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DrProfessor posted...

I said it exactly how my folks said it to me when I was 23

We're not your folks though.

DrProfessor posted...

using the qualifier practically showed I wasnt being dismissive or trolling.

I don't see how using the qualifier "practically" shows you weren't being dismissive or trolling. Note that I'm not accusing you of the latter, by the way.

DrProfessor posted...

You should probably calm down a bit.

I am calm. I just don't like it when posts lack clarity.
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DrProfessor posted...

Well said. Very well said.

It would've been nice if you bothered to expand on your point rather than have someone else extrapolate meaning from your poorly worded post. The concept of people's tastes changing all throughout their lives isn't foreign to me, so it's not as though I didn't have the prior knowledge to comprehend your post, but when you say "23 is still practically a kid." you leave this up to interpretation. In most instances when I see something like this posted or said, it is meant as a "What do you know? You only think the way you do because you're a kid" jab.

I don't mean to come off as annoying or the type of person who will find a way to be negative about everything, but I really do wish you either elaborated or worded your post differently. It's possible to say what you were trying to say in a short, concise manner in a more accurate way.
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DrProfessor posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

I've only ever been attracted to white women. I'm going to be 23 in a week, so I think it's safe to assume I'm only attracted to white women.

23 is still practically a kid.

When is someone not a kid in your opinion? Reaching the age of majority isn't good enough for you? Being able to drink alcohol in the US legally isn't enough? It seems like these days you're either a kid or an old man.

It's especially frustrating when people say they expect you to behave and act like an adult (or chastise you for acting like a kid), then they turn around and say, "You're still just a kid." Just make up your minds already: are we adults or kids? Those are mutually exclusive terms.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

Way too many words to apply sarcasm

The term sarcasm was clearly only applied to one of my short sentences. Look, you failed to interpret my post correctly. That's fine, but that's on you and not me. Don't blame others for your own shortcomings.

Re-iNcarnated posted...

sarcasm is meant to be humour

Not always knee-slapping humor, though. I wasn't attempting to make anyone laugh or chuckle with that remark.

Re-iNcarnated posted...

not your life story.

I didn't post my life story. I posted like two lines dude. I get the concept of hyperbole, but this is just disingenuous.
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Re-iNcarnated posted...

Way too many words to which figure out which part is sarcasm.

Do you even sarcasm?

Do you reading comprehension?

Zero_Maniac posted...

Big shock (sarcasm, in case you can't tell).

I thought with this right here, I made it abundantly clear that liking people of a similar ethnic background over others in the context of physical attraction is completely normal and common. Now, keep in mind I'm saying "similar" and not "same", although in this case "same" is covered by "similar".
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Mostly, yes. I've seen a good number of Asian girls, but I find White girls to be more attractive (so long as they take care of themselves). I can probably count the number of Black girls I find attractive on one hand. I guess I just go for girls who look similar in ethnicity to me, just like most people. Big shock (sarcasm, in case you can't tell).
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Far-Queue posted...

Mead posted...

Hes incorrect(redundant) in acting like it is only an act of vandalism

The fact that he cant wrap his head about how threatened and shaken a family would feel about an organization essentially declaring that they wanted them dead in such a racially turbulent time would be astonishing if we were talking about any other user

No use trying to explain it, theyre too dense.

No, I see what you're saying. I think we're just talking/typing past each other.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

I don't see how that hurts my argument.

It's obvious from all your posts that you don't see a lot of things.

Or I get lazy and don't bother to read paragraphs of ranting. Or I actually do see what is being said and disagree with it anyways.

Nice adhom, by the way. I guess that's how you establish your moral superiority, huh?
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Jen0125 posted...

Was there vandalism? Yes. Was that the only outcome that arose? No.

No one is talking about vandalism as an "outcome", aside from you I suppose. We're talking about it as something that was done. The outcome of the vandalism would be the trauma of the couple.
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Jen0125 posted...

Not surprised Zeus would defend a hate crime by calling it mere property damage literally at all.

He's not defending this hate crime, though. He's giving it the appropriate label. Is it a hate crime? Yes. Is it a threat? Yes. Is it vandalism? Also yes. He's not incorrect in calling it vandalism.
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Far-Queue posted...

