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OK, I've read through some speeches by our various candidates, and I am now ready for

##King: Lopen

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Though rana no lynch is pretty useful day 1 avoids a misslynch and can gain intel before day 2

Someone once did the math to show why even lynching a townie on Day 1 was numerically better than no-lynch, and the lynch itself is one of the best sources of intel available to the town. I am curious to see how that changes without having a voting record to look at though.

masterplum posted...

Do you not want to be king today?

I . Think I want to be king?

My platform is I kill whoever people vote for, but Im not sure I trust myself if the will of the people says to kill someone I think is town.

It will be a constitutional monarchy at least, unlike some people

I guess I don't really not want to be King, but I don't think I'd be a very good choice for today.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Is this your opening post? What else you got? I personally do not want to be king atleast not this early. However if I some how get voted king today it be just to no lynch.

So my campaign for king. Don't do it unless you're team no Lynch.

That is in fact my opening post. As for what else I've got... not much. I'm generally kind of useless on Day 1.

I don't want to be King today either, but I would for sure end up killing someone. No-lynch is usually not a good idea, especially in the early game.

Who all actually wants to be King today?

I finally got my internet issues straightened out, so I'd like to sign up to play again.

Obellisk posted...

no thanks. that sounds awful

It was. They made it a rule that people had to post at least once every 48 hours and someone still ended up getting modkilled for inactivity.

masterplum posted...

I disagree. I think last minute lynches are fairly random at times and there isnt a reward for decisiveness.

I dont participate in communities with no time limit because it takes way too long, but there is something to be said about needing a majority. It makes scum actually take a stance on every lynch instead of possibly just not being around for the last minute train

I think they're just talking about what happened on Day 2, but I mostly agree. I played in a game once where the first day took over three months in real time.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Why did you choose Plum though in the first place?

It was basically just a coin flip. I really should have gone back and reviewed the events of Day 1 a lot sooner than I did.

I wasn't around for the end of it and I missed Day 2 entirely, and I hadn't caught that plum started everything with Tidus.

And I wanted Ulti because I knew that one of the vanilla claims was scum and I had just tracked (and more importantly, seen the reactions to my tracking) Plum.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Oh and @ranagrande question for you.

Why exactly did you never claim Miller?

The way Rana claimed was super unfortunate for scum because there was no way in hell he was scum after that claim, but he completely omitted the Miller part.

I just didn't think it mattered with the cop already dead.

I will say that the one thing I disliked about the poison mechanic is that once we learned about it, it had kind of a dampening effect on the first half of the days while we waited to see who spoke up.

It was still fun though! Thanks for running it!

Corrik7 posted...

If you had said that in topic, I would have lynched you.

I know. That's why I didn't say it.

Corrik7 posted...

Plums lynch was fine because it was just killing a possibility out of the pool until the info on sbell came back the next day. Which never did somehow. Idk.

Heh, I didn't even track him. I thought I had everything figured out so I tracked Chris again instead.

Yeah... pushing for Plum's lynch after the way he reacted to my tracking the day before is what really convinced me that Chris was mafia.

And I never claimed Miller because it seemed irrelevant with the cop already dead.

It was fun though!

OK.

##unvote
##vote: SBell

Like I was trying to say yesterday before we killed Plum for no reason, it's Chris and SBell. SBell reminded me why he couldn't be scum alone, so it's both of them.

They probably no-killed again, because why not? We're already at LyLo.

We need to lynch one of them today. I don't really care which, but I'll just pick up where I left off yesterday and

##vote: Chris

Corrik! Sultan! Join me in townie victory!

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Yolo chris?

Do it!

Corrik7 posted...

Tiebreaker's exist for a reason.

How do the tiebreakers work?

Corrik7 posted...

Chris is 3rd party? Did I miss something?

We don't know anything for sure, but he's the better choice because he said he thought he would be miller to both cop and flavor cop.

masterplum posted...

Well if it makes you feel better, this is poaaibly mylo meaning if all the lynches stay at 2 votes we lose by definition.

No wait that wouldnt make you feel better.

I don't think that's possible.

At the worst we'd still just be at 4-2 again tomorrow.

Yeah, if we're set on lynching today and we want SBell to scan, it should be Chris.

##unvote
##vote: Chris

Corrik7 posted...

Would it be as funny as cop scans ninja roleblocker scum, tracker catchs vanilla putting in the night kill, and flavor cop catches the godfather night 1 before a night kill even happens? Or do we need a 4th scum to dayvig also?

Like Plum said... hilariously unbalanced. In favor of the town.

or cop also.

Obellisk posted...

I like the idea of killing scum and worst case decreasing the pool of suspects.

In this case, I think Chris might be the optimal lynch today.

He did say that he thought he would be Miller to Flav

Corrik7 posted...

Sbell can only be scum if he is scum with Sultan. Sultan can be scum alone. So can plum and so can chris.

Any of them could be scum alone. I'm more worried about possibilities if they're not alone.

Chris/SBell is still possible too, and was actually my initial thought anyway.

We lynch Plum today, SBell comes back tomorrow to say you're not who you say you are, Sultan goes along with it because he's wanted to lynch you all game, and the mafia have won.

Our pool isn't that big too begin with anyway.

I think we've all eliminated me from consideration already. I would also eliminate Corrik. His role and how that all played out with Sultan makes no sense as scum, and I think he was cleared by Ulti anyway.

If there really are three town investigators on top of the delayed kill mechanic, there have to be two scum left, right? The mafia would have been incredibly underpowered otherwise.

Is Tidus/Ulti/Plum/Sultan even possible?

Do they skip their kill last night?

