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A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

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CrimsonRage posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

Random Youtube guy said it so it must be true

Care to debunk the points rather than the source?

Why should I dignify it? Literally right-wing garbage alarmist crap from a Youtube guy.

Show me a reputable source and I'll look into it.

Because if you don't "dignify" it, you're basically admitting it has merit. There are sources in the description of the video on YouTube.

Sorta like how ignoring all those accusations that you're a child molester proves the accusations have merit.

Oh wait, that's wrong. That's not how anything works at all.

No, it doesn't "prove" it, it merely suggests it. There's a difference. I mean, come on. Leftists accused Trump of being a white supremacist because he wouldn't specifically disavow the actual white supremacists at Charlottesville, so clearly this type of thinking has some merit with leftists too.

I suppose Obama ignoring Trump was proof that he was actually a Kenyan sleeper agent.

Adequate proof? No. But by not addressing and refuting the claim, he did raise suspicion. I don't suspect him of being a Kenyan sleeper agent or a non-American, but I know some people did and still do. Of course, the fact that people use this line of thinking doesn't make it valid. Still, that's just how the average human mind works, and public figures should know this.
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metralo posted...

so is falling for some youtube bullshit right-wing propaganda that is doing nothing but fear mongering

Let's assume that you're correct, and that this video is indeed just propaganda. Maybe it is, I don't know.

Getting fooled into believing an idea is morally reprehensible? I guess everyone in the world without exception is morally reprehensible then, as everyone has made this type of mistake at least once in their life. If this is really what you believe, then you must lead a very miserable life, and I'm genuinely sorry that's the case.
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metralo posted...

good

This is a good thing? Antifa is threatening Civil War, which would undoubtedly result in multiple deaths, and you find this to be "good"? I don't care where you are on the political spectrum, this is morally reprehensible.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

Random Youtube guy said it so it must be true

Care to debunk the points rather than the source?

Why should I dignify it? Literally right-wing garbage alarmist crap from a Youtube guy.

Show me a reputable source and I'll look into it.

Because if you don't "dignify" it, you're basically admitting it has merit. There are sources in the description of the video on YouTube.

Sorta like how ignoring all those accusations that you're a child molester proves the accusations have merit.

Oh wait, that's wrong. That's not how anything works at all.

No, it doesn't "prove" it, it merely suggests it. There's a difference. I mean, come on. Leftists accused Trump of being a white supremacist because he wouldn't specifically disavow the actual white supremacists at Charlottesville, so clearly this type of thinking has some merit with leftists too.
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CrimsonRage posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

CrimsonRage posted...

Random Youtube guy said it so it must be true

Care to debunk the points rather than the source?

Why should I dignify it? Literally right-wing garbage alarmist crap from a Youtube guy.

Show me a reputable source and I'll look into it.

Because if you don't "dignify" it, you're basically admitting it has merit. There are sources in the description of the video on YouTube.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

prince_leo posted...

Except this implies that the two are mutually exclusive, which they're not. "pansy liberal snowflakes" can mean that they (the alt-left/progressives/regressives) get riled up over anything and anyone that does not conform to their belief system, and they do. After getting riled up, they typically do commit violent acts, as seen by Antifa and BLM.
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CrimsonRage posted...

Random Youtube guy said it so it must be true

Care to debunk the points rather than the source?
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Yaridovich posted...

Tch... What's so civil about it anyway

Nothing. It's about civillians of a given country killing each other.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-truth-seeker/

http://www.justfactsdaily.com/media-bias-fact-check-incompetent-or-dishonest/

http://freedomoutpost.com/mediabiasfactcheck-com-is-about-as-biased-as-it-gets-heres-what-they-arent-telling-you/
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Glass_Phantom posted...

I think you need to calm down and not let the forces of right wing alarmist propaganda get to you.

Hey, I never said it was absolutely true. I just said it's scary if true.
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This is pretty scary if true.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Darn that msm, they keep on reporting Trump's direct quotes and keep on allowing them to come to the conclusion that he supports nazis. If only they'd coach them through his speech so they'd all come to the alternate conclusion that he's just a free thinker. I'm not crazy, all of you are crazy!

http://observer.com/2016/08/wikileaks-reveals-mainstream-medias-coziness-with-clinton/

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2010/12/30/wikileaks-the-book-of-revelations-not-if-you-read-the-msm.html

The fact that you put any stock in MSM means I might as well stop arguing with you. Your failure to understand how news bias works just means you shouldn't be arguing politics. I'm not going to bother continuing this debate, since clearly neither of us will be convinced that we're wrong. If you want to claim victory in this debate, that's fine.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Trump's message is crossing language barriers and is still being considered implicit support for neo-nazis. That should tell you something.

