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josifrees posted...

Im not the one who thought it was illegal you got the wrong guy.

I just disagreed with your stance that the information was useless

It wasn't against the rules because it doesn't give you an advantage. And even going by what you've said, the only benefit is one of convenience. So yeah it makes it simpler to decide defensive signals, but literally every single shred of information that you can get from recording them can be acquired without recording them. That's the point.

Plus this whole "you don't know anything about football!" Tirade was childish and makes it really hard to take you seriously. Idk why people like you immediately resort to those kind of immature antics but I can promise you that they never have nor will they ever help your argument in any way shape or form.
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iClockwork posted...

nicklebro posted...

This is now the third time I've challenged you to prove anything you've said. Literally anything.

Something tells me the best I'll get is some more "can't believe you didn't know this" nonsense about some completely irrelevant bullshit that does nothing to help your argument.

So how's the time to actually say something with actual substance.

Because names such as Matt Estrella are base level players in the scandal that you should be familiar with yet you aren't which proves you have no idea what spygate was.

Try to paint it as "irrelevant" all you want but it only strengthens the argument against you.

The name of the cameraman is literally irrelevant, lol but thank you for proving me right. You can't prove a single thing you said. Literally nothing. The only rational conclusion to be made is that you're completely full of shit, which is what happens when someone talks out of their ass. Hell we can go back to the first thing you said, that spygate had nothing to do with where the cameraman was placed on the field. Lol but now you're saying that the name of that cameraman is somehow an important detail of the spygate scandal.

So tell me, if what Mr Estrella was recording bad nothing to do with spygate, why is it important to know his name?

You just got got.
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josifrees posted...

nicklebro posted...

josifrees posted...

Tens of thousands of people can see them, what benefit is there to recording them?

The benefit would be in trying to decode the system?? Like really?? Just because millions of people can see them it doesnt detract from the information he could gain from being able to record and have their signals decoded. Even if they get changed at halftime and there is a lot of information to be gleaned.

So he could get that benefit from just looking at them. Are you saying there should be a rule against looking at the opposing sideline too? Lol Jesus dude...

Do you know football at all? You sound ignorant to the sport. Not only are there multiple coaches making signals for multiple groups of the defense but they arent going to make their signals so simple as to be easily deciphered and you need to have a large enough sample size to figure out how they change up the signals. You arent just gonna look at 4 dudes at once and read their defensive signals unless you are the rainman or some shit. And even if he could decipher it you think he doesnt have other shit to do on top of it?

I dont know or care about the specifics of spygate but Jesus you sound like you know jackshit about football

You're the one who thought recording signals was illegal, so you're the only one who's shown to not know what they're talking about. Lol I mean this has nothing to do with "knowing about football" anyways but the fact remains that the rule the Patriots broke was concerning the location of their cameraman, not what they were recording.

You've show that you didn't even know this basic fact which makes me wonder why you think you can contribute to this topic at all.
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This is now the third time I've challenged you to prove anything you've said. Literally anything.

Something tells me the best I'll get is some more "can't believe you didn't know this" nonsense about some completely irrelevant bullshit that does nothing to help your argument.

So how's the time to actually say something with actual substance.
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josifrees posted...

Tens of thousands of people can see them, what benefit is there to recording them?

The benefit would be in trying to decode the system?? Like really?? Just because millions of people can see them it doesnt detract from the information he could gain from being able to record and have their signals decoded. Even if they get changed at halftime and there is a lot of information to be gleaned.

So he could get that benefit from just looking at them. Are you saying there should be a rule against looking at the opposing sideline too? Lol Jesus dude...
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iClockwork posted...

nicklebro posted...

There is one employee who said he was there to set up equipment of the Rams walkthrough but there was no.videotape. the Herald who initially reported that story issued an apology because it was quite obviously not a reliable source whatsoever. Plus that story came out after the Patriots had already been punished for their spygate recordings.

There has never even been accusations of recording practices other than that walkthrough, unless we count conspiracy theorist like you. And like has been proven already, recording defensive signals is not illegal. And why would they be? Tens of thousands of people can see them, what benefit is there to recording them?

I've had this debate with people far smarter and more knowledgeable than you, and it's always ended the same way.

1. That wasn't the only tape

2. That wasn't the only emplpoyee

3.The Boston Herald wasn't the initial reporter of the story.

