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Dave (surprisingly intelligently IMO) talks about why WWE thought the locker room would accept Hogan, and why in reality most didnt

My own feeling on this is WWEs decision makers, who are not African-American, probably should have talked individually to the African-American talent about this subject before making this decision, to understand what many of them felt around his remarks. Instead, it appears they came in with the idea hes Hulk Hogan and they grew up with him in their childhood and hes an icon in the sport and oh well, he said some bad things a dozen years ago without realizing that to some, those things arent stuff you blow off. The fact that the unhappiness of the Hogan return seemed so much more vehement among the group his racist remarks would have stung the most isnt surprising. It would be very difficult for white executives or people who were not African-American and grew up with a hero-worship of him to understand how they would feel. And I want to make it clear that weve had contact with a number of wrestlers on the roster about this, both African-American and not African-American, and all but one, even though nobody said anything there because it wasnt their place, is that what Kofi Kingston and/or Titus ONeil said represented their thinking in most cases. This was not African Americans being upset and non-African Americans thinking everything was fine and not looking at it the same way.

And this was a group that for the most part would have been willing to accept Hogan, but felt he made himself the victim of being filmed without his knowledge and his case was used as a warning to talent as opposed to addressing the remarks or coming off as sincerely apologetic.

The reality is that he no doubt will come across as they hoped upon this realization because like everything, this is not about sincerity or evil, but simply a failure to understand the room and a younger generation of talent that didnt grow up hearing those kind of words in their daily lives, or did but no longer feels they need to ignore and accept them as part of life as their ancestors grudgingly and bitterly felt they had to.

Another thing to keep in mind is the age issue. Vince McMahon is almost 73 and comes from a different generation. Levesque turns 49 next week and he was 15 years old in 1984, when Hogan being the top star in the business. Mark Henry is 47, and grew up on Hulkamania. Kofi Kingston is 36. When he was 12, it was 1994. Hogan was a big star, but he was at the end of his babyface run, and in Boston, it was more the era of Bret Hart. Big E is 32, so when he was 14, it was 2000. Hogan was a nostalgia act in his childhood, and thats a very different emotion.

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Ha, looking at the fan poll in the latest Observer, the Iron Man placed 3rd for MotN and 2nd for Worst MotN

Divisive!

(MotN was AJ/Rusev at 1, Lashley/Roman at 2. Worst MotN was Carmella/Asuka)
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Suprak the Stud posted...

run by a thug who basically is pillaging the country for the benefit of himself and some mobsters.

Suprak the Stud posted...

or all of our faults, we aren't Russia.

Maybe not the best time to be using that as evidence <_<
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Does anyone here just not care that the United States regularly does the same shit to Russia? This has been going on in every election since the Cold War.

Putin rigs his own elections anyway
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Honestly knowing you, Seph, Im surprised you arent advocating boots on the ground in Russia!
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

The point is that you can't blame information for an election loss. There is false information from millions of sources floating around. You can't seriously blame one source for an entire presidential loss.

Why do you think so many establishment Republicans talk like theyre scared shitless of it?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

They were about as ineffective as the social media and hacking stuff is now. If you truly think Russia changed the 2016 results then you are both delusional and ill informed.

It's delusional to think that the DNC hack and wikileaks shit (even ignoring all of the other stuff) might have swung the election by an entire 0.7%?

Not anymore than the birther movement, which was also predicated on disinformation.

Hillary was a worse candidate than Obama though

I dont think anyones saying that Russias disinformation efforts are the ONLY reason Trump won. If he was running against Obama going for a third term it wouldnt have been enough.
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Also look at the recent revelations about Russias donations to fund the NRA
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

They were about as ineffective as the social media and hacking stuff is now. If you truly think Russia changed the 2016 results then you are both delusional and ill informed.

It's delusional to think that the DNC hack and wikileaks shit (even ignoring all of the other stuff) might have swung the election by an entire 0.7%?

Trump was out there on TV TELLING people how great WikiLeaks was and to look up their stuff
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Jakyl25 posted...

Do you realize how many people, on all sides, believe 2016 Russian disinformation even still today?

(Including our President BTW)
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

They were about as ineffective as the social media and hacking stuff is now. If you truly think Russia changed the 2016 results then you are both delusional and ill informed.

Do you realize how many people, on all sides, believe 2016 Russian disinformation even still today?
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Like, Ill freely admit, I was amongst the liberals who laughed in 2012 when Romney said Russia was still our biggest global threat.

Since then, Ive been humbled, and now understand that Romney was correct.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Whether they actively colluded with his campaign to do so is the information we're still waiting on.

I mean, they did. The proof is pretty conclusive in my mind that they did collude with the campaign, and that Trump knew. Theres a preponderance of evidence.

The information we are still waiting on is whether theres enough evidence from a legal perspective to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump knew.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Vehemently disagree with this, they put a lot of time, effort, and resources into doing this. They didn't do this for dick-waving sake, they truly hated Clinton and wanted Trump in power. Whether they actively colluded with his campaign to do so is the information we're still waiting on.

They do this every election

How did they do it effectively before social media?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Am I the only one on the left or right who doesn't really care about this whole "meddling" thing, considering we have been interfering in foreign elections (and vice versa) regularly for 50+ years?

Its mostly frightening how effective they were.

Once you understand how they operate and see them in action and how they manipulate real people, its fucking insane.
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He never specifically denied it COULD be Russia

But he almost always made sure to add that it could be ANYONE doing the meddling and theres no way we could possibly know
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Tim is long gone dude
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Zuckerberg, who is Jewish, said even Holocaust deniers have a place on the platform as long as they genuinely believe the content they share.

