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Its Mylo, we have had a mass. Rolefishing no longer means anything conceptually.

Corrik I dont suppose your other role complements his other role.
I feel like that is at least info that we need to know.

(I know I keep saying role instead of traits but: meh, effort)

I think if Brohan is scum, he would be too hesitant to vote first since it would make the day all about him VS Wallz, and Wallz has a lot more going for him.

Corrik7 posted...

If brohan is town I mean obviously. Wallz is scum.

You did confuse me there a second. Made me check if I missed an unvote from Wallz somewhere.

Heard that one before.

Meanwhile if Brohan is scum your hances of scum go up as well.
(yes I say this knowing that I switched to Sultan as well, and Sultan was not a bad choice to lynch in the end. But I know what I am)

Hrm. Thats a plausible reason.
Though you cut it kinda close there.

So what did you learn then about the trains?

Anyway a pattern so far seems to be that IGCD is treated as a nultell by a lot of players, and that Ashe inevitably leaves everyone's attention span.

BCT didnt get to do much day2 and felt demotivated already day3.
When asked who he would gladiate, he would pick Brohan and Dumey. He made Brohan his vote target for the early hours and again later during day3.
(In between those moments he voted Dumey because he knew Dumey hadnt moved night2.)
BCT admitted that a Brohan lynch wouldnt tell him much, but he voted Brohan anyway and kept a target on him day4, continuously saying his nonpresence was scummy.
Only during the end of day4 does he start to worry that the Brohan lynch is too easy. He unvoted Brohan but didnt vote anyone else.

He called JC or Sultan probable scum but didnt understand why scumJC would use his power the way he did.
He disliked Corrik and Red day4 and suspected that Corrik didnt want people to look at reasons for Changmas' death. (He seemed adamant about Changmas dying for a reason)
He was suspicious of Ashe for having two ninja traits instead of just one.

Day4 was also when he countered Wallz with his own roleblocker trait. Which I went over above.

The only question I have here is, did you have a vote in mind for the end of day4, BCT? I am surprised you didnt go back to Wallz.

Then the Corrik ISO
Corrik was rather inactive day1, but improved a bit day2. Still have less to say about him than Wallz. (good or bad)

Corrik voted Ashe first thing day1 and disappeared later during day1 leaving his vote on Ashe.
Day2 he ultimately went back to Ashe because Ashe still had not done anything then.
And when Ashe changed his claim day3 he did not like that either.
Of course then day4 he shifted everything around due to Dumey's info. And like I said it could be in character for him, but I dont agree that Ashe is proven town.

Commented on Brohan not being himself but liked his response and called him town later on day2
Asked Red some minor questions here and there, seemed to have missed his miller claim as well. He also believed IGCd was acting like his usual self.
Day1 he didnt like Wallz and put Wallz into his PoE day3.

Day 3 he wanted to lynch JC first because of 3p fear.
Day 4 he also thought Sultan was flagging to scum, but voted Brohan first. Then he said he wouldnt mind either lynch. So his vote change is not entirely unexpected.
But I will nevertheless ask: Corrik, why vote Brohan if you were worried that Sultan was planning to betray us?

And before I post more I want to note separately that I would find it unusual for a scumBCT to admit that he knows Dumey didnt move night2, which already locks him into having to make either a motion detector type trait, or a roleblocker type trait. I would find it even more unsusual for him to try to counterclaim Wallz if he wasnt actually a town roleblocker.

Putting the Wallz ISO up first since he posted more recently.

Wallz called a sbell townread day1, disliked sbell day2 enough to accidentilly lock his vote on him, but then started liking him again at the end of day4.
Wallz was also wary of Sultan but couldnt put a solid read together on him.
The Sultan outburst changed his mind (he says as much later on day2) because he said he protected him night1. The scan choice here at least fits
Of course he soured on Sultan later but so did everyone else.

Still a question. Wallz did you have any other players in mind for night1? I believe you said Corrik was on your mind, but anyone else?

He Called IGCDs activity a nultell on day1. And asked Red to contribute more here and there on day2 and day4

When asked about Ashe he said that he found him lackluster but was not ready to commit to his lynch yet on day2. That changed day3 when Ashe changed his claim.
He also Hated the JC claim at first, day2 and the start of day3. But he seemed to warm up to him a little as time progressed and eventually sided with the Ashe voters because he liked Sultan and Corrik less on the JC train.

