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Sativa_Rose posted...

This isn't a Munich moment... we're not giving Putin new land.

Are you sure about that? Seems to me like Russians are perfectly allowed to vote in the midterms
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Going immediately to the Hitler reference.

On the one hand, its absurd. On the other, its a bold move that had me chuckle. I approve

Hey, it's the Internet. Going for Hitler is mandatory :)
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"No no, when I Peace in our time, what I actually meant to say was War in our time"
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hollow_shrine posted...

Veggeta X posted...

Do Nigerians, Brazilians, Haitians and Jamaicans get mad when you call them African American?

Some do. In their cultures being black doesn't carry the stigma of cyclical poverty, prone to violence, and lack of education that it does here. In a real sense, they're getting here and essentially discovering for the first time that they are considered 'black' here. When you consider that a lot of those immigrants are themselves highly educated and successful and still putting up with racist assumptions from people who only see their skin color, and you can see how some of them have come to resent the association altogether. In some respects they're right to be mad, but oftentimes they're wrong to blame their frustrations on black America, rather than the stereotypes propagated about black America.

https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2012/01/28/affirming-a-divide
https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/04/05/inenglish/1491390844_576668.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Brazil
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COVxy posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Ah yes, the classic "sample size is too small" argument. I wonder if this is so common because it's the only statistics term that the regular CEman knows?

To be fair, it's a nonintiutive concept that you can sample an extraordinarily small number of people in the scope of the target population and accurately estimate parameters. That said, it's clear that this is the go to: "i don't have any real criticism of the study, but I don't like it's conclusion" response.

Yeah, a lot of statistics is non-intuitive. But people once learned the terms "mean", "standard deviation" and "sample size" and then they think they're experts. Is that the Dunning-Kruger effect, or am I thinking of something else?
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...just because Hitler told him so
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Ah yes, the classic "sample size is too small" argument. I wonder if this is so common because it's the only statistics term that the regular CEman knows?
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Yeah, the idea that sloths evolved into horses who evolved into monkeys who evolved into humans is a load of BS indeed.
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DE is definitely top tier CE posters
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gunplagirl posted...

The punchline is still "they're in bed with each other. Two men. Hah, gross."

No it isn't
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gunplagirl posted...

Are straight people marginalized? Has "hah, straight" ever been an insult? The imagery used against the two is very explicitly demonstrating gay stereotypes in their bed sharing as you call it. How you can deny it is beyond me.

By all means, educate me. What are the gay stereotypes used in the image ITT?
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gunplagirl posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Actually I'm inclined to agree that it's not homophobic. It was mentioned ITT already, they're in bed together politically. If Putin or Trump were a woman, the comic would be just as relevant and have the same punchline.

But he's not a woman, just like those "what if Obama did this" examples are of things Obama would never actually do. Whataboutism isn't actually a valid point.

It's not whataboutism. I'm saying that the punchline isn't "look they're gay haha", it's "they're in bed together politically". Now of course you can argue that that in itself is a homophobic idiom, and I would disagree.
So I'm not bringing up "if it were a woman" to try and show some double standard, I'm bringing it up because the point made would be the same one.
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Actually I'm inclined to agree that it's not homophobic. It was mentioned ITT already, they're in bed together politically. If Putin or Trump were a woman, the comic would be just as relevant and have the same punchline.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

scar the 1 posted...

rip man defaces
shot up to 92 graves

That's not funny

Hey now, that's completely unfair.
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Nomadic View posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Trump is wrecking America :)

The stock market is at record highs. Black unemployment is the lowest in recorded history. ISIS is practically destroyed.

...the horror.

They're putting kids in cages and poverty is on the rise :)
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Trump is wrecking America :)
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Kineth posted...

scar the 1 posted...

DW7stillrules posted...

I remember when the French team was actually indigenous French.

I don't. When was this?

Maybe before the Indo-European migration 6000 to 10000 years ago where ~20% of European DNA directly comes from Persia. Or maybe before Genghis Khan skeeted all over the world 800-ish years ago.

Yeah sure but I don't remember that time
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DW7stillrules posted...

I remember when the French team was actually indigenous French.

I don't. When was this?
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Esrac posted...

Well, when they cast a no-name trans actor and no one goes to see the movie, what will they say then?

As the saying goes, "get woke, go broke". Heh.

They'll probably applaud it and it will go on to win a thousand Oscars for being super progressive.
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gmanthebest posted...

pinky0926 posted...

She wasn't bullied out of it. A community was critical, and after listening to them she changed her mind.

But why were people critical of it? Was it because she isn't trans? It's acting, they can get over it.

The argument is that transgender actors have a hard time getting established on the scene because of structures and traditions that have excluded them. A cisgender actor taking on a role such as this just because it's a big name is the manifestation of such an exclusionary tradition.
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This is a monumentally not so intelligent topic
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

scar the 1 posted...

