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TopicWhat's some questions you've always wanted to ask a black guy?
legendary_zell
10/31/17 9:49:57 PM
#60
WizardPowers posted...
what's up with educated black people using ebonics sometimes but not normally?

honest question >__>


Code Switching. You use it when it's appropriate, when you want to sound more sincere or down to earth. Or maybe that's the way they actually talk and they're actually code switching to sound more "educated" in order to be taken seriously.
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TopicWhat's some questions you've always wanted to ask a black guy?
legendary_zell
10/31/17 9:11:51 PM
#13
Bad_Mojo posted...
This is only for the ones that really enjoy rap

In the early 90s I was one of those younger kids that was out defending the rap culture and letting everyone know that the offensive stuff that said wasn't an issue because of freedom of speech.

So why can your favorite rappers call men homophobic stuff, black people the n-word and all sorts of horrible things in general, but then fold when a white man simply says the n-word, or makes a joke about the food you might eat?


There's no defense for the homophobia, but the N-word is a different N-word. There's not many rappers or black people hitting anyone with the hard R and that still means what it's always meant. The way rappers use it has long been equivalent to a stronger version of bro, based on common history and struggle and both intentional and unintentional changes in language and meaning. White people can sometimes use it, but it continues to be dangerous considering....the context of all of US history when it comes to white people saying the hard R.
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Topicwow BignutzisBack's hair transplant story went viral on imgur
legendary_zell
10/31/17 1:23:37 AM
#8
I'm not gonna lie, it looks better than expected, but still, it's not worth the time, effort, and expense. It's alright to be bald, just focus on other things like beards, clothes, personality, and overall fitness.
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TopicGeorge Clooney's liberal propaganda movie is getting killed on Rotten Tomatoes
legendary_zell
10/28/17 9:06:03 PM
#55
Have you read even one of the reviews for this movie? They are all giving it the same criticism, that it's two movies that could have been good on their own blended together for no apparent reason and full of cliches. The main criticism about the "liberal propoganda" part is that the black characters in the movie are just a prop for an outdated and perfunctory pro civil rights/anti-discrimination message that discriminates against its own black characters by giving them no character, exposition, or motivation, they just smile and look dignified while bad stuff happens to them.

You are incredibly transparent in every way.
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TopicHitter gets 5 game suspension next season for Asian eyes after HR
legendary_zell
10/28/17 4:31:40 PM
#14
I'm an Astros fan and he definitely should have been suspended a WS game, as much as that hurts to say. Blatant racism like that deserves a meaningful punishment.
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TopicWhy do people get so into sports?
legendary_zell
10/26/17 7:47:22 PM
#55
It's about narratives, just like any other entertainment. It's about the stories of individuals, teams, coaches, cities, countries. There's ups and down, twists and turns, jubilation and heartbreak, redemption, disgrace, scandal, political overtones, incredible feats of human achievement. It's never ending, there's never a series finale, those on the bottom could be on the top, there's growth overtime on the individual and group level. It's pretty obvious why sports are and always have been so popular if people would spend even 10 seconds thinking about it rather than sneering down their nose. Watch a 30 for 30 and it should become pretty damn clear.
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Topic13-Year-Old White Teen in Ohio Violently Beaten by 9 Blacks over Jordan shoes...
legendary_zell
10/26/17 7:42:50 PM
#156
This is the epitome of the type of fake news that was spread around during the election. Even if the events are real, the news is certainly fake and meant explicitly to stoke white grievance, which it obviously is, judging by the rants in this topic about black work ethic, fatherhood, violence, reluctance to report on violence against whites etc. All when the race of the perpetrators has not even been revealed and there is no concrete evidence it's even relevant.

People like Admiral in this topic are hyperventilating and buying into biased news that sells racist narratives. Except they're not even doing it on behalf of minorities, it's against minorities and on behalf of white men.
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TopicFilipino President is pretty badass
legendary_zell
10/24/17 1:27:39 AM
#57
Fishy posted...
legendary_zell posted...
"But you don't get it you ignorant Westerner's, our problem is really bad" is not an argument for justifying or ignoring widespread human rights violations. Doing drugs or selling them is not a death worthy offense, and even if it was, a mere accusation shouldn't be enough to justify anyone's death, point blank period. This ends justifies the means logic and dehumanization of "druggies and dealers" is exactly how a whole country goes insane, see Rwanda, Nazi Germany, basically anywhere with widely supported violence like this. You can attack Westerners all you want but you can't morally or legally defend what's being done, regardless of a drug problem.

