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Go get the paperwork to have him involuntarily committed. Cite the numerous instances you told everyone here, make him seem like a danger to himself or others.

Get a 72-hour psych hold. Use that time to come up with a better solution.
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darkprince45 posted...

Irony posted...

Maybe in noncombat roles with no deployment

Then what's the point? Every soldier should be combat ready

Lololololololololol

If you were in the military, you'd know every soldier is most certainly NOT combat ready.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Likely story, TC. She "had to work a 15 hour shift" like my dad "just ran out for a pack of cigarettes."
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Patchwork posted...

Study to support the easy access to firearms correlation, specifically among vets?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/guns-suicide/
https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2015/12/access-to-guns-and-suicide
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-suicides-guns-state-laws-second-amendment-20150826-story.html

I've seen the first one. I'll read the others. Do these pertain specifically to vets, or to society in general?
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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LittleRoyal posted...

But military already has lots of benefits and they're getting paid for it.

What we should just do whatever they want? Because again it's not like we don't give any benefits to military's personnel and yes they are heroes for what they do but it doesn't mean my taxes should pay for that really. It's something you want for yourself it doesn't help anyone and you have a job that pays you money already anyway.


Especially when lots of people don't even believe in that stuff. Our military budget should be focused on health (they need), training, weapons, recruitment. Not on feelings really.

If we focus our budget on feelings it should be to make sure they can see their family more! ^.^

It's something we might not feel that they need, per se, but that individual may feel he or she needs it. I don't know that men necessarily NEED viagara, but it's paid for by the military. Now, I'm not equating costs here like some outlets have done because that's ridiculous; the number of men vs. the number of transgender people makes it an unfair monetary comparison. But it's an optional "medication" that is paid for by us, the taxpayers.

Where we differ here seems to be what you're willing to allow your tax dollars to go to, and what you're not. That's fine. I'm okay with paying for these surgeries and medications for any veteran.

I'm honestly tired of arguing on here about it all. I get where you're coming from, partly, but I can't agree.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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DeroIin posted...

Patchwork posted...

Everyone that is brought into this administration seems to erode into this kind of erratic behavior. It's strange.

Erode? This dude became Comm director just last week

I know. Scary, right?
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Everyone that is brought into this administration seems to erode into this kind of erratic behavior. It's strange.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

Patchwork posted...

That's not at all the reason given, though.

The suicide rates of vets are higher because they have easier access to guns. It's already been shown that suicide rates skyrocket when convenient access to handguns are increased.

Study to support the easy access to firearms correlation, specifically among vets?
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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LittleRoyal posted...

Patchwork posted...

LittleRoyal posted...

The argument isn't that you're unworthy it's that your medicine and treatments are a personal choice not something our military should be paying for

And the weird argument is that taking pills and going through surgery has a heightened chance to give you extreme emotions like aggression or depression and you don't want soldiers who have weapons are see a lot of really crazy and sad stuff to get spouts of aggression or depression.




Bitch

The price tag on this is unbelievably small, considering the astronomical military budget.

Are you legit saying we should be spending hundreds and thousands of dollars on trans surgeries and medicine that they want, not need?

I'm saying I'm already paying high taxes to support an astronomical military budget, and eliminating this practice (by banning transgender people from service) will not in any way impact me financially, so that would be a pretty stupid way to justify my position one way or the other.

You won't reap benefits from the military not paying for these operations.

Besides, they chose to serve this country, and I appreciate their service and their willingness to lay down their lives for our freedoms if need be. So, if they want medicine and surgery, sure; go ahead. You earned it by putting yourself between me and my nation's enemies.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Yes. That's why she's a bad example. There's an active Air Force transgender man that has come out against the ban recently. That's a better example.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

LittleRoyal posted...

The argument isn't that you're unworthy it's that your medicine and treatments are a personal choice not something our military should be paying for

And the weird argument is that taking pills and going through surgery has a heightened chance to give you extreme emotions like aggression or depression and you don't want soldiers who have weapons are see a lot of really crazy and sad stuff to get spouts of aggression or depression.




Bitch

The price tag on this is unbelievably small, considering the astronomical military budget.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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SSJ-JohnLennon posted...

Patchwork posted...

And worrying about suicide rates among transgenders is ridiculous considering suicide rates among veterans.

That's exactly why it's a problem.

That's not at all the reason given, though. Show me the suicide rates of transgender vets, and we'll talk.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Magic.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Zeus posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

This is EXACTLY why society needs to remove the stigma that transgender individuals, or even just homosexuals, are some kind of 'disgusting' form of people.,

....no, this is exactly why they should disclose given that this deception is tantamount to rape (or the lesser charge of surprise sex)

No, it isn't. Evidenced by the case I cited earlier. There are more heinous cases of deceptive sexual encounters that don't meet the legal threshold of rape.

Go read, and learn, and stop making shit up.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

E32005 posted...

@Mal_Fet

eat some crow for your other shit topic

They disqualify people over 80 inches tall from enlisting because they don't want to order more uniform sizes.

Go ahead, tell them that aren't worthy enough to serve.

Still waitin MAL

- Serving in the military is not a right
- It's immoral to demand soldiers entrust their lives to individuals prone to suicide, as transgenders overwhelmingly are
- The cost of GRS is not fiscally sound, especially when there are much more minor cost-saving measures that even disqualify people who are too short and too tall.
- General Fuckin Mattis agrees that trans people shouldn't serve.

I'm not sure how to make this simpler for you.

