body types attractive, then at the end of the day it's simply a backlash against that deeply-ingrained and nasty habit. Sure, there's a little overcompensation in that backlash. But come on guys, let's not kid ourselves: men everywhere aren't really being bullied into cowed conformity by an all-powerful conspiracy of fat acceptance activists. We're not being bludgeoned into meek acceptance of every crazy, impossible standard forced upon us by some sinister SJW caliphate. It’s not happening.

So there's a handful of shrill-voiced fat acceptance blogs uttering demands and complaints? Pfft. They’re the equivalent of pissing up against a waterfall, because the overwhelming cascade of shit continues to pour over the precipice in the opposite direction. The unpalatable truth is that casual (and not-so-casual) bullying, denigration and dehumanization of people (and especially of women) on account of their BMI is still very much one of the most widespread and popular bloodsports in everyday society. You'd need to be wilfully blind, deaf, stupid, mad and forgetful to deny it. Fake martyrs for free speech, fear not: no nasty SJW gestapo is going to gag you and snatch away your God-given right to be a cruel shithead to fatties, if such be your way of filling the vacuum of your life. You'll always have places like GameFAQs and a zillion other social media spaces to do that.

So if a self-confident fat chick with a sassy blog occasionally kicks against the pricks because she's sick of being told she's the ugliest and most disgusting pig on the planet on account of her being two or three sizes too big, I reckon a little overcompensation's forgivable; and no, I don't think it spells the end of Western civilization as we know it.
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Attack with lethal intent, using whatever deadly weapon I can grab within a few seconds from my bedroom: pillows, an alarm clock, running shoes, TV remote control...

On a serious note, I did once get burgled while I was asleep and living on my own. Freaked the living bejeesus put of me so much (they actually opened my bedroom door while I was asleep -- I know that because they left it open) that for several weeks afterwards, I slept with all the kitchen knives under my pillow.
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Being homeless (thank God, for a short time) here too. Short of terminal or crippling illness, it's tough to think of worse circumstances to find yourself in.
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No problem for me.
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Tappor posted...

Not I, unfortunately.

I lost it to someone I only feel indifference for now.

I wouldn't mind betting there are plenty of people who don't pairbond for life with the person they lose their virginity to, so don't regret it too much.
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Alcohol can be a cruel mistress.
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Gunpo posted...

Space isnt even real

If the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into?
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Surely the biggest logical argument against human-to-human reincarnation is that unless the rates of births and deaths are equal, there are either too few or too many bodies to go around to be occupied by transmigrating souls?
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For me, it's because I'm into fat girls. Nothing hotter than watching an assquake measuring 6.5 on the Richter scale right in front of you while you're busy smacking up against all that meat. Plus, those pendulous tits and belly are like poetry in motion in that position.
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If we have an infinite succession of lives but have consciousness and memories of only the one we're currently experiencing, then I feel short-changed -- because to me, that seems pretty much like having only one life.
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Well ... some lesbians, maybe.
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Awesome posted...

100 years from the human perspective is already a long time

That's true enough; but the thought if our male ancestors all managed to father children at the age of 60, then we'd only need to go back 16 generations to have an ancestor who lived a thousand years ago -- now that blows my mind. Well, a bit.
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Still making the mistake of thinking that their own corner of it represents the whole of global humanity.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

If we are talking real life, and i've never mentioned this to a single soul in my life, i've been married 13 years. With that said, there is this woman I work with that I continue to feel like I am compatible with, is sexy and attractive, and we have a lot in common on a lot of levels. I'm the manager, she's my employee, and also 12 years younger than me (i'm 36, she's 24 before you all think i'm some sort of perv) but i've been crushing on her for a while. It's the only single person that i've felt this way about since i've been married, I don't feel guilty about it either, i've not acted in favor of it at all, and don't feel bad about how my brain works.

I empathize. Life can be very complicated sometimes.
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