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One of the main scenario writers, Masato Kato (he handled the Kingdom of Zeal arc and was the director of Cross), has long since moved on from Square and is working on a mobile game with Yasunori Mitsuda. No point in bringing the IP back if you're not going to bring back the main creative minds behind the series.

R_Jackal posted...

I never understood why Twitter was put on a pedestal. Any singular source that is even a quarter as dominant as it has become is going to be subject to someone, somewhere, tweaking it to suit their vision. Anyone out to make money out of something like Twitter is going to pander to wherever they see the money is, and that can change with management(as is currently being seen. Personal opinions aside I believe we can agree that's what Musk was trying to do).

Dunno. I've always tried to get my information and always assume I'm never getting the whole picture, so if it's something I care about I dig in more usually from a variety of sources. Not to say I don't have my own biases, I still dismiss things and even end up on the wrong side of things because of it. Just feel like certain aspects of discussion that are incredibly important are fading away and so few care.

It's put on a pedestal because it monopolizes the main outlets of communication to the point where people refuse to be creative and look for alternatives. While I doubt Musk will fail and end up causing the collapse of Twitter, there are multiple clones out there like it in addition to tons of investors and developers are salivating at the opportunity of replacing it using more innovative technologies.

And yeah, the US nation has become so polarized over the past decade that it's extremely difficult to have a meaningful conversation without people shutting out the opposite side. It's awful.

R_Jackal posted...

Being afraid of the Boogeyman of disinformation as a regular civilian is just saying you don't hold yourself accountable and never question yourself, which is an incredibly awful way to live.

It's worse than that. A lot of these peeps talking about fighting disinformation act as if they're the only ones intelligent enough discern the truth from false information and people who are rightwing are brain washed or not intelligent enough to make sense of and validate claims that come their way.

They're not even arguing in good faith regarding fighting dis/misinformation/whatever when Twitter has been shadowbanning accounts on behalf of government officials and Twitter even pushed Popular California cultural trends to the top of the algorithm in other countries despite no one having any organic interests in them. When Musk bought the site, those cultural trends and beliefs faded into oblivion. Musk still kowtows to government officials unfortunately.

Now cue the usual posters who can't comprehend my posts but want to label me as X/Y/Z anyhow.

Well, so much for learning Vyper language. The Curve protocol nearly collapse because of the language version they used had an exploit for re-entrancy attacks.

https://rekt.news/curve-vyper-rekt/

The protocol was saved because it used Chainlink price oracles to maintain the CRV prices as it weighted by volume the prices of onchain DEX (Uniswap, sushiswap) prices and off chain Centralized exchange (Binance, Coinbase) prices.

Strand posted...

Its expansion got delayed due to lawsuits from other companies, who were trying to stifle competition.

https://who13.com/news/west-des-moines-mediacom-settle-lawsuit-filed-over-google-fiber-deal/amp/

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/07/13/google-fiber-nashville-broadband-fcc/782880002/

So Google Fiber is gonna roll across the nation? FREEEEEDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!

g7g7g7g7 posted...

Because the U.S. private system is a series of monopolies, there are literally areas with only one choice of ISP the free market in the U.S. for telecoms has been a dismal failure.

But why should making it state owned be the suggested solution? And didn't the government have a hand in enabling this monopoly? I recall Google Fiber getting blocked multiple times from expanding due to lobbying.

TonyKojima posted...

I would support the federal government seizing starlink in the name of national security.

Why in the world would you ever want a state owned ISP? Why in the world would you justify that with the "in the name of national security" excuse?

UnfairRepresent posted...

If it successfully shows a signifcant drop in traffic and profits then it will make twitter take the complaints more seriously

No it won't. You'll only prove you can't live without Twitter for more than 24 hours. Either you GO ALL IN and force them to decide between continuing what they're doing and enter bankruptcy or they make a change that you like to bring you back.

None of this halfassed shit of "Let's boycott them till it inconveniences us!". Put something of value at stake or don't bother at all. This is how successful boycotts work (till you get outmuscled by whales in games, or the company gets funding from BlackRock's ESG program).

ragnarokius posted...

Huh, interesting. I didn't know that, I just figured it was some general internet slang thing.

It's a typical character archetype in anime, a shut in dude who does nothing but play videogames all day and never leaves his house. As anime became more popular, and sadly, as people became more demoralized in getting a meaningful career started, a lot of guys said "to hell with the world!" and idolized that lifestyle.

ragnarokius posted...

I think I was confusing it with the movement of people that celebrate all of those things, that do it purposefully and always plan to.

Those guys would be a subset of NEETs, ones finding a community to celebrate their lifestyle then. But the term originated from Japan where they had an influx of males giving up on school and living as shutins with their parents.

ragnarokius posted...

Pretty sure basically everyone has..

Doesn't the N stand for "never"? I thought that was the general idea with that whole thing.

