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In fairness to plum, as someone who works in drug research I kind of understand what he's getting at. Animal testing is a profoundly unpleasant thing that is nonetheless totally standard (and hugely important) in pharmaceutical research. It is also unfortunately inevitable that sometimes animals involved in animal testing will die - either because of drug side effects that you didn't know about, or because the rats/monkeys/dogs were already ill and your new drugs failed to cure them as you hoped. That is how you learn about your drug before you give it to patients.

So if the story was "dogs have died during animal testing in Oz's lab", plum would be completely right. The story would still seem horrible, but it wouldn't mean anything about his work in particular - only the nature of animal testing itself.

However! That's not what the story says. The specific stuff mentioned in the article is malpractice at best and animal cruelty at worst, and that's completely fair criticism. I could see a slight element of unfairness in that (as discussed above) this will always be a topic that gets people very emotional, and knowing how labs work it would probably have been his students rather than Oz himself who did the stuff in the article. But leadership has to come from the top, do I don't think that's completely unreasonable criticism at all.

TL;DR: plum's statement is worded hilariously poorly, but he almost has a point. Oz shares blame with his students and animal testing itself on this one, in my book.

Just passing by to say wow, what a trio of picks by VeryInsane. Not even sure if i'll vote because I'd love to do any of those!

Moved to Copenhagen for work last year, but I've been outside of the UK for years now - I spent some time in Switzerland and Japan before this. Happy to be back in Europe, but I'm used to the expat lifestyle these days!

Glad things are going well for you too, sounds like a really nice situation. My life here is a lot more "normal" or "boring" than it was in the past too, still adjusting somewhat but there's a lot of contentment there as well!

Hahaha what's up dude

Luckily I still check this board way more than makes any real sense these days

I don't even listen to Rome all that regularly these days but they have an insane amount of great songs scattered through their discog - their hypothetical greatest hits album would be killer

How's life anyway? I'm married and living in Copenhagen these days, things are pretty great to be honest. Hope you're doing well too!

Great question

I'd choose happiness over wealth/power, which I think lends itself to option A

Very fun pick! It's been many years since I listened to Angel Dust properly, and I can't say that it's completely my thing these days. But this is still a huge record - one of the most inventive and influential mainstream rock albums of the 90s without a doubt. A great gateway into experimental music and a classic in its own right.

Also roddy bottum functionally coming out of the closet by writing a song about sucking dicks for mike patton to sing is legendary stuff

Midlife crisis
Caffeine
A small victory
Kindergarten
Be aggressive
Smaller and smaller
Easy
Everything's ruined
Land of sunshine
Jizzlobber
Crack hitler
RV
Midnight cowboy
Malpractice

oh hey, it's my week! this is for me the pinnacle of the summer of love, the psychedelic movement and 60s guitar rock in general, so i'm very happy to introduce this to people. the arrangements here are incredible, the lyrics are packed with memorable one-liners, and at least half the songs have all-time melody lines too. a few of the minor tracks in the second half make it hard for me to call this flawless, but the album pacing here is so perfect that by the end it's easy to overlook those. absolutely magical stuff.

Alone Again Or
You Set the Scene
The Red Telephone
A House is Not a Motel
Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale
Andmoreagain
Live and Let Live
Old Man
The Daily Planet
The Good Humor Man He Sees Everything Like This
Bummer in the Summer

cool pick, definitely happy to have an excuse to listen to this for the first time in a few years. I have lots of little issues with this record that stop me returning to it more often - some of the song structures feel completely unfinished, the production is oddly thin compared to their other albums, and in some ways it feels more like a grab bag of great ideas than a cohesive, complete work of art - but overall this is superbly creative stuff. a deserved modern classic!

1. Machine Gun
2. The Rip
3. Magic Doors
4. Silence
5. Hunter
6. Threads
7. Small
8. Plastic
9. We Carry On
10. Deep Water
11. Nylon Smile

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The most insufferable people on the planet are doing victory laps on this one, I can't help but feel like the end result of this will be very bad, regardless of whether it was the right decision.

yeah, this

i have no idea what's going on with this trial, beyond that they both seem like profoundly unpleasant people, but this decision is definitely making all of the wrong people happy

CasanovaZelos posted...

Hopefully Giggsalot will see this and add more to my brief summaries.

Forever Changes is probably categorized as psychedelic folk rock - though, as I said, it's a bit more complex than that label suggests. Which, I should probably be clear - complex in its mix of genre influences but still easily digestible.

Burial's Untrue is essentially the definitive British dubstep album (which has little in common with the more popular American form of dubstep). Very dense atmospheric stuff.

I'm on my phone and don't want to take the effort to find links, but Alone Again Or and Archangel are good starting points if you want a sample.

Hi all! Just saw this, hopefully I can still influence some votes.

Forever Changes is not my favourite album of the late 60s (that would probably be Van Morrison's Astral Weeks), but it is my favourite album that really sounds like the late 60s. It's a stunningly composed record, full of strings and horns and flamenco guitar arrangements, with incredible melodies and creative song structures. Basically, this is the best Beatles album you've never heard.

Key track:Alone Again Or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPbNpIG8x_s

Illmatic is probably the hip-hop community's consensus pick for best rap album of all time. Everything about this album is absolutely classic - it features some of the best rapping performances ever, most of the best producers of all time, and it's over before it loses any of it's lustre. In some ways, it's actually kind of a boring album to discuss because it's so flawless. But ranking the tracks is hard as hell, and should be very fun indeed.

Key track:Halftime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjmrHOwm4tw

I chose Untrue because recent electronic albums have actually been a surprising (to me, at least!) hit in these topics. All of Burial's music is incredibly nocturnal, melancholic, and evocative of a post-club walk home through the city at 3 am. This is the single biggest classic to emerge from the early dubstep/future garage movement, and in its own way it's as jam-packed full of landmark tracks as Illmatic is.

Key track:Archangel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2qLD9c3Gq4

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As far as Japanese Breakfast goes, I enjoyed this album when it came out, but Paprika completely overshadows the rest of the record for me. That was maybe my favourite song of last year, whereas the rest is more or less "just fine". Will re-listen and give a ranking in the coming days!

Sadly i don't think I'll be able to relisten to this in time, so I'll do this from memory

1. Mathematics
2. Ms. Fat Booty
3. Climb
4. Umi Says
5. Speed Law
6. Do It Now
7. Know That
8. New World Water
9. Fear Not of Man
10. Hip Hop
11. May-December
12. Mr. N****
13. Love
14. Habitat
15. Rock n Roll
16. Brooklyn
17. Got

So many classics here, christ. What a record.

finally, something i'm motivated to (re-)listen to! it's been a while

could well be a top five rap album of all time for me - not a lot of records that manage to be sonically beautiful, lyrically poignant, and great fun too

In my opinion BB starts off overly bleak and ends overly cartoonish. Best stuff is found in the middle. I'll go with Crawl Space for best.

No opinion on worst, probably something from S1

my first instinct here was ratchet and clank: UYA

in reality, quite possibly some old pro evolution soccer game

pity vote for swalot and his glorious moustache

shame he's a bit useless and I've never managed to use him properly, but still