You have no idea what even happened, holy shit embarrassing.

Prove it. Prove anything you've been saying.
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Zodd3224 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

Taping signals was legal until the season they got caught.

No, it wasn't.

Yes, it was

Lol that guy honestly believes deflategate was a legitimate scandal, there's no reasoning with people like him.
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iClockwork posted...

josifrees posted...

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nicklebro posted...

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nicklebro posted...

He was recording the sideline and then the Down and distance on the big screen. So he was recording something that every single player or coach as well as every single fan in the building could see.

This isn't even close to what spygate was wtf are you talking about.

I'm talking about actual facts since you early have no clue what those actually are. I don't want to hear about your conspiracy theory nonsense.

There is no conspiracy multiple former employees of the Patriots have admitted to taping practices and defensive signals from other teams. It's readily available testimony but your admitted bias refuses to knowledge these facts. I am indifferent to whether the Patriots win or lose but Spygate was absolutely more than what you attempted to sugar coat it as.

Nope you have a tin foil hat on sorry

Nope sorry its well documented and was later acknowledged by Goodell himself.

And to be clear idgaf that they "cheated." I'm fine with a team finding an advantage such as recording other teams practices and defensive coordinators so they know which signals are assigned to which plays. It's always smart to find any advantage. To pretend this didn't happen shows how uneducated one must be on the topic.

Prove it.

Zodd3224 posted...

Taping signals was legal until the season they got caught.

It was still legal then. What was illwgal was where they were recording from.

Again, every single person in the stadium can see the defensive signals, so why would it matter if you record them?
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iClockwork posted...

nicklebro posted...

iClockwork posted...

nicklebro posted...

He was recording the sideline and then the Down and distance on the big screen. So he was recording something that every single player or coach as well as every single fan in the building could see.

This isn't even close to what spygate was wtf are you talking about.

I'm talking about actual facts since you early have no clue what those actually are. I don't want to hear about your conspiracy theory nonsense.

There is no conspiracy multiple former employees of the Patriots have admitted to taping practices and defensive signals from other teams. It's readily available testimony but your admitted bias refuses to knowledge these facts. I am indifferent to whether the Patriots win or lose but Spygate was absolutely more than what you attempted to sugar coat it as.

There is one employee who said he was there to set up equipment of the Rams walkthrough but there was no.videotape. the Herald who initially reported that story issued an apology because it was quite obviously not a reliable source whatsoever. Plus that story came out after the Patriots had already been punished for their spygate recordings.

There has never even been accusations of recording practices other than that walkthrough, unless we count conspiracy theorist like you. And like has been proven already, recording defensive signals is not illegal. And why would they be? Tens of thousands of people can see them, what benefit is there to recording them?

I've had this debate with people far smarter and more knowledgeable than you, and it's always ended the same way.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy

The 2007 New England Patriots videotaping controversy, widely dubbed "Spygate",[1][2] refers to an incident during the National Football League's (NFL) 2007 season when the New England Patriots were disciplined by the league for videotaping New York Jets' defensive coaches' signals from an unauthorized location during a September 9, 2007 game. Videotaping opposing coaches is not illegal in the NFL de jure, but there are designated areas allowed by the league to do such taping.

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iClockwork posted...

nicklebro posted...

He was recording the sideline and then the Down and distance on the big screen. So he was recording something that every single player or coach as well as every single fan in the building could see.

This isn't even close to what spygate was wtf are you talking about.

I'm talking about actual facts since you early have no clue what those actually are. I don't want to hear about your conspiracy theory nonsense.
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What I like a out him is that he backs up all of his statements with actual facts and really proves that he has thought quite extensively about every single thing he talks about. You will hardly ever, if ever at all, see him espouse pure opinion.
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Zodd3224 posted...

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Patty_Fleur posted...

I agree but you can't take away the fact he was suspended for 4 games. It happened. If he was never suspended the scandal should go away but he was so...

There's also the time Belichick was fined $500,000 for spying on other teams' practices. That's the highest fine the NFL ever handed out to an individual.

Even if the deflated ball thing wasn't a big deal (they were going to win that game anyway), it pissed people off because the Patriots have a history of cheating and practically getting away with it.