Not employed, educated, or in training. Basically if you're doing jack squat with your life. I'd hesitate to include a few months of downtime between jobs, or between job hunting as NEETing it up. Job hunting takes time. Now if you're spending a year burning away your savings and you're not trying to self learn or figure out a move for your career, that's definitely living the NEET life.

andel posted...

well now if you are backing up to that range only 43% actually want a relationship so the vast majority that actually want a relationship have one.

the facts are that the majority of people have relationships assuming they actually want one.

That's not my argument. My argument has been around that one specific age bracket. And what you're discussing has no conflicts with my points.

using redpill terms isn't going to get you credibility fyi. those types are poisoning your mind and are one of the main reasons most of their adherents remain single.

" I don't like the words you use so I'll dismiss you over challenging my point!"

Shut up.

See, this is the problem with you and half these people coming into this topic. You keep arguing with your feelings over being objective. On top of that, you guys (no longer talking to you andel) keep looking at statistics and interpreting data in a vacuum.

"The pew research tweet of women in the [18-29] age bracket are twice as likely to be in a relationship as their male peers because guys don't want to be in a relationship!"

Do you seriously hear yourself? When we have a literal growing demographic if guys who declared they're incapable of finding a companion, aka incels? When the redpill community is blowing up in size due to guys not satisfied with their lives (especially in finding a girl to call their own)? Hell, I can bring up a guide someone wrote on how to successfully transition MTF and mentions observing a population of guys transitioning because they want to be accepted in a community and said population feels like they have a better shot of finding a companion as a girl if they transition as opposed to their perceived fate of dying alone, not because of typical gender dysphoria. That logic for refuting the research tweet is equivalent to the government rigging the stats to exclude people giving up on finding a job to reduce the unemployed rate to make it sound like the job market is healthier than it really is.

Look, no one is saying women have their own dating woes. But you can't go and complain women have it worse or just as bad, online and not, when you can complain about women using Tinder as a free meal service, or find endless results of girls with a gazillion shallow reasons of why they no longer found a guy attractive or rejected a guy. These events can only happen when you have excess.

I'm begging you guys, take your feelings out of this and be objective. I'm sure a lot of us here are really good at math and it's easy, but we can all agree that math is an egregiously poorly taught subject. Similarly, if you had a bad experience with dating online, you can still recognize the dead brown grass on the other side. Or if you won out, you can recognize that if over 50% of the population is struggling, may be it's more than a "you" problem with how so many guys are striking out.

The reason why I'm going on about being objective is because you guys go on and complain about how toxic redpill/incel/whatever is and want to fight against them, but then you can't even repeat their points, demonstrating a lack of understanding of their arguments. This happens in a bunch of topics on this board. And all the while, the redpill community keep growing and growing and we shit like Andrew Tate, a dude who pimped out girls to exploit guys who wanted a girl to call their own (you see the hypocrisy with this?), now being heavily idolized.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/17/ripple-hopes-judge-ruling-in-sec-case-will-lead-to-us-banks-using-xrp.html

https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-wire-news-releases-pmn/republic-of-palau-launches-us-dollar-backed-palau-stablecoin-in-the-next-phase-of-collaboration-with-ripple-on-the-xrp-ledger

Best of luck. Ripple is competing with SWIFT that has kickstarted their own blockchain projects, mentioned before in the topic. In addition, Binance has opened up a lot of avenues for people to be paid in stablecoins. I went looking for a tweet of someone doing a survey on it, and I can't find it again...

GATTJT posted...

Get over it

This question was asked during FFXVI's development. OP's quite perceptive that FF has next to no identity nowadays.

andel posted...

32% of men and 28% of women overall are single. the vast majority of both aren't single and those numbers of people that are single are comparable. only 21% of adults from 30-49 are single according to that.

my argument revolves around the 18-29 age bracket, as I stated that before and the OP's pics state 22 year old female and male.

If we're going to dig into different age brackets, we know a male's sexual market value increases as he ages (of course it falls at a certain point), as he should be settled in his career among other factors while women's sexual market value decreases as they age (to rephrase a woman's sexual market value peaks waaaaay earlier than a man's) because their attractiveness revolves around fertility and youth and they're competing with women younger than them.

Note I'm not saying it's impossible for a woman to find a steady relationship at 40 or a guarantee a 40 year old man is going to get his pick of the ladies available to him. It's just gonna be harder for the lady and easier for the guy compared to if they were 15 years younger.

DrizztLink posted...

That's actually not at all a response to what he said.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Perhaps you should do some self reflection and ask yourself that? Also, how the f*** is that relevant to what I said?

Jesus Fucking H. Christ.

Let me give you guys an analogy. Say there's a college with Major A and Major B and people are randomly distributed into it and like to argue over which major is more difficult. Yet when you look at the average GPAs between Major A and Major B, the average A is a 3.7 while B is a 2.9. Based on a results which one is more likely to be recognized as the more difficult major?

And if you can't put 2 and 2 together; you can make X,Y, and Z as to why women have it harder, but at the end of the day, women (18-29) are achieving the objective of finding a relationship at the end of the day at WAY higher rates than males of their age range.

https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1623352132375302144?s=20

So what's the explanation to reconcile the argument of women's difficulty with the superior success rates?