The best defense is always "but others are worse", isn't it

When everyone is usually saying "we should be like the others"

Yeah, it's a good defense.

Who's saying that? Are you conflating some others with other others?
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The best defense is always "but others are worse", isn't it
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DarkTransient posted...

"Latinx" means "Latina or Latino". From what I've heard, if you use that term around actual Latino / Latina people (except those who are US-born, never been to a Latino country in their life, don't even speak Spanish, and are way into the SJW movement), you'll get mocked to hell and back.

Obviously. In Spanish, Portuguese, etc, the male form takes precedence when the group includes both, so then it would be Latino. But I'm not typing this in Spanish. But I'll use Latino henceforth if you're bothered by it.

ThunderMuffin posted...

i actually dont get this. why would someone committing an illegal act not be punished. its illegal. idgi.

Do you actually not get it? Let's see. In America (as well as any other country) people commit more crimes and misdemeanors than there are resources to deal with. This is true everywhere. For example, there aren't enough cops to prevent people from smoking weed, or jaywalking, or whatever else might be illegal but deemed not so bad. That's where the executive branch comes in. At their discretion, they direct law enforcment to go after certain crimes and misdemeanors through policy.
Trump's zero-tolerance policy is definitely aimed at Latino people. It's costly, it's resulted in separations of children and parents, and it's inefficient. There were programs in place before this policy that worked quite well. People did show up to their hearings, and they did abide by the court decisions. Not to mention the fact that crime rates are lower among "illegal immigrants" than among Americans.
There's another argument as well. Many of these families are fleeing really rough, gang-dominated environments. Gangs that the US helped make possible. You often hear people talk about how horrible MS-13 is, and that's what they're running from. And the US shares the blame for the existence of such gangs. Is it then very humane to arrest people and separate them from their kids when they're running to the US, just because they committed a misdemeanor? It's not a big crime.

So to answer your question, why shouldn't an illegal act be punished? There can be several reasons for it. It's too costly to seek out and punish offenders, it's too inefficient, it's not humane, etc.
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Shuto-uke posted...

do you have a tax for driving your car into london?
do you have a tax for having TV signal?
are certain kinds of pron banned in the uk?
did the UK vote for brexit?
do you worship an old queen who is also the head of your chuch?
did you have the world's greatest empire and now even france is stronger?

Tax for driving in London is quite reasonable, the analogy would be road pricing in America.
The TV license thing is arguable. I quite like it in the case of the UK because the BBC aren't so bad. The idea is to have a media that is not after profits in the same sense as private actors, but it's tricky to properly decouple it from the state.

Neither of all of these things are indications of a country being dystopian in any sense of the word.
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Bump
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DarkTransient posted...

This... is actually a fairly reasonable point. Of course, I assume you won't complain if, when Democrats are in power, they get criticized...?

Uhhh... anyone in power should be scrutinized and criticized. It's an important function in a democracy.
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Eat More Beef posted...

littlebro07 posted...

Wait

So did he say his own "accomplishment" was fake news

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E32005 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Nevertheless, I think it's quite interesting how he started propagating an anti-NATO stance suspiciously soon after his Moscow trip.

the whole rnc is slurping russia now.

obama tried to work with putin for years and they cries like bitches. now its suddenly ok.

Surely if you try you can understand the difference between what Trump is accused of doing and what Obama's administration attempted?
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Nevertheless, I think it's quite interesting how he started propagating an anti-NATO stance suspiciously soon after his Moscow trip.
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Caution999 posted...

Imagine believing this

The article itself doesn't even say to believe it. It says "let's not rule it out". But sure
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Couldn't find a topic about this New York Magazine piece, and I thought it was a fun read. Here you go, with some excerpts:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

The unfolding of the Russia scandal has been like walking into a dark cavern. Every step reveals that the cave runs deeper than we thought, and after each one, as we wonder how far it goes, our imaginations are circumscribed by the steps we have already taken. The cavern might go just a little farther, we presume, but probably not much farther. And since trying to discern the size and shape of the scandal is an exercise in uncertainty, we focus our attention on the most likely outcome, which is that the story goes a little deeper than what we have already discovered. Say, that Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort told their candidate about the meeting they held at Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer after they were promised dirt on Hillary Clinton; and that Trump and Kushner have some shady Russian investments; and that some of Trumps advisers made some promises about lifting sanctions.

But what if thats wrong? What if were still standing closer to the mouth of the cave than the end?

The contents of these communications have not been disclosed, but what Brennan learned obviously unsettled him profoundly. In congressional testimony on Russian election interference last year, Brennan hinted that some Americans might have betrayed their country. Individuals who go along a treasonous path, he warned, do not even realize theyre along that path until it gets to be a bit too late. In an interview this year, he put it more bluntly: I think [Trump] is afraid of the president of Russia. The Russians may have something on him personally that they could always roll out and make his life more difficult.

