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I put it in the same realm as Inglourious Basterds, which i consider his best movie.

It is very talky, but QT being a master at banter and entertaining dialogue, I was hooked from the start and the beautiful escalation of tension and the payoff was very rewarding after such a long movie.

Loved it and need to watch it again.

Hairy-man posted...

_RETS_ posted...

100% leave her. Kid isn't your problem and she isn't fully committed to the relationship with you. This really only turns out one way for you.

Make plans with someone worth making plans with. If you think the guy she can't get over is a douche bag, then you think she has poor judge of character which means she is probably also prone to making bad decisions.

Cut loose, find someone you can have a relationship with that isnt a one way street.

Solid advice. Thankyou.

But heres the thing, she pursued me! Why go through all this effort. She asked me out for months. I said no because of life circumstances at the time. But I decided to give it a fucking chance.

Who knows. Probably some rebound dick, probably wanted to go the opposite direction of her ex (if you feel you are opposite of him physically and socially), but it doesn't really matter. If she is this indecisive about the people in her life and willingly subjects herself to mistreatment, she is likely to cheat on you and likely to make poor decisions any way.

Her problems, her kid, whatever are not your problems. Don't waste months or years of your life fighting an inferno with a spray gun. Just fucking bounce

100% leave her. Kid isn't your problem and she isn't fully committed to the relationship with you. This really only turns out one way for you.

Make plans with someone worth making plans with. If you think the guy she can't get over is a douche bag, then you think she has poor judge of character which means she is probably also prone to making bad decisions.

Cut loose, find someone you can have a relationship with that isnt a one way street.

nicklebro posted...

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Offworlder1 posted...

It is murder, the fact you can't understand that speaks to how blind you are, the kid was an unarmed drunk facing a nutcase with a gun pointed at him looking for any reason to kill.

@_RETS_

It isn't murder. Manslaughter sure, but it isn't murder and never should have been charged as such.

A suspect credibly believed to be armed rapidly reached for his waist. You would have shot too you liar.

Bro, that fucking snitch from the other topic got me modded. Get your ass kicking shoes on, we doin work.

Unacceptable

Offworlder1 posted...

It is murder, the fact you can't understand that speaks to how blind you are, the kid was an unarmed drunk facing a nutcase with a gun pointed at him looking for any reason to kill.

@_RETS_

It isn't murder. Manslaughter sure, but it isn't murder and never should have been charged as such.

A suspect credibly believed to be armed rapidly reached for his waist. You would have shot too you liar.

berlyman101 posted...

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TommyG663513 posted...

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berlyman101 posted...

But in the situations, clearer and more level headed instructions sure, but again unprofessional behavior isn't illegal.

It needs to be held to a much higher standard than what we see in this case and across the country. Do you think it's ok that innocent people get killed and it's sanctioned? In any other situation reckless behavior resulting in death is manslaughter, which he was charged with and acquitted.

My points are against people saying it is cold blooded murder and pretending to be outraged. It isnt.

Wow you really are fighting the good fight here.

Dishonesty, misrepresentation, and fake outrage should be called out

I think people are honestly representing their outrage and you're projecting. I was legitimately angered, unsettled, and dismayed while watching this, just as I was when I watched several other defenseless people get gunned down. I don't know how you can be so daft.

That's all great, but it doesn't make it murder.

Offworlder1 posted...

@tote_all

If this cop was not acting so hostile, telling the boy to "shut up" when the kid is trying to ask for clarification and the "cop" threatening to kill him for any mistake made you MIGHT have a point.

This guy was giving piss poor instructions, conflicting instructions, assessed the situation 100% WRONG and ended up murdering and unarmed kid who was terrified.

All of that is irrelevant. He understood the command to crawl, complied, then reached for his waist. 10/10 times this gets acquitted on those grounds alone.

TommyG663513 posted...

_RETS_ posted...

berlyman101 posted...

But in the situations, clearer and more level headed instructions sure, but again unprofessional behavior isn't illegal.

