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TopicOctopath Traveler General
silentwing26x
07/25/18 8:23:53 PM
#322
the music in Wellspring is so beautiful
TopicOctopath Traveler General
silentwing26x
07/25/18 3:14:36 PM
#311
i love this game so much
TopicComey: Democrats, please don't lose your mind and rush to the socialist left.
silentwing26x
07/24/18 3:46:51 PM
#51
Suspended for that? wtf
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:51:06 PM
#81
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:46:24 PM
#79
KobeSystem posted...
Also communism only has a chance of working in either a hivemind society or when everything is automated and capitalism wont really work anymore but we are far from that imo


Except it won't even be capitalism or communism when everything is automated. It'll be something entirely different because there won't be a singular means of production and there won't be a profit motive anymore.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:40:54 PM
#76
Dragonblade01 posted...
As an aside to those in favor of transitioning to a communist system: Even supposing that communism could work in a different environment (which I imagine it could), the very act of acknowledging that it can't work in the current environment is tantamount to acknowledging that it shouldn't be attempted in the current environment.

So why support its implementation?


Literally just because they hate people who are successful and want an excuse to be violent.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:26:15 PM
#72
Dragonblade01 posted...
Surprising decision. Hope the best for them.


They're already seeing the benefits of private property and the private sector. I give them another 10 years before they go the full length of abandoning the "socialist" moniker and graduating to "social democracy"

KobeSystem posted...
Unironic communists, Trump as leader of the free world, and the rise of the flat earthers. Truly the meme generation


Don't forget the anti-vaccers
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:25:14 PM
#71
Kineth posted...
I seriously doubt you could read 700 pages of hard economic theory over your morning coffee.


I devour books and I'm on PTO, so I would definitely massacre a shit ton of literature on a good morning with some good coffee.

CommunismFTW posted...
silentwing26x posted...

those books address all of these points you made, in detail. the tl;dr is that you're incredibly wrong.

here's an example: because of progress in agriculture, we were able to increase crop yield and simultaneously reduce the amount of land needed. for example, if farming didn't advance the way it has advanced, in order to produce as much food as we do now we'd have needed a land mass the size of all of Russia + America. but we were able to drastically increase yield and also reduce the amount of land needed to produce more yield. and that'll continue.

the same is true for so many other things we rely on. we've gotten better at producing everything. another example in the books is how we were once upon a time at risk of running out of some precious metals used to produce the old style of televisions. but because of market pressures, we eventually figured out a better way to make televisions using metals that are abundant throughout the whole planet.

you should read those books. you should also read Disparities and Discrimination by Thomas Sowell. the tl;dr is that disparities can occur naturally, meaning that they aren't necessarily an indication of something being broken or not working.


i'll definitely add them to my list, and i appreciate the different perspective you're adopting. it is more hopeful than mine, and perhaps the levity itself can help to drive improvements to avoid impending disaster in various sectors of both the country and world. i have difficulties in seeing the realism of having our current course be altered in such a way, that the ever incredible technologies that we are using to harness the world will eventually shift courses from financial profit, to world and human life itself


I'm incredibly optimistic. Unbridled optimism is my modus operandi. I think you're really going to enjoy the books and I'm even willing to pay for your copy of Enlightenment Now if you'll add it to the top of your reading list.

Here's also a really optimistic talk on climate change from the man himself:

TopicAnother fucking mass shooting.
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:22:10 PM
#2
uh that happened in Canada
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:20:15 PM
#66
Kineth posted...
silentwing26x posted...
I've read most of Marx's stuff.


I seriously doubt you've read Das Kapital.


I don't care what you doubt or don't doubt. Marx's writing, including Das Kapital, is easily available on the internet. Even if I didn't read it, I could easily just go read it tomorrow morning with some coffee because of how available it is. So it's silly to try to shame me with some paranoia about how I didn't read it when I could literally read it right now if I had never done so already.