While the fact that the former CIA director has espoused this theory hardly proves it, perhaps we should give more credence to the possibility that Brennan is making these extraordinary charges of treason and blackmail at the highest levels of government because he knows something we dont.

During the Soviet era, Russian intelligence cast a wide net to gain leverage over influential figures abroad. (The practice continues to this day.) The Russians would lure or entrap not only prominent politicians and cultural leaders, but also people whom they saw as having the potential for gaining prominence in the future. In 1986, Soviet ambassador Yuri Dubinin met Trump in New York, flattered him with praise for his building exploits, and invited him to discuss a building in Moscow. Trump visited Moscow in July 1987. He stayed at the National Hotel, in the Lenin Suite, which certainly would have been bugged. There is not much else in the public record to describe his visit, except Trumps own recollection in The Art of the Deal that Soviet officials were eager for him to build a hotel there. (It never happened.)

Trump returned from Moscow fired up with political ambition. He began the first of a long series of presidential flirtations, which included a flashy trip to New Hampshire. Two months after his Moscow visit, Trump spent almost $100,000 on a series of full-page newspaper ads that published a political manifesto. An open letter from Donald J. Trump on why America should stop paying to defend countries that can afford to defend themselves, as Trump labeled it, launched angry populist charges against the allies that benefited from the umbrella of American military protection. Why are these nations not paying the United States for the human lives and billions of dollars we are losing to protect their interests?

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Annihilated posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Annihilated posted...

Because the only "important" jobs that exist are the ones we can't find enough people to do. The more people that apply for a job, the lower the wage.

Which is a skewed metric of importance. As I'm sure you meant to say with the use of your ""s

Well yes, because there's value to society and then there's value to employers. They're two entirely different things. But since it's employers that drive the economy, employers determine wages. If it were any other way, there would be a lot of wasted money and businesses would be broke and people would be out of jobs.

I'm not convinced. Nor am I convinced that there isn't a lot of wasted money right now :)
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Rika_Furude posted...

trump may be a clown, but hillary was actually corrupt.

You make it sound like Trump isn't corrupt...
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Annihilated posted...

Because the only "important" jobs that exist are the ones we can't find enough people to do. The more people that apply for a job, the lower the wage.

Which is a skewed metric of importance. As I'm sure you meant to say with the use of your ""s
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UnfairRepresent posted...

scar the 1 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

But if somehow you got a dog sandwich from China and brought it into the UK, it would not be illegal to eat it.

To my knowledge, this is the same in the Indian states where cow slaughter is illegal.

Difference is in India it's a religious thing.

You get girls beaten up at Train Stations in India for carrying beef

Sure, and I'd wager that if you were carrying around cat meat in the UK people would get pissed as well. But you're absolutely right, there's a difference. Although it's not necessarily a religious thing so much as very deeply ingrained into the culture, with roots in religion.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But if somehow you got a dog sandwich from China and brought it into the UK, it would not be illegal to eat it.

To my knowledge, this is the same in the Indian states where cow slaughter is illegal.
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rip man defaces
shot up to 92 graves
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thelastgooduser posted...

Error1355 posted...

Because the c-word for women's genitalia is also used as a sexist slur and is considered one of the most offensive words in the English language in America.

Weirdly America is the only western place that considers it sexist or a gendered insult.

I dunno I think a lot of places consider it a sexist insult. I didn't know Americans considered it gendered. Is it weird for an American to call a man a c***?

EDIT: Huh, I thought the system would auto-censor that like they do with fuck and shit
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UnfairRepresent posted...

"Fine people, both sides"

lmao
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UnfairRepresent posted...

It means "IT's true but I want to bash America so I will pretend it's false."

No, it means that there are good arguments on both sides.
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The second we invented payment
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If it's about that other topic, I think people are just saying that the UK looks more Orwellian than the US. Which is arguably true. And arguably false.
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Cave Adventure
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Alright cheers, thanks for clearing it up.
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ROBANN_88 posted...

Didn't the UK have people arrested for some Facebook posts?
And they have cameras everywhere

Yeah, the UK has had some pretty unsettling cases in the last couple of years. And they have some weird laws from the past as well. John Oliver showed some instance of how his show was literally censored in the UK because he played a video from parliament. Apparently it's still illegal to broadcast footage from parliament in a comedic context. They're pretty weird over there.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

But I really do not get how people can be cool with "The punishment for this crime is twice as bad for you because you did it down this street while those guys did it a mile away down that street so the punishment is standard."

Small technicality, but my understanding is that the punishment for the crime is different depending on where you live, not where you committed the crime? Could be wrong
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The d word for penis is also a man's name
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The c word for penis is also a bird
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Eh, the most 1984-esque quality of Trump imo is his relationship with the truth. And his super simple language I suppose, but that's a stretch. The mounting persecution of latinx people is scary but at least to me it doesn't look Orwellian.

Prosecuting illegal immigrants =/= persecuting latinos, and it doesn't matter how often you insist its the same thing.

Sure buddy
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