It needs to be held to a much higher standard than what we see in this case and across the country. Do you think it's ok that innocent people get killed and it's sanctioned? In any other situation reckless behavior resulting in death is manslaughter, which he was charged with and acquitted.

My points are against people saying it is cold blooded murder and pretending to be outraged. It isnt.

Wow you really are fighting the good fight here.

Dishonesty, misrepresentation, and fake outrage should be called out

_OujiDoza_ posted...

It's also known that the cop had an assault rifle with the words "you're fucked" engraved on the receiver... Protect and serve indeed.

Entirely irrelevant. Criminals should feel like they are fucked when they go against police. Not like he engraved it for this guy specifically.

berlyman101 posted...

But in the situations, clearer and more level headed instructions sure, but again unprofessional behavior isn't illegal.

It needs to be held to a much higher standard than what we see in this case and across the country. Do you think it's ok that innocent people get killed and it's sanctioned? In any other situation reckless behavior resulting in death is manslaughter, which he was charged with and acquitted.

My points are against people saying it is cold blooded murder and pretending to be outraged. It isnt.

berlyman101 posted...

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cjsdowg posted...

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I dont know, I imagine it depends on the situation. Had he crawled like he was the whole time he would be alive. He reached for his waistband and is not alive.

He did something that people normally do when their pants are falling, something that is very innocuous. But somehow this is used as a get out of jail free card for when cops blast unarmed people. The cop had the did on the ground hands where he could see them , feet crossed, and he had backup. HE could have easily cuffed him then. HE gave a common that is almost never spoken by cops .

A suspect credibly believed to be armed rapidly reaches for his waistband.

That is literally all you need to know to clearly know this wasn't cold blooded murder.

You've said that the outcome was horrible and that the cop was unprofessional. I say he was at best acting against his own interest if that was safety, and at worst setting up an innocent man to be executed.

What would you suggest to avoid this, since under the current landscape no one can be held accountable for this?

Not overcharging is one thing. Murder should have never been on the table.

But in the situations, clearer and more level headed instructions sure, but again unprofessional behavior isn't illegal.

On the suspect/victim's end, no matter What, not making any sudden movements, especially toward your waistband.

cjsdowg posted...

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I dont know, I imagine it depends on the situation. Had he crawled like he was the whole time he would be alive. He reached for his waistband and is not alive.

He did something that people normally do when their pants are falling, something that is very innocuous. But somehow this is used as a get out of jail free card for when cops blast unarmed people. The cop had the did on the ground hands where he could see them , feet crossed, and he had backup. HE could have easily cuffed him then. HE gave a common that is almost never spoken by cops .

A suspect credibly believed to be armed rapidly reaches for his waistband.

That is literally all you need to know to clearly know this wasn't cold blooded murder.

cjsdowg posted...

_RETS_ posted...

The guy was doing just fine crawling. He acknowledged that he understood the order and complied. Then he reached for his waistband. The cop has no way of knowing if he was pulling up his pants, reaching for a gun, whatever. But given the situation, it is more reasonable to assume the latter and you have to make a split second decision.

The cop should have never been charged with murder.

He wasn't doing just find crawling. He messed up before he even started crawling. Tell me do you think it is common for cops to tell people to crawl . Moreover you know there was more than one cop there. If he was scared of someone else being there he could have kept the gun aimed at the guy and waited for backup.

I dont know, I imagine it depends on the situation. Had he crawled like he was the whole time he would be alive. He reached for his waistband and is not alive.

ThanksUglyGod posted...

So the girl is considered "damaged property" and the man just has to marry her and pay her father.

Yup, seems totally fair.

Not considered damaged property by God, but by the society at the time. Marriage was the one way of giving her at least a little hope she wouldn't be at the absolute bottom of society and a way to try and salvage a bad situation.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

It takes very little time for a skilled handgun shooter to unholster and unload. In addition the cop had reports that the suspect was armed.

it also takes very little time to check the guy for weapons or to handcuff him. why couldn't one of the cops slowly move towards the guy to frisk and detain him while the other stood guard? from the very start the cops handled the situation like complete shit.

