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codey posted...

True I haven't seen the final season yet but that was very much a "fuck the government, they're getting us killed and lying to us" show

the final season straight up has one of its main plots be about how nationalism causes people to dehumanize others and the cycle of hatred it can bring about

Ivynn posted...

Isn't Attack on Titan made by a Japanese conservative? I thought I heard some controversy about that.

IDK about where Isayama fits (plus japanese politics probably have a different line anyway), but the controversy was stupid. IIRC it was painting AoT as some nationalistic fantasy when it's one of the most anti-nationalist series I've ever seen

Out of the topic title

Flintstones: Kinda legacy, hanging on but not huge
Jetsons: Yeah dead in the water
Popeye: Its influence stays but yeah not that relevant

If it makes it any better IIRC Sanji didn't kick anyone at Kamabakka Kingdom (at least in the manga), so he does at least recognize them as women

CompatibleGreet posted...

I'm pretty sure there's a movie that sums up alabasta that you can watch if you want to get into that arc and I think the chopper arc too.

Yeah the anime is bad from the jump and also fillers mainly because it got too close to the books. I know the game sums them up quickly as well but certain games skip arcs like skypiea (pirate warriors 3 did this I think)

the movies aren't a good idea, they're rushed versions of the arc (and unlike the LA they don't have enough of their own thing to make up for it). Plus the chopper one for some reason is in a weird AU where they only went there after Enies Lobby and thus Vivi isn't there but Robin and Franky are

Ricemills posted...

yOu CAn sKIp iT my ass

Those who waited weekly on air didn't have such privilege.

Haruhi got a major flak because they aired 8 episode with 95% same content. Sure, the DVD watcher can skip it but those who waited weekly definitely has the right to be annoyed.

Fair yeah, but on the long term it's better to have filler than to make the actual stuff you want to see worse

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Marvel set the stage with Captain America Winter Soldier, its possible to have a good movie with a Boy Scout as the protagonist. Just need to see how James Gunn adapts it into his universe, hes said a lot of good things about Allstar Superman and other premiere Supes stories, I think he gets it.

The best scene of all time is when Lex finally gets the upper hand on All Star Supes and has all his powers hes like I told you! Im the best, I am the only one who can save humanity! And supes just responds Lex, you had the power to save humanity 20 years ago and you did nothing with it, its a shame

My Adventures With Superman is a great reconstruction of his boy scout-ness too. I love how a big part of the latter half of s1 is multiple people fearing he's going to go edgy evil superman (including Lois-es from other universes) while he's legitimately just trying to help, and even through all the doubts he still does the right thing through the support of his loved ones. It's a simple story, but it's just nice to have an optimistic Superman again

Hayame_Zero posted...

Yeah, I think the long recaps are fine instead of having mid-episode flashbacks. Skipping those, the intro, and the next episode preview/outro just means I can get through the show quicker.

ep 1071 (aka the episode everyone was hyping) is a big example where I would've rather had a long recap instead of the episode's pacing screeching to a halt multiple times due to reused animation/flashbacks (it would've still screeched to a halt in one scene due to the manga, but that's on Oda)

Tbh I'd take those long recaps and stuff over making actual scenes worse or padding with flashbacks

Ricemills posted...

It was noticably bad at Enies Lobby arc.
When they rescued Robin they give a filler episode for each members of the strawhats to give a flashback about them and Robin.

yeah but you can just skip those, that's not really an issue. The issue is once they start dragging out actual scenes

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I don't think DBZ is the greatest anime of all time, either, but I know it's better than OG dragon ball.

the Saiyan->Ginyu stretch is the best part of the DB/Z run, but the rest of Namek drags and Cell/Buu are just everyone making the dumbest decisions to keep the plot going

it's worth it, but don't be afraid to take your time with it

FMAB is also great and pretty short at that, and FMA 03 is good on its own right even if divisive

NeonTentacles posted...

I never watched it but judging from this, it seems really bad >_>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1z6umwBs5I

yeah post skip the pacing goes down the drain, even if Wano is relatively better aside from standout examples like the one in the video

either way, everything up to Enies Lobby (about ep 315) is fine to just watch in the regular anime, and even Thriller Bark->Marineford aren't that much of an issue

DeadBankerDream posted...