Getting away with it = highest fine in history, multiple high draft picks taken away, and 4 game ban for PSI in footballs he may or may not have even known about, lmfao

Not to mention it had nothing to do with recording practices because that never happened. Spygate was about the pats having a cameraman in an unauthorized position on the girls during actual games. He was recording the sideline and then the Down and distance on the big screen. So he was recording something that every single player or coach as well as every single fan in the building could see.

The fact that people still don't know what spygate was.about and say ridiculous things like this is irritating

That said,even though I'm a Brady and Belichick fan, if they win this one I'll pretty much have had my fill of them and will start to root against them.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

I agree but you can't take away the fact he was suspended for 4 games. It happened. If he was never suspended the scandal should go away but he was so...

I've never understood this logic. Is the NFL or Roger gooddell infallible? Because if not, then this makes no sense at all. Plus Brady was suspended for not cooperating enough, since science proved be didn't deflate shit.
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Patriots 31-19
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Antifar posted...

Yes, why do people lie like this?

Why do people make jokes? Cuz it's funny.

Antifar posted...

That is not what neoliberal means

Ok, I'll assume you're right cuz I have no idea, but did you have anything if actual substance to add?

-Gavirulax- posted...

Regressive leftism usually.

Not the normal left, but a total opposition to even hear the people out for fear of being seen as racist, anti-academic or sexist.

I like listening to most sides, even regressive left and alt-right, but with the current political climate...yeah lol.

I get that view of trying to avoid being seen as a racist etc, but where does that initial pathological, delusional viewpoint originate from? And why is it given so much respect?
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C a bunch of times
But once when I was younger probably 17ish I was hanging out with this girl I was plowing at the time and she had a friend come by and we all ended up having a threesome. I never spoke to this girl before or after this occasion, couldn't tell you her name if you gave me a million dollars. Oh and full disclosure, she was on the bigger side but still drillable (obviously). That girl (Joanne) was probably the best fuck buddy that I've ever witnessed.
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80/80

That's James Damore who is the subject of the Google memo clusterfuck, and professor Jordan Peterson aka Canadian Jesus. Peterson has obviously been in the spotlight far more so the lies about him are a bit broader, but just as refutable.

Tbh the lies and hatred towards Peterson are a bit less troubling to me for two reasons, 1) its actually helped spread his message to more people that are dedicated to upholding the truth and 2) it's mostly just your normal partisan hackery/ biased ignorance. What really bothers me about the Damore nonsense is how many people refused to even look up what the man actually said and instead bought into this completely fabricated narrative that he's some misogynistic d bag who used "bro science" to say that women are dumber than men and suck at movement was pretty easy to write off as a fluke occurrence, so I was pretty comfortable in my belief that we liberals were the defenders of truth and scientific fact while conservatives were the climate change denying, conversion therapy loving, conspiracy theory enthusiasts/ religious fundamentalists who were the only obstacle between us and a perfect society (obviously hyperbole, but you get the general gist of my views.). But with this new liberal generation, I guess they'd be called neo liberals? It seems like it's becoming more and more common to see science challenged if not completely thrown out the window if it challenges a leftist's belief, and now it's any facts at all can be ignored of they're ignored loudly enough. Damore's memo is a perfect example of this. And Peterson's crusade against anyone and anything that is untruthful being met with such a ferocious response shows just how deep this pathology runs.

So while it was completely ridiculous when Conservatives claimed that Obama's election signaled.the end of racism, it seems as though liberals were right to say that Trumps election brought us into a "post fact America*. I just didn't know that they'd be contributing to that quite as much.

Thoughts?! Comments? Hatred? Trolling?
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Fam_Fam posted...

they censored the porn they give us. They give the good stuff there.

Lol their censoring is some of the silliest censors I've ever seen. Blurring out just the actual reproductive organs while still showing the hardcore sex scenes is hilariously pointless.
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Kineth posted...

nicklebro posted...

Meanwhile other posters can get away with murder. Idk how moderating a website can be this hard for people to suck this badly at it.

I think it's partly due to some legal shenanigans from users. I think it's been said (rumored) that Tails82 has caused them to have to codify some stuff that functionally protects trolls.

Can you elaborate? Cuz I can't even begin to guess what that's supposed to mean.
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armandro posted...

nicklebro posted...

Because no one in Japan watches anime right?

