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This is definitely going until Wrestlemania, at minimum. Looking at the next major shows ahead...

Payback
Fastlane
Survivor Series
Royal Rumble
probably Elimination Chamber
Wrestlemania 40

I'm willing to wager Roman doesn't show up for the next 2 shows.

Notable stats after last night:
- Gunther only needs 32 more days to pass Honky Tonk Man's historic IC reign
- Roman Reigns only needs one more ppv main event win to tie HHH for 2nd place with 34. First place is Cena with 37.
- Reigns passes HBK for most ppv main event appearances yesterday to stand alone in 5th place. Only Orton, HHH, Cena, and Taker remain ahead
--Bianca Belair has both the longest and shortest WWE Women's title reign.

Made Up Championship Tracker
WWE's The Man: Roman Reigns still untouched, will have this for 3 years come November
AEW's The Man: CM Punk reclaimed this from Ricky Starks yesterday
WWE's The Man, Women's edition: Rhea Ripley
Custody of Dominik Mysterio: Roman Reigns won this back from Jey Uso last night

Final card:
Reigns vs Jey in Tribal Combat for the Undisputed title
Rollins vs Balor for the WHC
Cody vs Brock
Asuka vs Charlotte vs Belair for the WWE Women's title
Gunther vs McIntyre for the IC title
Ricochet vs Logan Paul
Rousey vs Baszler
Summerslam Battle Royal

My predictions...
Reigns - Still think Roman's run lasts until either Mania or until he passes Hogan
Rollins retains, Priest cash-in gets stopped by Balor before it can happen
Cody - Brock's spent all month destroying Cody in preparation for the rubber match; this seems natural to finally end the feud
Wild pick: Iyo Sky successfully cashes in on Asuka while Charlotte and Belair brawl with each other
Gunther - He breaking Honky Tonk's record
Logan - I want Ricochet to win, but Logan's gone a full year without winning; he's likely getting the dub here
Baszler - Ronda puts her over on her way out
LA Knight - He'll win something one of these days

Steiner posted...

admirable pettiness

I'll never call it a PLE

Seanchan posted...

Anything noteworthy happened since the last ppv? I assume not.

Not much really noteworthy.
- Reigns and Jey will probably headline SummerSlam, with both the belt(s) and Tribal Chief title on the line
- Seth and Balor still at it for the WHC, now featuring a MITB Priest teasing cash-in
- Brock vs Cody angle has literally been Brock murdering Cody every Monday

Theory could still retain against Escobar, but considering the status of the US title, them putting the belt on Santos wouldn't surprise me at all.

Very few US title runs in the past decade have been above average

Can't argue with that.

Somehow, he has the 8th longest US title reign in history. The only ones with longer runs are...

Luger
Rude
Ambrose
MVP
Koloff
Windham
Flair

Summerslam battle royal added to the card

Austin Theory to defend the US title against Santos Escobar on SmackDown in 2 weeks.

Man... imagine having wins over John Cena, Edge, Rey Mysterio, Jey Uso, Bobby Lashley, Sheamus, and Seth Rollins (ALL either Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers) and still having a mid reign.

With only 3 shows left, SummerSlam is shaping up nicely

Reigns vs Jey in Tribal Combat for the Undisputed title
Rollins vs Balor for the WHC
Cody vs Brock
Asuka vs Charlotte vs Belair for the WWE Women's title
Gunther vs McIntyre for the IC title
Ricochet vs Logan Paul
Rousey vs Baszler

Well that's certainly one pair of Women's tag champs...

The Women's title streak continues. Since 2006, the following won their first Women's title (singles OR tag)...

2006 - Mickie James
2007 - Melina, Candice Michelle, Beth Phoenix
2008 - Michelle McCool, Maryse
2009 - Jillian Hall
2010 - Layla, Eve Torres, Natalya, Alicia Fox
2011 - Brie Bella, Kelly Kelly
2012 - Nikki Bella
2013 - Kaitlyn, AJ Lee
2014 - Paige
2015 - Charlotte Flair
2016 - Sasha Banks, Becky Lynch, Alexa Bliss
2017 - Naomi, Bayley
2018 - Nia Jax, Ronda Rousey, Carmella, Asuka
2019 - Billie Kay, Peyton Royce, Kairi Sane, Nikki Cross
2020 - Shayna Baszler
2021 - Rhea Ripley, Bianca Belair, Tamina
2022 - Aliyah, Raquel Rodriguez, Liv Morgan
2023 - Chelsea Green, Sonya Deville

For those who haven't seen my post in the Dumbest Moments in Children's television...

