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No, there's an entire group of SRPG fanbase, probably bigger than the Fates fanboys and the people who like the storytelling more, that prefer large maps. FFT was an entire series, and every other SRPGs don't even use grids. The problem with narrow maps is that only 4 units can fight at a time. It's inherently more juggernaut focused. Every fucking Fates viable build is a juggernaut. EVERY build. Group fighting ability is non-existent in Fates. Just look up any modern vid on Fates Lunatic

It doesn't matter if you baselessly claim I'm in some minority as you... claim just freely without much evidence for some reason. The problem is I explain my points and Fates fanboys usually have nothing actually substantial to say against it. It's just a bad SRPG that feels good because it's more of an RPG that rewards crazy builds over actual strategy.

Unless just placing your well built unit on a pillar and passing is considered strategy. That's just 90% of Fates gameplay even in the highest lvl speedruns, but oh well I guess

I don't agree, but I'm pretty sure I already said most of my piece, so I don't want to regurgitate points. Compared to Engage, Fates is significantly more dependent on prior knowledge and abusable builds that auto win stages with 0 strategy requirement. Engage rewards movement and strategy way more and doesn't have auto win strategies, outside Lyn being broken I suppose.

Also there are too many luck based skills in Fates. Midori is also subsequently considered broken mostly because Fates rewards non-skill based RNG skill procs far more than any other game.

Awakening was fun but I think I only really liked it cuz I was still a fan of FE, and I didn't get a non-Shadow Dragon FE for like 7 fucking years or something.

In retrospect, even Fates was better, mostly because every other entry built on what Awakening did and just did it better. It kinda gets that Ocarina of Time treatment though, but the difference between a well done SRPG and one that basically just tells a good story is astronomical and actually explainable with math.

Yeah most of the map should be sealed, unless there was some secret way to exit the map prematurely. I'm fairly sure you fail the map if he dies too

Tennousu posted...

Push comes to shove, you can just make the Byssted with CP.

Funnily I would rather face Tearls than Runicks and stuns.

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Got my OTK stopped due to Nibiru before I went to battle phase smh.

I might as well have negative CP points at this point. I have so many much more important things I gotta craft lmao

Way is the gay as they say

Meanwhile I'm realizing I kinda want Bystials for a better lvl 8 and gy interruption engine on PUNKs... ugh... Am I about to undo my bad luck by going 3k gems deep and get nothing off the new packs?

Save me dear events. Save me from my hell

Yeah I understood it, but it's also like how do I make Super Producer, have a pendulum summoned from ED pend Abyss Actor, AND a specific type of face downs that actually do things when popped, which there are maybe like 3 of them? I can easily see the deck constructed to be like 10 times better. But like is there actually a point of having so many Abyss Script? Play? whatever the spells are called

Also yeah the Dogmatika one is like several million times better than the other 2 from my experience. Honestly the Abyss Actor win was a huge fluke. Electrumite is good and all but like... man they couldn't even give us a good Rank 7 xyz

Fucking solemn christ johnson, I tried the Abyss Actor deck, and I never seen a deck where every card does like 5 things, there are like 30 different cards in the deck, and like most of them don't seem to do anything.

I mean I managed to get the last win I needed with it, but it wasn't great. I only won cuz the other guy kinda threw. He didn't activate some of the effects that would've kinda screwed me, but to be fair, he had no idea I'd be on a pissin' Abyss Actor deck. I just stole Alba Zoa and his insanely powered up Maximus over 2 turns using one of the clown guys. Basically only won because of the Dogmatika cards lmao. I couldn't fucking figure out how to properly even kill anything.

Forcing them to destroy my own cards also had such a jank ass condition, like having to control a specifically pend summoned from the deck pendulum Abyss Actor? Like jesus, that effect isn't even that good cuz only some of the Abyss Actor cards actually do stuff when destroyed by an opponent's effect face down. Why wouldn't I just play Artifacts, I'm not sure.

Why do they also just have so many cards that don't do anything? This deck is ridiculous

Wait are they running 2 events concurrently or something?