I imagine a lot more people engage with the Disney+ Star Wars shows and side movies than any of the expanded content for the prequels.

most of it is either its own thing or around the prequel era though, even the ones between 6 and 7 are more of its own era than being in the sequel era

JKwaffle posted...

Did they just completely forget they already had a dragon earlier? Like, I know it was in a filler arc but even still.

Good ole canon-filler contradiction issues

Hopefully the gacha shit is ignorable, since I really like the look of the game

Wedge_Antilles posted...

Oh boy, more FF7 stuff. Wish Square would remember they have other Final Fantasy games.

There are rumours about X-III

the thing about Z Goku is that, he is stupid, but he has gotten more aware of life, and he does feel like he fully understands the gravity of situations for the most part even when he takes bad decisions (the Cell senzu bean being something that I just can't defend tho, that was his worst moment in the original run)

BabyDahl posted...

Okay, I'm getting tired of this line lol. Goku had nothing to do with the terms of the tournament. None of that falls on him. That was explicitly suggested and commanded by Zeno and Future Zeno.

The Tournament of Destroyers was held between universes 6 and 7, with Beerus winning the super dragon balls and wishing for universe 6's earth to be restored. Zeno is impressed and wants to hold a bigger tournament.

Then the Future Trunks/Goku Black/Zamasu saga occurred and Future Zeno got introduced to normal Zeno. Goku reminded them of the tournament and they decided to hold an exhibition between universes 7 and 9, as well as a battle royale match between the gods of destruction.

It was here that the Tournament of Power was announced with the terms already set in stone because Zeno was planning on destroying the weaker universes anyway (which turned out to be more about what the winning universe would do with their wish than Zeno being an uncaring god). Everyone blamed Goku because he reminded them of the tournament, not because he (or anyone for that matter) expected the Zenos to put the existence of entire universes on the line.

It's like people who comment on the events in everything dragon ball related only watched the abridged versions.

But yes, Goku is stupid. He barely made it into the Tournament of Destroyers because Vegeta suggested a written exam to prevent low-intellect competitors from entering and Goku barely passed with a score of 50%.

I think the thing is, while he didn't know what was going to happen, he was warned time and time again that going to Zeno could be extremely dangerous. Beerus even threatens to erase him over it. It all working out eventually was a happy coincidence, but still. Though tbh I do think the ToP's story could've been stronger if it tried to deconstruct Goku's fight obsession instead of giving him the "he gave all of you a fighting chance" excuse

omniryu posted...

I think they will go up to Marine Ford.

What would be a better way to end Season 2 then Luffy at his lowest?

How the hell would they make that work

Cemith posted...

Not really. If anyone has seen the end of TLA Book 1, Aang becomes a giant ass Kaiju water spirit and fuckin reams the Fire Nation fleet. This is basically just that but with beams instead of water.

If I told you Goku became a Super Saiyan without telling you the context about Frieza, it's still a god damn spoiler.

Wouldn't it be more like saying Goku became blond?

foxhound101 posted...

Season 1 of Korra was actually pretty good. Although the villain was so bad-ass that it was a surprise she was able to win.

S1's big issue was the love triangle tbh, that aside it was really solid. Though Amon really felt like a series-long villain than a single-season one

Mr_Karate_II posted...

The CGI wasn't fine LOL, it was bad.

From the trailer for this it does look like there was some practical effects for the megazord or it was really good CGI but in other areas the CGI looks bad like the morphing sequence.

wonder how much of that is Hasbro CGI vs Toei CGI, since the megazords are all Sentai footage AFAIK

one thing that surprised me was just how heartbroken Buggy seemed when talking about Shanks. MANGA-ONLY SPOILERS it hits different after knowing that Buggy legitimately wanted to help Shanks become pirate king but he refused to go for the One Piece

UnfairRepresent posted...

I like how everytime an anime makes a man do something cool or get a new form, nerds get turbo excited.

On the rare occasion an anime makes a woman do something cool or get a new form "it jumped the shark" "This is horrible" "What where they thinking?" without fail

So we just get things like Bulma and Sakura standing in the background for entire arcs.

I mean it's not like her uncle doing it was any better, there's a reason both people who love or hate Korra say s2 sucks

St0rmFury posted...