Cause I'll just point at the tweet above and refute your point by saying the more difficult it is achieve something the less likely someone is able to achieve success regarding it. Occam's Razor. If it's easy, everyone can do it, and you get a 100% success rate. If it's ridiculously hard, only 1% can do it. Obviously I'm throwing numbers out as an example, but do you understand the logic here?

If your argument was "women are more vulnerable than men", then I would generally agree with you. But difficulty? That can clearly quantified by success rates.

ScazarMeltex posted...

They do have it worse, because they have to worry about the fact that every dude they come into contact with there could be a f***ing monster who might rape them. Add to that the anxiety of a criminal justice system that is more willing to protect the rapist than it is to punish them. Especially if he's a wealthy white dude.

Also, shut the f*** up.

And yet, at that age bracket (within the 18-29 year old bracket), she's twice as likely to be in a relationship as her male peer. If women have it so much harder than guys, why are they seeing so much more success in getting into relationships?

What I flip it to the other unbitten side before dipping?

Goldice posted...

Read up on the school. You need to be in like the lowest 25% of standardized testing reading scores to even get entered into a lottery for it.

It's one of those "what are we comparing this to" sort of things.

Just finished the article Dakimakura posted. 28% of the students have learning disabilities. Holy shit.

s0nicfan posted...

edit: the school has also seen 15 teachers leave recently and they've been through like 5 principals. There's definitely management issues at play as well.

I get some people are passionate about making a difference in kids' lives, but that's very idealistic compared to the reality of teaching. Given how these kids scored really low to be qualified to join this school, I can bet $1000 there will be a considerable number of kids with behavioral issues. It'd be somewhat manageable if it's a school with a normal distribution of kids who score along the bell curve overall. But only the bottom? Oh my fucking god.

I'd be very surprised if Lebron was part of the planning process all I can think is "why the flip would someone want to teach there?". They're gonna get burnt out waaaaaaaay too fast.

I want to be lenient because of Covid and online learning, but not a single student in 3 years? Jeez and bread. What are the national rates looking like? And more importantly how involved are the parents regarding the kids' education? Half the kid's learning and education comes from the home. What is their home situation looking like?

I am conservative yet my youtube is filled with Smash Bros, hiking, food, programmng and vidya game music videos. If you don't like something, click on "not interested" when pulling up the settings just under the bottom right corner of the thumbnail.

Mr. Beast videos for some reason popped up in my feed. Immediately clicked "Not interested" and boom, never appeared again. Same thing when a friend brought up a few videos of Fresh and Fit and the algorithm thought I was a fan. Bing bing pow, couldn't tell you how they're doing nowadays.

ImAMarvel posted...

You've NEVER gotten recommended a video from The Critical Drinker/Ben Shapiro/some other rightwing ass*** because you happened to watch a movie review or some other kind of political video?

Come on dude. You watched a political video, of course the algorithm is going to bring up the biggest commentators in that space. Don't be naive.

PraetorXyn posted...

When people saythe PS5 has no games,l what they mean is the PS5 has no games worth buying a PS5 for, AKA, games you cant get anywhere else. It has barely any of those, and the ones it does have will seemingly be coming to PC within a few years.

Succinctly explained. OP is busy interpreting that line "X has no games" literally while missing the point.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

ISO coins will be the future of that industry I'm sorry TC you still believe in bitcoin and eth those will be gone along with the others that don't have a use case and arnt clean energy. I'd invest in other assets.

@apocalyptic_4 got any links or articles I can read up on regarding ISO coins? I'm not interested in investing in it but I'd like stay abreast of the current happenings, especially my knowledge is fairly limited to the Ethereum ecosystem.

The point of societal pressure for (married) couples to have kids is to ensure the issue of the lack of kids needed to sustain a generation never comes up. See Japan's birthrate crisis for when they let the birth rate plummet too far. The US can sort of technically get away with not pressuring people because we have immigration covering for us.

That being said, I wouldn't expect people in their 20's and early 30's to be too concerned with having kids, especially in this economy when people can't afford to buy a house. However, it's when you hit your late 40's, into your 50's and 60's where you have to look back at your life and consider what kind of legacy you're leaving behind and what you've accomplished. This is when the decision of having children or abstaining come to bear its fruit.

For those who don't want children, I would recommend speaking to older folks who committed to that decision decades down the road and make sure you're comfortable with that decision with insight of how your future could play out and if they're happy, what are the components that led to them being fulfilled.

Because I have close older lady friends, one is battling CRUSHING loneliness and would lead an invasion of China to look for weapons of mass destruction if it meant finding a time machine to change her life decisions. Conversely, another doesn't have kids of her own, but still is in a very close family and family friends so she has her place in the world, in her community.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

What's your thoughts on ISO coins?

Never heard of it. Sorry bro.

Kuuko posted...

True. Any day now we will figure out what the real usecase for bitcoin is. Then we will all be rich. We simply need to find this one small final piece of the puzzle.