Bringing up white-knighting and terms like SJW further show that you have no real argument here

Says the person bringing up personal anecdotes and irrelevant history.
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Far-Queue posted...

But comparing a singular traumatic experience, or even the years of abuse I suffered as a child, to decades of murder, rape, and terrorism perpetrated by the KKK, on top of the centuries of systemic oppression and racism that African-Americans suffered through... thats a level of trauma and fear that finds a root in your very bones.

Considering that these people did not live through slavery, I fail to see how this is relevant. I doubt that you've lived through any instances of either of these things either, so why are you getting offended for them? Don't be a white knight. You really seem like a SJW, because only SJWs like to bring up bad/stupid things that happened in the past as justification for people doing bad/stupid things in the present.

I'm sure you'll counter with, "Lol you white-knighted for that priest! SJW!" Except you'd be failing to consider that I defended the fact that he has changed, and not that he did nothing wrong or stupid.
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TheSlinja posted...

of course I think that people can and should
I just dont think its

a stupid thing

if they dont.
no one is perfect, life is hard, and all that

Yeah, life is hard. Why make it harder by holding onto something that happened literally decades ago? There is literally no benefit to holding onto an experience like this. All it is doing is generating a steady stream of cortisol in their bodies. Thus, it's a stupid thing to do.

I do feel bad that this happened to this couple. I'm not saying that they're obligated to forgive Fr. Aitcheson. However, I am saying that the smart thing to do is forgive the guy and move on. I'm not even saying they should forget what happened. I'm a firm believer of forgiving but not forgetting. Not forgiving at all is beneficial to no one, though.
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TheSlinja posted...

then clearly you dont think its as big of a deal as they do
thats the difference

Continue to believe that it's okay if people don't get past things then. Meanwhile, I'll continue to believe that people can and should get over traumatic experiences and have their own agency.
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TheSlinja posted...

the point is you don't get to choose what is unreasonable when it comes to trauma just because you don't think it was a big deal
people are different, in different situations and different personalities, and you don't get to decide what is or isnt a big deal for them.

That's not what I'm doing. I think it very much was/is a big deal. What I'm saying is that holding onto these things for literally decades is a stupid thing to do.
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Super_Thug44 posted...

i don't know what else to say to you man. no one is arguing that his threatening actions are just as bad as actually physically harming the family. we are saying that it is ridiculous to equate what he did to "just vandalism".

Okay, fair point. It still doesn't make sense to hold onto something like this for 40 years. I've had traumatic experiences too, of arguably the same caliber, but I let go of them maybe a year or two later.
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Far-Queue posted...

Im not trying to act all holier-than-thou or like some kind of history buff, but if you dont understand the symbolism behind the burning cross and why its not just some toothless threat to be shrugged off, that its not some simple act of vandalism, then sorry, but thats ignorant.

And I'm telling you that even if it wasn't a toothless threat and was in fact a very real and "toothy" threat, it's not as bad as actually carrying out the threat. Okay, so he burned a cross on their lawn. Nobody is denying that's a bad thing. As a Catholic, that especially bothers me. Did he (the guy in question) carry out the threat? If not, then I guess it really was a toothless threat.

I did read up on the significance of burning crosses, and from what I gather the only real meaning is what you've already stated. Intimidation. I don't see how this debunks my argument.

Super_Thug44 posted...

so then what the f*** are you trying to argue here man? People who burn crosses on the lawns of african american homes are communicating very specific information. you don't need any sort of intelligence other than "this is what KKK members did in the past to incite threats or fear" to understand what is going on.

What I'm arguing is that if the now-priest William Aitcheson did not act on his threat, then people should stop acting as though he did. He intimidated/threatened them, sure, but a threat itself is not as bad as that threat being carried out.

Super_Thug44 posted...

you and zeus are ridiculous. literally no one else in this topic is agreeing with what either of you are talking about and still you refuse to acknowledge that.

We're ridiculous because we're touting common sense? Why should I care if no one else agrees with me? That's not a valid reason as to why I'm wrong. This is the argument of a spineless person who can't stand to hold an opinion different from everyone else.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

First you said threats, now you're saying, words. A threat is a specific type of word. Which you're failing to understand.