It doesn't help your argument that the drug problem is as always a symptom of other societal infirmities and yet the response is to kill the victims.

This man is doing what he thinks is right to fix his country, and guess what? It's working. Economy? One of the fastest growing in Asia. The drug problem is being dealt with daily. Morality is subjective, we're arguing facts. These people aren't being attacked for something they cannot control like skin color or a belief like religion. Their vice is a detriment to themselves and society and they are given a choice: stop or die. And it seems like many prefer death.


So its correctness depends on whether it works or not? If it hadn't worked it suddenly would be wrong to kill people in mass for suspected addictions or suspected dealing? That's just one of the gaping holes in this world view. The fact is that thousands of people have been killed rather than helped through oppressive government and vigilante action. The fact is that damn near everyone outside of the country can understand clearly why this is unjustifiable. The fact is that if it was happening somewhere else, you would be able to see it too. The fact is that if a country can't grow its economy and give people enough hope not do and sell drugs en mass, it is fundamentally fucked up and killing people won't address the deeply rooted issues or create lasting security. What there is now is a police state, a vigilante mob, and an emboldened autocrat.
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TopicFilipino President is pretty badass
legendary_zell
10/24/17 1:17:38 AM
#55
CrazyandLazy posted...
legendary_zell posted...
"But you don't get it you ignorant Westerner's, our problem is really bad" is not an argument for justifying or ignoring widespread human rights violations. Doing drugs or selling them is not a death worthy offense, and even if it was, a mere accusation shouldn't be enough to justify anyone's death, point blank period. This ends justifies the means logic and dehumanization of "druggies and dealers" is exactly how a whole country goes insane, see Rwanda, Nazi Germany, basically anywhere with widely supported violence like this. You can attack Westerners all you want but you can't morally or legally defend what's being done, regardless of a drug problem.

It doesn't help your argument that the drug problem is as always a symptom of other societal infirmities and yet the response is to kill the victims.


Pass your sanctimonious speech to all the Filipinos living in the Philippines, not me.

They are finally enjoying the same level of security as you do, being able to go out freely in public, in the daytime and *gasp* nighttime as well.


Talking about not killing on whims for non-capital offenses isn't sanctimony. This "only we can judge is attitude" is literally a country-wide sickness. I don't know if you'll ever admit that but the rest of the world and history aren't as blinded by a cult of personality and willingness to sacrifices other people's lives and rights for security.
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TopicFilipino President is pretty badass
legendary_zell
10/24/17 1:04:11 AM
#46
"But you don't get it you ignorant Westerner's, our problem is really bad" is not an argument for justifying or ignoring widespread human rights violations. Doing drugs or selling them is not a death worthy offense, and even if it was, a mere accusation shouldn't be enough to justify anyone's death, point blank period. This ends justifies the means logic and dehumanization of "druggies and dealers" is exactly how a whole country goes insane, see Rwanda, Nazi Germany, basically anywhere with widely supported violence like this. You can attack Westerners all you want but you can't morally or legally defend what's being done, regardless of a drug problem.

It doesn't help your argument that the drug problem is as always a symptom of other societal infirmities and yet the response is to kill the victims.
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TopicLOL Lil Pump!
legendary_zell
10/24/17 12:55:31 AM
#6
Bih i fleh Rih Roh
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TopicWhat's the difference between equal opportunities and equal outcomes?
legendary_zell
10/23/17 9:50:08 PM
#8
Nomadic View posted...
Its still equal opportunity. It doesnt mean that everyone has the same skill set. Some people will always have advantageous skill sets for a task, but the person that doesnt have those skills still has the opportunity to enter a program through the same process and same standards that everyone is held to. The individual with advanced skills going in prior certainly has an advantage, but the opportunity is the same.


Talking about these things in terms of skill sets makes it sound more equal, more voluntary, and more controllable than it actually is. I also want to make sure I understand the implications of what you're saying. An opportunity from what I understand you to be saying is different from a chance as in the likelihood that x outcome will actually happen. And that is different from equal outcomes.

Maybe the real disconnect here is what we think happens after the race begins and whether its a true meritocracy.

It just seems like equal opportunity is little more than a declaration that we have it and does little to advance toward a more just or equal society, to combat past oppression etc.

The Admiral posted...
It's the difference between interviewing a diverse range of candidates and implementing strict racial quotas.