My sarcasm detector is blinking, but in case it's faulty, the bitcoin already has served its purpose and is doing what it was intended to do, be an alternate banking system from the traditional banking world with a currency completely removed of influence from the US dollar (mainly the US government's and military's interference).

With this next bull run, right now the focus is on tokenizing assets.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/2/1/AAWh3OAAEs3B.jpg

Full Bank of America report here:

https://twitter.com/chainlink/status/1680700585648201729?s=20

But ideally, a vision for a lot of Web3 developers is to replace Web2 services. Basically everything is up for grabs. To give an example, Uber can be recreated in the Web3 space and it'll be could appealing as it could be reconstructed with a more transparent and potentially profitable wage calculation for individual drivers via smart contracts (which reduce administrative overhead already) and also give them a voice in the direction of the company through a DAO (decentralized autonomous organization) where whatever currency of this Web3 version of Uber they use could double as governance votes.

The reason why they want to use Smart contracts is because it's basically a coded obligation that you essentially can't change once it has been deployed. "If X event happens, then Y is executed." This gives people guarantees unlike in Web2 and this has created more profitable opportunities as people can collaborate together without the fear of getting screwed over (aside from hackers and fundamentally flawed protocols).

TheMikh posted...

foundry scripting is a pain in the ass

all the convenience, expressiveness, and debuggability of solidity (see: awful), but for scripts that unit test and deploy codebases, despite such use cases being far better supported and documented with nodejs

why does it exist

You tell me. I started learning it a little bit back in march, but I haven't gotten into the nitty gritty to see why everyone is using it over hardhat. I went from Brownie to Hardhat, now I gotta learn a new environment? Aaaahhhhhhhhh

andel posted...

crypto isn't inherently a scam but it is filled with scammers and s***bags due to lack of oversight or regulation. when a space is like 99% pump and dump schemes there is a major issue.

loafy013 posted...

If one of the big benefits touted by crypto is that is free of government oversight, why do cryptobros scream about wanting government regulation when somebody takes the money and runs?

Because it's the quickest solution when people play foul. The fact that the industry didn't do any kind of gatekeeping or self-regulation blew up in our face with Terra Luna blockchain, Celsius Network, and the FTX exchange collapse and did a massive blow to the reputation of the industry.

While you can't stop people from throwing their money at the next degenerate scam, what we should have done was not give people who clearly aren't upholding the values of crypto the time of day.

That being said, because of 2022's fiascos, the age of shitcoin domination is basically over. The next bull run will revolve around real world uses cases...

Actually I can see the BTC having a run when the BTC network gets connected to Ethereum. (Powered by Chainlink's CCIP of course)

Ricemills posted...

Wow, Wii U is that bad?

Even worse than the GC which sold 21 million units. However, as mentioned before, the Wii U was also was a massive success as a test case. Everyone tried offscreen play loved it and the only criticism was its limited functionality. This gave Nintendo the greenlight and blessings to revolve the successor console around that feature; switching from the TV to handheld.

Nintendo does a lot of internal testing with games to determine its future even on failed consoles. I recall hearing Nintendo developed the Donkey Kong congo game on the Gamecube specifically to gauge if people enjoyed being in the same room with others playing in playing games (I might be messing up the experiment here) to help bolster confidence in the direction they were taking with the Wii.

It takes a certain character to be able to create an organization that attracts scientists all over with the vision of advancing humanity and he accomplished this with SpaceX.

That being said, he does have quite an ego and can act undignified and immature at times, which I can overlook. But his antics with creating so many single mommy households is unacceptable.

CRON posted...

That's surprising news to me.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/6/0/AAWh3OAAEspk.jpg

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html

apocalyptic_4 posted...

This will be a fun topic to look back on in the future good luck TC.

Indeed it will. One of the reasons why I am not marking posts for derailing.

And I did mention in the topic title programming so I'll post Patrick Collin's newest Solidity course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umepbfKp5rI

Patrick Collins is probably the biggest Web3 educator at this point. He has done multiple Solidity courses (solidity is the language of Ethereum and other EVM chains), his first in a Python environment, last year was Javascript with the Hardhat libraries, and now this one with Foundry, which I believe is still javascript (haven't started it yet). If you haven't done any programming, you can code along with his videos, but you'll probably be lost as to why he implements X functionality in Y way. It's always better to have background info, but if you have to start somewhere, you can start with this and learn Javascript and other basic programming basics along the way.

IceCreamOnStero posted...

There is, but I'm not sure how compatible this market is with the "core gamer" market, which is why the mobile landscape has become its home. It may be a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy with how often gamers like to scream about "selling out to the casuals", but I think its tough for a traditional console to really strike at the casual market, especially while also retaining that core crowd. The DS and Wii came closest probably, but as my topic subject and the various criticisms lodged at Nintendo's handling of the core audience during that era, even those systems needed a lot of work in that aspect.