While only for a select fanbase here, I'm contemplating compiling a list of dumb events/angles/decisions in the last 25 years of pro wrestling

Note the following:
- I chose 25 years because 1998 was when I started paying attention to pro wrestling
- Most of this list will be events from WWE or WCW. TNA will get some entries too once I do further research, and trust me, it deserves that.
- No bias on the list. Sure, I may have not liked Cena being invincible in 2007, but he was the company's biggest draw in that period.
- I can't say I watch any AEW to know what is dumb in that company.

Mantaur passed away at 55

Didn't know he was young af during his WWF run

With no confirmations yet, the ideal Summerslam card...

Reigns vs Jey
Rollins vs Balor
Brock vs Cody
Gunther vs McIntyre
Baszler vs Rousey
Becky vs Trish
Bianca vs Asuka vs Charlotte
Ricochet vs Logan

Up

An interesting fact from 411: The following, regardless of pinfall/submission/DQ/etc, are undefeated against John Cena

Mikey Henderson
Shark Boy
David Flair
Mark Jindrak
Nova
Tommy Dreamer
Matt Hardy
Kenny Bolin
Lance Storm
Scott Steiner
Frankie Kazarian
Kevin Federline
Adrian Neville
Shinsuke Nakamura
Roman Reigns
Austin Theory

Other title updates...

Austin Theory currently has the 17th longest US reign of all time at 215 days. In 9 days he can pass Blackjack Mulligan, Benoit, and Miz.

Gunther passes Don Muraco for 4th place on the IC list. Up next is Randy Savage.

Update to the made up titles!

WWE's The Man: Roman Reigns
AEW's The Man: CM Punk
Interim Man title carried over from 3rd WWE iteration: Adam Cole
WWE's The Man, Ladies Edition: Rhea Ripley
Custody of Dominik Mysterio: Jey Uso

Also no confirmation that Cody/Dom closes the show.

WWE is supposedly advertising a triple-main-event like they did NoC and also putting in Rollins/Balor and the Bloodline Civil War as main events

Hardcore_Adult posted...

It's extra special as it's in my own backyard pretty much

Kinda figured, which is awesome.

NC doesn't get many good ppvs, except Survivor Series 2001 as far as I know.

My current area of living was home of the infamous December 2 Dismember though

Hardcore_Adult posted...

Be the 1st time a PPV's taken place on my birthday and I get to watch it LIVE!

Niiiiice. I've had 2 PPVs on my birthday. Unfortunately they were Fatal 4 Way in 2010 and Hell in a Cell 2021

My picks...

Cody (I wanna say Brock interferes to help Dom win, but do they REALLY let Dom win now that this is supposedly main eventing?)
Rollins (holding it at least until Summerslam)
Usos (Bold prediction: We get Reigns vs Uso vs Uso for the belt at SS)
LA Knight
Iyo Sky
Gunther
Rousey/Baszler

MITB today!

Official Card
Cody vs Dominik
Rollins vs Balor for the WHC
Reigns/Sikoa vs Usos
Nakamura vs Ricochet vs LA Knight vs Butch vs Escobar vs Priest vs Logan Paul
Trish vs Stark vs Bayley vs Sky vs Zelina vs Becky
Gunther vs Riddle for the IC title
Rousey/Baszler vs Rodriguez/Morgan for the Women's Tag Titles

Another title progress statistic...

Here's all the single title runs that are longer than Roman's across all major American promotions in history

Bruno Sammartino - 2803
Verne Gagne - 2625
Lou Thesz - 2300
Bob Backlund - 2135
Nick Bockwinkel - 1714
Dory Funk Jr - 1563
Dan Severn - 1479
Hulk Hogan - 1474
Bruno Sammartino - 1237
Gene Kiniski - 1131
Lou Thesz - 1079
Nick Aldis - 1043
Roman Reigns - 1031 days (as of 27 June)

Because it isn't a third belt.

Seth Rollins has the third belt, aka the consolation prize

With Roman Reigns getting "double EXP" by holding two belts at once, he surpasses Dory Funk Jr and Dan Severn on my spreadsheet for most days as world champion across all major promotions combined, now in 12th place overall

Currently? 1659 days across 6 title runs
Next target: Harley Race at 1799 days; Roman can reach him in 70 days thanks to having two world titles at once.

