Lurker > ZaruenKosai

Hopefully Hamas allowed the civilians to evacuate instead of forcing them to be human shields and harming dissidents

What should happen to Israel? Should it no longer exist?

@Metroid_Food

You made the claim "Its extremely easy for Israel to avoid collateral damage, they just don't care to."

I asked you how, and you did not provide a way to strike at HAMAS and avoid collateral damage.

So you've made a false claim.

I think CNN is doing a solid job

Just like on this board, where apparently the pro Israel side isnt allowed to have an opinion.

Im not. My point is and always has been that its impossible to have peace when one side refuses to acknowledge your right to exist and hides behind human shields.

In no way does that dismiss the plight of those human shields in any way.

But I have been called everything from fascist to blood thirsty

most densely populated area in the world.

Thanks for the history lesson

I know what led up to all this, I'm not arguing how or why this happened because I know all of that happened and I don't disagree with you that it happened. There's been plenty of violence and unrest from both sides that led up to this and I fully recognize that and agree that it happened.

I'm not saying all Palestinians are terrorists either, or that they deserve to die for the crimes of the minority that are Hamas members. I see what's going on in Gaza and it's truly awful, but I also see that all this bloodshed on both sides could've been avoided if Hamas was dealt with before they became as big of a threat as they are today.

Much of the humanitarian aid that's gone into Gaza over the years has been confiscated by Hamas in order to build up their military capabilities. Pipes meant to provide Palestinians in Gaza with clean water were ripped up by Hamas and used to build their rocket arsenal. By these actions and more, Hamas had made it very clear they're not interested in a peaceful solution.

Still cutting and pasting huh? Where exactly are you cutting and pasting from?

Yeah, I'm not on the side of savages who behead babies and massacre peaceful civilians at a music festival like you are. I'm such a shill...

Also, I don't like the fact that civilians die in any war, at all, but if Hamas is going to be building their tunnel complexes, rocket launch facilities and other military infrastructure in residential areas it's really difficult to avoid collateral damage.

I sympathize with Israel because they just dealt with a massive terrorist attack and invasion and want to deal with the threat from Hamas once and for all so it won't happen again.

So you're saying Hamas isn't evil then, I've heard enough out of you...

Yeah, I'm not on the side of savages who behead babies and massacre peaceful civilians at a music festival like you are. I'm such a shill...

Lots of Hamas sympathizers in here today, I'm honestly not surprised though...

CE board be like Israel really bombed that hospital without fact checking

Me - Are you sure?

CE Board - Deny the genocide some more you fascist.

CNN - It was Islamic Jihad accident

Then CE Board - this random twitter account has Israelis being racist assholes against Palestinians.

Me - Are you sure?

CE Board - Still denying the truth, you fascist!

Or am I missing something?

I never said that. I would rather a peace that exists where at the very least both sides recognize the right of the other to exist, and go from there.

But one side is making that difficult.

Translation: Israel should not be able to prevent October 7th from happening every other weekend.

You have a very interesting take on history. It's not at all reflective of reality but it's definitely an interesting head canon.

In reality, Arab and Jewish Palestinians have been fighting since before Israel was officially a country.

The stated goal of Hamas - supported by a majority of the populace as per polling data - is that they want to expel the occupiers of Palestine and turn it into an Islamist state. They conveniently give their proposed borders for their version of Palestine which just so happens to be Israel-shaped. Go figure.

Distinction without a difference. Israel is already justified in returning fire.

You keep saying this but then rule out taking any action to actually do it. I can't possibly imagine why you'd be against any action taken against terrorists.

Because every time someone posts this crap their "solution" to the conflict always includes policies they know full well will result in giving Hamas more weapons. Every Fucking Time. You're not fooling anyone with this shit.

What we are arguing over is who has to be the one to finally turn the other cheek and stop the cycle, and I think its unrealistic for the Israelis to do that when Hamas is kidnapping babies from their homes. I do put the blame squarely on Hamas for one reason and one reason only.

