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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 3:01:57 PM
#479
I guess my point is mainly... Yeah, I completely agree that there's horrible stuff going on past Trump. But reasonable people that want to know about it are going to know about it, whereas unreasonable people that don't are just going to use it as ammo and to deflect. So then you have the reasonable side going "Yeah, it's awful, isn't it?" while the unreasonable side is going "Look at this terrible thing Obama did! Look at that instead, not at Trump!" and it's not really helping anything.

My concern is just that pushing stuff like that harder in the media doesn't do much except "Look at this thing we can't do anything about" and would be used as nothing but a distraction by the right.

Though that's coming from the opinion that 90% of the people that don't know about it are ignorant on purpose and/or just don't care in the first place. I could be wrong, of course.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:54:28 PM
#475
pxlated posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
That said, I do agree that getting rid of Trump won't solve much, either. It's a very necessary step in the right direction, and one that very likely needs to happen first for any progress to be made whatsoever, but the bigger issue is the partisanship. Both sides are full of morons.

Yemen gets coverage
Trump: "Obama started this, and the democrats won't let us stop it!"
Conservatives: "Fuck you, liberals!"
Republicans suddenly propose something to "fix it" that fucks up a bunch of other shit.
Liberals: "Fuck you, conservatives!"
Democrats refuse to play ball.

Repeat.


I mean, that's definitely true. But its not like the exact same thing doesn't happen with the Russia stuff. At least if Yemen was getting more media attention, it would reach more reasonable people that are unaware of it.


I'd actually argue that based on how some conservatives reacted to Trump practically saying "I'm Putin's bitch" on national television, that if proof came out, it would move the meter a bit. The issue isn't that people don't believe proof, it's that they believe there is no proof yet. And to be fair, there isn't.

And yeah, getting the word on other terrible things out to more reasonable people is good, but they can't really do anything about it until the current situation changes.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:52:10 PM
#474
pxlated posted...
That doesn't mean it shouldn't be covered.

Ignoring it definitely won't make it go away. And the same people that would believe that the democrats are the reason trump isn't doing anything are the same people that will never be convinced trump is involved with russia, or that trump needs to go. It's no different in that regard.

Raising awareness is only ever a good thing. As corrik just proved, plenty of people are completely in the dark about what's going on.


To be perfectly fair, Corrik is lumped in with the people you speak of in the paragraph above it. Corrik doesn't know about it because he doesn't want to know about it and will likely deny it's a problem.

I'm not saying raising awareness is a bad thing. I'm just saying the Russia/Trump stuff isn't bad, either. and I think saying Trump is just a symptom of bigger problems is kind of far off base. Yeah, there are bigger problems, but Trump isn't a symptom of them. Trump is a symptom of a different kind of horrible.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:49:22 PM
#472
That said, I do agree that getting rid of Trump won't solve much, either. It's a very necessary step in the right direction, and one that very likely needs to happen first for any progress to be made whatsoever, but the bigger issue is the partisanship. Both sides are full of morons.

Yemen gets coverage
Trump: "Obama started this, and the democrats won't let us stop it!"
Conservatives: "Fuck you, liberals!"
Republicans suddenly propose something to "fix it" that fucks up a bunch of other shit.
Liberals: "Fuck you, conservatives!"
Democrats refuse to play ball.

Repeat.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:44:24 PM
#470
You don't think, for one second, that if the Yemen stuff got serious coverage, it wouldn't turn into "This started under Obama and the Democrats won't let us stop it!"?
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:41:41 PM
#467
Like, yeah, there's a forest of issues, there.

But not only is Trump planting thousands of trees a second, he's also basically standing guard to make sure nobody can even see the forest to begin with, and the Republicans are allowing him to do it.

We can throw footballs into the forest, but we can't do anything about it until we get rid of what's in front of it.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:38:52 PM
#466
pxlated posted...
And honestly I just dont think thats true. It definitely needs to be done, but its not going to solve the deep seated issues the country has.


No, but we can't begin to even attempt to solve the deep seated issues if Trump's there, either.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:37:15 PM
#464
I'm not saying we need to ignore the hundreds of other problems, but it's not something so readily fixed.

Yeah, the the whole hand is infected. But instead of jumping straight to sawing the whole thing off which may never even happy, we should at least cut off the rotting finger first.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:34:32 PM
#463
The media is caught up on Russia and Trump because that is a problem that needs addressed and can (should) be addressed right now. The media should be focusing on it. Yeah, there's other stuff happening, and bigger problems with the government in general, but the media suddenly switching to "btw look at Yemen" is not only not going to help what's happening in Yemen, but is also a pretty damn good "See? It's not me, it's government!" distraction for Trump.
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 2:28:23 PM
#459
Nobody said Russia was the "cause"

But just hand-waving them as "It's not that big a deal because this other stuff" isn't any better

Like, it's nice to say "Trump is a symptom, not the problem" but for a lot of things, Trump IS a problem, and so just dismissing him as a symptom of something bigger is not good

"Other presidents did bad things" is a poor argument
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
08/01/18 12:40:15 PM
#454
I think saying Trump is a "symptom" is really underselling it

He's certainly been causing a lot of unique problems
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
07/27/18 1:44:24 PM
#314
KamikazePotato posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
KamikazePotato posted...
To do that you either need to create an EXTREMELY ironclad case


This wouldn't matter

I'm talking like, voice recordings level of ironclad. Doubt we'll be that fortunate though.