Yes, it tells me that Trump's message is likely being purposefully slanted by translators/editors so that people in foreign nations don't start supporting Trump. The Left has done this for a while now. Do you watch CNN and think it's a reliable news source? Is that why you think Trump is all these horrible things?

3rd_Best_Master posted...

But then again, the whole world is crazy, you alone know the truth.

I never once said nor implied this. You also seem to be under the delusion that the whole world thinks Trump is a Neo-Nazi, despite that clearly not being the case if you're defining the "whole world" as every single individual who has knowledge of Trump's existence.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

If I'm transmitting message A but every single receiver is receiving message B then at the end of the day it doesn't matter what message A was really all about, it's the transmitters fault that the receivers are getting the wrong message.

Here we just have a fundamental disagreement. By this logic, I could say "You look nice" in a genuine, innocent tone to a girl, but if she responds with something like "You jerk! I hate you!" then it's somehow my fault for saying what I said rather than her fault for misinterpreting my comment. This is the SJW mentality.

I know you might not want to accept this, but as a general rule of life: offense is taken, not given. If you want to go through life reacting hysterically to every comment you believe is negative like a good little marionette who gets played with by the puppeteer (the person/people giving offense in your eyes), you're going to have a miserable life.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

So why did the neo-nazis interpret that as support?

So...because people claim someone is giving them support, that automatically makes it true? There's no way they could be lying, or would say that because they like to misinterpret what people say just like the SJWs do? Logic really doesn't seem to be the strong suit of the Left these days.

Why would they lie about their interpretation of Trump's support and why does that make more sense to you than them just being honest about what they interpret?

Here's a secret about crazy people: they hear what they want to hear. They make assumptions and leaps of logic that turn someone's insults into compliments, or their genuine compliments into insults. It doesn't matter if they're lying about their interpretation of Trump's support or if they're just crazy and actually telling the truth anyways. It's not up to them to decide whether or not Trump is supporting them, it's up to Trump. Trump has disavowed them many times, and no one has found him secretly supplying these crazy far right groups with money or resources, so it's safe to say he's not one of them.

Imagine writing this post and doing so without the slightest hint of irony.

Okay. Care to come up with a real rebuttal? If my post is so bad, you should be able to disprove it with a valid argument of your own.

"It's not that Liberals correctly interpret Trump's remarks as equalizing the actions of neo-nazis with their opponents and thus gave them his implicit support, and it's not that neo-nazis also interpret Trump's remarks as equalizing their actions and thus granting his implicit support, it's that both of those sides are crazy; unlike me."

Sure bro, if pretending like the whole world is just seeing what they want to see while you alone have the real truth is the hill you want to die on then so be it.

Except he condemned both sides. It seems you're an example of a person who only hears what they want to hear and reads what they want to read. You're also resorting to ad hominems already...why? I don't believe I insulted you or a group you're a part of first, so I don't get why you're insulting me.

I don't think that everyone who hears what they want to hear/reads what they want to read is crazy, but they are certainly misled by the media.

This whole situation is like if someone accuses me of being a Neo-Nazi and then an actual Neo-Nazi agrees that I am a Neo-Nazi. It doesn't matter whether or not I really did/said anything a Neo-Nazi would do/say, I'm now a Neo-Nazi just because two people said so. Doesn't that sound unfair to the person being accused? What if that person was you? Do you think you would find it fair then? This is exactly the situation Trump is in.
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Twinmold posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

So why did the neo-nazis interpret that as support?

So...because people claim someone is giving them support, that automatically makes it true? There's no way they could be lying, or would say that because they like to misinterpret what people say just like the SJWs do? Logic really doesn't seem to be the strong suit of the Left these days.

Why would they lie about their interpretation of Trump's support and why does that make more sense to you than them just being honest about what they interpret?

Here's a secret about crazy people: they hear what they want to hear. They make assumptions and leaps of logic that turn someone's insults into compliments, or their genuine compliments into insults. It doesn't matter if they're lying about their interpretation of Trump's support or if they're just crazy and actually telling the truth anyways. It's not up to them to decide whether or not Trump is supporting them, it's up to Trump. Trump has disavowed them many times, and no one has found him secretly supplying these crazy far right groups with money or resources, so it's safe to say he's not one of them.