The reason for the "distinction" between between casuals and core gamers was because Nintendo opted to delay entering the HD development world with the Wii and left the specs weaker as a result. If the Wii were capable of receiving ports from the PS360, there wouldn't be this distinction. I'm not understanding your point about the casual market's compatibility with the core gamer market. There's wide breadth of people and interests that if you decide to make a game, you're not totally pigeoned holed into chasing after a single demographic for sales, and thus are free to make more unorthodox or laid back games as there is a proven audience for them.

And realize remnants of the Wii are still in recognizable in the Switch, with the Joycons receiving motion functionality on top of building upon the "simple controls" where you can share the joycon controls with one another. I'm sure a lot of folks have the experience of sharing joycons to play Mario Kart 8.

My main problem with calling the Wii a fad is that Nintendo has been building upon the Wii (research and R&D, the lessons learned, etc) with its subsequent successors in the failed commercial product but incredible test product in the Wii U and then the Switch (the Wii U's unanimous approval of off screen play is what gave Nintendo the go ahead for the Switch). And one of Nintendo's biggest new IPs in the past decade, Splatoon, has motion controls as a popular control scheme.

So if you're critical of the Wii not impacting the main core console gaming industry, which is why you're calling it a fad, I can understand where you're coming from. The Wii practically acted as if it were in its own hemisphere while the PS360 duked it out and this led to Nintendo trailing way behind and ignored by the majority of development studios when they released the Wii U.

The Wii demonstrated there is a massive market to in casual gamers, which since has been absorbed by the mobile gaming industry.

StealThisSheen posted...

The Wii had a very high attach rate, which, given the amount of consoles sold, is rather impressive, so this doesn't seem accurate.

Indeed, it's not accurate.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html

Nintendo reports selling over 900M units of software on the Wii.

lolife67 posted...

Not at all. She's not very cute in the face, has no body/curves other than just boobs. She's pretty plain, imo.

I disagree with the face and I feel you're heavily, heavily underselling those boobs. Jeez louise these need to reposted from Neon's OP.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/6/3/2/AAfWomAAEr9Y.jpg

https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2023/07/23/the-skys-the-limit-crypto-now-braced-for-a-multi-trillion-wall-street-earthquake -after-bitcoin-ethereum-bnb-xrp-cardano-dogecoin-litecoin-solana-tron-and-polygon-price-boom/?sh=467b0155b1b0

Heh, Chainlink is hiding in plain sight. Despite half the article detailing a discussion with the CEO Sergey Nazarov, they lowercased Chainlink, mislabeled it as a blockchain network (it's not a blockchain, it's an oracle network, a network that transmits info to and from blockchains), and omitted the ticker symbol for Chainlink despite naming XRP and ETH.

They really don't want people to know about CCIP.

Isn't she married? So you wanna be a homewrecker, eh? Does your lust for mammaries know no bounds?

It's super good for debugging but at times it'll make up commands that don't exist and will stubbornly stand by it till you copypaste the documentation to prove it wrong.

There's a glimmer of hope that it won't totally replace developers, but it damn well will contract the market. It can only get better from here.

TheMikh posted...

from my observations in the field, networks don't need to upgrade to zk blockchains for their data to be provided in a zk context. while traditional evm architecture isn't 100% zk friendly, its data is sufficiently verifiable where you can generate proofs of network contents as-is. it's just more computationally expensive, a concern which is mitigated by ongoing acceleration in hardware performance.

Wording it this way reminds me of Chainlink's DECO, though it's purely for creating black boxes for sensitive API data to be used for blockchains. But what got my attention here is that you're just proving the data, and not needing any adjustments of the infrastructure providing the data. But here's a lecture on DECO if you're interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJqZQ2_VBzo

(I saw this live, sitting all the way in the back of the room!)

Tanthalas posted...

You act like the blockchain (the good) cant exist without crypto (the scam).

To add to Mikh's articulated points (in my own less clear and more muddy wording), the blockchain field is a capitalist world. People don't do shit for free. If you want someone to act in your favor, you have to incentivize them to do so, and more importantly, make it prohibitively more expensive for them to act against your best interest.

If there is an opportunity, people will exploit it, then they'll abuse it, and if the abuse of the opportunity has negative consequences, the consequences will be ignored in the name of scoring the benefits and ultimately they make it worse for everyone else involved. Therefore you have to build guard rails to ensure those opportunities cannot be exploited or if that's not feasible, just remove those opportunities entirely at the expense of everyone.

That being said, developers are now recognizing the tangible and explicit benefits of certain socialist protocols and functions and such tooling and features are being built as a result. Chainlink started a SCALE program where blockchains have pledged to tune their networks to give Chainlink nodes either discounts on gas or make oracle zones where they limit the costs of gas considerably, if not entirely because they recognize that a blockchain with oracle functionality allows far more opportunity for development, meaning more protocols, leading to more activity and a healthier and more profitable ecosystem for all on that network. One of the Ethereum's EIPs (Ethereum Improvement Proposal) talked about making oracle transactions cheaper since they're a necessity for a healthier network since so many developers rely on it.

So yeah, the industry is starting from square one and learning the value of socialism from a capitalistic standpoint.

