Lurker > scar the 1

Yomi posted...

That's not "proper" Spanish lol, it's just Castilian Spanish.

Yeah, which is why I put quotation marks. It's the Spanish spoken in the region where it came from. But yes I very much meant to say Castilian, ty.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Just pick the Thinkpad that most closely matches your desired specs. I'm guessing it'll be more than $1000, but the Thinkpad series has a very good reputation.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I always speak other languages in the same sort of accent that brad Pitt used when speaking Italian in inglorious bastards.

I sometimes speak spanish with a southern accent. I do it as a joke, but I also do it to cover up words that are for me to pronounce accurately in Spanish.

Some Spanish dialects weird me out. One involves pronouncing soft c as th. I know this a Spain Spanish thing, not sure if it's common in other regions.

Yeah that's "proper" Spanish, they do it with z, too. Apparently in some southern region of Spain they do it with s as well.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Thinkpad is the classic essential developer laptop.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Whichever typeface the paper/conference requires. Don't care really
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I'm betting there is a correlation.

I'm quite sure that it's even more than a correlation tbh. IIRC there are studies that have been able to tie children's interest in math to their parents' attitudes towards math. I don't see why that shouldn't carry over to school in general.
I have a relative whose son did really poorly in school, yet when he got home and showed his grades, his working-class father was actually proud. That's just one data point of course but well you know.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Questionmarktarius posted...

scar the 1 posted...

That's either an incredibly stupid or incredibly dishonest question.

Is it, though, in the age of equality?

Yes.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Questionmarktarius posted...

GhostOfTrayvon posted...

eston posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

What purpose does gender even serve for a voter registration?

This tbqh

Polling data

Then, why is eye color ignored?

That's either an incredibly stupid or incredibly dishonest question.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

De Evolution posted...

Getting disowned is a symptom of being mentally ill and socially deviant. If the mental illness wasn't there to begin with, getting disowned wouldn't happen.

You do know that people got disowned for being gay (and in some backwater conservative parts, maybe still)? Is that a mental illness, too?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

De Evolution posted...

Guess I'm the problem then you arrogant and deranged little snowflake.

Ya think???
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

AffligemFR posted...

scar the 1 posted...

AffligemFR posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Bagamak posted...

whales have the same brain power as humans .they are more intelligent than gorillas.

Okay.

Don't care.

Either trying way to hard to be edgy, or a rather despicable lack of compassion.

Are you a vegan?

Totally am, yes.

Ok carry on
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

AffligemFR posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

Bagamak posted...

whales have the same brain power as humans .they are more intelligent than gorillas.

Okay.

Don't care.

Either trying way to hard to be edgy, or a rather despicable lack of compassion.

Are you a vegan?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Bagamak posted...

NibeIungsnarf posted...

So Japan is fishing.

What's wrong with that?

whales have the same brain power as humans .they are more intelligent than gorillas.

Pigs are also incredibly intelligent and empathic mammals.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

You should look up the annual whale slaughter of Faroe Islands.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Fishy posted...

"Hello I didn't do a single extracurricular or internship and have no actual experience in my field and expected a piece of paper saying I'm an expert in my field to equate to actual expertise."

Damn life is hard.

Typically a PhD requires you to produce actual artifacts that contribute to the scientific field you're in. So it's not just a piece of paper, it comes with a portfolio that is somehow QC'd by distinguished members of the field.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Ok, given your disdain for academics, what's your point TC?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

ChromaticAngel posted...

All the challenge is figuring out the strategy, though. It's not like Ninja Gaiden where even though the strategy is painfully transparent, it's still hard as f***.

Yeah, so unless we agree on the weights of different types of challenges we're getting nowhere.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

OmegaVideoGameG posted...

It's amazing how you can find anything on the internet nowadays. :D

Penance is similarly easy if you just look up exactly how to beat him. Any boss from a game where you don't need tricky input in a short period of time would be disqualified.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

ChromaticAngel posted...

scar the 1 posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

For example, you cannot beat 4 Horsemen in Naxxaramas unless you do tank trading. You will lose every time otherwise (assume appropriate levels and gear).

Yeah, and why shouldn't solving the puzzle of how to beat them not be factored in?

Because once you figure out that you have to tank trade 4 horsemen, the fight becomes super easy.

Yeah, so the challenge is to figure it out. A lot of things become easy once you operationalize them.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

ChromaticAngel posted...

For example, you cannot beat 4 Horsemen in Naxxaramas unless you do tank trading. You will lose every time otherwise (assume appropriate levels and gear).

Yeah, and why shouldn't solving the puzzle of how to beat them not be factored in?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

OpheliaAdenade posted...

To your knowledge. :v Could be the root of everything though. Most normal people think old ass men are gross. I know I do.

