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You cant kill an ideology with violence, all that does is turn them into martyrs.

Might not be real based on comments linked. And in the wrong area.

No, cause people would want pet raptors as their guard Dinos.

Also not sure if could survive the air quality now days.

Lack of Training plays a massive part, availability of firearms to untrained public doesnt help either, the system needs a reform.

also I think Germany and some other require college degree before going law enforcement. Requiring that would sadly remove a massive percent of current police forces, but I do wonder if the 2000 noted for Germany includes the college classes or is that strict in the job training?

Glad they got him to safety. Hopefully kid has a good recovery from this.

thronedfire2 posted...

seems like self defense but the shooter will probably also get some gun charges

if he was 17, then likely underage weapon procession. But people really shouldnt be doing this kinda crap, think they watched way too much of the online predator catcher show (Im brain farting the name, but I know he had police waiting nearby to arrest the suspects.)

AceMos posted...

ppl saying "oh he should just make a phone call"

he would still end up having to pay to get his property back

hell how is he suppose to get to work with out his vehicle

If he has evidence that was a wrongful repo, then it can be taken to court. The company is likely going to give it back then lose more in court. It is a massive inconvenience though, but not worth using a gun for.

I thought california normally had a surplus. Still this might been nice to lower teen pregnancies.

Murphiroth posted...

Ok, cool.

How was Perkins supposed to know the cops were there when they rolled up and immediately shot him with next to no warning? There's less than a second between them yelling at him to get on the ground and them firing. And I'm not a bootlicker so I don't automatically believe the cops' claim that he pointed the gun at them.

Ultimately your view is "believe all cops" and "summary executions are ok".

first off, I dont believe all cops. I look from objective angles and ask, was this justified? Was there reasonable reason to shoot the person in question. Based on initial info, it sounds like it might been, but a little more research is now bringing up questions.

Another camera angle from a neighbor was released for one and now there are questions if they followed protocol. So now we wait and see if they got the body cam footage (which is held up by an Alabama law it seems)

https://www.waff.com/2023/10/05/former-decatur-police-officer-questions-actions-officers-involved-stephen-perkins-death/?outputType=amp

Murphiroth posted...

Or, you know, the police are lying.

And are you seriously asking how the guy who owned the truck and had presumably been making payments on it knew it was a wrongful repo? Is that a real question? You surely can't be that dumb. Like if it was in fact a mistake then the guy who owned the truck would definitely know he was caught up on payments.

But hey, maybe the family's lying and the repo was legit. I can acknowledge that, unlike your inability to acknowledge the cops might be full of shit.

the tow truck driver is who Im referring to, how would he know? All he was told was go this truck it behind on payments.

and till more video comes out showing what happened, I assume that the accounts given are remotely accurate on all sides. Based on those listed, the gun threatened the tow truck driver with a gun, he left and returned with officers, then there was a shooting which resulted in this death. Thats all that is known outside there was a crap ton of gun fire based on the driveway video which is excessive amounts (17 shots I think?)

if any is proven false Ill re-evaluate from there. Right now we just have the news reports to go off of.

GranAures posted...

"Minimal loss of life" would have been better achieved by not shooting first and asking questions never because he dared to have a gun. But again, more attempts to blame somebody for daring to have a gun instead of the people who shot on sight.

That would have likely led to more loss of life as police would have been called on a shooting and would be two dead bodies.

im blaming the person who thought be effective to threaten a tow truck driver with a gun. Then brought it out again when he returned with police.

He escalated the conflict, which could resolved peacefully with a few phone calls. Instead he threatened someone doing their job (or would any of you like to explain how he would know it was a wrongful repo?) with a firearm. Owning the gun isnt a crime, but using it to openly threaten someone is.

Think you guys broke it.

2nd one: megazord

Kradek posted...

It's honestly a little amazing that you can have this attitude on not killing over property yet seem to be endorsing the idea that you should shoot on sight someone with a gun without giving them the chance to surrender/lower it.

It feels similar to a certain other poster I've seen who is staunchly against the death penalty, yet has many times justified police split-second on the spot executions based off their mere perception of what they thought was happening at the time for things no court of law would ever sentence someone to death over.

the difference is loss of life. Also the constant saying Im saying they should shoot on sight is wrong. I rather it end with no deaths and not a single shot fired, but minimal loss of life is the goal. This was preventable long before the police arrived.

GranAures posted...

Yes, we know 27, you think him having a gun is enough reason to kill him.

So why waste the good officer's time giving orders? They should have just opened fired on sight like you support.

him having a gun out and if he had pointed it someone.

What if they waited and he fired and killed someone? then you have two dead people instead of one? Or maybe he would dropped it and no one be dead.

but at the end of the day, cause he pulled a firearm and used it in a threatening manner, officers responded the way they did. Now we wait for camera footage to see what what fully happened.

Sufferedphoneix posted...

I feel some property is valuable enough to defend. Your home and vehicle I would qualify as such. Home for obvious reasons. Car cause for many they need to have it to get to work in order to provide for themselves and family.