If they put down their guns and stop fighting, the conflict is over. Even if Israel is as bad as you say it is (its not) its too small of a country to risk further damage to its reputation by having MLK or Ghandi like protests with accusations of Apartheid while calling itself a democracy. They arent stupid.

If Israel puts down its guns, and Hamas doesnt, were still talking about dead Israeli civilians and rocket attacks from Gaza.

Thats the problem.

FUCKING LOL. What a way to announce you have no idea whats going on

After the situation with Danny Masterson

Youre not wrong. But who is?

At this point, I completely convinced that hockeybub is just a batshit insane anti-Semite that's willing to justify any killing that Hamas does. Probably would sing praises if a bunch of temples were destroyed across the US and EU while calling for the execution anyone who even looks at a mosque funny

I wouldn't be surprised if you did, tbh.

The term genocide usually means that the population of victims of said genocide goes down, not up. What is happening to the Palestinians does not met the criteria of the term Genocide.

Is it awful? Absolutely. Disproportionate at this point? Probably. Justified - debatable at best and only the most die hard Zionists at this point. At this point, its clear that the seige of Gaza constitutes a war crime. (Although I believe that all wars are crimes in some way.) I mean Hamas has kidnapped children and its nice to know someone is actually willing to do something to get them back, but given the body count on the other side, Ill concede the point.

Youre out of your mind if you think thats what your reaction would be. I know what its like to see those damn rockets flying towards Tel Aviv. Someone shoots at you, your family, you want them dead. Which is probably why its a good idea that the families of military and government officials be protected by the secret service.

And if Im Israel, I dont play chicken or the egg with the history of the conflict while those assholes have someones kids in a bunker somewhere. The hell with that.

I definitely dislike Islam more than I do the country of Israel. I just don't know why people have such a hard time seeing the truth that both sides are evil. It's frustrating when people refuse to have the correct opinions.

EVERY city is "full of civilians"

We keep asking you guys how Israel can wipe out Hamas while avoiding any civilian deaths

We keep asking you guys how Israel can wipe out Hamas while avoiding any civilian deaths when literally no military on earth has every been able to do that w/ urban combat and Hamas's entire strategy is embedding with and shielding behind civilians? Still waiting for that amazing plan.

God, what a crappy "prison" they're running that somehow Palestine ends up with thousands of rockets and guns and all that stashed fuel. Imagine if any other "prison" on earth was that unsecured.

And my comment was in response to someone saying Palestinians will hate Israel now...
As if they didn't already hate them so much that the second those "prison" walls came down they went on a murder rampage.

Im not writing paragraphs of info in the span of minutes. Thats the difference.

Im sorry but theres no way you posted all that in such a short time span. You sound like a bot.

I dont see how Israel have contaminated the water. Theyve made is hard for Gaza to have access to water. Completely get that. Where is that part on contamination though?

Also you post like a chat bot lol.

What do you mean by contaminating local resources?

So you're using fascist as a term for when a state does something bad?

Cutting off essential supplies is not something only fascists can do, you know? Throwing around the word fascist at anything you don't like undermines the word.

And excrete waste from his armpits and thighs instead of his penis and anus.

1. Spiders dont pee.
2. They poop just like ever thning else, from their anus.

How many fingers am I holding up?

Ewoks

Who is?

You are upset about an article saying beheaded babies did happen?

Ummm....

What to do with this information is a matter of politics but getting upset that the truth was investigated is very strange.

Did the beheaded babies exist or was it just Israeli propaganda?

Probably some users had the kneejerk reaction when they first heard this story and said immediately it was fake and now they have to eat crow and don't like that.

So long as they weren't directly targeted, then it's a false equivalency. All wars have kids dies. It shouldn't happen, but it does. That's pretty different than *deliberately* targeting children for murder.

There's plenty legit critism of Israel without having to play this game, here.

Who is?

The Dark Brandan saga has really gone off the rails if now he's suddenly the leader of Hamas.