Maybe this is closer to the difference. Equal outcomes would certainly be closest to the latter. But whether simply interviewing everyone is sufficient to equalize opportunity isn't as clear. For example, in the legal profession, there were tons of kids with thoroughly mediocre or even below average grades who just so happened to be related to or know partners and hiring managers at big law firms. They are now working at these extremely competitive, prestigious, and high paying places when other's were interviewed, but these positions ended up being filled through the old boy's system anyway. That doesn't seem like any form of equal anything to me. Again for there to be any type of equality, there would need to be some consistent connection between the interviews, the diversity of the applicant pool, and the actual hiring. Which gets into equal outcomes range in my mind. Where am I wrong here?
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TopicWhat's the difference between equal opportunities and equal outcomes?
legendary_zell
10/23/17 8:18:26 PM
#5
Nomadic View posted...
Equal opportunity:
Everyone is given the same test.

Equal outcome:
Everyone makes the same grade.


Okay, this is interesting. Is just the mere offering of the same test sufficient to offer equal opportunity? That seems like a version of equality that ignores almost every part of society other than a standardized test or approval from a gatekeeper. A little research reveals meanings that range from mere possibility to a set of circumstances or an favorable situation.

It's a set of circumstances that makes it possible for something to happen

a favorable combination of circumstances, time, and place

an occasion or situation that makes it possible to do something that you want to do or have to do, or the possibility of doing something

Regardless of having the same exam to complete, I wouldn't say my friend's student who just moved here from Venezuela has equal opportunity to a native english speaker with a private tutor.

If that's all it means, and I don't think that's what most people think it means, people sure as hell wouldn't be so proud about allegedly having it. By that metric, most things we do don't even matter, we just have to outwardly hold everyone to the same standard.
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TopicWhat's the difference between equal opportunities and equal outcomes?
legendary_zell
10/23/17 7:29:29 PM
#3
gguirao posted...
Equal opportunity means everyone has a chance to succeed, but they will only succeed if they use that opportunity wisely.


So it's pure chance in the abstract sense? As in it's not literally impossible for x result to occur? Or is it something more than that?
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TopicLondon now more dangerous than New York City, crime stats suggest
legendary_zell
10/21/17 12:32:12 PM
#81
This is a ridiculous topic. NYC isn't dangerous, terror attacks don't cause increases in crime like this, the police force has been cut, but people still wanna reflexively "London-stan" and have no problem citing the Daily Mail because it supports their anti-brown people, "western civilization is under attack" narrative here.
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TopicRichard Spencer what group is he part of?
legendary_zell
10/20/17 11:15:54 PM
#17
action52 posted...
boxington posted...
PutUpYourDukes posted...
alt right. i dont think he believes whites are better than everyone else tho. i dont follow him so i cant be sure tbqh. might just have to punch him in the face just in case.

he does, though.

What he would say is probably, he doesn't think whites are biologically superior just culturally superior. Therefore he's not really a white supremacist. If you asked him to explain further how this is possible he would probably give some long-winded rationalization that doesn't make sense.


Same with how peaceful ethnic cleansing could somehow be a thing. People should just ask him for detailed plans for that from now. He would surely say something that would reveal to even the most oblivious person how dangerous this guy's ideas are.
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TopicWhat's the difference between equal opportunities and equal outcomes?
legendary_zell
10/20/17 8:51:10 PM
#1
I often hear these presented as if they're completely different things. I hear people say we have equal opportunity and that's what people deserve, rather than equal outcomes. It seems like those are pretty closely related though. Living in a nice, safe neighborhood with good schools is certainly an outcome, but it's also the foundation of opportunity as well.

Can anyone explain how they differ then and how you have equality of opportunity without some rough equality of resources?
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TopicNRA is offering MURDER INSURANCE incase you KILL Someone!!
legendary_zell
10/20/17 1:36:01 AM
#15
Offworlder1 posted...
Way to twist the shit out of what this actually is, this is for when someone shoots in self defense or shoots to keep a family member safe.

The insurance is there so even a good shoot or reasonable shot does not financially bankrupt the person defending themself due to court fees. This insurance is not to allow anyone to kill random people and have a defense, it is for people defending their home, loved ones, or themselves against an actual threat.

Many people have no idea how bad it gets for a person who has to go to court because they shot a person breaking into their home, or trying to harm them on the street. The insurance is so the good people have a good defense and dont waste crap tons of money to prove they were in the right.


Considering the fact that the NRA is silent about or even outright defends even the most questionable of "shoots" (aka killings/murders), this isn't a great point. They are always going to be reluctant to come out against any shooting because it's pretty hard to oppose a shooting and then reflexively oppose any and all gun control measures. Combine that with people who fantasize shooting someone, the inability of most people (even trained officers) to fairly and accurately assess threats, and the inevitability of moral hazard in insurance markets and this is a transparently bad idea.

