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P4wn4g3 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

COVxy posted...

We have disparate fields who are often studying the same exact phenomenon, but don't know it because of jargon

Can you give an example of this?

This is true, some algorithms have been rediscovered multiple times like Latent Dirichlet Allocation (LDA) which was discovered by biologists before machine learning researchers.

I'm not sure how much overlap something like pure geometry might have with chemistry for example though except in fringe cases like the LDA above.

I was just asking for an example. What is the story with LDA?

I'm not sure there's a story really but some biologists proposed LDA before Ng did. Ng's work has some absurd number of citations in the machine learning literature.

The well known Belief Propagation algorithm was also discovered multiple times.

I think it happens a lot in machine learning since ML is a mix of so many well established fields which have their own notation and interests that it can be hard to do a literature survey.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

COVxy posted...

We have disparate fields who are often studying the same exact phenomenon, but don't know it because of jargon

Can you give an example of this?

This is true, some algorithms have been rediscovered multiple times like Latent Dirichlet Allocation (LDA) which was discovered by biologists before machine learning researchers.

I'm not sure how much overlap something like pure geometry might have with chemistry for example though except in fringe cases like the LDA above.
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COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Also people who use jargon without properly defining it when it is introduced are doing it wrong. Hell you can make up your own little phrase just to describe something, just define it.

I mean, that's not the issue at all. Most jargon, or at least the specific scientific jargon category referenced here rather than the gender scientific jargon category, have very specific jargon. But it means that the work will be harder to read, especially to those outside the field.

To the extent to which we can, we should be writing papers that could be read by a scientist in any field.

Eh. I'd rather have short, precise papers than vague ones that can be consumed by a generally educated person.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Youre pretty good at baiting lol. What about the 67% which dont even have 15k

47% have 15k. 53% don't. But 67% say they are actively saving.

And I already addressed this post in greater detail earlier in the topic. <_< But basically from 2015-2018 the number of millennials with 100k saved went from 8% to 16%. and the number with 15k saved went from 33% to 47%.

so the numbers are growing at a very fast rate and that fills me with determination.

I dont really understand these numbers compared to the topic title tbh. The rate of cash is certainly a function of the fact that millennial are now late 20s and 30s
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Youre pretty good at baiting lol. What about the 67% which dont even have 15k
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bloodydeath0 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

The national minimum wage has increased about $2 since I was a kid. I believe my first job was at $5.25 an hour or so. However, inflation has increased at a much faster rate. $5 used to buy 5 Arby's sandwiches, now it might buy 2.

Ok

Sorry I tried to use small numbers and easy concepts to get the point across. Maybe even that failed.
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The national minimum wage has increased about $2 since I was a kid. I believe my first job was at $5.25 an hour or so. However, inflation has increased at a much faster rate. $5 used to buy 5 Arby's sandwiches, now it might buy 2.
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MordecaiRocks posted...

does it apply it to computer science because my college is making me take the first 2

If you are interested in research take as much calculus as you can. Modern computer science is heavy in continuous mathematics now. So you cant just hope to coast with discrete for many areas.
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Apparently it's because of Shonen Jump. The release pattern has seemed weird for a couple of months now, used to be every Tuesday.
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Sandman is great. Preacher and Hellblazer are also really good.
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Almost ABD in computer science PhD program. I actually told my advisor I wanted to master out and join the workforce, which lead to an offer of part-time remote PhD starting this summer. Only problem is it will be hard to explain the situation during interviews.
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chi_cab posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

chi_cab posted...

TRUE full array and variety of facial human features present in different ethnic groups

Yeah that's not how machine learning works.

how does this make what i said not true

Actually this is essentially true. If the algorithm had the "TRUE full array and variety of facial human features present in different ethnic groups" it would be able to classify correctly.
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Computer vision is hard. Not surprising, except to laymen apparently.
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iamintents posted...

so this is our latest gimmick acct

This is how alts should be.
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Harder than you might expect. I'd start reading Cracking the Coding Interview and practicing LeetCode problems.
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Shake Shack is overpriced af
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MegaTech posted...

Mystery_Mission posted...

lmao wtf is that gif

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MaverickXeo posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

If you manage to get a PhD you wont want to go back to school.

One of my professors has a PhD in his field, a masters in two others, and a few bachelors in other fields. It seems pretty common for a lot of professors at my school to continue after getting their PhD.