Trump could shoot a guy in front of Congress and they still wouldn't do anything unless public outcry was loud enough

Trump can get away with anything he wants as long as Republican voters still shout MAGA
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
07/27/18 9:59:53 AM
#305
Where I live in middle of nowhere Kentucky, people abuse government programs but then get really pissed off when anybody else is also on government programs

Person 1: On disability
Person 2: Starts on disability
Person 1: "That's such bullshit. They don't need it. These government handouts are ruining the country. I hope they get rid of it. Don't worry, they won't take mine away, just everybody else."
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Topic$20 off + two 15% off coupons stacking at target
HashtagSEP
07/25/18 1:41:12 PM
#349
ninkendo posted...
well those names are gone now in this version


WHAT
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time
HashtagSEP
07/23/18 5:17:20 PM
#386
Clearly they realized their mistake of Lashley winning the last one and need to correct it
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TopicLong live the king.... King Gojira
HashtagSEP
07/23/18 9:37:06 AM
#24
I mean just watching the trailer for like 30 seconds would have answered your question
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TopicGodzilla: King of the Monsters trailer
HashtagSEP
07/22/18 3:29:58 PM
#3
Basic premise of like the existence of several main Godzilla monsters from the beginning

Stolen from FF7
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TopicLong live the king.... King Gojira
HashtagSEP
07/21/18 9:37:53 PM
#11
Well, yeah

I was assuming more so that Ghidorah is going to basically show signs of waking up on his own which is what causes all of it

Or they accidentally wake him up

But thats assuming Ghidorah is ultimately the big bad like usual
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 5:04:14 PM
#48
Jakyl25 posted...
Just for the record I am not defending Gunn. Some of those jokes were actually pretty disgusting.

Im specifically decrying the idea that a company only stands for their values when people are looking


I 150% agree

The act of protesting has become so powerful now, though, that most companies have become utterly devoid of loyalty and misrepresent their values in the face of such backlash.
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 5:01:54 PM
#45
MoogleKupo141 posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
I'm not worried about Guardians 3 in general

I do hope this doesn't impact Kraglin, though


he'll probably quit out of brotherly solidarity or something


Eh, maybe not. James seems to have accepted it. I could see that happening if he was fighting it.
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 5:00:21 PM
#42
Jakyl25 posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
I do kinda agree with Corrik, here

This feels like something they actually may have knew about and just didn't care, since "comedian making jokes," and only did something now because public outcry forced the hand


Thats a real shitty company then.


Indeed it is, but that's the world we live in, now.
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:58:04 PM
#38
I do kinda agree with Corrik, here

This feels like something they actually may have knew about and just didn't care, since "comedian making jokes," and only did something now because public outcry forced the hand
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:55:38 PM
#34
I'm not worried about Guardians 3 in general

I do hope this doesn't impact Kraglin, though
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:52:12 PM
#31
Corrik posted...
Oh okay. You are right.


Thank you for being civil.
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:50:19 PM
#28
Corrik posted...
source


Gunn's past tweets were dug up on Thursday by critics who oppose his political beliefs. The filmmaker is an outspoken liberal who often criticizes President Trump.


The Daily Caller, OAN correspondent Jack Posobiec and right-wing commentator Mike Cernovich are among those who unearthed the offensive rhetoric.


http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/07/20/guardians-galaxy-filmmaker-james-gunn-addresses-unearthed-tweets-about-rape-pedophilia.html
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:47:28 PM
#25
Corrik posted...
Can you show me where "Trump supporters got Disney to fire him"?


Fox News is reporting Trump-supporting outlets unearthed the tweets and sent them to Disney.
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:40:28 PM
#22
The statement was "Trump supporters did X"

You said "No they didn't"

Trump supporters did, in fact, do X

Nobody said "all Trump supporters"

Sorry that you're so wrong this time. =(
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:36:31 PM
#19
Corrik posted...
HashtagSEP posted...
Corrik posted...
Funny how "trump supporters" caused this when trump supporters are mostly saying they are just jokes and liberals are upset about it.


Funny, TheDonald is loving it

The Donald is extremists, dude.


They're still Trump supporters, so...?
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:36:09 PM
#18
Trump supporter
the comments on facebook are (redacted). people are literally saying, HE SAID THAT AS A JOKE A FEW YEARS AGO!!! WHERE IS FREE SPEECH!! Well, (redacted), he used his free speech. Unfortunately that does not mean free of consequence.


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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:34:18 PM
#16
Corrik posted...
Funny how "trump supporters" caused this when trump supporters are mostly saying they are just jokes and liberals are upset about it.