The only way to argue against this is to argue that moral hazard will not be an issue in this instance AND that the NRA will have 100 percent accuracy in telling good shoots from bad shoots, even though their incentive has always been to defend or stay silent an all shoots.
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TopicMy sister is taking a bath with my pet goldfish >_>
legendary_zell
10/16/17 1:39:48 AM
#24
Is this a light novel?
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TopicBannon says GOP senators should denounce Bob Corker
legendary_zell
10/14/17 3:32:23 PM
#14
So the President should be immune from criticism about foreign policy during wartime? That's a pretty damn dangerous precedent that would definitely give presidents some terrible incentives. It's also especially rich because Breitbart attacked Obama daily despite having kids in the field. Trump is also a strange person to go to bat for considering his comments on the military and veterans.

This guy is such a transparently evil cynic and an example of everything wrong with modern politics.
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Topic'Dear Conquered People' - what's your opinion on this meme?
legendary_zell
10/12/17 9:58:55 PM
#30
WaffIeElite posted...
legendary_zell posted...
Disgusting. This is why conservative "comedy" gets criticized. Literally taking pride in talking down to marginalized people and celebrating their brutal repression and the gains won from it.

I bet you anything that the person who wrote this and is reveling in the domination imposed by his ancestors would throw a fit if you suggested reparations for racial discrimination because "that was my ancestors, I've never oppressed everyone, my family were Irish immigrants who moved here in 2016"


It's not 'pride', it's about telling people to shut the fuck up about claiming to be victims for something they weren't victims of, and blaming people who weren't responsible. Shit happened in the past, fucking grow up and deal with it. I don't go around throwing a pity party about what the Nazis did to my family, expecting free shit and sympathy.


LMAO, I shouldn't even respond because you're Waffle, but I'll do it for the sake of the people who might read this. Do you even know what the word pride means? That "meme" is dripping with pride. The writer is clearly coming from a perspective of European pride/Supremacy. You can see it clear as day that they are taking pride AND destroying your "we didn't do it" point (that I already anticipated and addressed in the post you're quoting) when they say "you want us to regret being better than you".

That's clearly taking both credit and pride for their ancestor's conquest. You can't take credit and then reject it when it doesn't suit you. It makes it even clearer when it says "you want apologies from people who were smarter and stronger than you and who won". They're claiming pride and membership in the group that won through oppression.

Disputing that is either disingenuous or a confession that you can't read.

I don't know how you can say Native Americans stuck on reservations with their culture destroyed and land taken aren't victims of the very acts that resulted in those outcomes. I mean they don't have what they would have otherwise had. The past and the present aren't alternate universes or even disconnected, they are intimately connected. Everything happening today is a result of things done in the past, by nature.
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Topic'Dear Conquered People' - what's your opinion on this meme?
legendary_zell
10/12/17 9:37:02 PM
#14
Disgusting. This is why conservative "comedy" gets criticized. Literally taking pride in talking down to marginalized people and celebrating their brutal repression and the gains won from it.

I bet you anything that the person who wrote this and is reveling in the domination imposed by his ancestors would throw a fit if you suggested reparations for racial discrimination because "that was my ancestors, I've never oppressed everyone, my family were Irish immigrants who moved here in 2016"
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Topicit seems like liberals are mad at eminem, any one else notice this?
legendary_zell
10/12/17 9:32:51 PM
#14
darkphoenix181 posted...
a WHITE man who is rapping

CULTURAL

APPROPRIATION

oh this is about something else? I just thought they wouldn't like m&m because of that


I don't think anyone has really accused him of appropriation since like 98. The guy is entrenched in and fully appreciative of the culture at a level that converted even the biggest skeptics a long time ago. He's paying tribute and contributing, not appropriating.

That said, I don't think it's really liberals criticizing him, it's leftists (socialists and social critics) mostly. Liberals are the ones praising him. Leftists are criticizing him for things like the "we love our troops" line.
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TopicTerry Crews shares his story of being sexually assaulted.
legendary_zell
10/10/17 9:27:06 PM
#21
Darmik posted...
leverageblargh posted...
Why is this guy lumping in Tarantino and Spielberg with Weinstein


Because they're all people in similar positions. He's not saying they're guilty of doing anything wrong. But they certainly do have the power to shut down people in the industry if they wanted. Hell Spielberg basically made Shia LaBeouf's career for example and it's a helluva lot harder to make a career than it is to destroy it.