Yes some people are reaaaaally afraid of the real world. Or needed the extra credentials to land a professorship. In my field few people get a PhD because you can get a six figure job out of college. Ive had quite a bit of existential dread this semester with considering mastering out for free or finishing.
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If you manage to get a PhD you wont want to go back to school.
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Nightmaker posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Nightmaker posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

I had a friend who did an astrophysics undergrad and then went into physics PhD, he ended up leaving that PhD program with just a master's though because he ended up deciding that a career as an academic wasn't for him. I think part of it was that he was telling me how competitive that career field has gotten, like apparently one of his professors said that these days they get 20 super qualified applicants for each job position, so highly qualified that each of them would have been like an insta-hire back in like the 90s. But now there's so many of them that the standards have gone way up.

I asked him why he thought this was and he said it was a funding issue, that not enough money is being spent on scientific research in the US to employ the number of people trying to work as physics researchers.

Yeah I know and it's a reality I've accepted. I'm not particularly keen on academia, and lean more towards post doc at national labs and even if that doesn't work out, there's still a lot of industry that I am interested in. At the very least I know by the end of my PhD I'll be able to program and program well because both these fields require a high level of computational work(I can already do C++ and Python at an avg level).

Even though I'm not an engineer, I think I'll have the skills to pull of getting a job like at SpaceX or NASA through a combination of my math, data analysis and computational skills.

If you want to get good programming skills don't expect that to happen in the PhD. I've seen computer science PhD code, and it's almost uniformly terrible. No comments, poor variable names, etc. Hacking until something works instead of designing with thought. Generally, academic code is pretty terrible.

No you're completely right, physicists tend to not have great code. To clarify, I think my ability to understand algorithms and put them into code will be much better at the end of a PhD. Actual code that's systematic and flows well is something I have to work on myself and put times towards, because I'm obviously not a software engineer, but if I find an avenue to do coding, I think knowing how to think about the logic and algorithms give me a good basis

Word. A lot of good coding comes from practice. Having some professional experience helps give you a taste of how to write readable code, but as a theoretical physicist it's probably more important that you can do your proofs ;)
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Sativa_Rose posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

If you want to get good programming skills don't expect that to happen in the PhD. I've seen computer science PhD code, and it's almost uniformly terrible. No comments, poor variable names, etc. Hacking until something works instead of designing with thought. Generally, academic code is pretty terrible.

lol I wouldn't be surprised, but I would say that I had that kind of stuff down by the end of my undergrad data structures course, so it wouldn't be that hard to take 2-3 semesters of actual undergrad CS I would think.

I was working on a class project for a well known computer science professor (you probably heard of some of his books) doing some machine learning problem. His student implemented a recurrent neural network for the problem, and the code was so hacky with no documentation, although I could follow it with effort. It was incredible. This same student interned as a SWE at Google twice along with Microsoft Research. Seriously insane.
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Nightmaker posted...

Sativa_Rose posted...

I had a friend who did an astrophysics undergrad and then went into physics PhD, he ended up leaving that PhD program with just a master's though because he ended up deciding that a career as an academic wasn't for him. I think part of it was that he was telling me how competitive that career field has gotten, like apparently one of his professors said that these days they get 20 super qualified applicants for each job position, so highly qualified that each of them would have been like an insta-hire back in like the 90s. But now there's so many of them that the standards have gone way up.

I asked him why he thought this was and he said it was a funding issue, that not enough money is being spent on scientific research in the US to employ the number of people trying to work as physics researchers.

Yeah I know and it's a reality I've accepted. I'm not particularly keen on academia, and lean more towards post doc at national labs and even if that doesn't work out, there's still a lot of industry that I am interested in. At the very least I know by the end of my PhD I'll be able to program and program well because both these fields require a high level of computational work(I can already do C++ and Python at an avg level).

Even though I'm not an engineer, I think I'll have the skills to pull of getting a job like at SpaceX or NASA through a combination of my math, data analysis and computational skills.

If you want to get good programming skills don't expect that to happen in the PhD. I've seen computer science PhD code, and it's almost uniformly terrible. No comments, poor variable names, etc. Hacking until something works instead of designing with thought. Generally, academic code is pretty terrible.
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A few thoughts...

1. Funding as an RA is great, not having to TA is really a huge boon. Definitely go to the funding, don't be a fourth year working on dissertation and still TAing undergrads or a grad course.

2. Doing research which you don't have your heart in, or doesn't directly align with what you're interested in will burn you out hardcore.