TheMikh posted...

not fond of gatekeeping, but the sector would be well-served by a metaregulatory apparatus, with or without state regulation. basically taking advantage of the verifiability and transparency inherent to the sector to roll out services assisting users in vetting protocols, contracts, addresses for reputability and safety. custodial services should be completely and utterly rebuked except as on/offramps and providers of liquidity towards that ends, with all facets of onchain ux being further refined towards the ends of ending reliance on custodial services. much easier said than done, but important.

Agreed. But I don't see custodial services going away until we get to the point where managing wallets is dummy proof. Well, that's the goal for smart contract wallets I hear.

it seems unlikely that zk chains will be spearheading crosschain since the zkevm is a challenge they've been consumed by for a couple years at this point, but there's a burgeoning subsector of expressive zk communications and data protocols that seem posed to nibble on the oracle market share. if chainlink/ccip consumes less gas relative to traditional communications protocols, zk eliminates that gas completely - or at least sends it offchain to the end user or whoever's generating the proof of computation or data.

To my knowledge CCIP doesn't consume less gas (I suppose not directly directly), it purely allows you to program transactions you want on each blockchain. So the gas reduction would come from you utilizing a low gas costing blockchain for the bulk of your transactions.

But the examples you give definitely prove to be a competitor to CCIP. What I do see as an obstacle in stealing marketshare from Chainlink is Chainlink currently having a strong network effect where they already have tools integrated in everyone's tech stacks already. In addition, banks have their own private blockchains they use that are gas free since they control the network, the nodes and know and permit who's making the transactions on there. They would need a reason to upgrade their private blockchains to ZK chains.

I'm not too arrogant to ignore the threat of ZK chains, it is something to pay attention to in the future.

whitelytning posted...

TC, isnt DOT a bridge that was supposed to allow different chains to communicate? What does this announcement mean for that?

Polkadot honestly is way overengineered. You have parachains and a relay chain, and have to auction chains, and there is the Kusama network and the Polkadot network overall and in the end, everyone is busy working on the chain the creator of Polkadot originally created, Ethereum and its EVM counterparts. I don't understand the chain at all. The thing is, the impression I got from the Polkadot's interoperability functionality is that it's limited to within the Polkadot network. I do recall hearing about some develop work to connect to Ethereum, but that's Polkadot to Ethereum. Not Ethereum to some other chain using Polkadot as an interface.

But since Chainlink announced CCIP from back in 2021, I've seen people clowning on Polkadot with CCIP for doing what Polkadot intended to solve.

Doom_Art posted...

Also, it's very telling that in almost no cases is the goal ever to "stay" in crypto. The goal is to buy it "low" then when the value gets high enough, trade it for real currency.

Refer to my post #34. People who understand the value of smart contracts get the end goal of crypto and stay in crypto because they want to usher in the next evolution of the internet. People who don't understand this (virtually 80% of the participants) are just in it for the profits.

If you want to truly understand the point of this industry and why it has persisted for over a decade you have to understand the value of a smart contract. Read #34 over and/or watch that video I posted.

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

"Impact the world" is a nice euphemism for "make the world a s***tier place". Anyone dealing in cryptocurrency should be locked up.

The biggest innovation of blockchains is smart contracts. If you understand the value of a smart contract, then you'll recognize it's the next evolution of the internet. This is why this field has persisted for over a decade and why so many major tech companies and banks are actively researching and developing in the field.

Now I'll give you this link on the purpose of smart contracts an Web3 but I'll give my own explanation below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JeRq7Gwj5Y

First and foremost, have you ever been in a deal with someone; where one of you (A) would do X and in return the other (B) would do Y? Have you ever been in a deal where A did X, but B didn't reciprocate in doing the agreed upon Y? This happens quite often as a fact of life. But the world has adopted many systems to limit this from happening; from being able to take someone to court for evading payments (A contractor does X work for B client, but B client doesn't make Y payment), to having some 3rd party facilitate a trade by holding an escrow for A and B participants to give to so the contents of the escrow can be divvied out to whoever on certain conditions.

Seriously, go back and make sure you have a story you can relate to on this because "trust", the reduction of this, is the main driver of this field.

Now for the definition, smartcontracts are purely applications on the blockchain, but what makes them so powerful is that they're immutable (unable to be changed once executed on the chain) and they act accordingly, IF X, then Y. If some X event happens, then Y action happens.

Because of these basic properties, developers are in a mad rush to recreate any and every financial tool, and major website with these properties. Some are in it to make the world a fairer place. Others, admittedly are only in it for EZ profits and have no conscience in achieving it. Celsius Network's Mashinsky and FTX's SBF are clear examples of this and also evidence of why this industry needs to gatekeep more to ensure people who have noble and genuine intentions are supported while those who are clearly in it for their own selfish gain are pushed out.

TheMikh posted...

about to take a nap, will check out the talk later

how does chainlink contend with zero knowledge cross-chain communications protocols

I did hear about later down the road ZK L2 chains being interoperable with other ZK chains, in some Bankless podcast with ZKsync developers. As it stands right now, not to my knowledge.