I acknowledge and agree with your other post, but I am quoting this one to reiterate why it wouldn't be best to approach him if he was still in front of his room's door.

I'm not sure if he even was, but you can't immediately jump to the order to crawl being absurd.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

_RETS_ posted...

If you relent the possibility the guy could have another gun, and you see that guy reaching for his waist, you can't possibly think it's cold blooded murder with any degree of honesty.

stop telling me what i think, you can't possibly know that. don't be so arrogant. also, you can't just say "objectively, <insert my views here>" and make yourself right, you know. and saying things like "don't play dumb" is incredibly condescending and not conducive to a healthy discussion.

the cop could have done so many things differently. he made a series of poor decisions rooted in his power trip which lead to the death of an innocent man.

You yourself relented the possibility of another gun. That reasonable assumption alone would make it not cold blooded murder. I'm using your own words, not telling you what you think. Chill.

And Yes, he acted horrible unprofessional, but that's not illegal and it isnt murder. Murder was the wrong charge and it's right that he was acquitted of it.

Letron_James posted...

We should stop having beta ass trigger happy racist piece of shit cops honestly

but hurr durr the bad apples who slaughter hundreds of civilians a year are the only problem, not the fact that the entire system is set up to forgive murders as long as they wear blue

Racist seems like an odd word to use in this scenario

Keith_Valentine posted...

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ScazarMeltex posted...

The worship of police in this country has to stop. The victim in this scenario has no training on how to deal with twitchy asshole cops. The police officer has had plenty of training on how to deal with situations like this. Excusing this lapse of judgment that ended with an innocent man dead is exactly why this shit will keep on happening.

Reportedly armed suspect reaches quickly for waistband.

Murder was the wrong charge.

Voluntary manslaughter, as I've been saying. Trying to charge him with murder for max sentence was grand standing and stupid. Proly some asshole trying to make a name

I agree. It sucks because a guy is dead who happened to be unarmed and it feels like someone should be held accountable, but charging him with murder was uncalled for

Keith_Valentine posted...

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Keith_Valentine posted...

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Keith_Valentine posted...

As a cop, you are trained to use critical analysis. Not just your gun. Overweight sobbing kid. Why did he need to crawl? Why didn't they just order him lying facedown, arms and legs spread? Then secure him that way.

If they keep letting these cops off, they will keep killing people. It has to stop. This is voluntary manslaughter, I don't care what excuse they use. He should serve prison time.

I already explained possible justification for having him crawl. I can repost it if youd like.

I don't need your explanation. I'm telling you.

"I have already decided to be outraged because the media tells me I should be, so I refuse to apply any critical thought or look at the scenario objectively."

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

No, I will answer you seriously.

We've been in dangerous situations. This guy is a cop , he is trained to be in dangerous situations. It's part of the job of enforcing the law.

I've seen some shit, dealt with plenty of cops. I get the threat of a weapon . This cop is screaming at this kid 'I will kill you'. Right off the bat that's wrong. You don't get to threaten to kill people. You WARN them that you will use force and shoot if t hey take any aggressive action.

You order them facedown, arms and legs spread wide. His partner was there securing the target. Approach and secure his hands and feet. There were no other threats.

Now the analysis. This perp is sobbing and scared, because the cop is telling him he will kill him. Extremely unprofessional. Then he kills the guy on top of it while he's drunkenly crawling at him.

Not ok, totally unacceptable behavior from an officer. He needs to be punished as an example that you can't get trigger happy everytime you're scared. He deserves prison time for how badly he fucked that up.

I agree with unprofessionalism. But that isn't illegal and it isn't murder.

Did there happen to be no other second party? Yes.

But the guy was seen in his room with someone else with a visible rifle.

As an officer, I (and you as well) would want this guy away from his room that can be reasonably suspected, given the reports, to contain another armed individual.

Villain posted...