Yeah, season 2 was the weakest of all 4 (except the Wan part).

Tbh even the Wan part felt like a huge retcon and made it too Good vs Evil instead of balance

Tbh We Don't Talk About Bruno doesn't count. The people who sang it weren't villains and he wasn't either. Like, he's not even an antagonist.

Either way, another mention
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r-PYYaoq0fY&pp=ygUWcmVhZHkgYXMgaSdsbCBldmVyIGJlIA%3D%3D

Zikten posted...

Do they have that fat lady that Luffy fought in the first episode of the anime?

yes

Hayame_Zero posted...

Yeah, Season 2 would be able to cover Drum Island and Alabasta easily.

Drum Island is about as long as Arlong Park and Alabasta is like double that though, and they'd still need to cover Reverse Mountain-Little Garden. We'd need like 12 or so episodes

CommonStar posted...

Speaking of Koby, I liked the decision to have Koby clean up Alvida's kill at the beginning of the episode.

though didn't like that he didn't have his big moment insulting her. At least going by ep 1 it seemed they downplayed him quite a bit

PowerOats posted...

Vergil?

Leon Kennedy to Chris and Jill?

Todoroki?

Todoroki's rivalry with Deku kinda ended right at the festival tho, Bakugo does get a lot of focus, but he is kinda in the Vegeta phase where it's obvious Deku has far surpassed him by now

s0nicfan posted...

Killua from HxH?

Killua's not really a rival, he's the best friend. Not mutually exclusive but he and Gon don't really straight up compete against each other.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

The movie is worth watching, since Frieza becomes a significant character again later in the series.

it's "important" but tbh it's just terrible

DarthDemented posted...

I agree with the others. Watch battle of gods and resurrection f then pick up the series with the universe 6 arc.

and tbh even Resurrection F is kinda skippable, and it sucks anyways, easily the worst of the new movies, which are otherwise the bright spot of modern DB

Ricemills posted...

Did DB Super even passed the end of DBZ timeline?

No but the new movie did finally age them up, since we're moving close to that point

Gobstoppers12 posted...

I just...legitimately do not understand this narrative. So many people say that "GT was full of good ideas," but which ideas are those, exactly? "Let's have Vegeta get taken over by an evil entity and fight Goku"

Like bruh didn't we literally just see that happen in the Buu Saga? How is that a good idea? It's a rehashed idea at best.

I mean
"Universal dragon ball hunt"
"Villain that wants payback against the saiyans due to their genocidal ways"
"New Super Saiyan transformation that mixes in the Oozaru"
"Overuse of the Dragon Balls bite main cast in the ass"

cuttin_in_farm posted...

I always love an antagonist that is born from the protagonist being overly idealistic and ignoring the grievances of others.

Its what the character in that clip sounds like. Actually looks interesting.

yeah seems like a running theme with antagonists in this series (basically, she didn't help him due to other priorities)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmMWCq8G_00

ChocoboMog123 posted...

I agree with Kenshin, but look at really how much Goku grew between killing an entire army and Letting Frieza live.
He had a kid and grandkids.
He became the strongest person on Earth, by far, and knows it.
He no longer needs to use max power to solve small issues.
He's made friends with enemies.
He's spent a huge amount of time just meditating, between Kami, King Kai, and other training he's done.

Even at the start of DBZ, Goku is not the brash little kid he used to be. He's also no longer just a Son Wukong ripoff, but entirely his own thing.

though then again Freeza did try to kill him for that, and then Goku was trying to get Gohan to kill Cell, and did kill Buu

Luffy is a weird case, where Oda explained it once as him preferring to crush their dreams, but really it feels more like once he's done what he set out to do, he doesn't really care about the villain anymore, and doesn't care if his final attack didn't or did kill them like, he didn't set out to kill Kaido, but that guy's probably dead

ellis123 posted...

That wasn't people straight out of collage.

That was Toei's, arguably #1, animation lead Naoki Tate: https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Naoki_Tate

They just rushed the crap out of the whole affair and the product shows.

his scene that episode was actually pretty good tbh
https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/48543

either way:
GT sucked and was visually very boring, but I'll give it credit for actually moving forward in time and trying(?) to give the franchise an ending
Super sucks and had poor visuals early on that got better, and it actually brought on some hype, but at the end of the day it really feels like reanimating a corpse

I think I "prefer" Super overall but.......yeah no point in really debating which is better when both are bad

ellis123 posted...

