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ZaruenKosai posted...

Than you're being irrational and should not be taken seriously.
History is where the root of the problem lies, in their horrible treatment of the people of Palestine over the years.

Even now right before their immenent ground invasion, all they had to say was GTFO, we're about to go on a Rampage!

They are well aware the people of Palestine have nowhere to go.
They have lived their entire life in an open air prison.
They have no money, barely any food or water.

No Countries will take them in as refugees because they fear HAMAS.
Barely any Humanitarian Aid is being sent because all the money is going to Israel instead.

There you go again.. Them! Them! Them!
You are blaming Hamas to ease the guilt of Israel killing thousands of Civilians.
Hamas is not to blame for Israels Own Sins & Atrocities.

I disagree.

Strider102 posted...

And then say "Well what happened before is irrelevant, only now matters".

When the events that came before just build off each other and led us to now.

It's irrelevant to the conversation being had here, yes. You aren't going to get answers for all of history. Also, Israel Palestine is a very complicated issue so why you all think Palestine is even clandestine if we go through history is not even understandable.

Israel was the one attacked.

Collat posted...

So you agree that IDF are terrorists?

No, I just think you made yourself clear and I am fine letting other people decide on their own if you're being reasonable or not without me needing to argue the point.

hockeybub89 posted...

By this logic, police can endanger everyone in the area doing whatever is needed to catch a criminal who started it. Your argument is that being provoked absolves you of responsibility for anything you do next, regardless of how many people you hurt in your pursuit.

I stopped responding. You can't seem to stop the what about argument fallacies or trying to draw terrible analogies. Im fine leaving it where it was.

If...
Collat posted...

I condemn the terrorists.

Both Hamas and the IDF.

Thinks this... I think that stands on it's own and doesn't need to be argued about.

For you hockeybub89, I am not going to argue and spin into every what about you want to talk about. I think the tragedy we are talking about is enough.

MarcyWarcy posted...

i dont recognize the names of these hardline israel fanboys that always materialize in these threads outside of the usual conservative discord dorks who are just messing around but its made me finally start using the ignore function. no time for shit like that

I don't pretend to have an expert opinion on everything like many of you that can post in every topic.

hockeybub89 posted...

I do hate terrorists. This is why I condemn both sides. Netanyahu is a terrorist. He runs a fascist apartheid state and Palestinians are just some of the people he'd like to eradicate.

This has been a back and forth war of atrocity way before last week

I don't agree with the terrorist label, but I agree that Palestinians needed help long before now. As far as what I've heard, Hamas has set them back many decades.

Skankhair posted...

Israel helped create Hamas and helped them attain power.

IDGAF. I'm talking about what's going on now. I'm not gonna spin around and answer for all of history.

In this conflict, what's going on now, Hamas is the only ones responsible for what's happening.

hockeybub89 posted...

So we have a duty to murder children if terrorists hide weapons in the basement?

You have a duty to fight the terrorist attacks against you. It's the terrorist that are responsible for where they put their weapons.

They aren't forced to put weapons in basements of civilians homes.

hockeybub89 posted...

What? So you wouldn't kill people, but I'm giving the terrorists sympathy because I don't want millions of innocents murdered to get to the terrorists?

The answer to "terrorists know you won't attack them if they hide around innocents" isn't to call their bluff.

And you're another person ignoring the uniqueness of this situation, given Israel's terrible human rights record against Palestinians and others.

If the Russia-Ukraine war goes another 10 years and some Ukrainian turn to terrorism, does that absolve Putin and Russia of their crimes? Would anyone who continues to hate Putin be "sympathetic" of the terrorists for not thinking Russia has a blank check to slaughter as many innocents as possible in retaliation?

Hamas has put their military in with civilians. That's their responsibility, not Israel's.

It's sad, it's unfortunate, but no amount of arguing is going to change that fact.

And further, you can't just win every confrontation and expect no retaliation because they've done so. Terrorists have not figured out the magical solution to just auto-win every thing.

The only ones you should be condemning are the terrorists.

Skankhair posted...