However he switched to Corrik when that chance arrived. Sultan/Corrik/red/Ashethan was his scumteam of day3 so this is not too weird. But could be interesting down the line.
Day4 he went right back to voting Corrik because JC and Changmas flipped town in the mean time. He doubted Corriks claim and wanted him lynched. I dont think he mentioned Ashe since tho.

But then all that claim stuff happened, which I can only digest more once I get to BCT

So two more questions.
Wallz did your opinion on Ashe change since day4? And also Why did you vote Brohan over Sultan at the end of day4?

Corrik7 posted...

So you are saying Ashe as scum went to someone else but just for giggles lied and said he went to the poisoned person? What's the point? Did he know someone was gonna get this scan on FD to confirm he was a ninja and then the other scum being on him would absolve him?

That's so convoluted. The easiest answer is usually the right answer.

Also it took me a bit to find the post where Corriks argument for Ashe being town made the most sense.
Not enough to fully convince me, mind you. But I could see how it might convince Corrik.

But this is not FFX Mafia

Sbell not everything I say is about you!
Heck you at least posted recently.

Why am I getting a vibe that scum is just waiting on the sidelines for any townplayer to make a post they can exploit.

Plus I cant exactly pin down if it was a bad or good choice since I dont know what Corrik is yet.
(and Corrik needed 1 more vote to be lynched at that time anyway)

IfGodCouldDie posted...

He kept saying JC was scum and I read back on a few things and it seemed plausible in the moment.

I know you said you were going with the flow. But I feel you could have at least said this part when you started day4.

Tho since we all thought JC was independent, I will grant you that Sultan being scum wouldnt make a difference for the votetrain with Sultans vote on it.

I get maybe forgetting who replaced who, but thats not this

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Chang replaced Crescent, right? And they are still alive?

Uh no Chang died dude.

1. Well thats unfortunate. I could have been more direct, But at the same time I am pretty sure someone did tell you that I did have a vote down on Ashe.
2. Influenced how?

It also feels too quiet
I know its a sunday so maybe that cant be helped
But still

Just getting the Lea ISO out there first, so I have less to ctrl+f.

Lea listed Death, IGCD, Sbell and Ulti as town early.
She disliked FD's vibe but did like him later pushing Crescent and joined in.
Then she got sick, improved a bit and called Brohan probable scum because he seemed to have trouble putting posts together.
This does remind me of her decent point that Brohan was making a playstyle read on her despite them not having played together for 7 years. (what happened after doesnt need to be mentioned again tho). But I will have to focus on that when I get to the Brohan ISO.

Lea moved on to Ben anyway, for his 'stuttered content'. But changed her vote to Dumey because Ben showed her that his content was not as stuttered as she claimed.
And near the end of the day she moved on to Ashe because he was wasting time talking about logic puzzles. Nothing useful data-wise yet, but the interactions with Brohan and Ashe should be made note of.

That should have said 'expected' as in I expected Corrik to claim half nilla
I will refrain from guessing further, but I dont see it being useful to hold it back on a Mylo day.
If he wants to sametime with Red that could work tho I guess.

IGCD day1 was gone for periods of time and gone for all of day2, which left him reportedly demotivated.
He did admit to being distracted by Marvel Snap, but it doesnt change that I wish he had more posts to analyze. At least IGCD pursued Sultan from day 1 til day4 and that seemed to be the one player he kept track of. While Sultan was in fact not town, he was also not scum so I cant give IGCd too much towncredit for this. Gameplay credit more like. Still, I appreciate the consistency.

Other bits and bobs. Voted Ashe day1 to help Lea but had no opinion on she himself. Then he dropped the vote to pursue Crescent (whom he suspected a little bit) and Ulti. Day3 he accused Changmas of being scum but didnt feel like voting him would catch on at that time.

As I said before Red was the only player interested in IGCDs Sultan push
Though he called it a gambit of IGCD the next day. This may be when Red decided that IGCD was town ...or he tried to pocket him. Its hard to tell because Red did little else with it.

Already said what I wanted to about Red before, and I didnt find much new with a second more thorough look. He did not vote Ulti or Ashe and said he didnt like either lynch day2. But he was not around enough to tell that at the time.

Well you have protection powers on both nights and at least BCT said he did not. At this point I just expect Corrik to claim he has no powers on even nights tbh.

I think I should just ISO everyone in that blockade block next. As good as I have felt about BCT, it would be dumb for me to ignore him.