Funny, TheDonald is loving it
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:33:38 PM
#14
...Okay, the pedo jokes are worse.
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TopicTrump Supporters gets Disney to FIRE JAMES GUNN over his RAPE and PEDO JOKES!!!!
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 4:29:56 PM
#11
Apparently the tweets were from 10 years ago. That said...

The best thing about being raped is when youre done being raped and its like whew this feels great, not being raped!'


I mean, I get how it's offensive, but... I thought it'd be a lot worse than that?
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TopicBROLY Trailer
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 2:48:14 PM
#20
swordz9 posted...
Gohan and Piccolo dont appear to be in it?


Piccolo was in the trailer
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TopicVoldo
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 1:27:00 PM
#9
No Mina yes buy but complain loudly on outdated internet forum
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 1:04:38 PM
#93
...If you haven't seen it, why are you bringing it up?
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 12:53:09 PM
#361
Something something women's revolution, something something Ronda Rousey
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 12:39:56 PM
#87
pxlated posted...
Why do we still care about the stormy Daniels shit


...The point of that isn't about Daniels

It's about the fact Cohen apparently kept tapes/records of random shit and probably has a ton on Trump if he flips

EDIT: Also the model it's talking about isn't even Daniels to begin with
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TopicDragon Ball Z Dokkan Battle Topic : Going Even Further BEYOND
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 12:27:17 PM
#358
What's the next banner/when is it, if we know? Sorry if it's been said and I glossed over it

Trying to decide if I want to save stones or do a few single pulls
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TopicPolitics Containment Topic 185: Doubly Negative
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 11:56:44 AM
#83
I would assume the biggest impact on his professional life would probably be his inability to have somebody disagree with him without saying they have a mental condition
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TopicDragon Ball Z Dokkan Battle Topic : Going Even Further BEYOND
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 11:54:49 AM
#355
That's good to know. Thanks!
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TopicDragon Ball Z Dokkan Battle Topic : Going Even Further BEYOND
HashtagSEP
07/20/18 11:51:23 AM
#353
So I currently run a rainbow team of

TEQ Vegito Blue
STR SSJ4 Goku
AGL SSJ4 Vegeta
INT Super Gogeta
PHY SSJ2 Kefla
STR SSJ2 Vegeta & Bulma

Is Vegeta/Bulma worth keeping, or does my team seem like it'd be better served replacing it with something like AGL Super Vegito or STR Super Gogeta?
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TopicThree different times this article lists being a White Male as a negative.
HashtagSEP
07/19/18 4:50:37 PM
#84
Corrik, are you denying his suggestion that a similar article from a Republican source would not consider "black, female" in the same way?
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time
HashtagSEP
07/19/18 3:17:55 PM
#343
Hardcore_Adult posted...
A sub-par NXT seems to be better than most GOOD RAWs.


We get it

Could you maybe stop making a dozen posts about how much Raw sucks every week and just stop watching it?
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TopicTeen Titans live action trailer
HashtagSEP
07/19/18 12:42:42 PM
#23
This looks really bad
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TopicThree different times this article lists being a White Male as a negative.
HashtagSEP
07/19/18 12:38:14 PM
#62
A good number of people still insisted the long form was a forgery when it was first released, claiming things like the hospital name was wrong, and even things like "There are layers on the PDF which prove it was altered" that required an Adobe-certified expert to come out and say "You're wrong. Shut up."
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TopicThree different times this article lists being a White Male as a negative.
HashtagSEP
07/19/18 11:51:27 AM
#48
KujikawaRising posted...
The whole "birther" stuff was more because Obama had lived in Indonesia and was being dodgy about his birth certificate. It had nothing to do with race.


Fucking what

Like, you realize most birthers insisted he was from Kenya, right

Very few used the "He lived in Indonesia" argument

It was 90% "There's no way he wasn't born in Kenya"
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TopicBase Goku and Base Vegeta coming to Dragon Ball FighterZ. Also open Switch Beta
HashtagSEP
07/18/18 12:57:42 PM
#7
Yeah, data mining found all the DLC characters almost immediately, even to the point where the files were in release order, so we knew base forms were coming next.
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TopicDo you boycott any companies?
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07/18/18 12:50:11 PM
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Well, yeah. I could see that being a major headache if you're doing everything by yourself and haven't gotten it down

I should have been clear that I work for a company that develops production apps for businesses, schools, radio stations, etc, so you've got a team. Designer, developer, QA, dev ops, etc, and so you typically get a developer or two per project that handles only the actual development process, and so when you're one person churning out two native apps on a deadline, or trying to write just one codebase with React Native, iOS is your best friend whereas Android will randomly decide to kick you in the nuts.

I could see iOS's security bullshit and provisioning potentially outweighing that if you do it all yourself, granted our guy basically has it down to a science so I have a different perspective. I mainly just have to be concerned with knowing that my code is written well and functions as intended, and with iOS you know that's going to be the case on pretty much any device they use, which is a huge perk.
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