Why does it matter that a threat is a specific type of word? I don't see how that hurts my argument. I realize that threats can be delivered without words, but the purpose of both is to communicate information. But sure, go ahead and play the semantics game.
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Far-Queue posted...

I learned about the KKK...

Apparently not.

Im not going to read a book...

Being willfully ignorant is much more pathetic than being ignorant by circumstance. If youre not willing to make an effort to educate yourself, then maybe you shouldnt speak to things you dont understand.

Okay. Are you going to address my actual argument rather than play the "you're uneducated" card, or are you just going to continue dodging? Tell me what is so wrong with my logic. If something about the nature of cross-burning renders my reasoning void, I'd like to know. If you're so educated, you can at least tell me that.
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Far-Queue posted...

If you dont understand the sheer terrorism employed by the KKK prior to and during the civil rights movement, and even up to today, and you dont understand the impact behind the message sent with the burning crosses, then youre ignorant. Just ignorant. Go read a book and try to better yourself.

I learned about the KKK in grade school too. I learned that they were revered for a time as a good organization, but then it was revealed that they were lynching black people and indeed committing terrorism. What I didn't learn is a very specific piece of information about them like the one you're describing. It's not like there was an entire unit of history dedicated to the KKK. I'm not going to read a book about the KKK as that's a waste of my time. I don't need to know every single little detail about the KKK and how they operate(d) to know that equating threats and vandalism to the actual heinous act is ridiculous. If I say I'm going to punch you, that's not as bad as if I actually punched you. If I say that I want to commit genocide, that's not as bad as actually committing genocide.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Threatening to rape someone is telling them that you're going to rape them. It's not a thought crime. It's the person telling them they are going to rape them.

Someone putting a burning cross on the lawn of a black persons home is telling them they want to do whatever the KKK did to black people.

They didn't go up to the house, and spray paint, "William was here."

No, the action said, "I am white, you are black, I want what the KKK does to people done to you."

It's not rocket science here.

Okay, but my point is that words or messages are not the same as actions.

Far-Queue posted...

Another person who lacks basic knowledge in American history. Pathetic.

This isn't basic knowledge, actually. This is pretty specific knowledge about the KKK. Basic knowledge would be things like "George Washington was the first POTUS under the new Constitution" or "Abraham Lincoln was assassinated." Either way, I don't need to know this tidbit of history to know that actually committing a heinous act is worse than saying you'll commit a heinous act.
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Far-Queue posted...

Anyone with even a loose understanding of American history during the civil rights movement would understand how heinous the act of burning a cross is. Pretty f***ing ignorant for anyone to chalk to up to mere vandalism.

Okay, so it was threatening vandalism. That's still not as bad as beating someone up, burning down a house, raping someone, etc. Are you going to tell me next that a rape threat is just as bad as raping someone?
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Zeus posted...

Probably because the board is full of closet-religious conservatives pretending to be liberals who believe in indelible sin so they regard the notion that people can change -- the entire ideal of our justice system -- as being impossible

What? That's not a religious or conservative stance, at least not a Christian stance. I'm a religious conservative myself, and I firmly believe people are capable of change, even major change. Five years ago I just went to Mass because my parents would punish me otherwise. Now I go to Mass because I want to go to Mass, and it's not as though my parents could do anything aside from guilt trip me if I didn't want to.
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GastroFan posted...

If he is a changed man, he should publicly apologize to those he attacked, in person. Until he does that, I wouldnt believe him.

They basically just rejected his written apology. Why would he waste his time and money going to their home only to be turned away? That's a stupid thing to do in his position.
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That would imply that anyone who frequents PotD could be holy :p
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yutterh posted...

But you know what would have been a better thing to do? Actually go to their door step and apologize in person. Not jus through a letter. The reason is because they deserve a face to face apology. Time and money may be keeping him from going now but he needs to go at some point.

I agree with this mostly. However, it takes a lot to meet people face-to-face after something like that. I suppose he could've written in his letter that he will come meet them in person to apologize, but what if they say they don't want him to come to them? For all he knows (and seemingly would have been correct to think so), they still haven't forgiven him and likely would not want to meet him in person.