FFDragon posted...

If Dom Dom ever gets custody of himself, does that retire the championship?

Yes, that was discussed when Rollins had custody and wrestled Dom on a few occasions in 2020. Seth went over Dom every time before eventually losing to McIntyre (who then traded wins with Orton before losing to Reigns)

Appreciate that update

"Championship" trackers

WWE's The Man: Roman Reigns (run consists of the first two lineages of The Man from 2008-2011 and 2011-2014; unified in 2020 by Drew McIntyre)

AEW's The Man: CM Punk (started in 2011 when Flair lost his final singles match with Sting in TNA before retiring for 12 years. Title brought to AEW by Kenny Omega in 2021)

Interim Man title: Adam Cole (lineage started with Seth Rollins in 2015. Eventually brought to AEW by Samoa Joe in 2022)

WWE's The Man, Women's Edition: Rhea Ripley (lineage started by Becky Lynch in 2018)

Roman currently has the longest Man title reign, dating back to Survivor Series 2020. With it, he also holds the custody rights to Dominik Mysterio.

Bloodline breaks down more after yesterday, potentially setting up Roman vs Jey down the road at Summerslam or something.

Probably get Usos vs Roman and Solo at least once too.

ZeroSignal posted...

I'm expecting Rhea to get a white strap version of the WHC on Monday

CALLED IT.

I miss the days when WWE belts had some sense of individuality

Also with the SD Women's Championship changing design (and name, obviously), the currently oldest unchanged title design is the SD Tag Team Championship.

I don't know when they'll split the tag titles again, but I'm predicting a double-fall outcome in a triple-threat tag title match where Owens and Zayn get pinned by two different team reps, and said teams take their respective belts to Raw and SD

Hardcore_Adult posted...

Mrs Flair's back then is, she? and predictably thrust into the title mix.

Just in time to compete for the exact same belt Roman has, only with a white strap. WWE's creative laziness is obvious today; I'm expecting Rhea to get a white strap version of the WHC on Monday.

With Iron Sheik gone, the following earliest 5 WWE champions that are still alive are...

Bob Backlund
Hulk Hogan
Sgt Slaughter
Undertaker
Ric Flair

MITB so far...

Men's: Ricochet vs Nakamura vs LA Knight vs Escobar/Ali winner vs Corbin/Butch winner vs others TBA

Women's: Zelina vs Becky vs Zoey vs Bayley/Mia winner vs Shotzi/Sky winner vs one more TBA

Probably getting Rollins vs Balor and Cody vs Dom while prepping for the inevitable Brock/Cody 3 match

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/7/8/AAAjMoAAEiLi.jpg

Also, they managed to make it worse. Then again, I haven't been a fan of any WWE Championship design since the Undisputed belt in 2002.

Maniac64 posted...

I don't expect it to be soon.

This. There's rumors that he'll pass Hogan's initial reign before dropping the title

Nakamura and Ricochet in the Men's MITB match

Also, Ronda Rousey only needs the NXT Women's title to achieve the grand slam!

Solid ppv today.

Easily the best one from Saudi Arabia

A few milestone numbers for WWE belts...

Roman Reigns only needs 24 more days to pass CM Punk to have the longest WWE title reign since Hogan in the 80s and the 6th longest of all time.

Bianca Belair's current run as Raw Women's Champion is the longest for any Women's title since Trish Stratus in 2005-06. Trish's '05 run is second only to Rockin' Robin's 502 day reign in the 80s.

Austin Theory only needs 2.5 more weeks to have the longest US title run since Dean Ambrose in 2013

Gunther needs 39 days to pass Don Muraco for the 4th longest IC reign of all time. Gunther's run is already the longest IC reign since Honky Tonk Man's record-setting run in the 80s

Well aware that WWE has Moolah as Women's Champion for 30000+ days, but there's technicalities with those dates. Also, fuck Moolah.

Men's WWE list is surprisingly good. Replace Rogers and Andre with Sammartino and Cena and you have a potential lock of a list

Rousey's debut - Showing up at the end of the first ever Women's Royal Rumble, raining on Asuka's parade.