Hes using your own ridiculous logic to show how stupid it is. You are gazing into the mirror of your own psychopathy.

You've derailed and lost objectivity and gone into personal attacks.

Skankhair posted...

Yeah, its called colonialism. You need to study history and stop embarrassing yourself.

Just because it's called something doesn't change the fact.

Skankhair posted...

Saying land in the Middle East was British land is fucking wild. The colonial propaganda got your ass good.

This may blow your mind, but a lot of Africa was French at one point.

hockeybub89 posted...

Would you support Canada bombing the shit out of innocent Americans if a Trump policy led to us committing a terror attack against them?

Would you argue that there are no innocent Americans if they don't stop him before another country does?

Sorry for having at least partially taken you seriously before in this topic.

Skankhair posted...

Other countries have figured this out

They really haven't.

Even here in the US and when I was over there, we tried many techniques including integrating ourselves into their lives and even paying tribes to allow us to protect them. We tried showing them life without terrorist organizations and they still didn't care.

hockeybub89 posted...

How many innocent people are you personally willing to eliminate to defeat terrorism?

Zero.

Unfortunately, Terrorists have other plans because people like you keep giving them sympathy for using civilians.

Funkydog posted...

Please explain how you expected over a million people to evacuate in 24 hours when they have nowhere to go, nowhere will accept them, they are being bombed and have no food or water?

Also, maybe Israel shouldn't keep stealing their land and pushing them back if they then don't want to provide the only means of resources.

It was never their land. Before Israel it was part of the British Empire. It's never been Palestinian.

Skankhair posted...

My suggestion is dont torture and murder innocent kids who never attacked you. Pretty simple.

I agree. Hamas should surrender and stop integrating their military operations near innocent kids.

Funkydog posted...

Guess we better start killing kids! We all know killing children works, just like in Egypt!

That's not a suggestion.

How're you going to fight these terrorists?

Skankhair posted...

So punish Hamas instead of torturing and killing innocent kids who werent even born when Hamas got their power. What the fuck is wrong with you psychopaths?

Hamas doesn't allow that to happen. That's why they are a terrorist organization.

So what's your suggestion? Israel just let the attack go? Let the hostages go? Hamas wins because they hold up a civilian?

ZaruenKosai posted...

If they had never come to the village, never started fighting there, then I wouldn't have tried to pilot that Gear. It's all their fault! Not mine! They're the ones to blame! If they'd never come, none of this would have if not for them! Them! Them! Them! [he punctuates each "them" by hitting a tree

That's what you sound like. Laying blame on the enemy to excuse Israels own atrocities.

I don't sound like anything other than what I said myself.

Collat posted...

It really should go without saying that I condemn terrorism, but some of you pro IDF weirdos are condoning them killing civilians, including children, to get to Hamas in this very thread.

I guess you are just wired differently.

I don't condone killing civilians or children to get to Hamas. Hamas just makes it impossible. That's their fault. Not IDF.

Skankhair posted...

How about when a terrorist group kills your civilians dont kill a bunch of innocent kids in response. That doesnt stop future terrorism, it just inspires more of it.

The children in Gaza arent the ones shooting at Israel, but they are the ones being tortured and murdered.

Nothing has stopped future terrorism. Peace doesn't work. Giving them aid and showing them life outside of terrorist control doesn't work. You just want to keep kicking the ball down the road. Israel doesn't have to. They no longer want to be attacked.

Hamas is the one responsible for children deaths. Not Israel. Israel is not holding them there. Israel has told them to move. Israel isn't the one putting military bases near them.

Skankhair posted...

Both sides are using terrorism. One side has been losing land for decades and the other side has the power to deprive them of food, water, and electricity.

Probably shouldn't shoot at them then.

Strider102 posted...

A lot of people support innocent people dying as long as Hamas is obliterated.

It's sad, it's disgusting, but people are perfectly fine with it.

Yea, it's pretty sad and disgusting and a shame Hamas is using civilians instead of fighting a less terroristic war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME0X1s9OlBw

I'm more on the fence than I was after this report from my favorite source.

