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SenlinRescinds posted...

Going after the game was a great way to get the message out.

We clearly have very different definitions of the word great.

https://variety.com/2023/gaming/news/hogwarts-legacy-sales-850-million-1235533614/amp/

Pet him

So the fine is retroactive?

Many of the underage workers identified in the investigation had not worked for the company in years, according to Packers Sanitation Services spokesperson Gina Swenson, who added that the company employs no one under the age of 18 today.

https://variety.com/2023/gaming/news/hogwarts-legacy-sales-850-million-1235533614/amp/

Over 12 millions units sold in the first two weeks. Cant wait for the guaranteed sequel.

The problem is that many of you are confusing the steps to genocide with the act itself.

Are there really bad things happening that can lead to genocide?

Yes

Is literal genocide currently happening?

No

To sum up. No one is saying that peoples worries are unfounded, but to claim that literal genocide is currently being enacted on trans people in the USA is hyperbole at best, and a harmful lie at worst.

I can accept trans anything.

Gwynevere posted...

The government is literally withholding access to life saving medicine for trans people, while making them a cultural enemy.

Which is not the same as literally executing people in the streets/camps.

Thats all Im saying.

This has been explained to you over and over again, but for some reason you just refuse to listen.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Do you think it might be possible that you're severely misinformed on the topic you're choosing to engage with?

Do you think it might be possible that you are the one that is severely misinformed?

CyricZ posted...

Also are the police not a government service or did I miss something.

Where in the USA are the police rounding up and executing trans folks?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Uh, there have been many physical attacks on not just trans individuals, but the LGTB community as a whole.

Theres many physical attacks against all kinds of people every day. Were talking about the government rounding people up and executing them for being trans. Which is never going to happen.

CyricZ posted...

I'm not sure I really want to ask what your definition of blood is.

Because I am in fact speaking of literal human blood being spilled.

Again, which trans people are being physically killed by the government solely for being trans?

Funkydog posted...

I wasn't aware CE was a court of law.

Im saying that the vast majority of definitions including all legal definitions require the use of physical force. I had never seen any definition that didnt until this topic.

Physically accosting, forcibly removing and denying them medical treatment seems pretty close to physical violence to me.

Saying that its close is the same as admitting that physical violence is not happening.

CyricZ posted...

You act like governments haven't been drawing legal and "justified" blood throughout history.

Sure, but there is no blood yet.

To skip to the end, I'm talking about the police.

Should be more worried about the army if you wage war against the government.

hockeybub89 posted...

Every state making gender-affirming care illegal and criminalizing "harboring" a trans kid.

That isnt literal execution.

CyricZ posted...

Yeah when are they going to get on that.

Oh wait, they're not.

Nothing to get on.

No one has been executed by the government for being trans.

hockeybub89 posted...

How many LGBTQ people must be harmed by the government before it's considered drawing blood?

I guess all of them as long as the government doesn't literally ship them by train to gas chambers. You'll just continue to assure people that it is not yet time to panic. "Yeah LGBTQ people are suffering and dying due to hateful laws, but the government is not shooting them in the street! If we get too uppity, then the government might start the actual genocide!"

Im just saying that actual genocide isnt being enacted on trans people in America.

Funkydog posted...

Again. Western governments have already drawn first blood.

Not physically

Funkydog posted...

The dictionary isn't the absolute master of definitions. It simply provides a list of how people use a language, and is why it gets updated to add new words and change definitions. A particular dictionary not updating a word to keep in line with how many organisations use is just them being slow to adapt tbh.

To be fair, the legal definition of violence also requires physical force.

The term crime of violence means (a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or.

CyricZ posted...

I prefer not to wait to oppose them until they start.

If you draw first blood, any and all government violence enacted against you will be legal and justifiable. Id rather make them the villain.

Also realize when you say "the government" that may necessarily not mean the federal government of the US.

So youre talking about state governments?Genocide is a high federal crime, and the federal government would be legally justified to wage war against any rogue state enacting it.

Funkydog posted...

"Other definitions are also used, such as the World Health Organization's definition of violence as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation."

My bad, Ive been using the dictionary definition. Wasnt aware that certain organizations use their own definitions.

CyricZ posted...

I really don't think this is a healthy attitude.

Never just assume genocide won't happen.

Realize what goes into a genocide so you can recognize signs of it before it goes off the deep end.

I cant see it happening. Almost no one is going to support the government rounding up citizens and mass executing them. That shit would spark an actual civil war. The government doesnt want that, and neither do the vast majority of people.

hockeybub89 posted...

Literal genocide already is happening in several states

Which states are trans people being mass executed in?

hockeybub89 posted...

"Don't upset the people trying to genocide you too much or they might genocide you harder"

Literal genocide isnt going to happen.

Funkydog posted...

I wasn't aware I was advocating violence. Thanks for letting me know I am though!

And attempting to stop trans people getting the medical care they need is a violent act. Stripping them of basic rights is a violent acts. Segregating them is a violent act. Othering them is a violent act. Stripping them of the ability to get aid is a violent act.

Not all violence has to be murder. There are plenty of other ways to commit violence than physical.

What definition of violence are you using? Every definition Ive ever seen mentions physical force.

Hinakuluiau posted...

They already are radical. We have people in positions of power and elected representatives who are calling for a genocide on trans people.