Prismsblade posted...

Learned something interesting from a replay I saw earlier. You can actually dodge a deck out by skipping your next draw phase through effects like Number 60.

I had no idea wtf happened until I noticed the notification that stated such.

Lol yeah you only lose when the draw happens. The Ishizus basically made it impossible for any deck with them to deck out, but skipping draw entirely also works

People have also used https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Outstanding_Dog_Marron

Honestly I got absolutely spanked in the last 3 selection pack. Crazy that I can go into this one and basically have to only pull 1k gem and just end it lol. Feels a bit anticlimactic

All I want are Garura and Sprind. Only got like 1k gems lel let's see how bad I fail

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/4/1/AAT8UhAAEjGV.jpg
HUHHHHH?!?!

EXCUSE ME?!?!

Nice, Legend Anthology was probably like top 3 event for me. Really fun decks, though Dark Magicians were unbearably a bad match up for me

Wtf Garura alone nulls any nerfs to Tears this banlist. It is oppressively strong in Tear, basically became the reason they were so strong in TCG, cuz before Garura, Sprights were the strongest

No, there has always been Bystial decks. Wollow is basically their boss mon, and Dis Pater turn skip into OTK will probably be decently strong

Except there would be had they not limited 2 of their best cards. Honestly the limits are a bit harsh and Bystials are probably gonna see very little use

But even up until like a few weeks ago, there were numerous Bystial centric Dragon Link tops. Half the non-hand trap/staples deck are Bystials, other half Rokkets. Dragonmaid are also compatible with them. They specifically mention Branded cards, so they're not non-Bystials either

There are also just Bystial Control decks that likes keeping big bodies on the floor, and they're the heavy majority of the deck

https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/bystial-325317
https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/bystial-324442

2nd one straight up won that tournament. Most use links and control style but can also synchro and xyz for Zeus etc

Yeah though Sprights having Maxx C is the main reason Sprights got hit so much harder there. Honestly not much of the other hits influence the meta THAT much, compared to Maxx C, which alone has influenced a ton of hits by itself. MD will most likely go the same way but their banlist is a bit more frequent and reactive

They have a slightly more lenient banlist. But the big difference is that they have Maxx C, and Tears can actually play around Maxx C

Been thinking about stuff. What's crazy is that if Toadally never got banned, Sprights would've actually been tier 0 level dominant, even after Tears got released the way it did.

Also yeah I think I quite like the loaner deck events. I wish they were the typical xyz/synchro limit type events rather than 3 and done though. Getting loaner cards is a good idea, though hopefully they force you to use enough cards that we're actually motivated to innovate. I like deckbuilding in general

I'm still waiting for a draft mode. Battle Packs in the ancient days was one of the most fun ygo out there actually cuz there was a lot of variance and creativity

Prismsblade posted...

I don't think the armor cards could even work in the real game. Maybe as a equip style archetype but to what? Obviously the player isn't a option.

Make the head a link monster pointing 2 left/right down, arms eff(fusion?) monsters that only work if linked to the head, legs spell/traps that only work if they're on the same column as the arms

Bonus points if there's a chest piece that links up left right leftd rightd

Ezpz, where's my job offer Kownami

Also anybody notice yugipedia is back?

https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Landstar

I dunno when that happened, also ignore the uh... Landstars, some of the most powerful cards in all of duel monsters. I was talking about how they never got adapted with a friend and yeah

Speaking of, they never got adapted, and somehow the Valkyries and the Golden Castle made it before them. I don't get why they're so afraid of giving Joey adaptations

Joey's armor also just kinda became a single lame ritual card

Kim_Seong-a posted...

https://roadoftheking.com/ycsj-tokyo-2023/

Nice to see Swordsoul is still chugging along.