Imagine writing this post and doing so without the slightest hint of irony.

Okay. Care to come up with a real rebuttal? If my post is so bad, you should be able to disprove it with a valid argument of your own.

Literally describing the mental illness that is Trump supporters.

Except I'm not. You're going to have to expand on this if you want to prove that I am.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

So why did the neo-nazis interpret that as support?

So...because people claim someone is giving them support, that automatically makes it true? There's no way they could be lying, or would say that because they like to misinterpret what people say just like the SJWs do? Logic really doesn't seem to be the strong suit of the Left these days.

Why would they lie about their interpretation of Trump's support and why does that make more sense to you than them just being honest about what they interpret?

Here's a secret about crazy people: they hear what they want to hear. They make assumptions and leaps of logic that turn someone's insults into compliments, or their genuine compliments into insults. It doesn't matter if they're lying about their interpretation of Trump's support or if they're just crazy and actually telling the truth anyways. It's not up to them to decide whether or not Trump is supporting them, it's up to Trump. Trump has disavowed them many times, and no one has found him secretly supplying these crazy far right groups with money or resources, so it's safe to say he's not one of them.

Imagine writing this post and doing so without the slightest hint of irony.

Okay. Care to come up with a real rebuttal? If my post is so bad, you should be able to disprove it with a valid argument of your own.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

So why did the neo-nazis interpret that as support?

So...because people claim someone is giving them support, that automatically makes it true? There's no way they could be lying, or would say that because they like to misinterpret what people say just like the SJWs do? Logic really doesn't seem to be the strong suit of the Left these days.

Why would they lie about their interpretation of Trump's support and why does that make more sense to you than them just being honest about what they interpret?

Here's a secret about crazy people: they hear what they want to hear. They make assumptions and leaps of logic that turn someone's insults into compliments, or their genuine compliments into insults. It doesn't matter if they're lying about their interpretation of Trump's support or if they're just crazy and actually telling the truth anyways. It's not up to them to decide whether or not Trump is supporting them, it's up to Trump. Trump has disavowed them many times, and no one has found him secretly supplying these crazy far right groups with money or resources, so it's safe to say he's not one of them.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

So why did the neo-nazis interpret that as support?

So...because people claim someone is giving them support, that automatically makes it true? There's no way they could be lying, or would say that because they like to misinterpret what people say just like the SJWs do? Logic really doesn't seem to be the strong suit of the Left these days.
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--kresnik-- posted...

Obama

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CADE FOSTER posted...

Vertania posted...

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Gamer99z posted...

Why did it take the right so long to condemn the alt right, neo nazis, white nationalists, etc?

Neither side wants to acknowledge their fringe far leaning divisions.

"but nazis!"

The right did condemn them. The left was too busy flipping out over the "many sides" comment (literally defending Antifa) to see that.

Our president didnt several times sided with them

No, he acknowledged that the problem did not just lie with them. That does not equal supporting Neo Nazis or White Nationalists. Y'all are delusional if you think Trump is an actual racist and White Nationalist. Too much CNN.
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You know, I'm pretty sure I've seen this poll before. Did GameFAQs not have enough submissions recently?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

I_Abibde posted...

DevilSummoner1 posted...

sunny probably wrote that

If so, at least he has a good time spending time with himself.

I mean, in today's world, it's important to have good self-esteem, right?

There are 3 possible scenarios.

The confessor was serious, if so they can feel free to pm me.

The confessor was me, which it wasn't. I'm crazy but not that kind of crazy.

The confessor was trolling, knowing the board would think I made it.

Or the confessor was you, and you're double-bluffing us :D
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Lokarin posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

Lokarin posted...

Something like 0.5/200

So...legally blind?

Idk what the legal limit is, but without my glasses I can't see past about 6 inches.

I mean, i can "see" in the sense that I can perceive giant blobs of colour, like I can discern a car from the road, but that's about it.

Unless that car is the color of the asphalt? Heh, car camo!
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Lokarin posted...

Something like 0.5/200

So...legally blind?
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SushiSquid posted...

I don't think I ever insulted anyone here

Dude:

I wouldn't be surprised if a few of you support Antifa too.

Not an insult, though. It's not like I said "I bet you guys support Antifa." I said "I wouldn't be surprised" which has a different meaning.

Sure, it's still an ad hominem though. Regardless, I stated my argument and point right before I used it, so your whole "You have no argument!" assertion is baseless.
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SushiSquid posted...