Well why in the world would anyone consider you normal, though?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Figuring out how to deal with s*** like that is why bosses take weeks to down. MMO bosses are more like puzzles.

Which is exactly the point I made earlier - what metric should you use to measure difficulty? I know that MMO bosses are essentially optimization problems, and the skills required to beat them are completely different than beating, say, the Yellow Devil. But if there's no definition of "difficulty" then all we're doing is comparing apples and oranges.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Vindris_SNH posted...

Fucking MMO bosses shouldn't even be on this fucking list. The hardest part of killing any raid boss is finding other players who aren't absolute fucking morons. No raid boss itself has ever been more than moderately difficult in an MMO (including Destiny).

And yet when new bosses are introduced players spend weeks before being able to beat them.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

mattnd2007 posted...

Not doing research because it might not be PC is wrong.

Not necessarily imo, but the ethical consideration should rather be "is there a risk that these results are misinterpreted maliciously?" rather than "does this affect our university's reputation?".
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

The only Sephiroth that belongs there is the KH one. But any boss in a game that has RPG-style variable avatar strength is a big question mark. Of course bosses will be hard if you're underleveled, but if I go to Emerald Weapon with max stats and proper materia, I could beat him without the Underwater materia easily. So at which level is the "proper" difficulty?
Similar arguments apply to bosses with gimmicks. Should they be evaluated at first-time playthrough or speedrunner playthrough? Additional restrictions (e.g., Buster only, etc)?

Without these specs, the list is useless because everyone will just talk past each other, using their own frames of reference.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

That motivation provided sounds like things that an ethics committee should not concern themselves with. I could see how a marketing department would be worried, but it seems a little rotten when the ethics committee takes the reputation of the institution into account.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Tropicalwood posted...

scar the 1 posted...

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

stories that claim Google is altering search results to be more progressive

You say that like there's some fundamental "true" search result that Google is suppressing.

Google has been known to do that

My point is that there is no underlying, "true" search result. The whole point of a search engine is to produce a search result. If there was a fundamental "true" result underneath, no one would need a search engine in the first place.
The whole point of Google is to include results the user is interested in and suppress results the user isn't interested in. In this case, the search results included black inventors as well as white ones. I don't see what kind of truth was suppressed?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

stories that claim Google is altering search results to be more progressive

You say that like there's some fundamental "true" search result that Google is suppressing.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

That's not right at all! When you pointed out how Obama is also a fascist, it wasn't under any definition I used. In fact, I was very clear from the start that there isn't a theoretical foundation that fascism sprung from, because one of its core characteristics is that "knowledge is nothing, action is everything". So what I started off by saying was that there is no crisp definition of fascism, and thus the question "is so and so fascist?" will have a fuzzy answer until you're far away from the blurred lines. I since demonstrated by citing my friend and the scholar who was interviewed by Slate (which you dismissed because the interview was published in Slate, not based on his merits or lack thereof) and Wikipedia that what I said from the start actually holds up. Throughout this topic I've talked about defining characteristics, not a singular definition. As a response to your Obama post, I gladly conceded that what you brought up indeed sounded authoritarian (or even totalitarian), but that there's more to fascism than that.

So to clarify, I didn't outline Trump's "fascism", I outlined similarities between primarily his rhetoric and fascism, and you have from the start refused to acknowledged that rhetoric plays a part in this at all. Ever since, you're just trying to set people up in some sort of gotcha! moment to show how embarrassing and wrong the pathetic leftists are. You've continuously dismissed opinions on account of coming from leftists even though the premise of the topic is "leftists, explain this". You've cited Mussolini's doctrine essay even though it literally states that fascism is a complete negation of Marxian socialism, and you just keep on whatabouting about Obama. I get it. You don't like Obama. I'll never agree that he was a fascist president, as he ideologically lacked some core aspects, like the populism, palingenesis, and apocalyptic tendencies. However, like I said, you dismiss those characteristics unless they're evident from some policy, which to me is quite a narrow-minded view. I appeal to authority only in the sense that authority makes a much more compelling case than you do. What you're doing isn't trying to make a solid case, it's just trying to poke holes in well established theory because you find yourself politically closer to Trump than Obama.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Haha, slammed with the doublethink. Let me clarify:
You say we should show how his intended policies are fascist. Intended policies are a bad metric, because fascists are known to change these as it suits them. See the issue?

Ok, give an example of Trump changing one of his non-fascist policies to a fascist one.

I feel like you're not listening, you know?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Haha, slammed with the doublethink. Let me clarify:
You say we should show how his intended policies are fascist. Intended policies are a bad metric, because fascists are known to change these as it suits them. See the issue?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

So go ahead, appeal to authority again.

