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TopicI have a fear of being .....God?
Marauder64
01/28/18 6:55:40 PM
#39
TC, I'm a paranoid schizo that's on meds. If what I've been through is any indication, things only go downhill from here. Seek help my friend. I'm glad I did.
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 12:31:59 PM
#223
Asherlee10 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
I am open to hearing why humans should objectively be placed in a higher position above everything else in the universe. I'm just saying, I'm not going to keep my hopes up about that because I've seen you misuse the word 'objective' several times the last few days.


The Bible doesn't talk about the universe. It talks about earth. Humans value other humans more than they value animals, most of the time. The reasons for that are numerous, and a lot of them have to do with the fact that other humans love us back in the way we love them.

Asherlee10 posted...
The problem I have with this sentence is you've again degraded a Maker or God into human terms. Our beliefs, behaviors, etc are all a part of being human. We are not perfect beings. I'm not sure why you keep suggesting that a god = humans in this case.


Why is it only humans that can have beliefs or emotions? Why is it degrading to a maker to have beliefs and emotions?


Re: Bible and the Universe -- I'm not being snarky, but where are the objectively good reasons we were discussing?

Re: Gods and Beliefs -- Because if we are to assume that a Maker who is all-powerful, all-knowing, etc. (whatever deistic characteristics it should have), it having human-like preferences and emotions degrades those characteristics and makes it less of a god and more human.


How? We didn't make him. He made us. So he can give us some of his characteristics, such as being able to feel jealousy, anger, etc. Those are things he created US to have. Doesn't make God any less God at all.
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 12:19:45 PM
#214
SkittyOnWailord posted...
Something I've tried to figure out but never got a real answer. Do I get to chose if I go to heaven or hell?

Option 1: I can't chose because God's already decided for me because he controls everything. So nothing I can do or say will change that.

Option 2: I can make my own choice. And if I decide I want to go to hell then there's nothing he can do to stop me.

Additional question: If it's up to me where I go, and I decide I want to go to hell. And God is fine with my choice (willingly or not, doesn't matter for this question), why do Christians feel the need to try and convince me to "listen to God" and to go to heaven? If I want to go to hell and God's fine with my choice too then wouldn't trying to convince me otherwise be going against God and I's choice of where I'm going?

Inb4mysteriouswaysanswer


If God wants you, why would he be fine with your choice?

You see, God created hell and the lake of fire for demons . You'll notice that a lot of people reject the gospel......and if you were ever in the lake of fire, why would you want to be there? Wouldn't you want to be saved from that place? There's spirits at work behind the scenes, the holy spirit drawing people to Jesus Christ and eternal life, and evil spirits attempting to get people to join them in hell.
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 12:12:05 PM
#210
Asherlee10 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
If humans are exactly like the Maker then we are all gods. If that is not the case, then we can assume that humans are not exactly like the Maker and therefore projecting human-based emotions, beliefs, etc. onto the Maker degrades its own nature and existence as a deity.

That is just how I view it.


What's wrong with us being gods? Bible says as much actually.


I don't follow what you are conveying.


I just think it's that us humans must know our place.

If I were a video game creator, and made a video character like myself, giving him the ability to run, swim, and speak.... but the creation was also unlike myself in that say I made the creation unable to get tired from running. This is unlike myself, who can get tired from running. Likeness does not mean sameness.

The book of Isaiah chap. 55 : 8-9 states(new king James version)

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, said the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 11:46:11 AM
#195
Asherlee10 posted...
Marauder64 posted...
But yet God made humans. Go figure. He gets angry, has mercy, just like we're capable of!


I think this also degrades the characteristics of a Maker. Projecting human behaviors and beliefs onto it makes it human, not a god.


Who made who here? He made us like himself, not the other way around.

Exodus chap. 33 : 19 (New king James version) states that God said to Moses:

And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before you; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.

God does what he pleases, who can stop him?
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 11:27:29 AM
#179
But yet God made humans. Go figure. He gets angry, has mercy, just like we're capable of!
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 10:48:24 AM
#170
TheGrindery posted...
A perfect God would have had things right from the beginning.