Either way, time and money are likely not the obstacles. He requested permission to step down, at least temporarily, and permission was granted. He is essentially defrocked right now, as he has no assignment. I don't know if he is still getting paid, but I'm sure he could spend the gas money to get from where he lives to Maryland, or wherever this couple lives now.
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Super_Thug44 posted...

No one is talking smack about him. He's probably a decent human being right now. People are just saying an apology isn't something someone has to accept unconditionally. This man did something terrible in the past and the people he hurt don't have any obligation to accept his apology despite how well intentioned he may be now. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand for some people.

All those people who voted "No" in the poll have essentially talked smack about him. I didn't misunderstand what everyone was saying here in the slightest. My comment wasn't necessarily directed at people who posted, but the people who voted "No".
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For you schmucks on the internet, this isn't something that you really have much context for and can only view this as an outsider. You don't get to judge this guy. I met Father Aitcheson in person multiple times, and he was even a regular priest at my parish for a while. He's a solid priest. The fact that he wanted to move on is commendable, and the fact that the couple he harassed 40 years ago won't forgive him is horrible. I get that some of you might think that he shouldn't have waited so long to ask for forgiveness, but I can relate. When you do something really awful and realize how awful it was, the pure guilt and shame can keep you from asking for forgiveness for a while.

In fact, the only reason this came up was because there was a discussion being had by some parishoners relating to the KKK/racism, and Fr. Aitcheson voluntarily mentioned his experience with the KKK. He didn't have to mention that he was part of it, but he did. No one who has actually met the guy will say that he's a racist. All of you talking smack about him should be ashamed of yourselves.
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PrinPrin posted...

all these options SUCK

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Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

No, I'm just stating that you're ignorant of how to follow the Bible entirely, and therefore of course you wouldn't think that following the Bible entirely is possible.

Ignoring something in the bible isn't following it.

Again, you seem to think your interpretation/the secular interpretation of the Bible is flawless. That's an arrogant and ignorant thing to think. Until you come to accept that maybe you don't know that much about the Bible, you will not be able to learn what it actually says.

This debate is going in circles. I see no further benefit to arguing, so I'm just going to leave it.
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Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

I don't see your point. You're probably thinking you caught me in some sort of inconsistency, but that's not the case.

You claimed that "The ones who acknowledge and follow the teachings of the entire Bible, Now you're stating that it's ok not to follow the bible entirely.

No, I'm just stating that you're ignorant of how to follow the Bible entirely, and therefore of course you wouldn't think that following the Bible entirely is possible.
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Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

No, because I can't ignore something that's not a fact or based in reality. I'll concede that very few people follow the Bible 100%, but that doesn't mean it's not feasible. You seem to think it's impossible in today's western society, but it's not.

"Look, if I call myself a Christian but then refuse to acknowledge parts of the Bible, can I still call myself a Christian?"

I don't see your point. You're probably thinking you caught me in some sort of inconsistency, but that's not the case.
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Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

False. The ones who acknowledge and follow the teachings of the entire Bible, and follow the guidance of the Church that Jesus gave us are Christians. You can play with relativity if you like, but that doesn't make you smart or wise.

Ok find somebody who never wears mixed cloth clothing.

Lol. Keep showing your ignorance of the Bible. You're only demonstrating that you're an outsider looking in. You mentioned the spirit of the law vs. the letter of the law earlier, and so it's ironic that you're paying more attention to the letter of the law here. There's no point in continuing this, since you seem to think you're already well-versed in the Bible.

So you're ignoring the fact that nobody actually 100% follows the bible then.

No, because I can't ignore something that's not a fact or based in reality. I'll concede that very few people follow the Bible 100%, but that doesn't mean it's not feasible. You seem to think it's impossible in today's western society, but it's not.
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Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

False. The ones who acknowledge and follow the teachings of the entire Bible, and follow the guidance of the Church that Jesus gave us are Christians. You can play with relativity if you like, but that doesn't make you smart or wise.

Ok find somebody who never wears mixed cloth clothing.