Again, are tasers no longer a thing?

Not when a suspect is believed to be armed with a gun, no.

ScazarMeltex posted...

The worship of police in this country has to stop. The victim in this scenario has no training on how to deal with twitchy asshole cops. The police officer has had plenty of training on how to deal with situations like this. Excusing this lapse of judgment that ended with an innocent man dead is exactly why this shit will keep on happening.

Reportedly armed suspect reaches quickly for waistband.

Murder was the wrong charge.

berlyman101 posted...

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Zikten posted...

I could not and would not shoot a man begging for his life.

This suggests that it is entirely unprecedented and impossible for a suspect to feign cooperation before drawing a gun.

The cop didn't shoot a man begging for his life. He shot a man, credibly believed to be armed, reaching rapidly toward his waistband.

You are being extremely dishonest.

That the police assume this right away despite and are legally protected with it and use it to shoot down innocent citizens with assault rifles is beyond a joke and horrifying. I don't know why you're defending his actions.

If you can see why he would shoot the man, you can see why he failed horribly to ensure his own safety and that of his officers. You could see that his orders were contradictory and clumsy, and that his communication was ineffective. You could see why the guy who got shot begging on his knees and sobbing was put in a situation to fail. All of this culminated in a situation where he chose to infer that he needed to use deadly force. Unfortunately this is the standard.

Yet you think there's nothing wrong with any of what the police did? You think there's nothing wrong with laws that support shooting someone who could have been neutralized but was instead terrorized?

Need I remind you that shortly after they sacked the guy for sucking at his job? Is there nothing there that sheds light on any of this?

The guy was doing just fine crawling. He acknowledged that he understood the order and complied. Then he reached for his waistband. The cop has no way of knowing if he was pulling up his pants, reaching for a gun, whatever. But given the situation, it is more reasonable to assume the latter and you have to make a split second decision.

The cop should have never been charged with murder.

Keith_Valentine posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Keith_Valentine posted...

As a cop, you are trained to use critical analysis. Not just your gun. Overweight sobbing kid. Why did he need to crawl? Why didn't they just order him lying facedown, arms and legs spread? Then secure him that way.

If they keep letting these cops off, they will keep killing people. It has to stop. This is voluntary manslaughter, I don't care what excuse they use. He should serve prison time.

I already explained possible justification for having him crawl. I can repost it if youd like.

I don't need your explanation. I'm telling you.

"I have already decided to be outraged because the media tells me I should be, so I refuse to apply any critical thought or look at the scenario objectively."

Thanks for saving me the trouble.

Zikten posted...

wasn't this cop fired? he got fired if I remember right, right after the shooting. and then had the trial. that means even his fellow cops thought it was fucked up

Being fired for something doesn't make it illegal and it doesn't make it murder.

But, and I'm not sure about this, I think he was fired for unrelated reasons anyway.

Keith_Valentine posted...

As a cop, you are trained to use critical analysis. Not just your gun. Overweight sobbing kid. Why did he need to crawl? Why didn't they just order him lying facedown, arms and legs spread? Then secure him that way.

If they keep letting these cops off, they will keep killing people. It has to stop. This is voluntary manslaughter, I don't care what excuse they use. He should serve prison time.

I already explained possible justification for having him crawl. I can repost it if youd like.

Zikten posted...

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You are being extremely dishonest.

you can think that but I could never bring myself to kill someone in that position. maybe it would be a ruse and I'd get killed. whatever. I guess I'd just die then

I couldn't live with myself after if the guy was innocent and I blew him away

How honorable of you. Not everyone is so willing to die in the line of duty if they can prevent it.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Guilty of What? He was charged with murder right? He was objectively not guilty of murder.

agree to disagree i guess, i consider that cold blooded murder.

If you relent the possibility the guy could have another gun, and you see that guy reaching for his waist, you can't possibly think it's cold blooded murder with any degree of honesty.