So what I'm hearing is that you don't consider rhetoric to be any sort of indicator at all? Despite known historical examples of fascist leaders often changed their intended policies as they went along? That's a defining characteristic that I've brought up: disregard for the written platform. Heck, Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf that Germany should cooperate with the UK.
You're asking us to judge him by a metric that is demonstrably bad at identifying fascism. That's not 100% honest, buddy.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

For the 2nd part, I think it's bulls*** that Germany divided east and west but Korea divided north and south. What is up with that?

Yeah given the capabilities we have to divide stuff in very high-dimensional hyperplanes (e.g., ANNs, SVMs), east/west or north/south seem frankly barbaric in comparison.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

These buzzwords are do American. In Sweden (I think it was coined in Norway) we call it domination techniques, and while it is often used to describe how men interact with women it's a lot more general and ungendered. Meanwhile in America on Twitter feminists hepeat these techniques and give them punny names to make memes out of them.

I do enjoy the punny names tbh
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

You seem to bocce under the impression that the only way to determine if someone is fascist is through the policy they manage to push through.
No one serious is calling Trump a fascist based on his policies, because he has yet to achieve anything. You know this.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

jmikla posted...

Sounds like CE hasn't a clue how often you get raped in regions without enforcement of law.

Well to be fair, CE has a pretty weak grasp on how often you get raped in regions with enforcement of law as well.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

you're also going to rely on the appeal to authority fallacy. You're not exactly making your case better, you know that right?

So... am I supposed to not listen to historians who study fascism for a living? And when several different sources, such as my aforementioned friend, the scholar interviewed in the Slate article, the Wikipedia site, all seem to be in agreement, on what grounds should I dismiss them in favor of you, who have done nothing but undermine your own argument? You, who start a topic by seriously asking leftists if they can define fascism but then go on to say you don't care what some leftist thinks? I'm going to bed.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

And your answer was based on false premises and things that are definitively not examples of fascism

Well, says you, meanwhile like I said I hold the opinion on actual authorities higher than I hold yours on this subject, so you know. :)
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

SMN is like, the most disappointing class in the entire game. It plays nothing like a traditional summoner from any FF game. I'd rather it be like a Diablo druid where you would actually shapeshift.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

I already explained why they aren't similarities and you flatly refused to argue against them. The subject is therefore closed.

Well the premise of the topic wasn't "let's argue", it was "serious question". Are you saying that this whole time, you only wanted to explain how actual scholars are wrong because you're somehow right? Color me shocked.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

I'm not interested in what sone leftist "could consider" fascist. I'm interested in what fascism actually is, and how Trump is similar to that.

I mean, he's literally an expert and he quite clearly lays out the similarities but sure.
Oh and btw, if you're not interested in what "some leftist" could consider fascism, then why in the holy heck did you make a topic where you literally ask leftists if they can define fascism?
I mean I'm not surprised, but you're really spelling out your complete lack of interest in actual discourse.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

But what if all the symptoms we're just imaginary psychosomatic lies, as I pointed out and which you neglected to respond to

And what if the context for all these things is a made-up narrative by the media equating Trump with a collectivist system of government in which the state is in control of most means of production and disarms the citizenry so that they can't resist, despite Trump's politics being in exact opposition to that?

I neglected to respond to it because I'm not interested in this absurd point-by-point bickering that will get us nowhere. We both know we'll end up in the exact same place as we started. If I can bring something more to the discussion, or clarify my points, I'll gladly do that. Arguing over what you perceive differently from me isn't going to lead anywhere. You know that, pal.

This article is actually quite nice, it's an actual expert on fascism explaining (quite similar to my post tbh) what could be considered fascist about Trump. The guy also mentions the lack of collectivism that we've seen so far. I think it's a pretty well put opinion, and he winds up concluding that yes, Trump has fascist tendencies, but there are also things that are completely different from the fascism we've seen historically. So, like I said, not so easy to just say that he 100% is a fascist.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/02/is_donald_trump_a_fascist_an_expert_on_fascism_weighs_in.html
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Honestly, the rant my friend did on fascism the other day was so good and stuck with me, I just wanted an excuse to propagate some of it. I mean, she's done actual research on fascism, I'll take her word over Mal's any day :)

I mean, you yourself admitted her rant was based on nothing solid. You said that each individual instance of "fascism" on Trump's part could be easily dismissed, but you defended it by the sheer amount she produced.

Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if every individual part of your argument can be debunked, it doesn't matter how long-winded your argument is. It's still been debunked.

Hmm, it seems like you're not really taking what I said as I meant it. I meant it more akin to a medical doctor doing a diagnosis. If you just have like, one symptom, you're not so likely to have a specific disease. It could be tons of different things. However when you have like a bajillion different symptoms all at the same time, the doctor will be significantly more certain that you actually have a particular illness.
My argument is similar. If you remove the context for each and every one of those things, sure, they could be circumstantial. But context seems like a word that you've been struggling with in the past, as well. And hey, my friend had a rant on fascism in general, I'm pointing out the similarities to Trump. Her words are essentially "scholars still disagree, but it's not 100% wrong to say he's fascist". The point by point comparisons are ones that I make, mostly.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

Probably because there are basically no actual fascists around anymore.

