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Prismsblade posted...

Ngl I was expecting Hulk to bounce back from his ptsd by the end of endgame and pay Thanos back 10x for the ass kicking he gave him in infinity war.

But it didnt happen, they kept him as a soy boy and ruined his character completely. I maintained hope still but then she hulk happened and I gave up.

She hulk gave me hope. They introduced his son, hopefully his son gets waxed to set off hulk

Hes lame now but i dont think hes unfixable, we just need the real hulk to come back

Were_Wyrm posted...

An episode a day? Marvel is really getting desperate.
Did I do it right?

I know youre joking but I assume they want it done in the current year as Echo starts a week later

An episode per day sounds good. Otherwise I didnt care about the original, maybe will tune into this. For me what if s1 is at the very bottom of the mcu

8 projects. Large part of 3 Thor movies, headlined in an Avengers movie, appeared in 2 more Avengers movies, got 2 seasons of his own show. He depicted a character that branched into 2 different characters due to time travel nonsense (which I am mixed on). Both with wildly different endings.

If his run is over, he put in one of the better resumes in the mcu. Wouldnt be at the top, that probably still has captain america for me but a good one

Gremlynn posted...

it's kinda funny to me how everybody here who says they saw the movie seems to have found it enjoyable, while everybody in this topic talking about it being bad are only referencing the trailers, super hero fatigue, their thoughts on Phase 4 and 5 as a whole, a lack of interest in the characters themselves, lack of marketing, under performing ticket sales, and negative reviews.

Echo chamber. Its an enjoyable movie that paid for the sins of other mcu movies

Ivynn posted...

MCU burned through all their goodwill on mediocre projects and saying each of them was important to the overall narrative.

Having people watch 2-3 shows to understand 1 movie was a tall ask.

My girlfriend watched the marvels without having seen wandavidision or ms marvel and dug it. She did watch caotain marvel. Forum dwellers over think the "homework aspect", its a blockbuster movie not rocket science, you can figure out quick who is who

In team up movies he gives the remaining righteous avengers someone to always have animosity/disagreements with. All of the original 6 avengers had a fight and argument with him at some point.

In his own movies he dominates the screen too hard. His relationship with pepper is nice but everyone else is just a supporting character, he doesnt have his own loki or bucky/sam (warmachine doesnt cut it)

His villains also are all towards the bottom of the mcu, jeff bridges isnt bad but doesnt make for a good fight

I think the mcu misses tony stark but not iron man movies

TheDurinator posted...

Everything she's in seems to bomb horrifically so I don't know if Disney shares your enthusiasm. Whenever I see people talk about her on CE she always gets glowing reviews so the disconnect is jarring.

The disconnect is real. She is good but no one wants to admit it but muslim teen girl is a hard sell. I think she needs to continue but in lower budget stuff or appearances with guaranteed sellers

CableZL posted...

I think that's fair. I think (or hope) Marvel is starting to realize the amount of homework they were requiring of the audience for these movies is piling up. I feel they did a good job in this movie recapping the stories of each character. Some important things happened in this movie, but hopefully they'll continue doing the recap in future movies.

I think its more in forum dweller's heads than in reality. My gf watched guardians 3 and thr marvels with only having seen avengers iw, avengers endgame, caprain marvel and enjoyed both of them

Vyrulisse posted...

It's incredibly lazy and dishonest to reduce all criticism to "ewww women!" nonsense.

Weirdly enough, more men than women watched it

It was a fun movie that isnt amazing. Had this movie followed multiple well received mcu movies instead of multiple movies of mixed reception (some great, some average, some bad), this could have been fine. Regardless of what happens with this movie, these 3 characters were great and i hope to see their stories continue (in better projects though)

I guess I should specify "successful". This means money brought to their respective companies. Star wars a new hope was a box office hit but it spawned multiple billion dollar films and a huge universe for tv, movies, games, merchandise

Without iron man, there is no mcu. 33 movies, multiple tv shows, theme park, etc

Ricemills posted...

Should've specified that they're successful starters on the title, because there's some movies that follows them that are more successful.

Those movies dont exist without these 2.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

I disagree on a couple points. I definitely think she should be involved in Avengers, even if she is coordinating ground efforts as other heroes fight Kang. I also think her being one of the big parts of a "Young Avengers" is smart. Again, she has a lot of similarities with Spider-Man and that enthusiasm can be the glue that holds a Young Avengers project together, IMO.