If your car is outright stolen (thief broke in a stole it, not going look at it getting repoed) and you were insured, you get a rental and find a new car after going through the process. It sucks, but not worth taking a life.

Everything is your house can be replaced mostly outside family heirlooms, but again is it worth taking a life over them?

you can save a $20000 dollar truck, but Im doing so eat 100k or more civil suits. Again is it worth it?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Why do banks have armed security, but schools generally do not?

sadly cause money rules everything and is more valuable to those in charge.

meralonne posted...

I feel like this isn't the line the 2A people take, though. Or is it a moving target depending on the shooter and the person getting shot?

This is something that was drilled into me from my dad who was a handgun instructor and self defense teacher. Property is replacable, human life isnt.

@granaures

again, a firearm only comes out if you have the intent to use, so by having it out, you are saying you intend harm on someone with it. It is a deadly weapon, not a toy. I believe there are way too many unqualified and untrained people who dont think about what will happen once they draw that gun.

GranAures posted...

No.

Does that deserve summary execution? And what other instances do you support cops unloading in people before they have a chance to respond to orders?

Its stopping a possible threat. If he was armed, gun in hand, they choose to stop him with equal force. If he hadnt flashed or pulled a gun, we likely wouldnt have a story about his death.

though Im surprised there is no footage yet, normally we have at least civilian footage or dashcam footage.

GranAures posted...

So what other situations do you support cops summarily executing people without giving them a chance to respond?

Since you support "turning towards a noise" being a justifiable reason.

was the victim correct is flashing a gun at tow truck driver over property?

GranAures posted...

Such a threat that he didn't deserve the chance to respond to an order from unannounced officers?

if you are waving around a firearm, then yes. I would assume you have the intent to use it.

flashing A gun at the guy and having it out set him up for this. Guy was a threat to the tow truck driver and anyone else there.

you dont pull a gun over property, only to protect human life. The truck was recoverable if there was a screw up, but now someone is dead cause of it.

Tagging for later

Its fine where it is

Time travel would be abused so hard that it would screw us over more wait, why were there automobiles in 1000 BC now?

My dad was a die hard gun based voter. He thought obama was going take away the guns at times, and a dooms day prepper. I honestly feel he had a mental illness that was ignored looking back, but to him seeing a doctor for mental health meant he couldnt own a gun.

my mom was quiet on her politics, but Ill say she was right leaning and voted with my dad.

I spent time and honestly reading political news at 261 to pass time here let me keep up with events and slowly made me re-evaluate what I knew. Now Im on the left.

No where near close.

Might be time consider a reset

also modest

Lets see how this turns out.

2 headed ogre

Parents were right leaning, Ive gone more left since their passing and getting more knowledge on the world.

Fallout

sfcalimari posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/0/2/AAKd0vAAE58O.jpg

ok, better than I expected. Still likely going name change.

Sad_Face posted...

This.

Here is a thought experiment, if a population of husbands had access to 3 buttons, de-age his wife 10 years, advance his wife's age by *5 years (lemme be nice), and the last button does nothing. Which one would be the most popular button to press? And why?

well if they press the 2nd button to age up the wife murders him so that option is dead on arrival.

wife likely prefers option 1 to lose 10 years or option three if wife would drop below 18 annulling their marriage (unless that was the plan)

I doubt they all have devil fruits, i figure at least 1 doesnt, but I have no proof.

however this does set the stakes of what we will be facing at the end.

Ill stay with my wife being 5 years younger than me. At least we have similar experiences and status of where we are personally.

I have low expectations for mine. Been thinking about name changing to something more fitting to me. use my love your sci fi and books into a new name.

Hes happy and content.

He shouldnt be speaker of anything.

the parent desires, but an 8 year old should be able to go in alone, parent outside the restroom waiting.

And there it goes, likely scared the crap out of many people.

I be sad, have somewhere else to lurk. And someone would need to back up all the data just from the guides likely.

Gundam 00. From just above the ocean into orbit.

Sadly cant find a clip of that one, so went for the 2nd appearance which isnt as grand.

And yes that is sword, first time it was used the enemy thought it was just a large blast that missed the mark until it was swung and took out an orbital laser cannon.

https://youtu.be/rq8H7iEgFaE?si=O2cAbhZzZqZieL1A

People abusing power isnt new, all you can do is pass laws to limit abuses and give a way to punish those that do.

all crimes involving police need to be moved up to federal level and we need a federal body designed to investigate questionable incidents.

Applebees is the worst to me, chilis is ok.

Red Robin is a case of their burgers have no flavor.

On a 11 that sadly my charging jack (been using wireless charging instead)is messed up, so once a UBS-c model gets cheaper Ill likely update to it. Assuming this phone lasts that long.

Not allowed to have a girlfriend as Im married. Love my wife though

Good luck and hopefully it works out well.

Chex mix has so many good flavors I can forgo the others pretty easily.

Price of everything is going up, therefore wages need to increase. Likewise insurance (health, car, and house) need be better regulated as the prices of those are what hurt budgets the most.

Castlevania was awesome, so hopefully this is just as good