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NightMareBunny posted...

does the LGBTQ community realize that transgenders are such a minority that no matter what they do there will always be a microscopic amount of them in the grand scheme of things?

This, exactly.....

This is going to be a case of "Get Woke, Go Broke" again....

So the LGBTQP groups wants a real trans acting in this movie, but honestly of all the A-list (even B-list actors) there isn't any "real" trans actors who could sell this movie to the masses. Scarlett Johansson would've brought some star power to the movie, could've been an Oscar nod of a role and movie itself; and still would've gave the "representation" these groups wanted.

Now because of this fake outrage from SJWs, the studio is in a bind..... The director can't scrap the film because then the outrage would continue citing prejudices. And they can't find a WORTHY actor to tackle the role and fulfill the vision the director had for the film.

So now they're going to crank this movie out, with a no name actor that isn't going to sell the movie. At best they'll fish someone out of the E-Hollywood tabloid circuit to fill the role, and turn the whole film into a propganda for these LGBTQP fringe groups.

THEN you're going to get these market analyzers that's going to come to the conclusion that this film will bring in a paltry few million (barely breaking even with the budget of the film, at best), but also predict that they could've brought in revenue that doubles the production budget at best if Scarlett Johansson was in the film.
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WarGreymon77 posted...

She didn't ask for these people's criticisms. Sounds like they were in the wrong to me.

This is such a weak-ass cop out.....and totally wrong too.

You're on social media, a public....saying again, "PUBLIC" forum.......that point of fact alone, suspends her right to ask for criticism or not.

It was Price's vanity that was ultimately her undoing. She could've just set her Twitter account to private so she can keep her opinions confined solely to her own echo-box, while inviting that few 'friends' and some industry shakers to see what her opinions are and enable the god-hood of her own little world. Instead she left it open, to show the world that so-called 'empowered' women can have fancy jobs working on popular videogames. She shouted at the world, and the world shouted back at her.

....reality popped her bubble, and threatened that display of empowerment.
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

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Rimmer_Dall posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

...yeah, right? Where? The Unemployment Line? lol

There are plenty of converged companies that will be eager to snap her up for the sake of virtue signalling.

Probably Gearbox.

Or BioWare these days.

At least until EA dismantles them after Anthem tanks.

Maybe for small indy games like Undertale....sold cheap on Steam next to Hentai puzzle games....

But in the AAA or MMO scene, she probably shot herself in the foot doing anything bigger than being on Guild Wars 2.

To EA's credit though, they wouldn't take Price in since not to long ago the staff there hated the fact that Antia Sarkessian was touring the office. Everyone was worried she was going to make them look bad, making the public believe EA is joining in on the SJW agendas and Antia was "overseeing" their progress.

Price is essentially poison...
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Lil69Leo posted...

She did admit it wasn't misogynistic which was funny.

Yeah, it sounds more now like she knows she fucked up with dropping the identity politics, but instead of full out apologizing to all the REAL women out there for piggy-backing on their real struggles, she uses classic misdirection and blames Anet's HR policy and procedures.

This girl has no shame whatsoever, it's getting comical.

"Going on vacation now"

...yeah, right? Where? The Unemployment Line? lol
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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I'm thinking they were fired not because of their views, but because they were unable to express their views in a civil manner.

Except Prices views arent civil at all.

As said before there is good activism if the cause is noble, and there is a time and place to excerise those views, and then the bad activism that choose to piggy-back on that noble cause for their own person gain....and is a total bitch about it.

Nothing wrong with (First-wave) Feminsm because its simply about garnering a state of equality for opportunity. But when you are abusing that notion as a get out of jail card, because you dont want to lose a covseration, or simply dont want to be humbled, that is where identity politics flys civility right out the window.

In short Price was fired because of her self-entitled views, which lack civility.
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And their silence in condemning the harassment is profoundly telling.

So what is this saying?

She knows she was being a bitch, but still expects a free-pass because of Anet's policies?
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dioxxys posted...