Obellisk posted...

no lynching does nothing except reconfirm I have an alternating flavor scan and you are a tracker.

let's say that tomorrow I come in, say I scanned corrik and he is whoever he claimed to be and then you confirm I did infact visit corrik.

24 hours go by and no poison.

Who do you lynch? me or someone else?

because if it's just me again, I don't see why you would want to push for a no lynch.

We could always no-lynch again in response. Lock ourselves into an endless cycle and drag the game out forever. How long do you think it would last?

Honestly, I think I am most in favor of no-lynch today. It's a fun response to no-kill by the scum.

What third party would we even have anyway? There haven't been any kills unaccounted for. I suppose a cult might be possible...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I like how I can be poisoned and it takes 2 nks for me to be scum and it's like 'maybe'

Yeah you would have had to do a lot of crazy things if you were scum. It seems unlikely, but I don't know... It might be possible in a game you've repeatedly said you don't care about.

masterplum posted...

You would be if I were scum!

Lets be honest, you know if we were scum together you tear into me if I even hinted that you might no kill in order to prove yourself town, for good reason. Im one of the only 2 or 3 players who would ever even consider it possible. Everyone else would let you skate free.

It's not something that can be done very often, but it's not that farfetched. I lost a game that way once.

The mafia didn't kill anyone on night 1, then one of claimed to have been attacked and protected. The doc figured someone else had a one-shot protect or something and stayed quiet, and the scum cruised to victory.

Corrik7 posted...

It's not about the flavor he scans. It is that he absolutely has no excuse not to scan, so he has to go somewhere if town or scum. This let's you track him to where he goes and if it is to the nightkill. You kill him. No questions asked.

OK I get it now. We could no-lynch and do that.

I don't want to kill anyone else today.

Obellisk posted...

It's not about the flavor, it's about continuity. and based on yhe two flips we've seen so far I think it would be a far stretch to say Byrd is scum with The killer of the week and Mr Yang

That's another thing actually...

Flavor copping someone and learning that they're the Generic Killer of the Week would be exactly the same as copping them.

Why would we have two cops?

Alright, you don't get as detailed an analysis as I was hoping to do because my internet's not working and I have to do this on my phone. But here goes:

If we only have one scummer left, and they chose to forego their nightkill last night, it's SBell. Although I try not to be to predictable, I don't think anyone else would have feared tracking enough, and scopophobia is really the only good explanation for the lack of poison.

Also, as has been mentioned, three town investigators is too much for three mafia. Giving the scum their own investigative power would be a nice twist.

I had this whole other thing for if there really were two mafia left, and how the most likely combo would be SBell and Chris. After thinking about it a bit more though, it makes even less sense not to poison with two remaining. Unless there's something really weird, like a scummer who can't kill unless they're the last one. I've seen things like that before, but I wouldn't expect it in this game.

Corrik's idea of letting SBell do one more scan does have some merit, but I don't think flavor is really that valuable to us now. Reading up on my own role, it wouldn't have been that big a stretch for Byrd Tatums to be scum, and I expect the same could be said for all of us.

No, I think it's SBell and I am going to

##Vote: SBell

I think the scum is most likely Chris and/or SBell.

I'm at work work now, but I'll try to do up a detailed analysis when I get home.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Plum asked the question so does that mean corrik was poisoned? Or no one i guess is possible?

Or host didnt send the pm out?

That last possibility seems most likely to me. One of us was poisoned and just doesn't know it yet.

Shockingly, not me either.

What is this "rule 1"?

Corrik7 posted...

Chris you don't think there is any chance you were poisoned last night?

I would be very surprised if it's not me.

I don't think it's Corrik. Ulti was pushing hard for his lynch and Corrik was actually in the lead when I came in to start the run on Ulti.

Checkers

DoomTheGyarados posted...

not that I couldnt, its within the range for me but knda silly to have him so unprepared. Actually tidus sucking day 1 clears me tbh, I mentor my buds better than that <_<

Wasn't Tidus lynched for saying that he would not have had time to look at discord? I presume that is where the scum chat happens, so it wouldn't actually do anything to clear you.

masterplum posted...

How inane am I for still wanting to lynch Sbell. Thats insanity right.

I know... looking at how things went yesterday, I really thought SBell and Ulti were a team.

Obellisk posted...

alternate nights.

And that does appear to be the case, because I tracked SBell, who targeted no one.

Phil Coulson
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Video game edition:

City of Heroes
EVE Online
Star Chamber: The Harbinger Saga

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Cross-posting because I didn't see the new topic...

##Vote: UltimaterializerX

PunishedBen posted...

Nah it doesnt mean anything. Corrik is being overly dramatic. I still think it's all an act. But I'm so convinced that I dont even feel like there's much more to say. Chris, Sultan, Plum, and Ranni are all for sure town. Just lynch Ulti Corrik or Sbell and win. I lean away from Sbell and toward the other two for sure.

Yeah, the day does seem to be winding down.

##Vote: UltimaterializerX

masterplum posted...

Is this really the first time someone has brought up a safelist? This post rubs me wrong

It's been mentioned before, but this is the first time I was around at the time and thought to ask.

Corrik7 posted...

Scum gets a list of flavors not in the game that they can use to claim off of that would appear to be town. Godfather also is generally a townish flavor that scans as town also.

And hosts of any repute will give fakeclaim pms for roles you wish to fake and flavor you wish to use with it if you request it within reason.

So these flavor arguments are frankly just dumb.

And this is really interesting... Where I played previously years and years ago, if someone wanted to fake a claim they just had to come up with something themselves. It also led to a lot of people just refusing ever to claim.