Instead, Beck should walk their ass up to Mattis and tell him that they know more about running a military than Mad Dog Mattis does.

Mattis had no hand in the transgender military ban.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mattis-vacation-appaulled-trump-trans-ban-2017-7

And worrying about suicide rates among transgenders is ridiculous considering suicide rates among veterans. Maybe transgender individuals would be less likely to commit suicide if shit like this wasn't treating them like they're not people?

Just a thought.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Patchwork posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Patchwork posted...

Z: No, I'm asking whether that was a real case you were referencing, and if so, what is it so that I can read the actual case?

Also:

...one case, a man from Westfield, Mass., was accused of rape after he allegedly impersonated his brother in order to have sex with his brother’s girlfriend in the middle of the night. The sex was consensual, but the court ruled that “intercourse where consent is achieved by fraud does not constitute rape...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38430181/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/could-pick-up-artist-be-charged-rape-deception/

Ya that's a similar argument albeit a bit more "severe" than I was going for since he willingly assumed someone else's identity for it.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/20/woman-who-wore-fake-penis-tricked-blindfolded-friend-to-having-sex-with-her-sentenced.amp.html

I apologize for the link though I just grabbed the first one I saw after typing in friend tricked blindfolded friend in.

For the record I'm fairly indifferent in the matter myself, I just like the discussion it's generating.

That's not the same thing.

You're likening a blindfolded woman to a man with all of his faculties, and a friend who willfully took advantage of her as opposed to a hook up between two very much consenting adults.

The idea that the transgender woman USED to be a man, though damaging to the man's ego apparently, doesn't constitute rape. She's a woman, with (apparently) all of a woman's parts, who identifies as a woman, clearly.

It's a completely different scenario.

I should clarify I'm not one advocating it being the same as rape.

I'm talking strictly in regards to things like NIED. Akin to a conman if you will because they're a nothing inherently wrong with pulling a con yet it's still illegal and considered morally wrong.

In that case, you're arguing that this transgender woman being who she identifies as is negligent.

I don't agree with that.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Patchwork posted...

Z: No, I'm asking whether that was a real case you were referencing, and if so, what is it so that I can read the actual case?

Also:

...one case, a man from Westfield, Mass., was accused of rape after he allegedly impersonated his brother in order to have sex with his brother’s girlfriend in the middle of the night. The sex was consensual, but the court ruled that “intercourse where consent is achieved by fraud does not constitute rape...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38430181/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/could-pick-up-artist-be-charged-rape-deception/

Ya that's a similar argument albeit a bit more "severe" than I was going for since he willingly assumed someone else's identity for it.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/20/woman-who-wore-fake-penis-tricked-blindfolded-friend-to-having-sex-with-her-sentenced.amp.html

I apologize for the link though I just grabbed the first one I saw after typing in friend tricked blindfolded friend in.

For the record I'm fairly indifferent in the matter myself, I just like the discussion it's generating.

That's not the same thing.

You're likening a blindfolded woman to a man with all of his faculties, and a friend who willfully took advantage of her as opposed to a hook up between two very much consenting adults.

The idea that the transgender woman USED to be a man, though damaging to the man's ego apparently, doesn't constitute rape. She's a woman, with (apparently) all of a woman's parts, who identifies as a woman, clearly.

It's a completely different scenario.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Z: No, I'm asking whether that was a real case you were referencing, and if so, what is it so that I can read the actual case?

Also:

...one case, a man from Westfield, Mass., was accused of rape after he allegedly impersonated his brother in order to have sex with his brother’s girlfriend in the middle of the night. The sex was consensual, but the court ruled that “intercourse where consent is achieved by fraud does not constitute rape...

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/38430181/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/could-pick-up-artist-be-charged-rape-deception/
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Z, what's the case?
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Sandman: Not responding to you. Should've quoted the post above yours. My fault.

Though, on the subject you brought up, you'd also be subject to the courts deciding whether the transgender individual will be judged as their identified gender or not. So, that's going to be a lot more difficult than you think.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

That's not even the same scenario, or even close.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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Mr Sandbag posted...

Patchwork posted...

Tomi Lahren is a moron.

That not-so subtle sexism.

Sexism? Really? Do elaborate.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
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RockRapDubstep posted...

Barenziah Boy Toy posted...

RockRapDubstep posted...

No, it's like if a man pretended to be a woman and mislead you into having sex with them.

A transgender individual IS NOW a woman. There is no legal duty to disclose your past.

A transgender individual is a transgender individual.
If you're knowingly deceiving someone into a sexual act with you, it's rape. It's pretty black and white.
There's no reason you wouldn't disclose that unless you felt like the person wouldn't sleep with you if they knew. How is that not rape?
Trans people are a very divisive thing and trans people know that. They know exactly what they're doing when they don't tell someone, it's rape.
And if this dumb ass had been transparent up front they wouldn't have been stabbed 119 times to death. He would've just bailed and everyone would've gone home fine.
Not only are you deceiving someone into sex by not telling them, but you're also endangering your well being. You'd have to be stupid not to disclose it, there's no reason not to.

It isn't rape. It was consensual sex on the part of both people. There is no duty to inform about previous gender identity.

Also, it's a disgusting thing to blame a murder victim; you need to reevaluate your priorities.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Tomi Lahren is a moron.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Each episode is so god damn expensive to make, they're just trying to get that back.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

:(
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.

Because it's cool to be self sufficient.

Or not. Do you.
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The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n.