Lol. Keep showing your ignorance of the Bible. You're only demonstrating that you're an outsider looking in. You mentioned the spirit of the law vs. the letter of the law earlier, and so it's ironic that you're paying more attention to the letter of the law here. There's no point in continuing this, since you seem to think you're already well-versed in the Bible.
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adjl posted...

And that makes a world of difference. Medicine in particular has identified numerous examples of "god's wrath" that were actually just some sort of pathogen associated with a behaviour (see: Pork and trichinosis; the rules of Kosher are pretty much just primitive food safety protocols), which can now be treated or prevented.

You're just proving your own ignorance here once again. God's wrath doesn't have to be a spectacular light show, or even something entirely beyond human comprehension. It can be those things, but that doesn't happen often. The reason you hear examples of those times where God's wrath was a huge light show is because of the very fact they don't happen often, not unlike how hearing about plane crashes on the news is more common than hearing about car crashes.

adjl posted...

That's what I said the first time, which you disagreed with. Make up your mind.

No, that's not quite what you said. You mentioned people trying to contextualize it. This implies that you think theologians go around saying that certain passages of the Bible are no longer relevant, and were only relevant in the time period in which they were written. That's not what theologians do.
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adjl posted...

Uhh, it very, very obviously has. We live in a very different world now. Heck, even the bible acknowledges this, with the whole New Testament existing to prepare people for a world that has changed since the Old Testament was written.

No it hasn't. We've improved technologically, but that's about it. The Bible does not acknowledge that society has progressed. The New Testament exists to prepare the world for the Second Coming. You're just proving your ignorance with this.

adjl posted...

It definitely did. Hence protestant denominations have different doctrines.

This does not follow. You're saying that the Church cared more about the letter of the law, and that's why the split happened and protestant denominations have different doctrines? What?

adjl posted...

So people write PhD theses on reading a couple thousand pages and interpreting everything there literally without performing any additional interpretive steps or trying to contextualize it?

In secularized theology, sure. You always have some shmucks who think they can interpret the Bible better than anyone else. But that's not real theology. Real theology is about learning not only what the Bible says and means, but also why the Bible says what it does. Theology involves having an actual relationship with God. You won't find a reputable theologian who is an atheist or agnostic.
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adjl posted...

Catholicism's insistence on following the letter at the expense of ignoring what Jesus was actually suggesting to improve the world was one of the bases for the Reformation, and later for Vatican II.

Wrong. The widespread corruption in Catholicism is what caused the Reformation, and the Vatican II just changed a lot of the disciplines. It didn't change any doctrine or values of the Church. Catholicism didn't suddenly start preaching against homosexuality and fornication after Vatican II. That's been a thing since its inception.

adjl posted...

Theological study exists because it's not practical to interpret ancient religious texts literally, so people need to consider and discuss what they mean and how to apply them to everyday life.

That's not at all why theology exists. Again, you're speaking from ignorance.
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adjl posted...

The problem with the bible is that it's 2000+ years old

That's not a problem.

adjl posted...

Anything that's that old is going to be out of touch with the realities of modern society,

Not necessarily. I'm guessing you're a progressive who thinks that society has actually evolved throughout history, though. You think ideas like feminism and socialism are new? They're not. They weren't given those names in the past, but they have definitely been tried prior to the modern era. Guess what? They didn't work.

adjl posted...

today's society is very, very different from that of the ancient Middle East

In terms of norms and values, sure. People still act the same though. Same temptations, same belief of superiority over past civilizations and cultures.

adjl posted...

That means it has to be interpreted through a modern lens,

No it doesn't. This idea lends itself to moral relativity, which is a blight on western civilization right now.

adjl posted...

some of that interpretation is going to end up concluding that parts of it are irrelevant, or would even be harmful to follow now

Nope. You're speaking from a place of ignorance.

adjl posted...

I don't think disregarding bits after proper consideration should disqualify somebody from saying they're following Jesus.

Well I do, because picking and choosing from the Bible what you want to believe isn't Christianity.

adjl posted...

Basically, it's a matter of emphasizing the spirit of the bible over the letter of it.