I guess the guy shouldn't be fired cuz all he did was White Knight

Well, he might not be 100% at fault, but he did play his role of being a male-feminist judenrat....
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Golden Road posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

Who (in the gaming industry, at least) would hire someone who easily flies off the handle, and cries "misogyny" at anyone who disagrees with her, even if the topic had nothing to do with identity politics at all?

Something doesn't have to be explicitly stated for a conversation to be about something. If you walk into a conversation blathering on without really understanding the topic, you send the message that you're either an asshole or an idiot. Or both. You send this message even if it's not explicitly stated.

By this logic, anything could be fabricated to something. We could talk about the weather, and you could start listing off how many microaggressions you spotted about how I noticed a cloud in the sky.

Now if you actually read the actual conversation between Price and Denior, youd know nothing was said about gender issues...at all.... nothing was implied, there was no misunderstanding, there were no oppression of the patriarchy.....

And that Price has a very bad reputation (as Ive learned going deeper into the story, and who she is) for constantly pulling the gender card when things dont go her way.
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blackhrt posted...

I like how TC is taking joy in peoples misery for some reason.

It's karmic justice, knowing that the higher powers above us don't tolerate this kind of bullshit.
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Revelation34 posted...

Joker_X_II posted...

She is, why do you think they fired her?

Who (in the gaming industry, at least) would hire someone who easily flies off the handle, and cries "misogyny" at anyone who disagrees with her, even if the topic had nothing to do with identity politics at all?

No studio would want someone like that to speak for them.

Because companies are full of morons that think something a person did off their time is grounds for firing. Like the Chick-fil-A guy when it has no actual bearing on the company.

But she was speaking for that company, she was on an open platform, inviting to all the GW2 gamers, speaking about her methods for game writing, writing for GW2, and again, flips her shit when she didn't like feedback, and hiding behind her identity politics too.

It's not like there is this 9-to-5 window where professional speech and personal speech transistion here. She was a member of ArenaNet, and essentially speaking for ArenaNet.

It's a totally different situation than the Chick-Fil-A story.
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Revelation34 posted...

She isn't.

She is, why do you think they fired her?

Who (in the gaming industry, at least) would hire someone who easily flies off the handle, and cries "misogyny" at anyone who disagrees with her, even if the topic had nothing to do with identity politics at all?

No studio would want someone like that to speak for them.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

peole who use "woke" outside of something like "i woke up from a nap", are fucking idiots

I agree, but if you're laughing at the "Get Woke, Go Broke" line.....understand that's it "their" word being thrown back at them.

I personally don't go around using "woke" like a dumb-ass SJW hipster who got a pat on the head for saying "have a nice day" to some over-weight, pink-haired, multi-sexual, whatever, 'thing' serving me a coffee.
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Golden Road posted...

Someone is an asshole to Jessica Price, then is able to get her fired when she doesn't just sit back and take it. Seems totally fair -_-

Prove it, prove that Denoir was being an asshole to her

NOW!
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I was going to write my own block of text explaining to 'NightmareBunny' how SJW are more sub-human than those he thinks use the label in the first place but 'ParanoidObsessive' explained it the best.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

People calling out SJWs for legitimate SJW behavior absolutely have the right to do so, and deserve their voice more than any SJW who has ever lived.

And like it or not, most actual legitimate social justice advocates and people who actually DO further the cause of social justice in the real world (and not just digitally masturbate themselves on Twitter) would (and often do) find the behavior of most SJWs reprehensible and self-sabotaging. Just as many equal rights advocates and women's rights activists in the real world hate the word "feminism" because it's been damaged by the most extreme, insane, and vindictive feminists using the term in an entirely negative light, poisoning the well for everyone else.

...beautiful.


*this one is for 'NightmareBunny', this is the type of SJW that should be ostracized, and their voice taken away. Price apparently has a history of being a that filthy SJW.

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Now here's an update from the same youtuber I posted earlier:



Don't know why people dislike YongYea, he brings the facts and articulates them well.