Oh and as for the Red/IGCD ISO, I didnt get much out of it. Will post my notes separately in a bit. Need to make it readable first, lol.

Well now I know who you wanted to vote when you said you were going to vote.

IGCDs reaction will still tell me more about him than what you can say.

Corrik7 posted...

Death who would you vote now if you put your vote down?

I wouldnt put a vote down right now because I am still in the middle of processing as much as I can.
My mind keeps shifting and right now I feel like Red or Ashe has the most chance to be scum. But that could change again.
Heck if you had asked me earlier I would have said you because of the way you were talking about Wallz at the start of the day.

Let him answer it please.

Yeah I should have.
But part of me didnt feel like giving IGCD a lazy way out.
And the other part of me was too tired to deal with stuff.

Oh and another question for IGCD
Why vote with Sultan on JC in the end?

Btw I do have a question for IGCD now, since I have been ISOing him and Red for a bit now.

I do find it odd though that death gave me three different players to vote instead of the person he is on.

Why did you say this when I was on one of those three players?
My vote was on Ashe, and I named Ashe along with Brohan and JC.
(Though I will restate that I should not have mentioned Brohan at that time.)

I didnt even remember that you hadnt given us your night1 target yet.
Well Changmas/Crescent had no powers that night, but Ashe confirms your power anyway.
Or at least theoretically.

But we are literally at Mylo.

Also didnt expect an actual rolename as a trait name
Seems kinda silly to call it a trap for scum scanning when you are apparently still protection.

But I probably should not meta trait names too much.

Well that was easy.
And your trait names and abilities?

I mean if you like claims, you could do it yourself.
Or at least offer a sametime.
Though I know reds schedule is all kinds of borked.

Nothing happened at all huh, not even Corrik or Reds full claims.

Corrik is just repeating himself with Ashe, over and over, while Ashe himself is gone again.
It does not inspire confidence.

Btw Brohan I would like more posts from you too.

Fair enough
'while' is such a broad term I guess.

Oh I didnt mean that as a slight. Just stating that nothing could have happened right now probably.

Didnt notice the new page

So far that vote didnt tell me much.
Wallz said he wasnt around. Several players like Sbell havent been around for a while either (though they could all just be lurking anyway)

I doubt they lack numbers.
Coordination maybe.
That said I am about to sleep. No idea whats gonna happen during that time, but it should be alright I think.

Well.... nothings happened yet.

Its technically not a formality
But Sultan could at any point decide to just tell everyone out loud that he wins with scum now and is gonna vote with them on whoever.

That said scum would then have to trust that Sultan is telling the truth to them and not putting down some big bait.

Corrik7 posted...

I said if Brohan is town.

Well I didnt say you werent. But I dont know why you keep saying the theory.

Btw when are you going to claim your other flavor?

So to answer Sbell more directly

- No the game would not be over because Sultan counted as a player that scum needed to outnumber
- No the game would be over. If we had to lynch Sultan today after we mislynched town yesterday, then it'd be 4 scum vs 4 town.

Unless you want to believe its only 3 scum, but that seems impossible to me.

VICTORY CONDITION: You win if and only if the Killers decisively win over the Survivors. This means:
you win with SOLO QUEUE on even days+nights if all SURVIVE WITH FRIENDS are eliminated.
you win with the KILL YOUR FRIENDS team on odd days/nights if they outnumber both you and the living SOLO QUEUE players.
you lose if the opposite happens, or if you are killed, eliminated by the end of day vote, or otherwise removed from the game.

It seems like Sultan was on our side yesterday, but would have won with scum today.
Thats why he probably tried to flag scum. Because even if we mislynched, scum could not win until they were killers again and banded together with Sultans vote.

But your theory is pointless if Brohan is scum.

I think I get what math Corrik wanted to state there. But that still depends on scum trusting Sultan.

Yeah that was me
I am the timestamp lover

Still though
Not using the power at all.

Its so comical it almost becomes believable again.
I mean for one thing I feel like a scumBrohan could just have made up results to make himself more credible.

I mean if the conclusion is that Brohan would be among the 4 remaining scumcandidates, that just causes a paradox where the scumcandidate pool becomes bigger again anyway.

IGCD you dont remember what Dumey claimed?

Weird, but I will be nice and summarize.

He claimed to be an investigator who could see everything that happened to a player in the past. (But not the present)
He targeted me night1 and found out that nothing happened to me day1
He targeted FD night3 and found out that he had been poisoned night1 and roleblocked (by the box) at the start of day2.