It is horrible the guy died because of the whole fucked up scenario, but it is not an unjustifiable cold blooded murder that everyone is pretending it is.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Copy and pasted from the other topic

Yes it is a high tension situation. It is for the officer as well. Reports were the guy was armed because he was seen with a gun. There was no indication that he had no gun on him.

He reached suddenly for his waistband.

If you're the cop, 10 times of 10 you would shoot as well. You wait long enough to see what the suspect is rapidly reaching for and you're dead. That's why it is ill advised to make rapid movements at all, much less reach for your waist.

I'm not calling what I saw emotional appeal. I'm saying headlines saying "man crying for his life shot dead by police" is emotional appeal to manipulate people into immediately siding against the police.

Nothing about crying limits someone from still reaching for a gun or firing on an officer. The crying and begging part is irrelevant.

The only relevant points are:

- Man is seen in hotel window with rifle with another person
- other patrons see this and justifiably call the police
-police respond to reported armed suspect
- police order suspect down and then suspect is ordered to crawl toward officer for apprehension
- suspect, still justifiably presumed to be armed, reached rapidly for waist band
- officer fires upon seeing this action

These are the objective facts. Any hurt, knowing these facts and seeing them in video would also acquit.

It is a horrible outcome, but the jury made the right call. It wasn't murder. It was a cop reacting to a reportedly armed suspect that reached for their waist.

any cop who legitimately thought that guy was hiding a rifle behind his back is unqualified for even the most basic of jobs involving intelligent thought. you have got to be fucking kidding me

Come on man... don't pretend to be dumb.

He was seen with a rifle. If someone is reported to be armed, there is no reason to believe they only have a single weapon. In fact, you should assume they dont just have a single weapon.

I doubt the officer thought he was reaching for a rifle, but there is absolutely no reason at all to assume, given the facts I laid out above, that he wouldn't also have a handgun.

valid point about another gun being a possibility.

regardless, if i was on that jury i would have found the cop guilty based on watching that video.

Guilty of What? He was charged with murder right? He was objectively not guilty of murder.

Zikten posted...

I could not and would not shoot a man begging for his life.

This suggests that it is entirely unprecedented and impossible for a suspect to feign cooperation before drawing a gun.

The cop didn't shoot a man begging for his life. He shot a man, credibly believed to be armed, reaching rapidly toward his waistband.

You are being extremely dishonest.

Zikten posted...

it's not fair that the cops get the advantage when both sides are stressed out. basically the message is that when a suspect and a cop are both stressed and freaking out, the cop always gets the benefit. both sides maybe were scared but the government sides with the cop every time. the cops are supposed to protect us, but the laws are set up so that a scared cop is allowed to murder people. the guy wasn't thinking straight. he didn't expect to be shot for pulling his pants up and he was scared out of his mind. fuck that cop. they shouldn't have made him crawl anyway. that was a poor order to make. it increased the tension and directly lead to the death.

The government didn't acquit him. We, meaning citizens, did.

The guy reaching for his waist was reasonably perceived to be a threat. You would have shot too.

As for the crawl order, could easily be to get the guy away from his hotel room door, since there were 2 people seen when patrons saw him with the rifle. The order would be right so it doesn't put the cop in front of the room that can be reasonably assumed, given the reports, to contain a second armed individual.

Everyone needs to pump the breaks on the fake outrage and apply some thought. Literally every single one of you ITT would shoot the guy who you have been told is armed and reaches for his waistband. Every single fucking one of you.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

_RETS_ posted...

Copy and pasted from the other topic

Yes it is a high tension situation. It is for the officer as well. Reports were the guy was armed because he was seen with a gun. There was no indication that he had no gun on him.

He reached suddenly for his waistband.

If you're the cop, 10 times of 10 you would shoot as well. You wait long enough to see what the suspect is rapidly reaching for and you're dead. That's why it is ill advised to make rapid movements at all, much less reach for your waist.

I'm not calling what I saw emotional appeal. I'm saying headlines saying "man crying for his life shot dead by police" is emotional appeal to manipulate people into immediately siding against the police.