Hmmm... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-fascism
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Bio1590 posted...

Kineth posted...

He won't. He's intent on forcing his ignorance onto other people.

Yep

Bio1590 posted...

Why do people keep falling for Mal’s masturbatory political topics?

Honestly, the rant my friend did on fascism the other day was so good and stuck with me, I just wanted an excuse to propagate some of it. I mean, she's done actual research on fascism, I'll take her word over Mal's any day :)
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

In fact, there's another even more damning quote on the wiki page:

Fascism [is] the precise negation of that doctrine which formed the basis of the so-called Scientific or Marxian Socialism. (p. 30)

So let's just drop the whole "fascism is Marxist" schtick, ok?
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Mal_Fet posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Fascism took strong stances against communism and the left. But I'll indulge you and ask if there's a central text (like Marxism has Das Kapital) fascism has?

Fascists took a stance against Leninism, but Marxism is still at the core of both. Think of it like how the Sunnis and Shi'ites hate each other despite both being of Islam.

As for a central text, The Doctrine of Fascism by Mussolini and Gentile is probably the best known.

Good point, Mein Kampf is probably another well-known text. But those aren't really considered canon by fascists all over the place, they're more statements of these individual leaders, whereas you'll still find Das Kapital cited by modern-day left-wing people.
Well, it's a bit hairier than that, because essentially you can divide fascist movements into two sub-groups; genuine and imitative. The imitative tend to be less successful, but they will also idolize past movements more.

It's interesting to note that Mussolini's doctrine actually supports what I was saying earlier, it rejects socialism, liberalism, and democracy. I'll past a translated quote I found on Wikipedia:
"Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right', a Fascist century."

While fascism is collectivist it's not really Marxist by any stretch. But you've discussed this plenty of times before and you probably won't let go, even though Mussolini himself in the text you mention rejects socialism :)
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Gossipgirl posted...

Not sure if anyone's stated this but I feel this is an important part of the movement.

Fascism is reactionary in nature, and rooted in deep nationalism and militarism. Fascist movements often start with the desire to either restore a supposed former glory to a nation or bring a community into a new, golden age. Fascism opposes diversity and focuses on uniting the people (or at least those who meet "the standard") under a massively powerful state who controls virtually all affairs within the nation they rule over. Finally, fascist movements will often try and blame a group of people (ethnic/religious/etc) for the previous failures of a nation. I'm not a leftist by any means I Trump is far from a fascist but I thought this was important to understanding the ideology.

I touched on some of it, but not the part about the collective consciousness and the "folk soul" etc. That's a good addition.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

As for Obama, a lot of the things you list don't really seem very fascist. I get that you think he had very authoritarian tendencies, and authoritarianism is a part of fascism. But what you're listing there pretty much only speaks to his authoritarian tendencies. Which I won't deny.
But like I've observed before, it seems like you really need to study fascism a bit more, and not with the intention of finding bits and pieces that don't apply to Trump - just read up on it. Because from your posts it seems that you really seem to think that authoritarianism/totalitarianism (as well as Marxism, weirdly) are the only aspects of fascism.
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.

Some comments on your comments:

Mal_Fet posted...

Marxism. It sprung from Marxism. All the original fascist thinkers were either socialists or former socialists.

Fascism took strong stances against communism and the left. But I'll indulge you and ask if there's a central text (like Marxism has Das Kapital) fascism has?

Mal_Fet posted...

The Soviet Union was Leninist, not Fascist.

Seems like nationalism is a facet shared by all political spheres, huh?

You seem to be under the impression that I said somewhere that the Soviet Union was fascist. I did not. I mentioned the Soviet Union being the "former glory days" that Putin speaks of, to give an example of another world leader with some fascistoid tendencies.

Mal_Fet posted...

No one on the left, you mean.

Plenty of right-leaning people right here kept talking about how "The Wall" was just a soundbyte and he wasn't actually gonna build an actual wall.

As for the rest of your comments:

scar the 1 posted...

So, you can break down every one of these things and dismiss them individually, but the point is that these are a lot of similarities all at once. Just one or two wouldn't be very fascist, but with all the similarities bells are going off.

All in all, though, I responded to you this time to clarify what I said in my initial post. I didn't make the post to argue with you, and I assume (since you said it was a serious question) that you weren't just fishing for a long back-and-forth argument where we talk past each other. I get that you're not happy with my answer, but I'm not gonna bicker with you for hundreds of posts. Not today :)
---

Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two.