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Coming off what I wrote earlier because I don't want to repeat myself but I also don't expect you to read the entire topic:

TMOG posted...

...Animal Crossing, the game that single-handedly got a lot of people through the pandemic, was received negatively?

From a public audience perspective, it was received positively. But fans of the series could instantly recognize the drop in quality that it was. And there are countless posts/videos/threads on it.

Garioshi posted...

Nintendi has always made better games when their consoles sell poorly.

I completely agree and that's my point with this topic. This is one of the reasons the Gamecube is buried in praise. They were losing 6th gen and software development was the only tool they had to better themselves. With big sellers like with the Switch and the Wii, they don't have to try nearly as hard.

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Abridged, I anticipated this comment:
Forgotten Land was in response to Star Allies. They went over the top on the 2nd try because Star Allies made it abundantly clear how stale 2D Kirby was getting; it wasn't enough for people.

If my argument in this thread is that games implemented for a casual market have decreased in effort on Switch due to Nintendo realizing how easy it is to sell them regardless, then you might say Forgotten Land is the evolution of Kirby from casual to hardcore- AKA series that are peaking on Switch (zelda, metroid, FE)

My final bump 2 u

Jabodie posted...

e talking about sports titles specifically I would agree, but

Wii Sports didn't exist until after that, but from a Mario Sports perspective: Mario Golf World Tour is the one exception.

blackrider76 posted...

Sorry the game wasnt as good as it shouldve been at launch, well patch it up for free isnt a strategy to curb public reaction.

Its how we get comeback stories like No Mans Sky.

It's not a strategy to curb public reaction at all, but it is a strategy to release a game far before it's ready. I'll give it to Kirby that the free updates for Star Allies were likely an unanticipated afterthought and most similar to the sentiment you posted. But other times, the free update is deliberate. Every Animal Crossing game had Redd before New Horizons, you're telling me they were planning New Horizons without it and were shocked at the reaction of "Where is he?" "Sorry, we've added him back in a free update 2 months after launch!"

blackrider76 posted...

Kirby is objectively not a good example of this because of the free DLC that eventually elevated the game to great, if not top tier status.

At best you could say it was rushed, but it *was* an anniversary celebration, so thats not indicative of less effort or cheaper quality

Every game I listed had free updates which helped to fix downward public reaction. All of them are significantly better now than when they launched, but the response to free updates as a strategy is just as negative.

rexcrk posted...

Sounds to me like youve just gotten older. There are kids playing those games now who think theyre amazing, and in 15 years, those kids will be like games nowadays suck, I miss when they were good like what we had on Switch

Not quite, I played the N64 and Gamecube Mario Sports titles with my older siblings who were late teens, early twenties- and they enjoyed them then. I don't think age has anything to do with it, a good game is fun to everyone, regardless, and that's basically Nintendo's motto. But a better way to see the evidence is to look at the Metacritic scores from said series across time. Which I will do below.

CyricZ posted...

I don't play Animal Crossing but seeing as how it's the second highest selling Switch game ever I figure people must be enjoying it. Now that's not a specific analysis of its "quality", but I think sales can at least be a good tangential metric.

I can agree. But a lot of Switch games are going to end up selling the best in their series because the install base is massive; it's Nintendo's best selling console. Pokemon S/S are also in the top 5 as well as Pokemon's 2nd best-selling and many people have been critical of those despite the revenue.

The point I wanna make is that most of this criticism (Animal Crossing, too) comes from devout series fans- as that's the only way you'd be able to notice a dip in quality. But it doesn't matter if the dip is there or not, because the console is so widespread across the "casual" market, that they'll sell on name and hype alone. Which is what Nintendo seems to be aware of, or so goes my personal theory.

Let's look at Kirby analytically since that's the example that's striking in this thread.
Star Allies on Metacritic received a 73, despite selling around 4 million. Now the two games before it.
Planet Robobot received an 81, and sold about 1.6 million.
Triple Deluxe received an 80, and sold about 2.6 million.

Do you see my point?

BUT! And this next part is important.

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Nintendo does not dare mess with the series that are more in the hands of hardcore gamers and critics, as they know any drops in quality there would be easily detected and harm their industry stature.

damn really thought I was onto something

I'll tell you what not to watch

Breakfast at Tiffany's
Taxi Driver

So when it comes to games like Animal Crossing, Switch Sports, Kirby Star Allies, Mario Tennis/Golf/Strikers- these have all been met with a negative reaction and they've all had better 3DS, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube components. This is a personal theory, but has the Switch's success made Nintendo try less hard? Like they don't need to put in as much effort because the install-base is so massive and casual, they'll buy based on name alone?

I get the past two games were bashed for simplicity but now the zone shot stuff is just convoluted

I just booted it up today and I gotta tell you this game got way too much hate, it's a decent time with pals

GameFAQs is the prison my friend

DemonBuffet posted...

Im about to start a Pokemon Black playthrough for the first time ever, how do you like your playthrough, TC?

I've only played Pearl, HeartGold and to the 3rd gym of X. I asked my friend which had the best story and he said Gen 5, idk I guess it's okay. The name makes sense anyway

anyone played Pokemon White, can you help me with a simple question?

I got all 8 badges and just made it to the last town- the league
I think I'm about to start the elite four/champion, but I still don't have the legendary. Did I miss it?

...made by Nintendo?

Okay another question,

in breath of the wild, do different textures take more/less from durability?
Like obviously hitting something against a rock enemy might take more durability then when cutting grass.

Is that a mechanic?