Did God go to prison, find HIMSELF and change his ways?


Why? Cause you say so? You gonna try and tell the creator, "hey, this is how things should have been done, from my mortal imperfect perspective!" How do you know that everything hasn't happened as God
planned for it to happen?
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 10:27:30 AM
#162
TheGrindery posted...
The basic agreeable morals in The Bible ARE good. Great advice.

The bad part is actually needing a book to tell you not to lie, rape, murder or steal.


Some people do what is good in their own eyes.
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/23/18 7:30:08 AM
#131
The epistle of the paul to the Romans chap. 10 : 14-17(new king James version) states:

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias said, Lord, who has believed our report?
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This is where a person might accept Jesus, and God's message, or reject him.
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/22/18 9:36:45 PM
#103
a42ozslushie posted...
God is not an all loving being. Anyone who claims such has never read The Bible. The Jews believe they are the race of people chosen by God. In ancient times, Jews saw God as a great warrior, not an all loving hippie. This great warrior would lead his chosen race (the Jews) to mastery over all other races (goyim). This is why Judaism and Christianity are incompatible. The Jews believe the messiah will be a person born with the blood of David, who will sit on his throne in Jerusalem and rule over the entire world. Jesus did not do these things, so he is clearly not the messiah that was prophesized by the Jewish prophets. Christians do not believe God is all loving, either. They acknowledge that God has done terrible things, and will do terrible things to them unless they find salvation through Jesus' teachings. Jesus is the Christian messiah because through him you can reconcile with God.

Anyone who says god is all loving has never read the Bible or never critically thought about it's teachings. Which, to be fair, applies to most Christians and atheists who attack Christianity.


What's your definition of "love"?
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/22/18 9:26:49 PM
#95
hockeybub89 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Logically follows means its necessarily so, which is not the case here. I can totally imagine a God that made everything thing else as merely decorative creations to serve his most loved and primary creation. God didnt create cow because he likes them, but because they would serve humans, I doubt God gives a hoot about cows


That brings me back to a previous statement I made, that is a terrible god if that is the case.

Somehow God is responsible for everything and knows everything, but only the good parts are actually his doing.


The book of Isaiah chap. 45 : 7 (new king James version) states:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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TopicDo you think people will ever land on the moon?
Marauder64
01/22/18 9:05:36 PM
#11
225600 miles from earth....naaahh I don't think we made it
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/22/18 8:46:19 PM
#76
Consider Lazarus. He died, and Jesus brought him back to life. What happened to him you think? People wanted to kill the man again. I'm curious where he's chilling at today.
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TopicHow does Christianity explain the fact that they weren't the first religion?
Marauder64
01/22/18 8:44:09 PM
#75
fenderbender321 posted...
armandro posted...

what if an eternity of torture is being stuck here with you

how exactly do you picture this "torture"


It's funny you say that. I've always believed that heaven and hell are just metaphors for what your life will be like. If you cheat on spouse, steal stuff, hit people, don't love your neighbor, etc....then you will live a shitty life and be unhappy. You will be living in hell.


How you figure? God is sovereign. Think about it...we humans, even if we TRY to be perfect won't measure up. We're BORN with like a disease. It's like being born With AIDS....you got it from your parents. In everyone's case except for Christ, we were born with a sinful nature. So like, let's have a scenario. the flu can kill you unless you get the cure, let's say in this case it's the vaccine. In the same vein, wages of sin is death. The cure for this is the man who overcame death. Like literally came back to life. So, there's gonna be some people that won't die....just be transformed........that believe in him. Make no mistake a lot of us will still die.. and according to scripture will come back to life.
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TopicImagine how screwed we are if God exists.
Marauder64
01/17/18 11:44:51 AM
#158
Asherlee10 posted...
Marauder64 posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
Marauder64 posted...
What is blind faith?


Belief without understanding, knowledge, etc.


So is this what you believe a Christian does?


What? Where did I say that? I just answered your question.