They lay it out better than anyone has in this topic.

However, it should be very easy just to release the Warhead which is well within the realm of possibility for Palestine/Hamas.

Strider102 posted...

Remember the story about Hamas terrorists supposedly decapitating 40 babies

No, I don't recall that story. Where is it?

And we have video. I don't know about 40 babies, but the video is pretty shocking without it.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/10/what-we-know-about-three-widespread-israel-hamas-war-claims/

Hardly misinformation.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

Set to private lol

They have to figure a new spin out. And maybe remove the Top Gun music.

Collat posted...

Maybe they could come up with a plan that isn't just shelling civilian homes?

What's the plan stan?

Rai_Jin posted...

that seems a video directly from al jazeera though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNMPlj1iAA

Still the same. How do they explain the non cratering and burning? How do they explain no missile shrapnel? How do they explain the radar images?

Ajiri posted...

Smdh. No point in even presenting evidence to Israel backers, they will defend Israel not matter what.

You provided a Tweet with Top Gun levels of propaganda music that didn't address 90% of what was said by Israel. Your evidence was, frankly, bullshit.

ZaruenKosai posted...

They deal with the root of the problem as I have mentioned many times.

Treating Palestinians as equal human beings with equal rights deserving of life.

They did that already.

These attacks and wars are what have continued to strip away their rights and equality. It's the same terrorists using them as shields.

Collat posted...

Yes?

There is never a justified reason to knowingly attack civilians.

So, they just let themselves get attacked? Terrorists get to always win? They have the ultimate trump card.

Ajiri posted...

Here is a good break down of debunking IDF's claim they didn't bomb the hospital.

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1714993232453472310

And also common sense to me tells me Hamas doesn't have a missle that sounds like a JDAM accuracy missle nor they have anything that powerful. Common sense tells me Israel has lied before and will lie again.

Some random on Twitter playing tense music in their video is your proof versus all the media and experts that have already aired?

Fine. If that's your proof.

I'm not convinced.

Funkydog posted...

But much of that proof has been disproven, such as the audio, or doesn't really prove much either way.

No it hasn't.
Funkydog posted...

Israel has repeatedly lied with their propaganda. Why should we suddenly believe them now when they've been found to have made evidence up and had warned that they were going to bomb the place?

Everything I've seen from them seems very documented and articulated. Hamas/Palestine isn't providing any evidence contrary to what Israel has provided.

ZaruenKosai posted...

So even if this one attack on the hospital was not them,

This is the one we're talking about.

And Hamas has to be dealt with. What do you expect Israel to do when they are attacked? Just say "Oh, we can't do anything because they're using civilians as shields?" It's Hamas using them as shields. Hamas is doing two wrong things and getting passes. They're attacking someone and they're using civilian shields. And yet it's still the people that were attacked fault for fighting back?

Funkydog posted...

Except that is all that argument boils down to. Everyone thinks Hamas is scum for using Palestinians as shields, but that doesn't mean you slaughter civilians as Israel does.

No it's not. The argument boils down to one side having provided as much proof as they can and another side not providing anything. Why do you expect Israel to provide even MORE proof and Palestine/Hamas not providing any?

What could Israel show you to convince you that it was a rocket fired from Islamic Jihad?

Funkydog posted...

'Terrorists did something bad so I HAD to bomb a hospital' is really the argument you want to make?

That's not the argument I made at all. The argument I made on that part is in post 58. But since we're on the subject, why are you outraged at Israel so much and not the terrorist organization using hospitals?
WoodenRook posted...

The only ones who have provided any factual information that can be verified is Israel.
Hamas and Palestine have had two days now to provide their own and haven't.

Israel provided audio captured of Hamas claiming it was Islamic Jihad (the organization.)
Israel shows before and after pictures showing it was a parking lot and there was no cratering.
No cratering means it was a smaller rocket and not a heavy missile.
Israel shows the burned cars and not destroyed cars. Once again supporting that it was a rocket and not a missile.
Israel shows surveillance of all the rocket launches in the area at the time.