But Chainlink has a ZK function coming up, DECO, but this is only to allow sensitive data to be used on the blockchain without revealing it. "Is this girl above the age of 18?", a age limiter on some new age dating app. DECO can use a passport or some other piece of data to demonstrate her identity to answer the question but ensure the item used isn't revealed to the chainlink node operator or the network at large. Basically simple Zero Knowledge proof functionality.

But when the ZK chains gain the cross chain communication functionality, they'll definitely be a competitor to Chainlink. I'd imagine Chainlink's dominance at that point will be determined by the strength of the network effect (Chainlink has found itself in everyone's tech stack already and cross chain solutions out presently get ignored as everyone was waiting on Chainlink's cross chain solution) and whether ZK chains will offer more meaningful functionality that can't be replicated and will make it more profitable to transition.

I'm not too familiar with the ZK world, so I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Kimberly posted...

Better minds than you or I have done this. Monetary reparations usually end up playing some part of their suggestions.

Better minds are never in a position to have their ideas turn into governmental actions. There are far cheaper, more sustainable, and far more respectable ways than monetary reparations to close the gap.

lolife67 posted...

You know exactly what I mean by owed and there's absolutely no point in going back and forth about this. You've heard all the reasons before and, clearly, still feel as you do.

No, I do not know what you mean by owed. I'm trying to understand your sentiment. And if you're not looking to persuade others to support you, how exactly do you intend to garner support? By strong arming people?

lolife67 posted...

Because it's owed, period. And it shouldn't be a monetary repayment. It should be in the form of something like free education, land grants and/or tax breaks, etc.

What do you mean by owed?

Realize it's a fundamental disagreement here; my ancestors were slaves but I say their slave masters owe me nothing. I benefit heavily from the sacrifices they along with everyone else made to make the country what it is today. I live in a country with the most dominant currency that I took advantage of for my own financial gain. I live in a country with some of the highest tier of education that I took advantage of for my benefit. In addition, my own education was granted to me from a (now defunct) supreme court ruling that gave me an advantage to have a higher probability of accessing high tier education compared to my higher achieving peers of other ethnicities. I don't feel owed by this country at all; in fact I feel as I owe and have to pay it forward.

So I reiterate, what do you mean by owed. And what do you intend to accomplish through the reparations?

If it's a symbolic gesture, then I am more open to the idea. If you're looking to close the economic gap between different populations in the US, I'd argue to explore different avenues first before going to such a divisive suggestion.

Are you guys supporting reparations as a symbolic gesture from history's abuses? Or you guys want the money? I'm not in favor of reparations but I am curious to hear why so many people support reparations.

shockthemonkey posted...

Hows that fight against Wayfair going?

who

You're not going to impact the world if you don't have a healthy dose of crazy in you.

https://www.theblock.co/post/240714/chainlink-ceo-wants-to-bring-trillions-of-dollars-into-crypto-from-banks

Based on Chainlinks work dealing with Swift and banks, Nazarov explained why he thinks banks will build their own blockchains.

Nazarov claimed there are three stages of bank adoption. Stage 1 focuses on custody, and entails simply looking after crypto assets (driven by customer trading demands) on their native chains. Stage 2 encompasses tokenizing real-world assets, in a similar way to making derivative assets, which raises the question: onto which chain will these assets be placed? Nazarov contended that this juncture is when banks recognize the need to establish their own chains to exert full control over their tokenized real-world assets.

Pointing to banks that have set up their own digital asset departments, Nazarov observed, And what all of those departments are coming to as a conclusion is we have to have our own app chain because why am I going to pay fees to some other one, some other persons chain? Ill just have my own chain. He argued that this is when banks realize they should create their own chains to have complete control over their own tokenized real-world assets.

Stage 3 emerges when banks start the development of financial protocols on their proprietary chains, essentially mirroring the contemporary DeFi landscape but within a tighter, regulated framework. This is where Nazarov reckons Chainlink will come in.

In that third stage, they're invariably going to be dealing with us because we power the vast majority of DeFi. They're going to need market data, they're gonna need identity data, they're gonna need automation, they're going to need functions. All the stuff we make, they're going to need, he said. I know that because I've already seen a lot of the designs, and the designs are basically copying the DeFi [protocols] we already power.

As mentioned before, SWIFT and a number of banks like Bank of America are already on board and doing their internal testing.

MarthGoomba posted...

Nobody wants to use Ethereum itself because of the absurd transaction fees

No company or bank will use actual Ethereum because it would bankrupt them in a week. They are adopting better versions from ALGO and HBAR, not Ethereum.

You're right that they're not using Ethereum itself. Banks are using blockchains that are EVM (they take the base code of Ethereum and create their own version with their own adjustments) or they use IBM's hyperledger or some other private chain. And even in the future, banks and retail users will use a Layer 2 chain that settles on Ethereum. L2 chains are blockchains that derive their security from a Layer 1 chain (L2s like Optimism, Coinbase's Base, or Arbitrum) and settle their transasctions on a Layer 1 chain (L1 being Ethereum).