Apparently, this SJW, now-unemployed, idiot still has no clue over why she was fired,...she still uses the Vagina Card, still won't acknowledge that it was her own hubris, that fatal flaw of being self-entitled and disrespectful that ended her job, and most likely her career (since who the fuck would ever hire her, if she's such a liability?)

....at this rate, she'll be the homeless cat lady by this time next year.
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Day old news, but I'm LMFAO here about it still.....

In short, the writer for Guild Wars 2, Jessica Price goes on twitter to explain her writing processes, then a player of the game responded back with "maturity, politeness, and respect" gave criticisms that were often counter-intuitive to Price's method. Price flips her shit, and calls out the person as a lesser being since she has 10 years experience writing for games, and no one else knows nothing; then more players chimed in on the discussion, until Price returns scathing back at them, and worse....DROPPING THE GENDER CARD THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO THE WITH CONVERSATION IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!......After a few more exchanges, another writer for the game stepped up to defend her with the usual tripe you hear from so-called male-feminist cucks.....

After a few more heated exchanges from more players, followed by reddit blowing all over the place, ArenaNet comes in a day later, gives a bit of PR rhetoric about respect and love for their customers followed by the two writers...GETTING FIRED!!!!!....

BwahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAaaaaaa......!

The details best explained here:


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This is what should start happening to those who fuck around with identity politics in businesses or the workplace, "Get Woke, Go Broke"....especially in the videogame industry.

Even in all angles of 'geek culture' we see the downward spiral of the Star Wars movies, comic book stores shutting down because they refuse to sell titles from (lol) "misogynistic authors" to "misogynistic customers".....

...and now we get game developers getting the shaft for a subject that was never the issue in the place.

Hilarious.

/discuss
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Zeus posted...

"Obvious bait!"

Bait for what? An intellectual conversation?

Yet what's obvious is I got 12 year old laughing at a forum signature.....who's gonna pay for your MTXs when your daddies are stuck in the poggie-lines because you're all on the losing end of the trade war?
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Sarcasthma posted...

Good Lord, TC's sig and profile pic...

You're the one to talk? Are you 12?
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Zeus posted...

Lazy trolling/10

How so?

Don't you keep up with current events?
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So how does this work for gamers?

We stop buying into Microsoft? No more X-Box? Cancel their Gold service? Screw all CoD and Battlefield games?

Unsubscribe from 'World of Warcraft'? And spread the word about other games; like Final Fantasy 14 (a Japanese MMO game, where the servers are based in Montreal, IIRC).

Buy EA games only produced in Vancouver? Bioware games from Edmonton?

Become a CDPR fanboy, and nothing else? Sony or Nintendo only?

/discuss
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I'm more worried about the false allegations against Maynard James Keenan, than Chris Hardwick.....
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You don't.

We live in an era where men get sent to jail for rape, just for looking in their direction for 2 seconds.

You're screwed.
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Zareth posted...

Fascism wins again.

Since when is consumer choice = fascism?
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darkknight109 posted...

Worth noting that this was the exact situation that led up to the Video Game Crash of '83.

If another crash were to happen, it'll probably have more to do with too many AAA games pushing micro-transactions as the only way to play. There was a lot of financial backlash with EA's Star Wars: Battlefront 2. And Red Dead Redemption 2 is already seeing controversy with it's pay2win features in their deluxe editions of the game. Crap like that will crash the market.

The "Crash of '83" used up too much plastic and packaging for the hardware, which had always jacked up the retail price to begin with. Today, the impending crash in the near future would probably leave all the indy developers jobless, or living in their parents basement trying to peddle their a Peggle clone as another cheap mobile app.

adjl posted...

Selling bad, offensive games on Steam is rapidly approaching meme status, and Valve just gave that carte blanche to continue at a point when they ought to be cracking down and doing some real quality control.

Vote with your wallet,....that's the best you can do.
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darkknight109 posted...

PyroBlade1985 posted...

This isnt a free speech issue, because Valve isnt a government entity.

Why do people keep using that bullshit excuse?

Because it's true.

Valve is a private corporation. They have no legal or moral obligation to publish anything they do not want to publish, for any reason.

This.