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Stronger than the Kokiri Sword even.

oooo please inform

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

That was the Giant's Knife, not Biggoron Sword.

ah you are correct, my mistake

all I can think is the biggoron's sword

The Wii U and 3DS are retro consoles now,

Switch is current gen

No more musical homescreens or eShop

No more time waster applications like Miiverse or Check Mii Out

How old are you and will you be the same age next fall

Lost 20 pounds during lockdown. I had nothing else to do and it happened to be spring so I took lots of runs and bought training equipment. Also had more time to cook and research things like nutrition and recipes. Ultimately it boils down to free time. 40 hour work weeks subject you to the quickest options available, fast food and snacks and lots of (needed) rest. So COVID really helped to shine a light on how beneficial those things can be for your health if you work them into your schedule.

I also later caught C Diff that fall and that was probably the most effective way to lose weight lol

ECW_Originals12 posted...

as is golf

Woah woah now let's not get carried away

as a series, they're pretty bland. the n64 one is good. the gamecube/wii one is okay. the rest are like eh

nice ok cool it's on GamePass so I'll get downloadin

are the controls easy enough to learn?

also how are the controls

Looking for lightly sad stuff, whenever I try googling it though I always get "Top 10 Emotional Video Game Songs" but that's too much. Please hit me with what you have for melancholy VGM

looking for game characters who seem scary enough like they'd be enemies or hostile, but they are chill

examples:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/4/AAZTd0AAES-M.jpg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/8/5/AAZTd0AAES-N.jpg

pegusus123456 posted...

The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde is a mystery novel where the protagonist is trying to figure out how Jekyll and Hyde are connected. Its popularity means that literally everyone knows how Jekyll and Hyde are connected.

this is something I only found out in the last week despite everyone using it as, like, a euphemism for over a century. fuckin spoilers. great example.

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okay, good on both ends. if Metallica abandoned their core audience with X album and in pursuit of popularity, then that sucks too. another prime example that I would have thought of is Taylor Swift who left behind country for pop.

of course there are other reasons popularity might ruin an artist. literally, in the case of Nirvana.

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could I have you explain both

Ideal bump

AsucaHayashi posted...

topic was a bit different than i imagined.

i pictured a single piece of media that was great but got so exposed that people eventually got tired of it. for me it's something like "last christmas".

examples mentioned is just corporate greed.

not necessarily. it can also be something that got so popular that it morphed to meet the demands of a new crowd.

big bang theory got so popular it stopped having the nerdy/sciency jokes that the early seasons did and became Friends-lite.

animal crossing got so popular it ditched half the things that made it iconic for a sandbox parameter.

fire emblem also ditched it's gritty hardcore strategy blood for waifus and, I think you get the point

the best example I can think of for games is guitar hero/rockband. it got popular then they started making like 2 every year. it oversaturated the market and it's largely a thing of the past.

for tv shows, probably the walking dead. it refused to end because of how popular it was and now it's horribly dragged.

music is a hard one, I need help.

yusiko posted...

but i hated the dungeons

dont remember shit about that game but that the rope at the tower of babel made me want to die

and do you still play it today?

okay so then

Kombucha posted...

I remember gatekeeping dumb shit as a teenager because I was desperately trying to adopt things as my personality. I always thought this was weird in retrospect but maybe a natural inclination when you're faced with trying to carve out an identity that isn't mainstream. But what is weirder? Doing that well into adulthood.

Gatekeeping something for the sake of yourself = bad

PerseusRad posted...

I think the goal of gatekeeping is often to ensure the qualities of something you like dont get watered down to appeal to everyone

Gatekeeping for the sake of IT = better?

ZevLoveDOOM posted...

basically, if you like something that's popular, regardless of how good it is, you're viewed as a sheep who cant form its own opinions. at least that's what i get everytime i hear that type of drivel...

Hmm the counterpoint being that if something's so good it can translate to a mass of people, it's obviously doing something right.

PerseusRad posted...

I think the goal of gatekeeping is often to ensure the qualities of something you like dont get watered down to appeal to everyone, instead of appealing to what they want. At least in reference to your question here, theres certainly gatekeeping thats just people being pricks.

Well put

like why is something becoming more popular instantly usually met with negativity. why do hipster exist. what is the goal of gatekeeping

keep going I be pondering!

Questionmarktarius posted...

Katamari Damacy has a few

Katamari is actually what I listen to when I want to avoid having thoughts lol, which is equally as important! I have a very prominent memory of taking my dog to the beach in winter time when no one was there and blasting Houston. I think that's the most therapy my mind has ever received

CaptainStrong posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD2KUvzT2ms

oh I'm gonna kiss you, I literally almost posted this as (the only) example to go off of but didn't wanna influence anyone. you're a fucking wizard

looking for soft, thinking, sentimental video game music I can drive to and ponder

Thanks guys

do they have to be present in the topic for it to work

for some reason it doesn't seem to work anymore or am I just stupid

WarfireX posted...

Stop making being anxious a part of your identity. Stop telling strangers you meet upfront you have anxiety. Move away from being a person who is perpetually nervous so you don't feel obligated to behave like one when you are in public out of habit.

I feel like this is the "why are people homeless? Just get a home" meme

bsp77 posted...

I generally struggle with that too. That is the main reason I am getting married again because my fiance is just about the only person that can calm my anxiety simply by being around her.

Girlfriend has been great about this. It suddenly increased a ton in the last week and I find myself struggling to focus. She's been very cool as we explore options.

Supersex420 posted...

Do you get anxious alone or socially anxious? Probably different sets of coping mechanisms

Both but moreso alone. Any kind of anticipation of a future gives me anxiety

How do you calm yourself down when freaking out?

PerseusRad posted...

The Pokemon third versions.

great idea

Heartomaton posted...

>_>

<_<

...Majora's Mask.

too much is different between the two, this is more than just simple engine reuse

but if you had said Tears of the Kingdom