3. After taking some graduate level coursework you should have a better idea of what you want to focus on.
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~ i d e n t i t y ~ p o l i t i c s ~
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Mickle88 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Or... companies like Netflix will team up with ISPs to provide a "basic bundle" which would make competition less attractive. You go with Comcast you get Facebook, Google, and Netflix in the basic bundle. Etc.

I don't think it's gonna be that drastic. They'll probably slowly ease into change and we won't even notice.

I agree it will probably be a gradual change, especially with public opinion. But will the public remember in a decade? Maybe. What about 30 years? The ISPs which are clearly monopolies will still be alive and ready.
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Or... companies like Netflix will team up with ISPs to provide a "basic bundle" which would make competition less attractive. You go with Comcast you get Facebook, Google, and Netflix in the basic bundle. Etc.
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To answer the question of if this means asians look the same, the problem is basically more fundamentally difficult at the algorithm level than you might expect. Especially given how many interesting things "AI" seems to be able to do recently. If you took two white people who looked pretty similar I bet it would also fail.
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Skimming https://machinelearning.apple.com/2017/11/16/face-detection.html

Apple did use Viola-Jones at first, now are using essentially a region CNN. Not entirely clear how they're enforcing key match to the specific face however. Assuming they're using some initial video of a person's face at various angles this clearly doesn't provide a strong match assumption.
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Pretty funny. Back in the old days of Viola-Jones facial recognition algorithm black people could be missed. Probably a variant of Viola-Jones is being used with some hacks to deal with uniqueness of the person's face.
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Wow that shit is expensive for literally vegetables.
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Asherlee10 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

How is web development a bubble?

I think to an extent is it because your average website can now be built with do-it-yourself modules and you do not need web dev experience to make a good website.

That wasn't the case even as little as 5 years ago.

That was definitely the case 5 years ago lol

Not really. It was pretty obscure to your average person. Now we have a plethora of websites that do this like SquareSpace.

Well I was a web developer 2 years ago and even then you could make a production grade website using a WordPress theme like Divi or The7 with no programming knowledge. I'm talking about real websites that look at least as good as say http://usarope.net/ for example.

Squarespace is really no different than WordPress, it's just a template you can put content into. WordPress has been around since 2003, btw.

Usarope.net is a nice website, but it's the same pre-packaged style that we see right now for website. What makes that website great was the graphic designer, imo. The vector illustrations are fantastic.

Further, my point is that it isn't until you start moving into 'larger' small businesses and medium businesses that you start seeing companies willing to pay for a well-built site that probably has some custom features.

This is part of what the company I used to work for did. Almost every single small business that came to us wanting a website wanted a $500 website pre-built from Wordpress because that is what they wanted to spend.

Side note, this is one of my favorite websites in terms of design: https://www.youneedabudget.com/

As far as that website goes, I don't think it's very inspired personally. There's a tree graphic thing at the bottom, but that's all. There's inconsistent margins with heavy top/bottom margins and far too skinny side margins. Overall it looks empty (due to the margin mismatch) and generic (due to the top-down boxy style that's in fashion).
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Asherlee10 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

How is web development a bubble?

I think to an extent is it because your average website can now be built with do-it-yourself modules and you do not need web dev experience to make a good website.

That wasn't the case even as little as 5 years ago.

That was definitely the case 5 years ago lol

Not really. It was pretty obscure to your average person. Now we have a plethora of websites that do this like SquareSpace.

Well I was a web developer 2 years ago and even then you could make a production grade website using a WordPress theme like Divi or The7 with no programming knowledge. I'm talking about real websites that look at least as good as say http://usarope.net/ for example.

Squarespace is really no different than WordPress, it's just a template you can put content into. WordPress has been around since 2003, btw.

Usarope.net is a nice website, but it's the same pre-packaged style that we see right now for website. What makes that website great was the graphic designer, imo. The vector illustrations are fantastic.

Further, my point is that it isn't until you start moving into 'larger' small businesses and medium businesses that you start seeing companies willing to pay for a well-built site that probably has some custom features.

This is part of what the company I used to work for did. Almost every single small business that came to us wanting a website wanted a $500 website pre-built from Wordpress because that is what they wanted to spend.

Side note, this is one of my favorite websites in terms of design: https://www.youneedabudget.com/

That was my point, the website is 100% from Divi or The7 which is a WordPress theme along with WooCommerce.