Why is the poll even remotely thinking it's Israel still? Why do you have a higher burden of proof for one side and not the other?

Hamas and Palestine could easily disprove everything with evidence of missile shrapnel. It would be very conclusive and fast.

Also, where's the outrage that Hamas is using hospitals for their operations? Why is the line that a bombing happened in the parking lot of a hospital so infuriating, but not that a military organization (Terrorist) are using hospitals?

The only ones who have provided any factual information that can be verified is Israel.
Hamas and Palestine have had two days now to provide their own and haven't.

Israel provided audio captured of Hamas claiming it was Islamic Jihad (the organization.)
Israel shows before and after pictures showing it was a parking lot and there was no cratering.
No cratering means it was a smaller rocket and not a heavy missile.
Israel shows the burned cars and not destroyed cars. Once again supporting that it was a rocket and not a missile.
Israel shows surveillance of all the rocket launches in the area at the time.

Why is the poll even remotely thinking it's Israel still? Why do you have a higher burden of proof for one side and not the other?

Hamas and Palestine could easily disprove everything with evidence of missile shrapnel. It would be very conclusive and fast.

hockeybub89 posted...

If you are a parent and watch TV or a movie, it better be a children's program that your child is watching while you happen to be in the room

I don't think this is the sarcastic response you think it is...

You really should be watching programs appropriate for the age of the group in the room. I'm not really sure why you would expect that to be a uncommon expectation.

The_shibe posted...

what if youre asleep and they wake up!? Theyre behind you, not sleeping!!

Inception

You get up like a normal person?

The_shibe posted...

sleeping with your kid = good
playing Mario kart with your kid = bad

o..k..

I mean...

WoodenRook posted...

"But they play with me..." - That's fine. If they are actually the ones playing and aren't just behind you commenting. That's fine. I also think this makes it so you're not over consuming.

Unknown5uspect posted...

No you need to be productive every waking minute or you're a bad parent, a bad partner, and suffer from arrested development apparently.

You're exaggerating. And I don't just mean the sarcasm.

Doing productive things doesn't mean they aren't relaxing. Especially when it comes to my parenting comment. For example, you could quite literally be sleeping while your kid sleeps instead of staying up to play video games and sacrificing a good rest.

little caesars is king i said it

Zikten posted...

Because Israel has told nothing but lies for 70 years

So bias...

You're unable to absorb facts and change your mind. Also, because of your attitude with this, you lose credibility on anything you say. Not that you had any to begin with after trying to use a Facebook post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKWRkf5iz8

Zikten posted...

Then why did Israel tweet that they did it right after attack, and then deleted the tweet?

Spreading misinformation.

Israel has provided video and audio proof. Hamas is there with the missile shrapnel available to refute it and haven't. An airstrike would crater the parking lot. Without Palestinian or Hamas refuting the new facts, why still believe it was Israel?

Why does Israel have to provide even more proof on top of what they already provided and you still won't budge from your opinion based on nothing provided from the other side except that it happened.

"Growing up" isn't so much about how others perceive you. It's about how your priorities shift.

Being an adult takes a lot of time. You can continue to ignore those things, but I don't think that should be the common advice or direction to send out to people.

Houses require upkeep.
Cars require upkeep.
Children need to be raised.
Decent jobs and wages require constant training and uptraining and learning.

When you become an adult life grows from much more than just going to school and making sure you eat and shower.

So yes, being concerned about not being childish is valid. There is such a thing called arrested development. It's not just a comedy show.

Yea, same here. A month earlier than I made it last year.

Wings are better. You just gotta know how to deal with flats. Pinch one end until the two bones separate and twist out one of the bones. Now you've got a more meaty drumstick.

Wings are better than strips. It's dark meat vs light meat. Of course dark meat tastes better.

StealThisSheen posted...

Because he uses alts for that, particularly when he'd get suspended.

EDIT: Also, I'd push back on that somewhat. "This is off topic" is a rather blatant WoodenRook gimmick.

I don't even post here regularly. I don't even know you. You don't know my Gimmicks. Ai is only remembering me from the Politics board that I infrequented.