Funnily enough there have been some weird rumors about Tarantino and feet though.


Yep, I'm not saying they've done anything, though Tarantino is obviously a weird guy. But I would say it would be next to impossible to have a career in Hollywood if Spielberg didn't want you to. Because he could crush you or just crush the people who would potentially give you a shot and no one is gonna stick their neck out for a young Jennifer Lawrence for example, pre-anything. And people are generally in Hollywood because they REALLY wanted to have a career in Hollywood.
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TopicTerry Crews shares his story of being sexually assaulted.
legendary_zell
10/10/17 8:47:20 PM
#16
Darmik posted...
Good on him for coming out with this. Some of these Hollywood execs are disgusting people.

I was going to kick his ass right then but I thought twice about how the whole thing would appear. 240 lbs. Black Man stomps out Hollywood Honcho would be the headline the next day


Whos going 2 believe you? ( few) What r the repercussions?(many) Do u want 2 work again? (Yes) R you prepared 2b ostracized?(No)


Sad shit


This is the core of why people don't "just go to the police" as if it's that easy. Someone like this, Tarantino, Spielberg, Weinstein can absolutely destroy your life, especially if you're a nobody just starting out, which is probably why you're meeting with them in the first place. Even someone as popular and well loved as Crews was terrified and thought it wouldn't go well for him. And he's STILL not naming names.

If you're just starting out, they can crush you, ostracize you, get someone in the NY Post to say you just wanted money and publicity. If you're an up and comer or established star, they can do the same. If you're an old legend, you can say they can say you're ungrateful and you're trying to revive your dead career. I've seen all of these reactions on this very board with Weinstein before the avalanche in the past few days and even more with Cosby.

Incredibly toxic and disgusting things happen when reports of sexual assault are made against the powerful.
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TopicWhy do late night comedians not show they are unbiased by condemning Weinstein?
legendary_zell
10/09/17 9:58:46 PM
#21
Because he was powerful enough in Hollywood to have open secrets. He was powerful enough for Meryl Streep to literally call him God. No one was willing to mess with that type of power until he has already been disgraced. It's the same reason why the women harassed and the people they told/witnesses didn't come forward either.

We're definitely going to see the floodgates open now that he's been fired, isolated, and separated from his power source. I don't think it has much of anything to do with his liberalism.
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TopicResearchers claim those who listen to Rap music are likely psychopaths
legendary_zell
10/06/17 7:31:32 PM
#61
There's tons of rap songs that aren't about violence! Here are some of my favorite examples.




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TopicBreitbart And Milo Yiannopoulos collaborated with Nazis
legendary_zell
10/05/17 9:53:08 PM
#69
2SweetforTurtle posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
2SweetforTurtle posted...
Milo isn't a fucking nazi. He's a gay jew engaged to a black man lmao


"I have a black friend, I'm totally not racist!"


Are you fucking serious!? Saying "I have a black friend" is completely fucking different from literally agreeing to sign your life away to a black person. He's been open about his relationship history with black men, and is now marrying one. How the fuck can you say he's still racist?

The dude repeatedly denounces racism but people still claim he's racists citing fucking videos where he says that according to FBI statistics, black on black violence is high. Oh so racist.

*proceeds to share video of Milo drunk off his ass surrounded by racist POS, but not participating in their racist shit*


This type of logic has never made sense. All throughout history, people have liked, lusted after and even loved specific individuals in a group that they overall hate. Being racist, sexist, etc has never meant hating every single person within a group. Slaveowners legit fell in love with slaves and had children with them, that certainly didn't stop them from being racist. You can think one member of a group is swell while still thinking horrible things about almost everyone else.
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TopicHave you ever had strep throat?
legendary_zell
10/04/17 11:26:36 PM
#23
Had it back in elementary school and it was one of the worst experiences of my life. I couldn't eat or drink, I couldn't move. My throat was bleeding. I got a fever that damn near cooked my brain, to the point that when it went down and my mom checked it when it got home, it was still almost 105. I'll never forget it.
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Topicjapanese girl makes a living off her folding OCD by folding people's clothes
legendary_zell
10/03/17 3:50:07 PM
#3
Sounds like a great anime premise.
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TopicBlack Student Group at Cornell says school is letting in too many foreign blacks
legendary_zell
10/01/17 3:18:43 PM
#85
uwnim posted...
legendary_zell posted...
uwnim posted...
legendary_zell posted...
This is actually a pretty legit issue and something that's been coming for a long time. People who don't experience it wouldn't know it, but there's always been a notable divide between African black people and African Americans. People on the outside often view us the same, except for when African black people's achievement is being used as a weapon and a twist on the whole model minority thing.