Bro they created something very contagious

And infected themselves with it far more than anyone else.
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Because no one in Japan watches anime right?
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Meanwhile other posters can get away with murder. Idk how moderating a website can be this hard for people to suck this badly at it.
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A mod informed me that it's a warnable offense to call someone ignorant, learned that the hard way. I also got modded for insulting hypothetical people (tho I did call these imaginary people basic beta bitches, which is just uncalled for).

These new rules have been pretty lame.

I think that they should include a feature where you can apologize and the person you insulted can grant you mercy. Or just laugh if you deserve it lol.
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Oh was expecting "a kiss"
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Weird how no one has screamed "LIAR!" like the Republicans did with Obama. Democrats being the grown ups as usual.
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A merit based system, as long as you don't come from a shithole country. lmao.
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Lol jesus christ I can't believe we have to pretend to take this guy seriously.
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I know docking. Idk frottage.
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008Zulu posted...

There's a difference between being Anti-American, and Anti-Trump.

Yeah, a massive difference since they're polar opposites. Being pro Trump is being anti American.
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josifrees posted...

America has been been the biggest anti-American power since America came into being.

Hey lets write the Declaration of Independence AND THEN WIPE OUR ASSES WITH IT

We wiped our asses with the Declaration of Independence? Are you sure you don't mean the Constitution? I mean either way you're wrong, our founding documents have been rock solid.
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AmonAmarth posted...

the US government is evil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_authoritarian_regimes_supported_by_the_United_States

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945

the US was at war for at least 90% of its time.

lets not forget some factions who supported Hitler and Stalin.

Yup, all that is true. And they're still one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever seen.

Lol I don't think you guys get it... Pointing out America's atrocities is literally meaningless, you have to show me a superpower that was less evil than America. No one is arguing that America, and every other superpower the world has ever seen, isn't evil.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

Now compare this to the Soviet Union, British Empire, and other superpowers throughout history. Maybe the Romans, the Mongols, the Third Reich, etc.

USA comes out as the least atrocious, basically.

Exactly.

I
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Hicks233 posted...

They fucked the Middle-East - we have a share of the blame with Palestine though, fucked a number of South American nations and fucked East-Asia because they were terrified of Communism. The mess and arbitrary division of Africa and its peoples is an European legacy. The US hasn't had as much of an opportunity to fuck things up there - yet. Given the inroads China has made in African nations for influence and raw materials and the US's "interests" you can put money on it that China and the US will clash over it and Africa's nations get fucked some more.

The sheer disdain for people that the British Empire had, especially in regards to India and Ireland are disgraces. They may have attempted to install infrastructure but make no mistake, it wasn't an altruistic action, the British Empire absolutely looked out for its own "interests", same as the US now. The US seems determined to make the same stupid mistakes the British Empire did though, although now it is called "regime change". You learnt the worst from us then raised it to an art form.

The US ushered in the Atomic age and unleashed the most powerful weapon in history on others, turned a blind eye to Nazi German scientists actions as long as they could get a scientific leg up, spread like an STD across the world - all so they could "protect their interests" then cries about freedom and being a beacon of hope - only so far as it fits within their "interests".

The threat of the Soviet Union was real. But fuck me... the US roles in then you know there's going to be trouble.

If the US cares so much about "freedom", fuck off and let people be free. But it won't, will it? Because that would be against its "interests". I don't know if an isolationist US would be a good thing or not but a nation with the influence and power that the US has and a disregard for history or long term consequences doesn't bode well for the world

What are you going on and on about dude? Yeah, no one is arguing the US has done some fucked up shit. But if you seriously think it even comes close to the evils of the British colonial empire or the Roman empire or lol the fucking MONGOLS then just no dude, just no.
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masticatingman posted...

Isnt TC the person who openly admitted to blatantly trolling in another thread on this board recently? Hmm...makes ya think dude.

No. Stop with the fake news. But on the plus side, getting you to think for once is an accomplishment in itself, so hopefully you start to do better.
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nicklebro posted...

Bump! C'mon you guys, i know you all need to hear this! All of the ignorance and partisan hackery some douchey clowns have thrown my way can be cured if you'd sit your ignorant ass down and listen to this fucking GENIUS

Lmao youre collectively passive aggressive just to skirt around the new mod rules. Very mature.