?

Is that somehow supposed to show that what I said wasn't true? Or are you pointing out that even trash, throwaway moments like that in GT have better animation than Super and thus it is pretty flagrant in just how much better it is?

I shit on Super a lot but c'mon GT's animation is far worse, Super legit has some of the peaks of the franchise in animation, and the latter half actually looks pretty consistently good for a weekly show

DarkBuster22904 posted...

He did not.

He got less pudgy and his limbs got better defined, to help the fights look better. But that's it.

Fun fact, the whole reason Toriyama aged him to an adult at all was for this same reason: if he was going to keep drawing better and better fights, he needed his protagonist to have adult sized limbs to work with.

wasn't there a scene in the 22nd budokai where they actually say he's gotten taller?

Turbam posted...

What's actually pretty funny is that Elsa was supposed to be the antagonist of the story. Let it Go was written as a villain song. The song was too uplifting and inspiring for an antagonist, but was also too good to get rid of, so they made Elsa a hero instead.

Speaking of, Crossing the Line from Tangled the Series is basically angry Let it Go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaHBg8E1o00&pp=ygURY3Jvc3NpbmcgdGhlIGxpbmU%3D

it's up there ngl. There's also

Believe me, I know
I've sunk pretty low
but whatever I've done you've deserved

(ok it's a show and not a movie but still)

Seaman_Prime posted...

Are they still shipping him with April? Call me a specist but that aint right.

AFAIK no, but I think they're shipping someone else with her, I think Leo?

Yeah that's a common sentiment. Next arc isn't too popular either but it has some cool stuff. The arc afterwards is great but it's also the arc where the anime is at its absolute lowest, sure maybe not as many low points pacing-wise as Wano but the animation is legit terrible

cuttin_in_farm posted...

Often times whats sad about topics like these is that people like Peterson wont be given any credit for the good hes done because of how far hes fallen.

Peterson should have stayed in his lane, but now his helpful advice will forever be besmirched because hes talking like a complete Crash Bandicoot villain in chairs.

From what I know of him, I feel he legit actually wanted to help people at first with stuff like 12 rules, but eventually fell too hard on the grift

dameon_reaper posted...

As I'm playing proud mode on KH and just finished going against the Tiger Head in Agrabah and I've had a bad time, I might have to pass. Then again, the only reason I'm having issues is because of Donald and Goofy...and trying to drain that thing's HP when its teeth are in the sand and trying to stay on after to sorta cheese it. Bad targeting too...and all that's changed is giving them some healing items which they abuse in 3 minutes...but enough to finish the fight.

that's on 1, this is about 2. 1's combat is nowhere near as good as 2's tbh (or even 3's)

creativeme posted...

you're about where i gave up on the show. i finally tried watching it a couple years ago and quit somewhere around 70 episodes in.

the animation sucked and guess it's like 800 episodes till it gets to the good current style. show just takes way too freaking long and too far in between interesting parts. even the interesting parts i watched haven't been that great and it's like if i have another 1000 episodes of what i been watching i'm just not getting through it.

honestly kinda reminds me of the pokemon anime. i restarted it and just have it on in the background on season 4. then i watched most of the new one journeys trying to see the end of ash's story. but yea so much of the anime is just irrelevant since each episode is it's own thing. even the gym battles the first few seasons are only a few that are good and most just have team rocket interfere and then the gym leader gives ash the badge anyways. but the tournaments are where pokemon shine. so think that's similar to one piece where you're going like 30-100 episodes between good arcs and then just kinda feel like filler the rest of the time even tho i know it's all canon. both really could use a remake/kai version and just cut out even a lot of the canon stuff that really doesn't matter to the story. shrink the anime from over 1k episodes and cut it down to 50-75% or something.

the thing about OP is that everything is connected, so aside from cutting out padding like staredowns or flashbacks (or admittedly some redundant running around scenes), most things do end up mattering in one way or another to the plot or characters. It's not like the pokemon anime where it soft resets after every region and it's mostly episodic