Mikanko in second place?! Should probably keep my eye on it when it hits Master Duel. >_>

Well this is a bizarre tourney though. A bo1 in a format balanced for bo3 is weird

Oh lol yeah now I get it. But yeah, I think the most important part is that Maxx C just makes very specific decks weaker, not that it keeps strong decks in check, and that's not to mention that 3 Ash, 2 Called, 1 Crossout are also necessary. I've said that before, most players were gonna revert cutting Ash since she's still necessary for Maxx C. I think any meta where Ash is more of a healthy option rather than a necessity is a good meta. But we've never got to see that meta cuz she's a default add purely because of Maxx C.

Tasuku says he fucking hates it in Farfa's interview. I usually see in the chat cursing the jii, which is what C is in jp. I just don't understand why they refuse to ban it. I don't see why not

Well if it actually kept powerful decks in check, then the best decks wouldn't be Tears and Sprights, decks that summon 5+ monsters. As many have already stated many times before, the best decks actually use Maxx C even better. Sprights literally search it while also being the most spammy deck in the current meta. Tears can literally skip their own turn and lose out on nothing if you get Maxx C'd. I don't think there's any skill here. The biggest problem is that either you're playing a deck inherently immune to its effect, or you drew the out. Every other deck that needs to draw hard outs to Maxx C or it ends their turn are the ones that get weaker in reality, which is why Maxx C isn't a balancer

It's like Bystials and how they are toxic. They kill every light/dark rogue deck viability, and when L/D decks are powerful, Bystials are TOO powerful. Maxx C is them but even worse for like weirdly selective decks.

I've lost to D-maids who pulled out 2 Maxx Cs and 2 Ashs and hard drew Branded Fusion. That shit was dumb and I think while this format should just be canon now in MD, Maxx C still needs to get fucking banned.

See, the great thing about Maxx C being banned is that the game ruining small section of the playerbase will come out of the woodworks. They will be a severe minority

The more I think about it, the more mad I get. I just don't see why they're keeping a card that a heavy majority of the playerbase hates

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They need to ban the moth. The attack decreasing power of great moth is too strong for any gain fusion knight to handle. Unless you have makiu in your hands to to step the field effect of the moth.

That's one of the most powerful cards in all of duel monsters

Kim_Seong-a posted...

I am so fucking hyped for the new Z-ARC support. Sucks that it won't be in Master Duel for a year or more.

https://youtu.be/pxk6w-17qX0

Incidentally, this video also makes me feel kind of hyped for Rescue Ace, which will probably be here in the next few months. Amazing Defenders is almost a year old now and we're burning through most of the other big releases from around that time period.

Weirdly it felt like a lot of the decks I was hyped for came to MD faster than I expected. I just need a certain Number card to make it here so I can play the Spright Nimble deck (note, not Nimble Spright as the Nimbles are the main)

Honestly Bystials are only technically sub decks used as pseudo hand traps, but compared to most subs, Bystials play 10 cards minimum, 3 pizzahut, druiswarm, lube, 1 Branded Beast. Like that's 10 cards minimum, 6~10 of the rest are other hand traps, 5~10 are generic spell/trap support.

Alba Los is also a pretty toxic card that acted as pseudo floodgate turn ender, and to play him, you add like 2-3 more names.

It's hard to say they're not really a deck of their own because they're plenty capable of finish games by themselves. They are far more powerful against decks that have light/dark fodders in the grave to the point where they're probably like 90-10 power difference between them, and it wouldn't be bizarre to say. Baldrake is even limited in OCG and is a crippling interruption basically by itself.

Saronir also adds Branded Fusion, which makes it feel a bit like Branded should just be considered a part of the archetype. They'd literally add less Branded cards than they would Bystials, so Bystials would be the main here. Like you'd have 3 Aluber (unless limited in any sense), 1~3 Albaz, 1 Comedy, up to 3 Fusions (also dependent on banlist).