I'm a Nigerian American so I have no reason to agree with the students at Cornell. But the truth is that the people who can come to America do NOT start off in the same hole as American black people. We aren't dealing with the same oppression, historical racism, etc. Our parents are very often educated. They are incredibly driven because they were willing to leave everything they've ever known to come here. We were often middle class or above in our old country so when we come here, we're nowhere near as poor as someone living in a racialized ghetto in NYC or the projects in Louisiana.

Basically, we are relatively advantaged because the racism we face is related purely to skin color, not the history of American racism. That's where they're coming from and they're right in that sense. That doesn't mean their approach here is the right one at all though.

It's not. The right approach is to figure out how to properly integrate African Americans into the greater society. In the past, they were encouraged to group together and then development projects would be designed to worsen conditions in those areas. Often people in those areas get caught up in a self destructive feedback loop.


That's not necessarily an indication that their strategy was wrong. It's more an indication that society at the time was willing to do anything they could to screw over and isolate African Americans. Anything. Integration efforts sure as hell wouldn't have worked at the time that separatism was actually being tried. Plus economic factors like poverty and government policy/private discrimination like redlining and racially restrictive covenants had much more of an affect on racial grouping than any conscious decision for black people to live near each other.

That's kind of what I meant by being encouraged to group together. Probably not really strong enough of a word choice.
Anyways, the real point was that a lot of the sources of the problems african americans face are because of that stuff so I'd think trying to figure out how to undo it would work well to improve things.


Oh, I get it now, my mistake. Yeah, we basically need equal pressure going the opposite way now. But it's not gonna work based on the experiments in the 60-80s with busing and stuff. It worked before because it was a socially, politically, and economically powerless minority group being excluded by the powerful majority. To go the opposite way seems to require the minority group to somehow force their way or be allowed into the spaces occupied by the majority. If you look at the persistence of racial separation, we haven't gone as far as many people think.
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TopicBlack Student Group at Cornell says school is letting in too many foreign blacks
legendary_zell
10/01/17 3:07:21 PM
#82
Callixtus posted...
I think it's a pretty significant critique of affirmative action that a lot of the spots go to African and Caribbean immigrants and their children many of whom come from educated and relatively wealthy families, instead of redressing the historical effects on native American Blacks who suffered hundreds of years of oppression here.

I've gone to a few elite universities and Africans/Caribbeans and their descendants are typically close to 50% of the black population, even though they are a small portion of the actual population. According to wikipedia, native black people are "well over 80%" of the black population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans#Demographics


Yep. I went to law school and a noticeably disproportionate amount of the black people there were African (Nigerian specifically). Same thing with my undergrad. Probably a full 60 percent of the black people there were African. Especially at the law school, none of them were poor. We were definitely not the underprivileged generally considering I was probably the poorest of them all and my family wasn't really poor at all. Lower middle class was the lowest to make it there.
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TopicBlack Student Group at Cornell says school is letting in too many foreign blacks
legendary_zell
10/01/17 3:00:10 PM
#78
uwnim posted...
legendary_zell posted...
This is actually a pretty legit issue and something that's been coming for a long time. People who don't experience it wouldn't know it, but there's always been a notable divide between African black people and African Americans. People on the outside often view us the same, except for when African black people's achievement is being used as a weapon and a twist on the whole model minority thing.

I'm a Nigerian American so I have no reason to agree with the students at Cornell. But the truth is that the people who can come to America do NOT start off in the same hole as American black people. We aren't dealing with the same oppression, historical racism, etc. Our parents are very often educated. They are incredibly driven because they were willing to leave everything they've ever known to come here. We were often middle class or above in our old country so when we come here, we're nowhere near as poor as someone living in a racialized ghetto in NYC or the projects in Louisiana.

Basically, we are relatively advantaged because the racism we face is related purely to skin color, not the history of American racism. That's where they're coming from and they're right in that sense. That doesn't mean their approach here is the right one at all though.

It's not. The right approach is to figure out how to properly integrate African Americans into the greater society. In the past, they were encouraged to group together and then development projects would be designed to worsen conditions in those areas. Often people in those areas get caught up in a self destructive feedback loop.