Basically foreshadowing for what they were going to do to Asuka on the main roster

Speaking of lists, WWE unveiled their top 25 greatest debuts (on the main roster) last week. This one's just as questionable

1) Shield
2) Kane
3) Goldberg
4) Ronda Rousey
5) Brock Lesnar
6) AJ Styles
7) The Rock
8) Kevin Owens
9) John Cena
10) Chris Jericho
11) Booker T
12) Undertaker
13) Sting
14) Braun Strowman
15) Great Khali
16) Carlito
17) Asuka
18) The Nexus
19) Rey Mysterio
20) Umaga
21) Baron Corbin
22) Usos and Tamina
23) Shinsuke Nakamura
24) Santino Marella
25) Solo Sikoa

Imagine ranking the true top of the list #10...

I'm not too familiar with Blayze's run, only when she was Madusa in WCW, and her purpose there was either...

1) Managing Savage and Karagias
2) Losing titles to JR impersonators

I don't necessarily know my top 10, but I guarantee I wouldn't have Mae, Natalya, or Moolah on it. Moolah's legacy is tarnished, plus she technically didn't hold the Women's title for 30 years, no matter what WWE tried to tell us for decades.

Mae gets props for selling table bumps and wrestling forever, but top ten? Nah.

Natalya's solid in the ring, but there's better out there.

You could make solid cases for Mickie James, Asuka, Beth Phoenix, and Bayley making a top 10 (among others). But ultimately, a bot made this list, which is what we forever have to remember.

Update: Just saw Theory vs Sheamus is next week on SD. Yeah they're probably not going to Saudi Arabia

ChatGPT named the 10 best women's wrestlers of all time. The bot produces... results, to say the least.

1) Trish Stratus
2) Moolah
3) Sasha Banks
4) Chyna
5) Alundra Blayze
6) Lita
7) Becky Lynch
8) Mae Young
9) Charlotte Flair
10) Natalya

Only two shows left to build NoC!

Rollins vs Styles for the WHC
Owens/Zayn vs Reigns/Solo for the tag titles
Cody vs Brock
Gunther vs Ali for the IC title
Belair vs Asuka for the Raw Women's title

A fatal four way will be coming up this week to determine the next Women's Tag Team champs, involving Bayley/Sky, Chelsea/Sonya, Rousey/Baszler, and Raquel/mystery partner

Still no word on if we're getting Trish vs Becky this early or if they're gonna wait until MITB or SS. Sheamus might be feuding with Theory now, it seems, which makes Sheamus seem like the residential US title scene guy at this point.

Billy Graham passed away at 79 yesterday

11 of 54 WWE Champions have passed on: Rogers, Sammartino, Koloff, Morales, Stasiak, Graham, Andre, Savage, Warrior, Yokozuna, Guerrero

Gunther vs Ali added to the card

Becky vs Trish hinted at, but not confirmed yet.

Probably also getting Liv/Raquel vs Ronda/Baszler and Asuka vs Belair II as well.

Triple threat matches locked in for SD

Styles vs Edge vs Mysterio

Lashley vs Theory vs Sheamus

Going with Styles vs Lashley, and Rollins > Styles at NoC

Update to the PPV main event appearances/wins count after Backlash...

All Time PPV Main Even Appearances
1) Undertaker - 73
2) Cena - 72
3) HHH - 70
4) Orton - 59
5) HBK - 50
6) Reigns - 48
7) Lesnar - 43
8) Austin - 42
9) Kane - 39
10) The Rock - 34

Rollins only needs two main events to take Rocky out of the top 10!

All time PPV Main Event wins
1) Cena - 37
2) HHH - 34
3) Reigns - 32
4) Taker - 26
5) Lesnar - 23
6) Austin - 21
7) HBK - 19
8) Hogan - 18
8) Orton - 18
10) Rock - 16

Rollins is #11 with 13 wins, but hasn't won a main event on ppv since Clash of Champions 2019

Backlash definitely gonna be in the running for best ppv of the year.

Also note how far we've come. The first PPV in Puerto Rico was New Year's Revolution 2005; outside the main event chamber, the rest of the card was fucking awful. 18 years later, Backlash's worst match was probably Rollins vs Omos and even that was pretty good.

For the WHC participants, breaking it down to the Raw/SD counterparts, we got...

Raw: Balor, Rollins, Nakamura, Priest, Rhodes, Miz
SD: Theory, Lashley, Styles, Rey, Edge, Sheamus

Tough call. Going with Balor > Styles for NoC

Maniac64 posted...

I hope Roman enters and wins and they have to make a 4th belt for Raw.

That would require Roman to wrestle twice on SmackDown in one evening, when he's only wrestled one match on SD in the last 11 months.