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This is dumb. You can't marry your computer because its not a sentient being capable of consent. When AI reaches that point go right ahead. Polygamy being illegal does seem unfair though.
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How can anyone vote for Sesame Street or Arthur?
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2012 subaru forester
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adjl posted...

Nothing terrifying about it. Just sad, because that's clearly a very sick animal. Poor pupper.

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They would need to cultivate some amazing talent for exclusives.

If they could get a good handful of the following whithin the first 2 or 3 years I'd probably bite.

A 2d sonic as good as they were in there prime 1-3.

a 3d sonic that didnt suck.

a shenmue sequel/reboot/remake

A phantasy star online as charming and fun as the original

An earth worm jim as good as 1 and 2

AAA eternal champions, shinobi, and vector man

as well as keeping up with multiplatform stuff.
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Spagat
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TyVulpine posted...

wwinterj25 posted...

"Officials say Caraway entered the restroom Friday evening.

A Walmart employee checked the door to the stall later that evening and said it was locked, KJRH reported.

An 'out of order' sign was placed on the door.

The door was unlocked Monday, and Caraway's body was found."

Did you miss this part?

No I did not, but three days and nobody went into to even clean it? Just because the toilet wasn't working doesn't mean people might have gone in to wash their hands.

....... The door was locked
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Lightning Bolt posted...

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

For those who picked "Summer" to make it colder, why? I see some of you post the thinking you use "Summer", as in it feels like summer, so you want it to be cooler.

But every thermostat without this weird dial works differently. Think of the one in your home...you turn it to "cool" to make it colder, and "heat" or "heat on" on to make it warmer. So why switch the logic when the words "Summer" and "Winter" are used? Is it just the wording?

"Cool" is a temperature reference. No translation needed.
"Summer" is a time period in which thermostats are set to cool things down. That translates into summer=cool.

It being hot outside during summer is irrelevant. We aren't talking about the summer air, we're talking about a summer thermostat.

This. If your car had "day" and "night" switches for the lights, you would switch to night at night. Not day, because day is bright and I want it to be bright.
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XlaxJynx007 posted...

helIy posted...

an ar-15 style gun is not for home defense

that's either a shotgun, or a handgun

I see everyone is spouting this BS again. Believe it or not, the caliber that AR's shoot (5.56 or .223) are actually far superior for home defense than any shotgun or handgun round because they don't penetrate walls as badly. Mind you, they can still go through like 3 or 4, but it's not as bad as buckshot or 9mm that can go through 5 or 6 walls. Plus, you have 30 rounds (depending on your state) which is far superior to any handgun or shotgun and it has significantly less recoil than 12 gauge. The only downside to AR's for home defense is they are extremely loud, especially indoors. So are handguns and shotguns, but they aren't quite so bad.

Beat me to it. Pretty much the ideal home defense weapon.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

ultra magnus13 posted...

Bullet weight doesn't matter (other than have enough weight to make penetration.) "

Yh, that's why the FN 5-7 did SO well. It's a pistol that can practically hold 30rds per mag, surely everyone and their dog jumped all over that shit! You know, since bullet characteristics don't matter.

How about that well known defense caliber the .22lr? They're pea sized! That's why they're so iconic! They penetrate so they're just as good as everything else, right?

.45 leaves a good cavity, a hollowpoint absolutely devastates, everything else is for untrained garbage and compensation.

5-7 over penetrates soft targets, expensive ammo, difficult to reload, limited platforms and they are expensive. Also it still sells well.

22lr doesn't RELIABLY penetrate to vital organ, especially out of a pistol, remeber when I said weight DID mater for proper penetration? 22lr is to light and will defect off of bones to easily. Being rimfire both feeding and ignition are less reliable than centerfire for self defense.

Why don't you go ahead and tell me your favorite 45 auto load, its average penetration depth in calibrated gel, and average expansion?
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dragon504 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

ultra magnus13 posted...

Read the fbis report on ballistics and wounding effects of handgun ammunition. But the tldr is.

Handgun ammunition only wounds via crushing, cutting, or tearing what it directly impacts. To incapacitate effectivly you need to hit the head,cns/spine lungs and heart are good but arnt as sure of incapacitating as effectivly. You want a minimum of 12in penetration in calibrated ballistic gel and a maximum of 18in, 16 being ideal. Good modern 9mm ammuniton will meet the 16in ideal and reiably expand. The fbi found across the board there agents had faster times and better accuracy with 9mm than 40 or 45. You get a VERY marginal increase in wound channel size at the cost of capacity, speed and accuracy.

9mm being lower recoil is the only factor you've presented that remotely matters. You should also note that the FBI also had records of shots to kill in real life cases and found that 45 needed 1-2 shots on average but 9mm averaged 3-4.

The only real advantage 9mm has is ammo capacity. My XD holds 13 rounds, which seems like plenty to me, and it's currently loaded with 230gr hollow points. I've seen ballistic gel tests of the ammo I'm using and was quite satisfied with the wound channel they created. 9mm should have more penetrating power as well, which is more dangerous in a home defense situation where you're not the only one home, but I wouldn't say this is a big downside.