Nah that's still most definitely flaming because he's referring to other board users

No I'm not, I'm talking about people irl.
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They don't really get into the religious stuff in this one, pretty sure they mostly settled that in the second interview I believe.

I just love listening to this man speak.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

But CEmen said he's an alt right Nazi!

CEboys aka basic beta boy bitches are the only ones who say that.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Cool but if you've seen him speak once you've heard it all.

That's not true at all. Sure he does reiterate points he's made in the past but the man is constantly evolving defining his positions along with the fact that he responds to the constant idiotic attacks against him because it's really his only opportunity to debate anyone since everyone is scared of him.
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Bump! C'mon you guys, i know you all need to hear this! All of the ignorance and partisan hackery some douchey clowns have thrown my way can be cured if you'd sit your ignorant ass down and listen to this fucking GENIUS
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Let the wisdom flow through you!
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Paper_Okami posted...

Being the most moral super power is like being the most moral serial killer.

Ok man great point you win bro good job.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Lmao that's amazing. SJW culture is being soundly rejected at this point.

What're you talking about? These are the same polls that said Hillary would win the election, they're useless!
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Well I heard when a man loves a woman, he cant keep his mind on nothing else.
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creativerealms posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

Capn Circus posted...

nicklebro posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

What's really amazing is how long the left's temper tantrum has lasted uninterrupted.

Lol um... Were you sleeping during Obama's presidency?

Lol.. remind me of all those riots the Republicans did...

Show me where they tried to gun down a baseball field full of democratic politicians also.

A few far left nutjobs are not a representation of the whole left.

Hey! No facts or logic allowed! They don't take kindly to your type around here... boy
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Hicks233 posted...

Until the next one. That's the most concerning thing about the US. There is a worryingly common notion that it's too big to fall.

The leader of Western philosophy? The thing that the US leads in is rampant greed and pissing other nations off. They've raised it to an art form. The Roman Empire, British, French, Mongol Empires... they've all been eclipsed by the US's capability for fucking anything over for material wealth - and given (especially) the British Empire's myriad sins that's quite an achievement.

It's a nation that has built on the groundwork of the people that emigrated there then subsequently fought with itself between trying to define itself based on founders Christianity, revised Neo-con "Judeo-Christianity", secular inclusion and science. The nation doesn't really know what it is (which is understandable), what its identity is - only that it'll fall back on crying out "freedom" and patting itself on the back. It's the equivalent of a child that wants to do whatever pleases it and is in a position to get away with it. It's still growing up and learning what it is - its just frightening for the rest of the world that the most powerful influence is essentially a belligerent child - going on teenager.

That's patently untrue. You need quite a few history lessons if you think America has been as quick to fuck over other people for greed as the British empire, let alone the Romans and Mongols. Seriously man, America obviously isn't a saintly nation by any means but to compare America to any of the empires you just mentioned is hilariously misinformed.
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Paper_Okami posted...

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electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.

There has never been a moral super power.

But of the super powers, America has been one of the closest to being moral. Right?

God... Can't believe I even too the time to respond to such a stupid post.

Lmao dumb fucking semantics. America has fucked up too much to be call moral the only dumb unthinking post is yours.

Oh ok man sorry, you win bro.
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GuyCarlPeterson posted...

What's really amazing is how long the left's temper tantrum has lasted uninterrupted.

1/8th as long as the rights.
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SK8T3R215 posted...

nicklebro posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

Capn Circus posted...

nicklebro posted...

GuyCarlPeterson posted...

What's really amazing is how long the left's temper tantrum has lasted uninterrupted.

Lol um... Were you sleeping during Obama's presidency?

Lol.. remind me of all those riots the Republicans did...

Show me where they tried to gun down a baseball field full of democratic politicians also.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

What did that have to do with Obama and Democrats? Thought that was more about use of federal land.

Its conservatives throwing a tempter tantrum and brandishing weapons against the federal government. They asked, I obliged.
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Paper_Okami posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

nicklebro posted...

electricbearcom posted...

Because America is the greatest evil the world has ever seen.

Not even close to true. It's actually one of the most moral superpowers the world has ever known.

Lmao

I mean he's not wrong. What superpower was more benevolent? Certainly not the British Empire.

There has never been a moral super power.

But of the super powers, America has been one of the closest to being moral. Right?

God... Can't believe I even too the time to respond to such a stupid post.
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