And who are you to decide what the spirit of the Bible is?
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Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

By an inadequate secular definition, sure. Look, if I call myself a Christian but then refuse to acknowledge parts of the Bible, can I still call myself a Christian? What if I refuse to acknowledge the Bible altogether? At some point, you can't truthfully call yourself a Christian. I know where I and the Catholic Church draw the line. Where do you?

Then literally nobody who claims to be Christian is Christian.

False. The ones who acknowledge and follow the teachings of the entire Bible, and follow the guidance of the Church that Jesus gave us are Christians. You can play with relativity if you like, but that doesn't make you smart or wise.
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Zeus posted...

You mean like Pesco-Christianity?

I don't know. I've never heard or read of that denomination, and a quick search doesn't bring up anything on them either.
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Revelation34 posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

I find it hard to call Protestants real Christians. Most denominations tend to really dumb down everything about the Faith. The way I see it, the real Christians are the Catholics and Orthodoxy. Of course, I'm biased.

All denominations are Christians by definition.

By an inadequate secular definition, sure. Look, if I call myself a Christian but then refuse to acknowledge parts of the Bible, can I still call myself a Christian? What if I refuse to acknowledge the Bible altogether? At some point, you can't truthfully call yourself a Christian. I know where I and the Catholic Church draw the line. Where do you?
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Lokarin posted...

Well, except Baptists who are the free-riders of Christianity... they're auto-forgiven for everything 'cuz they had a bath once

I find it hard to call Protestants real Christians. Most denominations tend to really dumb down everything about the Faith. The way I see it, the real Christians are the Catholics and Orthodoxy. Of course, I'm biased.
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Zeus posted...

Mostly because -- and keeping in mind that this you need a deathbed confession and absolution not just a conversion -- you aren't guaranteed to die in a way that a priest can forgive your sins.

Well, I'm assuming that when we're talking about absolution and priests we're talking about Catholicism. In Catholicism, waiting until your death to convert on purpose so you can lead whatever lifestyle you like is very much frowned upon. Confession and absolution on your deathbed (or at any point while you're well) is very much encouraged, though. Either way, the people who decide that Christianity is something to be adopted in old age will regret their decision.
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mcj882000 posted...

Ephebophilia: All the general creepiness of being attracted to underage people, without the general social shame paedophilia brings!

Uh, no. It's being attracted to people who have hit puberty but are still underage. It's not considered a mental illness, but there are ethical issues associated with it. And it very obviously does bring general social shame, as you yourself have proven.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Both make poor interpretations of their religion to justify evil.

It's clearly not meant to equate their impact on the world. If you choose to get angry because you want to see me trying to compare other things have fun!

Once again, it's not an accurate comparison. I'm not going to explain why because I don't feel like losing 3 karma or getting suspended just to make a point that likely won't convince you anyway. I'm not mad that you made an inaccurate comparison, I'm just letting you know that you did so.
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BlackScythe0 posted...

Moore is to Christianity what ISIS is to Islam.

Not an accurate analogy at all, but I'd probably get modded for explaining why.
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GastroFan posted...

The only difference between a 'Christian' and a non-Christian is that a Christian has accepted Jesus as their lord and savior

No.

GastroFan posted...

It doesn't suddenly absolve them of the consequences of their actions, no matter how odious or repugnant

Yes.

GastroFan posted...

A person can become a Christian in the last second before their death

This isn't advisable.
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I'd like to be married. Still in college though, and no one really grabs my interest.

There's no one I feel as though I can talk about my inner thoughts with.
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NightShift posted...

any mention of religion should result in a perma ban from public office.

Why? Are you going to discriminate based on religious affiliation who can run for public office? Atheists only? What a stupid post.
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Lobomoon posted...

Zero_Maniac posted...

Lobomoon posted...

All religious people say the ones that don't follow their specific religion are going to hell (assuming it has hell). What else is new?

Catholics don't say this. Catholics say that while you might not go to Hell if you're not a Catholic, your chances of going to Hell very much decrease when you become a Catholic and practice the Faith devoutly.

Can a Buddhist punch you in your Chakras if you don't believe in Buddhism and therefore don't have them?

I don't think so, but then again, I'm biased. I'm not a Buddhist, and I don't believe in things like Chakras. What's your point?
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