That's not necessarily an indication that their strategy was wrong. It's more an indication that society at the time was willing to do anything they could to screw over and isolate African Americans. Anything. Integration efforts sure as hell wouldn't have worked at the time that separatism was actually being tried. Plus economic factors like poverty and government policy/private discrimination like redlining and racially restrictive covenants had much more of an affect on racial grouping than any conscious decision for black people to live near each other.
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TopicBlack Student Group at Cornell says school is letting in too many foreign blacks
legendary_zell
10/01/17 2:48:02 PM
#68
This is actually a pretty legit issue and something that's been coming for a long time. People who don't experience it wouldn't know it, but there's always been a notable divide between African black people and African Americans. People on the outside often view us the same, except for when African black people's achievement is being used as a weapon and a twist on the whole model minority thing.

I'm a Nigerian American so I have no reason to agree with the students at Cornell. But the truth is that the people who can come to America do NOT start off in the same hole as American black people. We aren't dealing with the same oppression, historical racism, etc. Our parents are very often educated. They are incredibly driven because they were willing to leave everything they've ever known to come here. We were often middle class or above in our old country so when we come here, we're nowhere near as poor as someone living in a racialized ghetto in NYC or the projects in Louisiana.

Basically, we are relatively advantaged because the racism we face is related purely to skin color, not the history of American racism. That's where they're coming from and they're right in that sense. That doesn't mean their approach here is the right one at all though.
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Topicin the age of 3d printing, is it wrong to download a car or a house?
legendary_zell
09/29/17 10:44:17 PM
#9
In a heartbeat and I'd sleep like a baby.
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TopicPuerto Ricans et al are literally second-class citizens
legendary_zell
09/29/17 7:44:10 PM
#19
Bagamak posted...
andel posted...
they have, just pure evil republicans want them to remain second class citizens

i'm not going to take your seriously if you paint an entire side of the country as pure evil. both main parties are full of shit. don't act superior


Why shouldn't someone act superior for NOT wanting millions of people to be second class citizens? Seems like wanting to someone to be kept in that status out of a fear that the other side will gain politically is a kinda crappy (dare I say inferior?) view.
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TopicLouisiana high school will remove players from football team if they kneel.
legendary_zell
09/28/17 11:18:12 PM
#36
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Capn Circus posted...
We'll have to see what happens. But the left shouldn't be in outrage mode over this, as it falls in line with many of their silencing values.


Earlier . . .

Capn Circus posted...
Good.


So are you an authoritarian liberal now in favor of censorship?


He's just an all around....not good person. Every post on every issue makes it more clear, it's not just race. It's embarrassing.
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TopicLouisiana high school will remove players from football team if they kneel.
legendary_zell
09/28/17 11:09:25 PM
#26
If you defend this, I BETTER not see you talking about defending what the flag stands for, history, law and order, free speech etc. Defending this proves you don't care about any of those values and proves you are what you project liberals to be: a vindictive person who wants to see those with opinions you don't like punished.Even when they are peacefully expressed, and even including children.
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TopicLouisiana high school will remove players from football team if they kneel.
legendary_zell
09/28/17 11:06:32 PM
#25
Blatantly illegal, and even the football screen of "all the players who kneel are suddenly not good" won't be able to save him after he announced his blatantly unconstitutional intent.

This is a government employee squashing the free speech rights of a student, not a private individual choosing not to associate with another private individual.
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TopicWhat do liberals mean when they speak of equality?
legendary_zell
09/28/17 7:33:19 PM
#62
I feel like some of you people have never even talked to a liberal the way you strawman them. This topic is a ridiculous circlejerk.

Very few liberals believe anything that has been said in this topic, but of course you don't wanna grapple with that because then you'd have to have the very difficult debate about how much equality of opportunity can really exist in a system without even a rough equality of resources, racism, sexism, classism, etc.

I had no idea that all this time leftists really just wanted to stay at home and play Halo while having the nanny state pay for it. Coulda fooled me with all the....non-caricature views real people have instead of Facebook post/grandma's 50x forwarded chainmail liberals.
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TopicMichelle Obama: Women who didnt vote for Clinton voted against their own voice
legendary_zell
09/28/17 1:32:04 AM
#65
EternalDivide posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
Bagamak posted...
I've never like Michelle Obama. Pretty much everytime she opens her mouth she says something idiotic

Or makes school lunch fucking disgusting while her kids eat like royalty.

These.