Resorting to ad hominem attacks shows you don't have an argument, but okay, let's cover my background. I was a Republican before Donald Trump. I voted for McCain and Romney. I voted for Kasich in the primary this past season. You keep making these assumptions about me because you don't agree with me, but it's bullshit.

I care about my country, not some political party. Trump is a danger to this nation, and he's a liar. I cannot believe all of the Republicans who fell for his lies.

I don't think I ever insulted anyone here. That's what an ad hominem is. If I did hurl an insult, it was at leftists in general, and if you're not a leftist, then it wasn't directed at you. You're just going off the rails here mate. Best call it quits.
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SushiSquid posted...

You clearly don't care about finding truth, but about pushing an agenda

I could say the same about you guys. You all clearly just want to discredit Trump at any cost. I wouldn't be surprised if a few of you support Antifa too.

SushiSquid posted...

Wow. You literally ignored the very next line. Reasons require evidence, you ignored the evidence, then you complained that I gave no evidence. Holy s***. Seriously?

Considering I told you why your "evidence" is unreliable at best, why should I act like you did give reliable evidence? You clearly ignored where I explained that your "evidence" comes from significantly biased sources, which renders them unreliable.
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Monopoman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

Monopoman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

So your point is Trump is such a blowhard that he can't lie? Umm okay.... the problem with that is his supporters believe everything he says as 100% true facts. I don't think being a guy that over exaggerates and lives in his own world on how things happen remove him from being labeled a liar.

No, my point is that he hasn't lied yet. I don't think Trump is incapable of lying lol. If he says, "I think gay marriage is a bad thing" and then goes on to say "Gay marriage is A-ok with me, and always has been" then yes, I will call him a liar right with you guys. Until that happens, I'm inclined to not read too much into what he says.

He has lied look at the source above its the NY times so don't get too triggered though.

I already explained why that source is invalid, and even addressed a specific "lie" to prove my point. Also, I like how you're projecting.
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Monopoman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

So your point is Trump is such a blowhard that he can't lie? Umm okay.... the problem with that is his supporters believe everything he says as 100% true facts. I don't think being a guy that over exaggerates and lives in his own world on how things happen remove him from being labeled a liar.

No, my point is that he hasn't lied yet. I don't think Trump is incapable of lying lol. If he says, "I think gay marriage is a bad thing" and then goes on to say "Gay marriage is A-ok with me, and always has been" then yes, I will call him a liar right with you guys. Until that happens, I'm inclined to not read too much into what he says.
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SushiSquid posted...

The President is a known liar

But this is begging the question, which is a logical fallacy. Stop acting like your reasoning is flawless when it's not.

Is he indeed a known liar? He is a known windbag and saying some pretty dumb things for sure, but lying is not part of his MO. Again, for there to be a lie, there has to be clear intent to deceive. I've yet to see any quote from Donald Trump where you can say, without reasonable doubt, that he is lying. All I've seen are nitpicks about the veracity of something he says that would not benefit him even if it was true. If there's no motive for the crime, it's safe to say that he probably didn't commit it.

SushiSquid posted...

Then you changed the subject and argued against Clinton, which has nothing to do with this discussion and only shows that you're here not to find truth

No, I didn't really change the subject. We're talking about lies here. I'm pointing out the obvious bias with the Left, and how they're so desperate to prove Trump is a liar yet don't care that they supported someone who is an actual known liar. They just want to bring Trump down to Hillary's level because they're still mad about the election. The real question is: Are you here to find the truth?

And yes, I know what an argument is. I'm not delusional like you leftists. I like how you accuse me of posting nonsense, yet you guys are literally hanging on Trump's every word in a sad attempt to discredit him.
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argonautweakend posted...

are his sources lying though?

Depends on how you define lying. Do you count half-truths as lies? If so, then yeah, those sources probably do have lies in them. The Right is guilty of this sort of thing too, but the Left does this a lot more. I'll address one of the specific points of that nytimes source, though:

"'A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine' (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)"

Lol. Again, Trump isn't the smartest nor best-informed guy. This can be chalked up to Nixon being fairly distant history at this point, and Trump just not caring enough to fact check himself before he blurts out something. Either way, this "lie" is really reaching and nitpicking. The other "lies" they list are similarly nitpicking and trivial. Why doesn't nytimes have a list of all of Hillary Clinton's lies? Her lies are just as numerous as Trumps "lies", and they actually matter.

washingtontimes.com has a sort of list of Hillary's lies (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/19/hillary-clintons-long-list-of-lies/), except it doesn't have all of them. It doesn't even include the lie where she said (years ago): "I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman." Source:



Nowadays, she clearly supports gay marriage. Look, by the time you're 25-30, your world views are pretty set in stone. She's clearly older than 30 in the above video, which leads me to believe that she is definitely lying. She never believed that marriage is a "sacred bond between a man and a woman." If this were the case, she wouldn't have been so okay with her husband cheating on her.