I find that deeply offensive, he said. But at the end of the day, I dont believe that our platform should take that down because I think there are things that different people get wrong. I dont think that theyre intentionally getting it wrong.

This is so sad its almost funny
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/18/facebook-infowars-holocaust-deniers-zuckerberg-730772

Zuckerberg doesnt think Holocaust denial is necessarily born from hate

Whoo boy
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New TIME cover is NSFL
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Corrik posted...

Hence, if Hillary Clinton was exactly the same but black that she would have gotten more votes from her party simply by being that race. And of Hillary Clinton was exactly the same but male, she would have gotten less votes.

I would say youre totally missing the point of why being a woman or a minority with different life experiences than a white male is a positive for Democrat voters in this environment

But thats a given
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Well they werent peeing on Trump himself.

He was probably giving direction
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Wouldn't you kindly
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Tokoyami posted...

Andy literally pulling an all lives matter oof

If you think saying that everyone matters equally, regardless of race, creed, gender, sexuality, etc., is racist, take a long look in the mirror.

The message itself is 100% correct. The problem is that its used to create a false equivalency about historical and systemic prejudices that, yes, still majorly influence modern culture and the day to day lives of minority groups. Like signing the Civil Rights Act 50 years ago magically washed away the centuries of disadvantages that minorities struggle with.

If only that were the case.

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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Chris Cilliza is a dingus

Finally someone gets it.

Sad that Harry Enten associated with him
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I don't see any reason why we would be petrified

Oh sorry I misspoke
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The Trump Train
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KujikawaRising posted...

That judgmental nature is true intolerance.

Okay you got me
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White Politicians Matter
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It doesnt SEEM like you need Luigi for each and every one of these, but you do need him for some, so Im just sticking with him for now
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But even before the Accords really

As soon as they knew this dude got back from Maveth, thats an Avengers call IMO
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Okay, these Green Stars are legit fun

I got all 120 normal stars, beat Bowser again, and have cleared World 1 of all Green Stars

This seems different than how Galaxy 1 did its Luigi stars, but I dont exactly recall it. Wasnt it just go through the whole game again as Luigi? If so, this is WAY better

Better than Sunshine CONFIRMED.
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I wish they would have at least handwaved some excuse for why they didnt call in any bigger names to help with Hive. He seemed like an Avengers-level threat.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Man, this is such a bad look for Trump not even Rasmussen could polish this turd.

-15 approval index (between strongly approve vs. strongly disapprove) and 44% approval rating is his worst since March.

Hey, he once polled 44% in Rasmussen and called it near 50%
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Zylothewolf posted...

At least the top 5 isn't

5: Super Mario Bros
4: Mega Man 2
3: Metroid
2: Legend of Zelda
1: Super Mario Bros 3.

Still a boring list since Smb3 is his no1.

I feel like Zelda 1, SMB3, and Mega Man 2 are the only legitimate choices.
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NXT Tapings Spoilers
(NOT FOR TONIGHTS EPISODE, FOR AN UPCOMING ONE)

Ciampa new NXT Champion.
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Really you shouldnt book it as that stipulation at all, but at least that part isnt Hunters fault
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/lane-davis-ralph-retort-seattle4truth-alt-right

This is a FANTASTIC piece about a man who got so caught up in the online culture wars that he stabbed his father to death for being a leftist, and about the intellectual disconnect between the purveyors of conspiracy and their audience.

Need to finish reading this later. These online communities are pretty fucking scary.

There is a really amazing visual metaphor throughline of the piece. The writer does a great job contrasting the beautiful, welcoming neighborhood outdoors against the fact that the killer spent most of his time inside the dark, refuse-filled basement, and when he finally emerged into the light he was covered in blood.

Its a brilliant analogue to the entire idea of social isolation these hate-fueled young men have to force themselves into to allow their ideas to fester unchallenged
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/kfile-jason-lewis/index.html

This guy sounds like loads of fun
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Part of the truth is that he believes his interests ARE Americas interests, because hes the President, and he sees that role as autocratic
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So apparently, Vince missed Extreme Rules and Trips was in charge of the card order.

Part of me wonders if they intentionally leaked that to make Trips look hipper for putting Roman in the midcard and Seth in the main, but if so, THAT sure backfired.
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The people who peddle alt-right propaganda for money claim their audience just wants an outlet to be entertained by absurdist claims against leftists that channel their baser thoughts on culture to a safe catharsis.

They dont (or refuse to) realize that in fact, their audience sees their content as validation and identity-building. Actionable
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There are a ton of those jokes going around, but thats a good one
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/lane-davis-ralph-retort-seattle4truth-alt-right

This is a FANTASTIC piece about a man who got so caught up in the online culture wars that he stabbed his father to death for being a leftist, and about the intellectual disconnect between the purveyors of conspiracy and their audience.
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New Super Mario Bros U best NES game
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Surprisingly safe list.

NES Maniac Mansion though lol
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So the actress who plays Daisy is dating Logan Paul

*deep sigh*
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I also love the use of haters

Yeah, Don, a lot of us are Putin haters! Sorry haters dont like your friendship with a brutal dictator
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1019520574371123200?s=21

So many people at the higher ends of intelligence loved my press conference performance in Helsinki. Putin and I discussed many important subjects at our earlier meeting. We got along well which truly bothered many haters who wanted to see a boxing match. Big results will come!

You have to be SMART to understand Trumps moves. Hes like Rick and Morty
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1019544304853966853?s=21

Some people HATE the fact that I got along well with President Putin of Russia. They would rather go to war than see this. Its called Trump Derangement Syndrome!

Oh god, has he alienated enough people that his closest advisor is now Scott Adams?
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