Yea I know, I was just asking.
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TopicImagine how screwed we are if God exists.
Marauder64
01/17/18 11:41:50 AM
#153
Asherlee10 posted...
Marauder64 posted...
What is blind faith?


Belief without understanding, knowledge, etc.


So is this what you believe a Christian does?
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TopicImagine how screwed we are if God exists.
Marauder64
01/17/18 11:35:24 AM
#148
DarkChozoGhost posted...
Vindris_SNH posted...
Dragonblade01 posted...
Let me propose a question that might help frame a major problem with Pascal's Wager better:

Suppose an intelligent being exists and created the universe and established rules for eternal bliss and eternal damnation. Now, what if that intelligent being actually doesn't want people to believe in them, and belief in them is actually the criteria for eternal damnation?


OK, let me ask you this...

Let's assume God exists and created the universe and established the rules for eternal bliss and eternal damnation.

From there, do you think this God is more likely to:
A -- Set the criteria for eternal bliss as belief in God
or
B -- Set the criteria for eternal damnation as belief in God

... Which would you bet on, if you had to bet?

The latter. I believe an omnipotent God would reward believe based on observation and reasoning, rather than based on blind faith.


What is blind faith?
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TopicImagine how screwed we are if God exists.
Marauder64
01/17/18 10:08:22 AM
#83
Foppe posted...
Which God?
The Christian one that got tired of killing sinners, was reborn as a human baby, tried to make people nicer, got betrayed, praying to himself to forgive humans, died, came back to life, went back to heaven, demand you to pray to him in his baby human name and will send you to hell even if you spend a whole life doing good in his name?


Err.....Jah and Yeshua are two different people.
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TopicImagine how screwed we are if God exists.
Marauder64
01/17/18 9:20:19 AM
#80
Forreals..... hope you're not around when the Anti Christ is revealed!
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TopicHere's a Bible quote you never see
Marauder64
01/11/18 1:27:54 PM
#14
au_gold posted...
Didnt God encourage Abraham to commit adultery?


So, if the rules and laws were given during MOSES time, why would you try to apply them to Abraham, who was before Moses?
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TopicCrypto General #13: BATter Up!
Marauder64
01/11/18 1:20:28 PM
#305
Good time to buy more BAT?
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TopicCrypto General #11: May the Gains be with you
Marauder64
01/07/18 2:00:56 PM
#339
Meadz posted...
You'll need either a MyEtherWallet (MEW) or Metamask to purchase ICOs.

emblem boy posted...
Meadz posted...
Thats what I was saying like 3 topics ago. Big money is in the ICOs but mods wanna mod people for dropping links. smh smh

Look out for GEMS, its a new ICO that looks promising. Last day to sign up is tomorrow

How to sign up?

Check PMs


Can I get the "how to sign up" PM too?
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TopicIf God knows everything....
Marauder64
12/31/17 5:16:38 PM
#33
SageHarpuia posted...
He knows what is going to happen, but he doesn't intervene because we have free will.


I dunno..... God knows whats going to happen....and we get to view some of what he's said is going to happen via reading scripture........

God allows things to happen for his own reasons. I believe we just have limited freewill within the scope of what Gods already planned for us. Our purpose for being here as it were. Remember in Job, even the devil was just a tool used to test Job. God can use whomever he wants however he wants. What one should hope for is to be chosen by God, drawn by him to his son Jesus Christ....and chosen to be his servant, through Christ. It even comes with the benefit of eternal life!
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TopicIf God knows everything....
Marauder64
12/31/17 4:45:51 PM
#31
Dyinglegacy posted...
I have a question for you, then.

Before the dawn of existence, did God know who was going to go to heaven, and who was going to go to Hell, before people were even created?


Yes. God knows everything. If God says something will take place....it will. Best be thankful you weren't destined to be the Beast.
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TopicIt's officially over. Why do women lead men on?
Marauder64
11/29/17 3:06:15 PM
#71
I can understand your feelings TC. Getting rejected isn't always a self esteem booster.
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