Point is, even sites like washingtontimes.com, which is supposedly right-leaning, doesn't keep a running tally of every single one of Hillary's lies, yet left-leaning sites like nytimes do keep an extensive list of Trump's lies. It's almost like the Left is getting super desperate and just wants to discredit Trump wherever they can, resorting to over-analyzing the smallest statements he makes. It's pathetic.
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SushiSquid posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

When did Trump lie? He's delivering on his promises, and I can't think of another situation where he lied.

Seriously? There are still people who think stuff like this? Our President has by far the most dishonest ranking of anyone from Politifact.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

And the New York Times has published a running list of all of his lies.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

This is a man who lies with such regularity that you cannot trust anything he says without getting it verified. Though the birther shit, he rose to political prominence on a lie, even! How could anyone possibly at this stage not understand that he is a liar?

Zero_Maniac posted...

Too busy doing whatever else he was doing.

Vacationing on public money?

NY Times is well-known for being biased against the right. As for Politifacts:

http://thefederalist.com/2016/12/16/running-data-politifact-shows-bias-conservatives/

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2013/05/28/study-finds-fact-checkers-biased-against-republicans

http://www.truthwiki.org/politifact-com/
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argonautweakend posted...

for starters he lied once about his electoral vote margin. when asked he doubled down and said "i dont know. i was told that"

thats just one. it isnt a gaffe or he misspoke as he was questioned after and doubled down.

Oh no, he was misinformed and acted on it! he must be lying!

Look, I'm a firm believer that you have to have intent to deceive to be lying. How do we know any intent of deception was there? What would he have to gain by it, when the information is pretty out there anyways? I don't think Trump is the smartest guy on Earth, but I think he knew the information was out there. He probably just didn't care to fact check himself. Too busy doing whatever else he was doing.
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darkknight109 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.

1) I'm not a leftist.
2) I just have a fucking brain. If someone lies to you consistently, you stop believing what they say.

Then I hope you don't believe CNN, or any other clearly leftist media outlet, since it has been proven time and time again that the left is lying to everyone. Except you do seem to believe media outlets that are clearly leftist...are you sure you're not a leftist?

So let me see if I've got your argument from this quote chain straight:
1) You're criticizing Sushi for assuming Trump is lying, based on him having done so before.
2) You are assuming that left-wing media is lying, based on them having done so before.

Do I about have the long and short of it?

1. When did Trump lie? He's delivering on his promises, and I can't think of another situation where he lied.
2. Assumptions are only bad when they're false.
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SushiSquid posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.

1) I'm not a leftist.
2) I just have a fucking brain. If someone lies to you consistently, you stop believing what they say.

Then I hope you don't believe CNN, or any other clearly leftist media outlet, since it has been proven time and time again that the left is lying to everyone. Except you do seem to believe media outlets that are clearly leftist...are you sure you're not a leftist?
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SushiSquid posted...

We can assume

That's the problem with you leftists. You just keep assuming things, I'm guessing out of fear and shock from Donald Trump winning the presidency. Anything to get him impeached.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

Erik_P posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

It certainly does seem like Trump Jr. has committed a felony, then. However, I'm inclined to think that what is being said here isn't the whole picture. There's probably other details conveniently left out by the OP and other posters who seem to be adamantly against Trump.

I think it's obvious at this point that even if we link news sources for you to read you're just gonna ignore them and accuse the sources of being anti Trump.

No, I'm willing to listen to reason. If your news sources come from partisan sites like Huffington Post, The Guardian, etc. I will indeed disregard them, though.

So ya made up your mind but your playin like your open if peeps do all the detective work?

I've made up my mind to scrutinize sources people claim to be "reliable", and not to condemn a person so quickly when I probably don't know all the details. I'll do detective work on my own time when I want to (probably within a few days, if you're wondering), so no I do not expect other people to do all the detective work.
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SushiSquid posted...