Well them being limited only really hurts the decks that actually use them actually. The rest of the Bystials all have the same old quick banish to summon condition, which means the rogue decks afraid of them are still screwed just because they exist. You'd basically need to destroy that deck entirely

Ok them coming limited is kinda ridiculous imo. They're toxic of an archetype, sure, but we didn't even get to play around with it lol

Same, or lvl 7s, but that'd be too broken. They aren't that compatible with PUNKs as a result, which is mostly what I care about

Farfa commented on how the meta won't change with this banlist. That's so wrong. Ishizus having most of their cards at 1 means if you deal with it promptly once, there are no back up shufflers, and it also reduces the chance of random mills. Blue can be cheated out pretty easily, but there's a huge difference between having Blue in hand with a lvl 2 vs. a Red/Carrot in terms of the end combo. Not starting with Blue is just far easier to stop, and you have a chance they can't have one more interruption, either a Carrot/Red, IP, or Melffy Cat/Mommy.

Branded will be able to come back cuz they were particularly weak to Ishizus in fringe cases, and now they can take up the spot that Ishizus left behind in Tear decks. Branded Ishizu Tear will probably be the best deck with Sprights 2nd, but now Exosisters will be contending for that top 3 spots.

With Bystials, they'll be ever present in basically every single deck, and Exo Bystials might end up being really powerful. The theory is that Bystial is a quick effect that activates Martha on field and turns Returnia into a 2 banish

https://www.reddit.com/r/masterduel/comments/13wczbg/new_banlist_in_effect_from_june_8th/

Behold.

Well it's semi-close to what I was hoping for. I was hoping for a flat out nuke on the Ishizu stuff, but the Tear stuff getting untouched is pretty fine actually. Blue getting hit is kinda big and Elf being left alone is bizarre. However Elf is less problematic in the current context if just for the fact that

CYBERSTEIN BANNED BABY NEVER COME BACK FUCK YOU CYBERFUCK

It's because Giant Rat activates on Damage Step after it is destroyed. Ash cannot be activated on Damage Step. Quite a few things can't, but also quite a few things can

1st place PUNK chad Tasuku got 1st yet again, played Branded Ishizu Tear initially with 1 Albaz 3 Fusion, 1 of each of the lvl 8 fusions that lead to Mirrorjade, then swapped to Melffy Spright list that most people ended up copying later on

He had 291 games, 64.26% win rate, 52.23% going firsts

https://clips.twitch.tv/DarkBeautifulBananaTebowing-J_6qxGUPWpQDQ0JP

Too unreal

I think Kitkallos is gonna get banned no matter what happens. Ishizus will probably also get cut down quite a bit but not as hard as people initially imagined, probably. Tears probably won't see hits beyond that. I just don't think it'd be justified. Bystials will probably tilt the favor towards Tears again once they release, though them being slow about it says a lot more, even though they can sorta be used against Tears

Regardless, the banlist is gonna be much different than anybody imagined. Sprights will actually get hit further, Exosisters might get a slight tap on the tush, some random card will be caught on crossfire, and Elf will be banned almost as soon as Sprind comes to MD

Ok... so uhh this might've been a Spright tier 0 format without anybody realizing. Sprights got Melffy package and still has maxx c/swap frog. So it turns out they're really powerful.

Also attack points actually matter, and Gamma Burst is going wild rn.

The more I watch top lvl players play, the more it's obvious Tears are weaker than Sprights

In fact, in the last like 15-20 duels from Joshua Schmidt, there have been 2 Tears, and they were both quickly KO'd, one was basically game since Shifter, the other was just Spright being better.

PUNK guy tasuku is running Sprights. Seems people are realizing Sprights are the more powerful deck rn. Looks like it's not really a Tear 0 format...

Only takes a soulcrushing billion games competition to realize it I guess

Holy shit, I just saw Joshua Schmidt hold Ash in hand for 2 separate Tearlaments Scream activations so that he can Ash the subsequent Maxx C that came after. Basically won him the game hard

That's shocking. It's like the most braindead one path deck

https://twitter.com/YuGiOh_TCG/status/1662488988769300482?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

TCG banlist a day after MBT talks about not liking the current banlist. Confirms MBT is Konami employee just sayin

Why did it take this long for Cyberstein to be banned when it deserved it as soon as Sprights were a thing? Nobody will ever know

Also this is the first time a Naturia card ended up on the banlist I believe

Tennousu posted...