She is great and I want her to continue being a part of the mcu be it her own series, her own movie, team us or anything else but I want avengers 5 to be teenager free, lets have an avengers team of adults

Its a fun and flawed movie. I like ms marvel but damn, marvel should not do this. Her show is the lowest viewed and her movie is about to be the lowest box office. Sadly muslim teenage girl just doesnt sell. The movie is fine. Nothing amazing but doesnt deserve the dunking its catching. I hope all 3 leads continue to be major parts of the mcu but dont necessarily need to be in a movie together as leads. Ms marvel has good goofy energy but i hope she is not in avengers 5 and in her own shows+ other teenager projects

Hinakuluiau posted...

I like how 99% of discussions right now refer to the villain as "the villain" because she was so forgettable we don't remember her name

Pretty much. I dont remember captain marvel bad guy's name either

Also captain marvel can go in a star and restart it. She shouldnt struggle with anyone ever. Bad power scaling

I know box office has avatar or box office with inflation has Gone with the wind but these 2 movies created franchises that went on to generate billions upon billions. Star Wars 1 created the whole star wars universe. If that movie fails, we probably dont have the whole franchise

Without iron man, there is no mcu and all of the billion dollar movies it has.

Without either disney plus would be barren

TheLiarParadox posted...

I think (not sure) the idea is that anyone powerful enough can hold it together. HWR did it with technology. Loki is a god, plus he did the whole sacrifice thing that always makes character more powerful.

Potentially but thats all we have, fan theories

Forty_Niners posted...

I thought the Marvels villain was one of the better ones. Not top tier, but definitely top half. She had actual motivation. Most of the other villains are just there and we don't know shit about them or why they are the way they are. This felt more personal, kind of reminded me of Zemo a bit.

I think the motivation was legit just the on screen presence was lacking

bsp77 posted...

Agree about Tbe Marvels.

Huge disagree about Loki. I was a little disappointed in episodes 2 and 3, but then I loved it.

I know my loki opinions are in the minority. The series just didnt land with me like it did others

Loki Season 2
-The MCU has multiple sub franchises. The Loki series is one of my least favorites. I acknowledge it is well made but the timeline/multiverse stuff just isn't fun for me to watch
-Fucking Johnathan majors. Hes been the best parts of every mcu entry hed been in. Kang, he who remains and victor timely are all fun but I have no idea what happens with him
-I miss mcu mainline loki. I needed more time in the green suit and less crying for sylvie
-Mobius/loki dynamic is one of the better parts of the series
-One of the better looking series in thr mcu
-Im happy the reception is positive as Im a big marvel fan and its been disappointing to see the recebt reception to the mcu. I dont share in the positivity but I acknowledge Im in the minority for this series
-I actually think season 1 was better and Im not the biggest fan of that
-Watching he who remains again was awesome
-I still dont see how loki gained the powers to hold together the multiverse but Im sure others will tell me its great writing

Overall season 2 gets a 5/10.

The Marvels
-The 3 leads are fun and fun together
-The villain is a contender for worst in the mcu but i still think shes better than captain marvel bad guy
-Slightly better than captain marvel
-Action was good with the switching
-I didnt mind the singing planet like others did but perhaps it came at the wrong time, when people are turning on the sillier side and want more seriousness
-The ending seemed rushed
-I like ms marvel but I want her to stay in the teenager zone of the mcu and dont want her goofy energy in the next avengers movie
-the movie is going to bomb but I want to see all 3 women again in thr mcu (but doesnt need to be together)
-this is the best we have seen of captain marvel
-nick fury sure did have a major mood change since secret invasion
-Movie seems like it was directed by the studio. It had an end goal for characters in mind and then decided to build a superficially fun but not deep movie
-The visuals looked good to me. I know when it hits disney plus, people will pause and find cgi faults then complain about them online but in theatres it looked good

I give it a 6/10. Not bad but mcu needs better

Overall 2 mild disappointments for me this week. It seems like next year will be a light year for the mcu. Hopefully that helps the mcu get back on track. Aside from guardians 3, this year was a disappointment for me on the mcu side

The marvels was fine. Better than captain marvel and ms marvel. This movie doesnt deserve the dunking its getting. Its better than ant man 3, the first thor movies, hulk, the shitty iron man movies. Its closer to the bottom of the mcu but theres worse.

Xerun posted...

Eh. I really enjoyed it but the MCU gets way too much hate for having required homework when (spoilers for all Gen V) the entire ending requires you have watched up to date on The Boys. Even the credits scene features a character from The Boys.

Great show though

O this I agree with. Almost every mcu show is more watchable without having seen anything else than gen v is. Gen v is better but it is way more connected and the boys is necessary. This is season 4 essentially

It aleays did but they nailed the mey movies but yes quality has always fluctuated

Good, better to fix it then release as is

Guardians 3. Marvels tomorrow

Who voted secret invasion

I don't get how amazon keeps doing it but they keep making the best comic book tv series. This fit perfectly in thr boys-verse with a nice young adult mix. The mystery, the chemistry, the characters was all great. Ending was a tad messy and I still find the boys style of over the top gore silly but this was top notch

Ivynn posted...