Remember when she first got in there and the media was trying to push so damn hard the idea that she and her Wal-Mart style clothes made her the most stylish woman in the white house since Jackie. "She's beautiful, so graceful, so eloquent." Uh, no. Just no. Not in any version of reality did that woman exist in the same galaxy as Jackie or most all the other first ladies. So seeing an actual supermodel being first lady now amuses me to no end. It must piss off that woman so bad. She always came off as thinking she was just so much better than everyone. Knew what's best for everyone (as the topic again shows) like every leftist. It must have made her madder than a wet cat having to stand next to Melania on inauguration day and face actual model class looks.


I don't usually make posts like this but the bitterness and salt is palpable. You talk about her like she threw your dog off a cliff.
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TopicMichelle Obama: Women who didnt vote for Clinton voted against their own voice
legendary_zell
09/27/17 10:39:49 PM
#7
People might bristle against this, but in what way has Trump been good for women? People can't paint Hillary as a feminazi that was going to ride into office on the back of the "I'm with Her" wave and then argue women wouldn't have been better off under her.
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Topic"Black people are more likely to commit crime according to statistics"
legendary_zell
09/27/17 8:31:06 PM
#109
qyll3 posted...
_Near_ posted...
qyll3 posted...

Asian also immigrated to the US and mostly arrived with very little wealth but already had the highest median income of any ethnicity in 1988 (first available year of data for Asians). Wouldn't this contradict your assessment?


Weren't kept as slaves (to the same extent. almost incomparable). Weren't discriminated as badly as black people.


Is the last part true? From what I've read, Asian immigrants faced massive amounts of discrimination comparable to blacks up through the 1960s.


It was definitely bad, but not comparable to what blacks faced. And while early Asian immigrants were poorer, more recent ones are far less poor than other immigrant groups, except for the Hmong populations/refugees etc. Chattel slavery and all of the political, social, and economic things that surrounded it is definitely a pretty damn big difference btw.
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TopicUnicersity bans research into transexials who regret their decision.
legendary_zell
09/26/17 8:26:14 PM
#105
Virus731 posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Oh no, acceptance! Please don't force that on me!


why can't they accept themselves without ridiculous and unnecessary surgery? if you were born a man in a woman's body, I guess you should accept yourself

oh I identify as a dolphin so I guess I'm a dolphin

oh no wait I'm a person, guess I'll just deal with it

inb4youdon'tknowhowharditistobeme

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It's pretty clear this has nothing to do with science for you, you have very clear views on this entire subject and they're not based on empirical studies. You, like several others in this topic have already come to a conclusion about therapy and trans people as a whole and this reliance on "I just care about science" is transparent AF. This is just another excuse for you to fight another battle in the culture wars and post disparaging things towards trans people.
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TopicIf the NCAA paid athletes, how would it be divided up?
legendary_zell
09/24/17 8:05:16 PM
#36
Twin3Turbo posted...
darkjedilink posted...
I already addressed that point - they aren't "gifts." It's quid pro quo. That quid pro quo is literally why it isn't allowed, because it used to be, and lead to people throwing games.

And you still haven't actually answered my question - name one place that pays its employees in food, housing, education, AND money.

Dude, you literally didn't address my point.

Here let me ask it a different way. Why aren't NCAA athletes allowed to make money in any other way. They literally can't have a job at a grocery store. They can't sign with Nike. They can't do anything for money. How will having a job a a grocery store affect competitive balance. I'll help you out. It doesn't.

In regards to your second question, a couple of things. To answer it directly, plenty. For example, a coworker of mine has a husband works in some sort of IT field. He is out of town in Denver very often, for multiple weeks in a row for many weeks in the year, so much so that him and his co-workers that travel with him have an apartment that they share. Guess who pays for his expenses, including housing and food out there? I'll help you out, not him.

On a broader note, who the hell are we to limit what they can receive as payment or perks? That's about as un-American as it gets.


I applied for a position with a consulting firm. It involves tons of travel. To the point where you spend 4-6 days out of town per work week. The firm pays for everything associated with that because if they didn't, the job would make no sense financially.
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TopicIf the NCAA paid athletes, how would it be divided up?
legendary_zell
09/24/17 8:03:20 PM
#35
They get housing, food, etc because preparation for games at that level is a job, takes all their mental and physical energy, and they cannot get other jobs because of the rules and the time commitment for the games. Without the non-cash payments, there's no way they could even be there without the payments. But that's still hideously under-compensating a lot of players.
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TopicSo it looks like Merkel won
legendary_zell
09/24/17 5:23:32 PM
#72
Somehow having more Mexican American's means that real Americans are being bred out, and Americans is definitely not code for white people.

Having people born in and loyal to the US who have never lived in Mexico somehow means we'd be giving back Texas and California?

But you're not racist?
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