How many Paleo traps do you put? Apart from Dinomischus and the one that face-down someone I feel the rest are meh.

A list I'm using has 3 of the trap mill green looking one (sends Tear trap and it adds?!?!), 2 Canadia, and 3 Dinomischus. Imo Leancholia could also warrant some looking into, but there aren't too much space

Paleo Tears are really fun, but it's ultimately fairly reliant on going first and hard drawing enough Paleos. Makes it very inconsistent overall

Honestly, this is one of the more fun Cups to watch on somebody's stream. The decision making in every game is pretty high. Has to be mega stressful though

Just saw Joshua Schmidt literally wall for 2 turns with what was basically an untouchable defense mode Kaleido-heart. If he left Kaleido in attack mode, then the opponent would've just crashed any of the 3k attack fusion into it.

Then he won the grind game and exhausted all the Ishizu shufflers. Man imagine with the current meta would be without the Ishizus though

Continuous effects in general requires the card to be face up on the field, or it's negated beforehand I guess. There isn't a card that exists that gets rid of a lingering continuous effect.

I somewhat misunderstood the prompt, cuz I was thinking of Tears recently. "if sent to GY by a card effect" effects aren't actually prompted when sent by continuous effects.

The thing about the Metaphys Executor situation, Executor by Penguin Soldier has already been bounced to the hand, which means it's no longer on the field, which means it's no longer protected as it's a continuous effect which requires it to be on the field and face up to be active. So it's bounced to the hand then sent to the banish instead.

Calwings posted...

I got an answer to the question I thought of in post #287:

https://www.reddit.com/r/yugioh/comments/13oj88d/comment/jlhhsuw/?context=3

Redirecting a card to be banished (AKA what Shifter, Cosmos, D-Fissure, etc. do) doesn't count as banishing by a card effect, so a "send to the GY" effect like Dingirsu would indeed get around Gymir's protection from being banished even if an effect like Shifter being active would cause it to be banished instead. God, this game really is for lawyers.

Yes card effect almost always refers to something that happens during a chain resolution. Continuous or lingering effects do not cause a new chain, though some continuous effects do, but they're actually continuous effects that cause an ignition effect rather than just being only a continuous effect, if that makes sense.

I'm trying hard to think of a potential counter example, but I'm fairly sure that's how it works

Yeah I think that's gonna be too expensive. PUNKs are sadly on their way out atm to blow 90/180 CPs on it

PUNK base is not that complicated. You max out on all the SR main decks and do 2 Deer Note (3 is fine). You can do 1-2 of the field spell, 1 of either of the traps, 2-3 Sharakusai, 1 of each of spell/trap searcher

You can run 1-2 of the lvl 8 PUNK synchro, recommended 2 of the lvl 11 PUNK synchro (it comes up if you do the combo right). You can replace a lvl 8 PUNK synch with Chaos Ruler, and if you run Instant Contact then run Dragite or whatever the lvl 8 Adam synchro was called

Rest can literally be all hand traps. I've bricked a few times. I bricked against 60 card decks with literal perfect hands. But that is the risk of running a ton of hand traps. Builds don't change much, outside of when you want PUNK to be the engine rather than the central part of the deck

I quit my SwoSo deck cuz I'm still low rank (one climb was plenty for me lol) and was running into strictly non-Tear and losing cuz D Fissure and shit was clogging my hand.

I guess I'm all PUNK again, only lost 1 with them. The first place guy last KC cup is also grinding with PUNKs again after doing several Tear streams. I guess it just feels right to him

A lower tier WC qual DL Tear player insta folded to an Ash set/Called by set to another Ash in hand negating their Scheiren. All this guy had to do was play on... I had nothing lol

If that's the DnD saga that I think I read, that was a cool little arc.

I fucking lost too many times to random decks on Swoso, which had been good for a while, but yeah the one bad day

I switched back to PUNKs and basically won 5 in a row immediately. The old faithful never betrays I suppose