Valve is a private platform where they write the rules on what can be said. It's not a government entity, that serves the people.

...but again, the whole point of this article is basically saying, "they don't care what is being said anymore". It's a lot of work to police and missed profits to 'censor' art based on unpopular opinions (depending on what side of the opinion you are on).

So Valve is well within their right to censor,...the point is they won't bother.

Which is what true freedom is.
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shadowsword87 posted...

So porn is fine now?

I think they're more less referencing "Hatred" or whatever that school shooting simulator game is...

...but yeah, I suppose porn/hentai games are going to come flooding in too.

Personally I think it's a "good" idea, but like most good ideas it's going to be exploited with agendas. Just like how some SJWs tend to call everything so offensive they need to be removed from public consumption which to a further degree tends to lead to "censorship" of other ideas.

...this change in policy tends to re-enforce "personal responsibility" upon the consumer, instead of letting fringe groups tell that consumer what is good/bad for them.....tl:dr: think for yourself and decide.

Then again, the down-side is putting up with games like "Hatred" and other edgelord crap you see in the store.
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https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/6/17435324/valve-steam-policy-games

Todays blog post makes something explicit that many of us have seen for a while: The company doesnt really care about the content on its platform. It doesnt want to be put in the sticky situation of being responsible for the things being sold through Steam, so it wont anymore. Anyone can sell their game on Steam, with a few tiny exceptions.

...Weve decided that the right approach is to allow everything onto the Steam Store, except for things that we decide are illegal, or straight up trolling, Valves Erik Johnson said in a blog post. Taking this approach allows us to focus less on trying to police what should be on Steam, and more on building those tools to give people control over what kinds of content they see.

The wording is important there, because youd think what is illegal is a question for laws and courts, and not Valve, but this allows them to wash their hands of most decisions while keeping the control to interpret which illegal games should be removed and to be the final arbiter of what is and isnt trolling. Its a way of making sure the peasants know that they, and only they, are responsible for themselves, but the king is still the king.

There are also no stated mechanisms with which Valve will find games that are illegal or trolling. Why pay to do something yourself when you can just tell the audience its their job, or responsibility, to do it for you?

You can say the thought process behind this decision is profits, since it costs Valve very little to allow a game on its service and the company takes a large percentage of everything thats sold on the platform, but the blog posts makes it clear that its also about cowardice.

The harsh reality of this space, that lies at the root of our dilemma, is that there is absolutely no way we can navigate it without making some of our players really mad, Johnson said.

Saying there are no rules is a good way to make sure no one gets mad, and if people get upset about the flood of abusive and hateful games that now, by policy, have a home on Steam ... well, tough shit. Its your responsibility to not look at them, if you dont like them. Valve doesnt want to have to think about this stuff, it gets in the way of counting the money.

This isnt a free speech issue, because Valve isnt a government entity. This isnt an issue of lack of resources, because Valve makes enormous profits from Steam and could easily afford to put more robust vetting in place. It isnt an issue of lack of people, because more people could be hired to work on the problem if it was something Valve actually cared about solving.

But this solution keeps things simple, and profitable. Anything goes, and Valve is going to make money on all of it. If you dont like it? Well, thats your issue. Theres plenty of money to be made selling games that seek to profit from hateful ideas and images, and it can only cost money to run your company with basic decency. This blog post isnt a statement, its an excuse. And in 2018, its a lazy excuse.

If youre a developer of offensive games, this isnt us siding with you against all the people youre offending, Johnson said. Valve isnt picking a side, because that would mean turning down money from someone. The argument is made that someone in Valve may even agree that some games shouldnt be on the service, but this policy means that no one at Valve ever has to feel responsible for how they make money. Its an open declaration of for-profit sociopathy. You cant give something a home, take a percentage of its sales, and say that the product doesnt reflect your beliefs. Your beliefs are being reflected perfectly in that situation, in fact.

This was probably a simple decision for Valve, and if youre upset, just remember that your anger isnt the anger that Valve cares about.

/discuss
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Avengers: "Now kill the other half of the universe with another redpill philosophy".
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