You'll notice I linked to NPR and BBC for specifically that reason.

http://www.mrc.org/bozells-column/npr-admits-liberal-bias

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC
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Erik_P posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

It certainly does seem like Trump Jr. has committed a felony, then. However, I'm inclined to think that what is being said here isn't the whole picture. There's probably other details conveniently left out by the OP and other posters who seem to be adamantly against Trump.

I think it's obvious at this point that even if we link news sources for you to read you're just gonna ignore them and accuse the sources of being anti Trump.

No, I'm willing to listen to reason. If your news sources come from partisan sites like Huffington Post, The Guardian, etc. I will indeed disregard them, though.
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It certainly does seem like Trump Jr. has committed a felony, then. However, I'm inclined to think that what is being said here isn't the whole picture. There's probably other details conveniently left out by the OP and other posters who seem to be adamantly against Trump.
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Erik_P posted...

There are emails dude. He was at the meeting. If you paid attention to the news you wouldn't be asking such stupid questions.

This is not a valid answer. There are e-mails, yes...but do they say anything about him taking up the Russian offer for campaign support? Does finding dirt on Hillary really count as campaign support? I would think that would be limited strictly to money and other things that actually promote Trump.
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Far-Queue posted...

as if that's realistic or not at all hypocritical.

But it is realistic, and it's not hypocritical. Where are you getting this warped sense of reality from? I miss the days when people actually strived to control their urges, especially when they knew their urges could destroy their life if left unchecked. Now we act like we must act on sexual urges, because we totally don't have the choice to resist them at all. It's like we're lowering ourselves to the same standards as every other animal, as if our higher level thinking can't overwrite our instincts. Utter nonsense.
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Wait, how do we know Trump Jr. took Russia up on the offer for campaign support? If we don't know whether or not he did take this offer, it's stupid to assume guilty.
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ForteGX posted...

Obvious troll topic is obvious. VI is great

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Either California or Alaska.

California for being the land of fruits and nuts, and Alaska for having no sunlight for six months at a time.
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Umitencho posted...

Zeus posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Zeus posted...

CountessRolab posted...

Dreaming_King posted...

Wow, Zeus being hilariously ignorant, again. What a shocker.

The best part is that he doesnt even realize he is a joke on this board, and nobody takes him seriously.

The irony is burning a hole through reality.

keep posting

Ok, if you insist. I'm waiting to hear back from Umitencho and fake SK anyway.

I made my argument and I am done "debating" with you. Idk how things are done here, but I do not get into endless debates with no end in sight. It's simple, you are not cut out for high fantasy at all. I suggest you avoid Tolkien like a plague because he did a lot of what you attacking JKR over to the next level to the point that there are book(s) devoted to just compiling his out of verse statements on his universe.

I will concede my point when you decide and declare that you will only read one shot stories for now on. Since that ain't happening within reason, and I fill like I am gonna be arguing with you in circles, I am ending my contribution to this discussion. Maybe you are one of those "must get the last word in" types?

Wait, is your argument that:

"This person does not like Harry Potter, and therefore would not like any book series similar to it"? If this is your argument, I do have a few criticisms:

1. This statement suggests that Harry Potter is one of the best book series in its genre, which is in fact low fantasy (If you think it's not low fantasy, you don't know the definition of low fantasy). It's not.

2. Even if it were considered a great work, the fact that it is a great work does not mean someone would not enjoy a book series within the same genre of lesser quality. That's just not how it works.
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TyVulpine posted...

@Zeus:
Definition of Conservative: holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.
(Not my wording, that's what comes up when I google.)

Yeah, cautious. Not averse to change or new ideas, but cautious regarding change and new ideas. There's a difference.
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Currant_Kaiser posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Conservatives are closed minded and prefer to live in the past and hate new ideas.

What, so Conservatives can't be open to new ideas? You seem close-minded yourself.

Your views on Conservatism and Liberalism remind me of how I saw both ideologies when I was maybe 13 or 14. you should probably consider refining such a simplistic view one day.

I agree with you, but god damn do you come across as snide.

I'm just tired of people having this dumb view. I'm not going to pull any punches when addressing how juvenile and asinine this line of thinking is.
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TyVulpine posted...

Conservatives are closed minded and prefer to live in the past and hate new ideas.

What, so Conservatives can't be open to new ideas? You seem close-minded yourself.

Your views on Conservatism and Liberalism remind me of how I saw both ideologies when I was maybe 13 or 14. you should probably consider refining such a simplistic view one day.
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