I haven't heard of people using Hedera or Algorand. Those two are public blockchains and the development support for them is incredibly poor. The last time I saw Hedera at a Chainlink event was back in 2020 or so. I don't know what's going on with them honestly. But given how Chainlink is practically carrying the industry with their tools, if we're not seeing Chainlink support for Hedera hashgraph, then there's a problem.

ooger posted...

It is very informative. Please let me know your thoughts.

I got a good chortle out of it. Thank you. LMAO at the ending.

Euripides posted...

Does crypto still require enough electricity to power small nations?

Bitcoin does, Ethereum transitioned to a proof of stake consensus model (instead of running a farm of GPUs to compute some algorithm, just hold X amount of ETH) so it's far cheaper. Most blockchains run a proof of stake model as it's considerably cheaper to manage. Plus the environmental complaints is bad for marketing.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Blockchain technology isn't a scam but the majority of people have no idea what crypto does or how it works. As for ETH I'd rather invest in xrp it does the same thing but with clean energy.

It does not. Ripple's blockchain is not a smartcontract blockchain, the smart contract support is extremely limited. In addition, the majority of developer tools and support are on Ethereum. If you want to build something of value, you're better off working on Ethereum or some Ethereum virtual machine blockchain (a fork of Ethereum with their own bells and whistles like Fantom, or Polygon or Binance).

Investing wise, I only believe in Link but if you're looking for a new project, I heavily recommend looking for a protocol you plan to use that utilizes a blockchain, not investing in a blockchain coin itself (Ex. investing in a dapp like Aave, not ETH itself).

EndOfDiscOne posted...

I logged on this morning and was surprised by the sudden LINK pump

Same. I have been planning to make this topic for a while but procrastinated. The combination of CCIP release and the pump spooked me into making the topic.

MarthGoomba posted...

Ethereum is a joke

Literally one of the worst pieces of "technology" that morons have ever come up with

If people had brains the value would quickly plummet to $0

Too late. Even banks are "adopting" it. And by adopting, I mean copying it and running their own private version of it. People who use it recognize the value of having a ledger everyone can refer to to prove the state of some transaction.

TMOG posted...

When does Bigfoot take the stage

Next year, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1fR6hZ8Bgg

CEO of Chainlink is speaking right now regarding CCIP and the industry at large.

ooger posted...

This video does a great job of showing why NFTs are the next big thing.

https://youtu.be/1WjczD5Q5VU

Will look into this after the speech.

The Ethereum Community Conference is currently ongoing this week in Paris and the biggest announcement is Chainlink's bridging protocol has been announced and is available for testnet usage for all developers today; Cross Chain Interoperability Protocol or CCIP.

A bridge connects blockchains together to allow them to communicate to one another. But for general solutions right now, they only allow transferring of tokens. Chainlink's CCIP will allow you to send commands and other arbitrary information in addition to token transferring. The end goal is in CCIP merging ALL blockchains together using the Chainlink network as an interface so you don't need to pay attention to what blockchain you're on if you're a user. If you're a developer, you can pick and choose what blockchains to use for your application and have your application run on all blockchains seamlessly as opposed to today where an application deployed on one chain is isolated from the same application deployed on another.

Developing secure bridges is massive challenge in this space. Last year, there was some 2 billion dollars worth of bridge hacks and then there was a hack for at least $126M just a couple weeks ago for another bridge hack.

This past Monday, Chainlink just announced their release date for CCIP with the goal of becoming the internet of blockchains similar to the TCP/IP protocol for the internet standard we have now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTOfANfvwUg

What makes this solution different from the other bridging solutions existing in the space (Hyperlane, Connext to name a couple), is that Chainlink built up a track record of highly secure services with their data feeds
so big name crypto protocols like Synthetix and Aave and Ethereum Name Service are waiting on Chainlink for their solution and aren't going to risk integrating those unproven bridging solutions. More importantly (and nefariously), Chainlink has been in cahoots with SWIFT and is working on a pilot project with multiple banks like Citi and BNY Mellon to bridge each of those banks private blockchains together.

https://www.swift.com/news-events/news/swift-explores-blockchain-interoperability-remove-friction-tokenised-asset-settlement

The biggest deal of CCIP is that Chainlink is stealing everyone else's gas money. If your invested coin's value depends on buy pressure from people purchase the coin to pay for gas (how ETH took off in 2020 for the DeFi explosion of shitcoin casinos, people bought ETH to pay for transactions to farm), CCIP abstracts that away. You would pay for the service with Link tokens instead of paying with the coin of the blockchain you're using. You can pay using another asset, but you'll get hit with a 10% premium upcharge and the network will convert it to Link tokens anyway.

This release is magnitudes bigger than ETH 2.0's release and it's a shame a lot of people aren't talking about it. So I might as well let you boys here know about it.

SAO is cancer for popularizing isekai. It has been a decade later since the height of its popularity and we STILL haven't recovered. Who keeps greenlighting these stories to be serialized? TELL THOSE AUTHORS TO GO PICK UP A BOOK AND SEND THEIR LAZY ASSES BACK HOME.