WordPress websites are still too technical for the average person to use and update, which is hilarious to me. That's why web dev shops are a dime a dozen, they can just churn out WP sites with "devs" who are really marketers and graphic designers.
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Asherlee10 posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

How is web development a bubble?

I think to an extent is it because your average website can now be built with do-it-yourself modules and you do not need web dev experience to make a good website.

That wasn't the case even as little as 5 years ago.

That was definitely the case 5 years ago lol

Not really. It was pretty obscure to your average person. Now we have a plethora of websites that do this like SquareSpace.

Well I was a web developer 2 years ago and even then you could make a production grade website using a WordPress theme like Divi or The7 with no programming knowledge. I'm talking about real websites that look at least as good as say http://usarope.net/ for example.

Squarespace is really no different than WordPress, it's just a template you can put content into. WordPress has been around since 2003, btw.
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Asherlee10 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

How is web development a bubble?

I think to an extent is it because your average website can now be built with do-it-yourself modules and you do not need web dev experience to make a good website.

That wasn't the case even as little as 5 years ago.

That was definitely the case 5 years ago lol
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Using vanilla JS all you need to do is give a limited prompt of colors maybe in a dropdown list. Then use the selection and map it to the hex code for the color.

Even better, don't limit their color choices but present a color wheel.
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Hexenherz posted...

TheDarkCircle posted...

Saturday Night Live

I guess technically not an anthology show, but I also meant like... continuous, plot-driven series (or at least sitcoms where you'd expect the same cast every week, not a variety/comedy show like SNL/MadTV/etc.).

I know shows have switched out a few characters here and there, or even sometimes an actress for a character (which is really dumb), but again, I can't think of an instance where the whole cast switched out except for the main character and one of the "main" side characters.

Scrubs
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So few of those bands are indie??

Nick Drake
Joanna Newsome
Elliott Smith
Arcade Fire
The National
Grizzly Bear

are about it with only the bold ones having an "indie" sound. lol...
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Naysaspace posted...

reading your info from reddit will give you a very, very skewed view of what is really going on.

they are doomsdayers and overblow the shit out of everything.

no, companies will not charge you more money to go to certain websites. it's just basic bad business.

Yes they will.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Romulox28 posted...

it will be interesting to see what is done with the working class in the US when this tech is ubiquitous. seems more and more like UBI will become a necessity

Goods and services will become much cheaper which means people will work less for the same standard of living.

Haha very optimistic
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Wow that was quick, didn't you just pass your quals a year ago? Maybe it was two years by now.
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Blue_Inigo posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

Oshawottownage posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

So I just googled this. Why can a super saiyan fight a super saiyan god blue? What's with this shitty power scaling?

Because its a FUSED SSJ2.

And one of the fusees is literally female Broly.

Wasn't Vegito SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta? Vegito was stronger than Buu but isn't God Saiyan much, much stronger than that?

A SS2 Vegeta and a SS2 Caulifila are on very different scales

Clearly, the power creep in super is even worse than in DBZ.
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Oshawottownage posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

So I just googled this. Why can a super saiyan fight a super saiyan god blue? What's with this shitty power scaling?

Because its a FUSED SSJ2.

And one of the fusees is literally female Broly.

Wasn't Vegito SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta? Vegito was stronger than Buu but isn't God Saiyan much, much stronger than that?
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Blue_Inigo posted...

IllegalAlien posted...

So I just googled this. Why can a super saiyan fight a super saiyan god blue? What's with this shitty power scaling?

Because potara fusion between two already strong as fuck saiyans.

Neither of them can go even SSJ3 right? Are they just base much stronger than regular saiyans then?
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So I just googled this. Why can a super saiyan fight a super saiyan god blue? What's with this shitty power scaling?
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According to r/gradschool, there may be some changes to the bill in this aspect. If it goes through as is and I don't get compensated to make up the difference, I'm going to master out.
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A lot of programming jobs suck and are uninteresting CRUD jobs. I can assure you that 9/10 developers on this board have a shitty CRUD job. This is why I went back into the warm womb of academia, hopefully Google research will take me for machine learning after my time is up.
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Less math than some of the more heavy theoretical majors like physics or electrical engineering. So for the most part you won't be spending 15hrs a week doing proofs, but you will do that some of the time. The majority of your time will be spent programming, depending on your school this will take up a lot of time. Also, when you first start programming it's pretty difficult, but you will become good at it if you manage to persist.
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