Nothing about crying limits someone from still reaching for a gun or firing on an officer. The crying and begging part is irrelevant.

The only relevant points are:

- Man is seen in hotel window with rifle with another person
- other patrons see this and justifiably call the police
-police respond to reported armed suspect
- police order suspect down and then suspect is ordered to crawl toward officer for apprehension
- suspect, still justifiably presumed to be armed, reached rapidly for waist band
- officer fires upon seeing this action

These are the objective facts. Any hurt, knowing these facts and seeing them in video would also acquit.

It is a horrible outcome, but the jury made the right call. It wasn't murder. It was a cop reacting to a reportedly armed suspect that reached for their waist.

any cop who legitimately thought that guy was hiding a rifle behind his back is unqualified for even the most basic of jobs involving intelligent thought. you have got to be fucking kidding me

Come on man... don't pretend to be dumb.

He was seen with a rifle. If someone is reported to be armed, there is no reason to believe they only have a single weapon. In fact, you should assume they dont just have a single weapon.

I doubt the officer thought he was reaching for a rifle, but there is absolutely no reason at all to assume, given the facts I laid out above, that he wouldn't also have a handgun.

Copy and pasted from the other topic

Yes it is a high tension situation. It is for the officer as well. Reports were the guy was armed because he was seen with a gun. There was no indication that he had no gun on him.

He reached suddenly for his waistband.

If you're the cop, 10 times of 10 you would shoot as well. You wait long enough to see what the suspect is rapidly reaching for and you're dead. That's why it is ill advised to make rapid movements at all, much less reach for your waist.

I'm not calling what I saw emotional appeal. I'm saying headlines saying "man crying for his life shot dead by police" is emotional appeal to manipulate people into immediately siding against the police.

Nothing about crying limits someone from still reaching for a gun or firing on an officer. The crying and begging part is irrelevant.

The only relevant points are:

- Man is seen in hotel window with rifle with another person
- other patrons see this and justifiably call the police
-police respond to reported armed suspect
- police order suspect down and then suspect is ordered to crawl toward officer for apprehension
- suspect, still justifiably presumed to be armed, reached rapidly for waist band
- officer fires upon seeing this action

These are the objective facts. Any hurt, knowing these facts and seeing them in video would also acquit.

It is a horrible outcome, but the jury made the right call. It wasn't murder. It was a cop reacting to a reportedly armed suspect that reached for their waist.

berlyman101 posted...

Axiom posted...

Police getting away with murder yet again. I'm sure the jury was filled with people of the opinion that police can do no wrong. Fucking disgusting

There may have been some people like that in the jury but more likely reasonable people were coerced into the verdict with the open-interpretation laws that direct cases like these.

There was nothing confusing about "crawl to me" and he was doing just fine until he reached for his waist.

All this "crawling, groveling for his life" bullshit is emotional appeal. Nothing about crying for his life prevents him from also drawing a weapon and using it. Or do you think it's unprecedented that shooters feign compliance before drawing their weapon? Yeah, it sucks it went the way it did. But you can't make a sudden movement toward your waistband and not expect to get shot.

The guy was being screamed at with a gun in his face. Any time he asked for clarification he was told to shut up and that he would be shot. I myself was thinking along with the deceased and when he said to crawl to him he was still under order to keep his hands straight up in the air. Does that mean put your hands on the floor? Inch toward him on your knees? He was likely going through the same confusion and yet had no way of communicating without fearing for being shot.

You call what you saw emotional appeal? If so it's completely reasonable to be begging for your life and especially because he was swiss cheesed for making a mistake. Holding a gun to a person and telling them not to fuck up and then murdering them should not be protected by extremely vague laws.

You're saying, "sucks that he died" when the officers were the ones who were incompetent. That creates an environment where people fear these lunatics with good reason and don't trust them and this cycle of incompetence, judicial failure, and senseless death continues.

Yes it is a high tension situation. It is for the officer as well. Reports were the guy was armed because he was seen with a gun. There was no indication that he had no gun on him.