Incorrect. It also has the advantage of almost everyone being able to put more rounds on target, more rapidy, and more accurately in a combat scenario. Bullet weight doesn't matter (other than have enough weight to make penetration.) "Knockdown power" is a myth, "stopping power" is a myth, hydrostatic shock only comes in to play with rifles. The only way a handgun round causes incapacitation is by directly damaging vital organs/cns. 16in of penetration in properly calibrated gel is the ideal depth to reliably reach those organs from less than ideal hits. Both rounds do this. 45 gives you a fraction of an inch more margin for error, but as shown in real world examples even having that fraction, the scored hits are less likely to hit where they are intended.

45 is just as likely to overpenetrate as 9 depending on specific load chosen. If that is your concern though 5.56 is your ideal choice. With correct ammo choice it will less over penetration while still reliably being lethal.
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dragon504 posted...

ultra magnus13 posted...

With modern ammunition 45acp is an inferior round to 9mm for personal protection against human beings

Uh, what?

Read the fbis report on ballistics and wounding effects of handgun ammunition. But the tldr is.

Handgun ammunition only wounds via crushing, cutting, or tearing what it directly impacts. To incapacitate effectivly you need to hit the head,cns/spine lungs and heart are good but arnt as sure of incapacitating as effectivly. You want a minimum of 12in penetration in calibrated ballistic gel and a maximum of 18in, 16 being ideal. Good modern 9mm ammuniton will meet the 16in ideal and reiably expand. The fbi found across the board there agents had faster times and better accuracy with 9mm than 40 or 45. You get a VERY marginal increase in wound channel size at the cost of capacity, speed and accuracy.
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dragon504 posted...

Do yourself a favor and go to a gun shop/show and handle a bunch of guns, so you can find something that's comfortable in your hand. Also, hi point is garbage, don't buy it. I've had no issues with my XD .45, so I'd definitely say to give Springfield Armory XD pistols a chance when looking.

Springfield has made some anti second amendment choices lately. The xd line is fairly functional but has a noticable higher bore axis, shorter service life, and no local armorer support compared to its main competitors in the same market and price range (s&w m&p,sig 320 and glock)
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Smarkil posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You'll probably want to spend more like $1k to get something quality that will last, $600 is going to be fairly basic/unfun.

Aren't you british?

Ya, what's your point?

ultra magnus13 posted...

As cool and iconic as the 1911 is, belive it ot not there are better pistol designs in the 100+ years since its day.

Kind of. 1911 has a long barrel, a solid round, a low sight, high grip and short, crisp trigger. Every other gun does irritating trade-offs like shorter barrels, DA triggers and striker-firing. The only bit I'm on the line about is double-stack magazines as although single stack is more comfortable, the roughly 50% ammo increase is very enticing.

Nope. There are plenty of modern handguns available with 4.5 to ~6in barrels. With modern ammunition 45acp is an inferior round to 9mm for personal protection against human beings, and on top of that there are still modern 45s that will outperform the 1911. Sights all vary by model, and most any gun has interchangeable sights making the point moot. I assume you mean low bore axis, yes it does, but its not the lowest. The only thing close to unique on the 1911 trigger is the stright back insted of hinged trigger. There are modern pistols that have triggers just as good as a 1911, and there is nothing preventing a striker trigger from being that good. Single stack is not a feature unique to the 1911.

They are good guns, they still do there job well, but there are guns on the market that outperform them in every single category(save ergonomics, which are a personal thing) for a fraction of the price.
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But to answer the question.

If its going to be target and home defesne only, a fullsize 9mm is probably your best bet. Go to a gun store and handle the following models, all should be fairly near your budget. Pick the olne that feels best in hand or has the features you like.

Glock 17
Smith & wesson m&p
Cz75
Walther ppq

If your more interested in a revolver take a look at
A Ruger gp100 in 357
Smith makes great revolvers as well, but you will probably have to find a used one to make budget in a fullsize.
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Kimber is garbage for what they cost. As cool and iconic as the 1911 is, belive it ot not there are better pistol designs in the 100+ years since its day.

Taurus is not great brand, but at least they are cheap. there customer service sucks.

Remingons curent handguns are trash, there 700 and 870 (there backbone imo) quality control is in the dumpster. there customer service is good.

sig makes a great gun, but there metal frame stuff built in the us, or half in the us has to many qc issues for the price. customer service is hit or miss.

Glock, Ruger(Revolvers), and smith & wesson all make fantastic handguns priced well with great customer service.

Cz, walther, fnh also make some great decent price handguns but customer service is more lacking.

Hk makes solid guns, with obtuse design decisions and over prices them. They are apple of guns.
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Always.

I don't wear suspenders, but they are definetly supose to be worn with a belt.
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I take issue with someone being charged with murder, when no murder was committed.
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Lokarin posted...

Cacciato posted...

Except for the part where you need a background check to buy something like the lower receiver of an AR.

ArmaLite has a special patent on some of their parts - they're the only company that does so.

You have almost no idea what you are talking about. Every firearm has what is "legally" considered the reciever. Unless you machine the part yourself it will be serialized and you will have to fill out a 4473 for it and pass a background check.
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SusanGreenEyes posted...

KJ StErOiDs posted...

Darth Vader.

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Burglery is not a violent crime. Robbery is. This was a robbery. Robbery is considered a violent\forceable felony, and lethal force is legaly justifiable to stop it in most states.
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