Oh wow. Well absence makes the heart grow fonder. Maybe a barely there MCU for a year will make people miss it? Of course it could also risk interest dropping even more.

I think itll help. The marvels seems to be rock bottom in terms of box office. Take a brief break, make everything good on tv and movie sides and come back strong.

Gamespoht posted...

And PG-13 Daredevil

Probably be tv ma as echo is and daredevil is 2025

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Agatha feels like the spinoff of a spinoff. Even if it turned out great, it feels VERY unnecessary. They really need to take a break and reboot the whole MCU and start from scratch with FF4/Xmen and slowly bring back other characters.

I dont think the reboot you think is will help as much as you think. Ff4 and xmen in their history have never had a movie that made more than thor love and thunder. The mcu brand is the strength that took these movies to billions. Rebooting without brand strength brings you back to the same place. What will fix marvel is keeping whatever the plan was...just make sure every title is good

Iron man, captain america, thor were never bigger than xmen/f4 pre mcu. It was the brand that took them to those heights

Marvel needs to do better. Gives a movie to 3 women, 2 of color and makes it mid.

Good. Make sure its done right, marvel has taken too many hits. They need to ensure quality. Need to improve process too and not have to reshoot all the time

2024 will be a light year for them. Only echo, deadpool and agatha. Could be the break they need

The cure is simple, the well received ones made bank. Focus on quality over qauntity

This seems to be going upward, seems first critics were harsher and more casual viewers are kinder. Also avoids being MCU's 4th rotten title

I may be wrong but that loss is smaller than previous losses

Should see the losses netflix had for 10 years

NhojAnec posted...

according to https://www.joblo.com/the-marvels-box-office-projections-fall/

The Marvels: Box office projections fall with sequel looking at a $140 million worldwide opening weekend

The Marvels is set to hit theaters in just a few days, but the studio must be getting a little anxious as the box office forecast has actually fallen from previous estimates.

It was reported just three weeks ago that The Marvels was looking at bringing in somewhere between $75-$80 million over its opening weekend, but a new forecast has lowered that estimate to $50-$60 million. International projections are sitting at $80 million, which brings the worldwide box office estimate for The Marvels to somewhere around $140 million. Depending on how the movie fares during Thursday night previews, the opening weekend could dip even lower.

To put into perspective, the worldwide opening weekend of The Marvels could very well come in under previous underperforming Marvel movies such as Eternals with $160 million and Black Widow with $148 million. Recent marketing for the film has been trying to pump up excitement for the movie, with the latest trailer teasing a moment that changes everything. There have also been rumours of multiple cameos, but I suppose well have to wait and see how many of them turn out to be true.

i wonder, if this does happen and it brings in only $140 million, what will marvel do? we know they will have to make big changes to bring fans back to the mcu. will they just rush bringing in the x-men and fantastic 4 into the mcu? will they scale back the amount of movies and tv shows per year? will the studio give more creative reign to the directors? i dont think they can just keep the status quo anymore.

I think the plan is set, and the plan is probably fine. Just need to execute better. The marvels wouldnt struggle if the movie was better and many of the recent shows/movies had been better. Guardians 3 was set for a rocky start but then made bank due to it being good

Not rotten anymore at least

VeggetaX posted...

TC let's review scores control his decisions and uses them to affirm his already made up bias. If the reviews were higher than his expectations he woulda rejected the review scores.

Im one of the biggest mcu fans on this board and think phase 4 gets too much hate

Xerun posted...

Eternals and Black Widow fall into this category too. Even Love and Thunder which I enjoyed.

the shows are especially part of this.

I enjoyed black widow and thor love and thunder isnt rotten bad, disagree

Anyways this may end up un-rotten, seems to be ascending a bit

Xerun posted...

I think its a bit of a mixture of the movies quality not being as good, giving voices to people who just want the MCU to fail and some people just being over super heroes.

the only projects Ive felt deserved a bad score are Quantumania and Secret Invasion

Well those are 2 of the 3 that got bad scores, so critics were right there

NoxObscuras posted...

What? This is only the third movie in phase 5. This phase started with Quantumania. So this would be the second rotten rating for phase 5, assuming other critics don't rate it higher

Secret invasion

Tyranthraxus posted...

MCU is ded

I havent seen it yet and eternals was rotten and I loved it

Though ant man 3 and secret invasion deserved them