He reached suddenly for his waistband.

If you're the cop, 10 times of 10 you would shoot as well. You wait long enough to see what the suspect is rapidly reaching for and you're dead. That's why it is ill advised to make rabid movements at all, much less reach for your waist.

I'm not calling what I saw emotional appeal. I'm saying headlines saying "man crying for his life shot dead by police" is emotional appeal tp manipulate people into immediately siding against the police.

Nothing about crying limits someone from still reaching for a gun or firing on an officer. The crying and begging part is irrelevant.

The only relevant points are:

- Man is seen in hotel window with rifle with another person
- other patrons see this and justifiably call the police
-police respond to reported armed suspect
- police order suspect down and then suspect is ordered to crawl toward officer for apprehension
- suspect, still justifiably presumed to be armed, reached rapidly for waist band
- officer fires upon seeing this action

These are the objective facts. Any hurt, knowing these facts and seeing them in video would also acquit.

It is a horrible outcome, but the jury made the right call. It wasn't murder. It was a cop reacting to a reportedly armed suspect that reached for their waist.

berlyman101 posted...

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Xelltrix posted...

This is sick, I missed out on this case when it eaa on going but they just showed a body cam video of it. This is just straight up disgusting.

http://www.azfamily.com/story/37024282/mesa-police-release-dramatic-body-camera-video-following-brailsford-verdict

Im waiting to get my haircut and I watched this body. Cam footage on TMZ (gross, I know) and its just outright appalling. I cant believe he was found not guilty of murder. I dont even see how that could be as low as manslaughter if they go for that, he just straight up murdered someone.

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

Fuck that. You don't get to kill someone because you terrorized and disoriented them and made a move that can be interpreted any way the killer wants. The dead man did nothing wrong and should never have been put in that situation. And it's clear that the cop had an agenda and was continually escalating the situation and giving contradictory orders by his own incompetence, which he was fired for not long thereafter.

Add to that that these jokers had no idea what they were doing. They were getting frustrated by their own disorganization.

It's protected by law and it absolutely should not be.

Not to mention the cop had "You're Fucked" engraved on his barrel, which the judge did not admit into evidence.

So while I don't think you're stupid, this

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

is an incredibly stupid and callous thing to say.

Nothing I said was wrong. The guy was seen with a rifle through a hotel window with another person, and hotel guests that saw this rightfully reported it to the police, who showed up expecting at least 1 armed individual.

So far, all is normal.

Had the guy continued crawling how we was, he wouldn't have been shot. He made an obvious and abrupt reach for his waistband for whatever reason, which literally anyone could reasonably perceive as a reach for a weapon especially after credible reports of an armed individual.

There was nothing confusing about "crawl to me" and he was doing just fine until he reached for his waist.

All this "crawling, groveling for his life" bullshit is emotional appeal. Nothing about crying for his life prevents him from also drawing a weapon and using it. Or do you think it's unprecedented that shooters feign compliance before drawing their weapon? Yeah, it sucks it went the way it did. But you can't make a sudden movement toward your waistband and not expect to get shot.

Again, it sucks and there are no winners. But a murder charge is completely baseless.

Xelltrix posted...

This is sick, I missed out on this case when it eaa on going but they just showed a body cam video of it. This is just straight up disgusting.

http://www.azfamily.com/story/37024282/mesa-police-release-dramatic-body-camera-video-following-brailsford-verdict

Im waiting to get my haircut and I watched this body. Cam footage on TMZ (gross, I know) and its just outright appalling. I cant believe he was found not guilty of murder. I dont even see how that could be as low as manslaughter if they go for that, he just straight up murdered someone.

I watched the full video of the moment of the shooting ready to call foul like everyone else, but the guy abruptly reached back toward his waistband.

Sucks he died, but the verdict is not nearly as outrageous as people are pretending it is.

So would customers not just patronize the airlines that choose to maintain the transparency, which would make competition adjust?