No one is going to start randomly killing trans people. Thats crazy shit that very few people would support.

Now if you get violent first, you are giving the government all the justification it needs to take your life. I dont want that, and you dont want that. So lets focus on educating people instead of waging civil war against an unbeatable enemy.

Your disingenuous bullshit of saying I want to attack fans of HP is ridiculous.

Sorry, my bad then. I must have misread your post.

Funkydog posted...

The right wing are already radical in regards to trans people tbf.

Which trans people are being heartlessly shot down by the government in the street?

Thats what youre asking for when advocating for violence. Education is the answer. Not civil war.

hockeybub89 posted...

He's not saying to stop people from playing a video game. He's saying you need to aim straight for the top, not dally around sending messages to individual transphobes and hoping they take in time. Rowling has no way if she has no allies in positions of political power.

Then either I misread something or there was another miscommunication. I took it as him saying that violently assaulting Harry Potter fans would hurt the games sales.

Still, I find violence to be a foolish answer even when aiming for the top. What happens when the other side fights back?

Hinakuluiau posted...

I disagree.

You think violently assaulting Harry Potter fans would work?

I really dont think smacking up a mom and her 3 kids visiting the Wizarding World at Universal Studios is going to help

We live in a transphobic society that elects transphobic politicians who wants to pass transphobic laws. We don't have the luxury of working within the confines of the system and hoping we can vote in someone who can make it safe for trans individuals and actually accomplish this
We need to demand trans rights and the only way we can do that is by being radical. Bullying people over buying a HP game is not going to do a damn thing about stopping the potential genocide transpeople are facing

What happens when the other side gets radical back?

hockeybub89 posted...

You're right. Let us not be like him. We will boycott Nintendo together because we aren't just allies when it is convenient. If people can't even give up their childish cartoon plumber games for LGBTQ people, then it's not my place to take away ally cards, but they are showing they aren't very committed.

Apparently, Nintendo is more important to him than trans rights. I dont understand why he cant do the bare minimum. Its not like people are expecting him to give up housing, clothes, food, or water. How hard is it to give up some video games?

hockeybub89 posted...

No one is asking you to be perfect, but you don't need to play Nintendo games specifically, not when we see how much Saudi Arabia hurts LGBTQ people. Obviously you can still play other video games and we are forced to participate in society. People are just asking you to boycott this company. If we can't even do the bare minimum, will we be there when it matters?

lol

Well said

bsp77 posted...

I don't see how people can't understand the comparison between Hogwarts and Nintendo. Either boycott both, boycott neither, or shut the fuck up.

They understand. Its clear cut trolling at this point.

hockeybub89 posted...

What a weird interpretation of his post.

How else could you stop Harry Potter fans from buying the game? The guy literally said that only violent protests work. I dont think it will help in this(or most) situations.

Hinakuluiau posted...

There are a record breaking number of anti-trans legislation being pushed and we should be on the streets protesting our legislators and elected officials who don't want to consider trans people as valid human beings
Not buying a video game because a transphobe gets a $1 for every copy is the laziest form of protest anyone could do and will enact absolutely no change. When it becomes illegal to get GRS and hormone therapy, I'm sure people will be happy we didn't buy a wizard game instead of demanding change from politicians

Hmm I think we actually agree then. Trying to shame people into boycotting Harry Potter is dumb, and will have the opposite effect. Violence would be an even bigger mistake. Thats all Im saying.

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Agreed, and it would be an even bigger failure. Mario is more popular than Harry Potter, and Super Nintendo World just opened in California.

Ratchetrockon posted...

i thought he was like Sonic tier popularity tbh but he is way above that league

Yeah, hes way above Sonic. Mario is even more popular than Batman and Harry Potter.

Ratchetrockon posted...

omg will the movie actually break a billion i didnt realize mario was so popular

Mario is one of the top 10 highest grossing franchises of all time.

Hinakuluiau posted...

I'm gay and still buy CFA cause I think boycotts are ineffective and only violent protests bring change.
I imagine it's the same argument when it comes to people buying HL.

I dont think violently assaulting the millions upon millions of Harry Potter fans is going to help you.

hockeybub89 posted...

No need to make excuses. If people care more about Nintendo than protecting innocent people from evil bastards who are actively making the world a worse place, then that's their choice. I'm not going to judge. We all have different values. If you can live with your decisions, then beat your video games quietly and then put them away.

lol

Do people also freak out at all the families visiting Universal Studios every day?

After all, Rowling makes way more money off of the theme park than Hogwarts Legacy.

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Exactly. Well said.

SenlinDescends posted...

Yeah. I'll just tag you and move on. No point engaging in someone who would defend her.

When did I defend her? Im simply stating the obvious fact that you cant take away someones property over personal beliefs.

Anyway, bye then.

SenlinDescends posted...

Nah I just want her to get what she deserves.

By stripping away her legal protections.

No reasonable law protects bigots.

The law doesnt care about personal beliefs. It applies to us all, regardless of what your beliefs are.

SenlinDescends posted...

Cry more.

Says the one who is so upset over Rowling that he wants to strip away all law and order. lol

Nah, the developers dont owe anyone anything.

SenlinDescends posted...

Rather it should be taken from her and she should get nothing.

Frankly I say she deserves everything taken from her but some jokers think that's too extreme.

Yeah that wouldnt be even remotely legal. Nor should it be.