I read that bullshit a long time ago though.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:18:48 PM
#65
CommunismFTW posted...
silentwing26x posted...
It absolutely is working. That doesn't mean we can't improve things, but to say it's not working would be to ignore 150+ years of evidence. I recommend two books: 1) Enlightenment Now and 2) The Better Angels of Our Nature. Both by Steven Pinker and stuffed to the brim with high quality sources. There's so many objective measurements used to show that life is better than ever and still improving, in America and abroad.


the point you missed was that the trajectory we're on cannot be labeled as working if there are so many negatives and disparities in balance and numbers; the social model is not sustainable during booming population and migration due to changing weather or availability of work, nor is it sustainable for the environment itself due to which the absurd quality of life people have come to accept as the norm, when it would be dreamed of in godly visions three hundred years ago

i would be content owning a farm, a few animals, eating comfortably off my own work and not being even remotely close to another human being. to most people, life is unacceptable unless through phone, game, and disassociation through social media. it is this unbalance that will ultimately not work.


those books address all of these points you made, in detail. the tl;dr is that you're incredibly wrong.

here's an example: because of progress in agriculture, we were able to increase crop yield and simultaneously reduce the amount of land needed. for example, if farming didn't advance the way it has advanced, in order to produce as much food as we do now we'd have needed a land mass the size of all of Russia + America. but we were able to drastically increase yield and also reduce the amount of land needed to produce more yield. and that'll continue.

the same is true for so many other things we rely on. we've gotten better at producing everything. another example in the books is how we were once upon a time at risk of running out of some precious metals used to produce the old style of televisions. but because of market pressures, we eventually figured out a better way to make televisions using metals that are abundant throughout the whole planet.

you should read those books. you should also read Disparities and Discrimination by Thomas Sowell. the tl;dr is that disparities can occur naturally, meaning that they aren't necessarily an indication of something being broken or not working.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:08:52 PM
#62
CommunismFTW posted...
just because capitalism is the mainstream doesn't mean it works, it means it won. do you think this country is "working" right now?


It absolutely is working. That doesn't mean we can't improve things, but to say it's not working would be to ignore 150+ years of evidence. I recommend two books: 1) Enlightenment Now and 2) The Better Angels of Our Nature. Both by Steven Pinker and stuffed to the brim with high quality sources. There's so many objective measurements used to show that life is better than ever and still improving, in America and abroad.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:00:22 PM
#58
I've read most of Marx's stuff. It's mostly horse shit. It's cute that your stock deflection when someone points out it's garbage writing is "you've never read it" lmao

Marxism is a delusion. At best it is flat earthism, and at worst it is as murderous as Nazism.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:47:33 PM
#53
Nope, it's only "outlined" in post hoc Marxist interpretations of Marx's writings. No different than post hoc interpretations of Genesis or Revelations when science revealed the truth and none of those prophesied things happened.

The Marxists in the 40s, 50s, and beyond certainly disagreed with you and were stalwart in their implementation efforts. They were optimistic and thankfully for us they declared victory prematurely, so we have evidence that the Marxist thought leaders and subject matter experts knew they were implementing it as intended.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:44:30 PM
#50
That is simply post hoc apologetic bullshit. They could not implement it in any century beyond Marx's century because the standard of living is rising and will continue to rise thanks to technology, individualism, and property rights. It was impossible and will always remain impossible.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:41:29 PM
#48
Godnorgosh posted...
I knew you'd take the bait and ignore the relevant parts of the text btw, Proddy.


I've read the entire thing. It's all bullshit, and those parts I pasted were the especially hilarious bits and pieces.

There is no sane defense of communism in any of its known incarnations. The reason there won't ever be a violent revolution is because Marx was wrong. Any attempts at violent revolution are in spite of the working class enjoying a higher and higher standard of living over the last 150 years, not because of anything else.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:40:01 PM
#47
Godnorgosh posted...
@Kazi1212

The point here is that what you are calling reasons to reject the possibility of communism are not good reasons. They are reasons to reject the possibility of communism given, say, the material conditions present in 20th-century Soviet Russia, similar to the fact that the development of capitalism would have been impossible too early in the development of feudalism.

Recognizing this fact doesn't commit you to communism, but it does commit you to historicizing the present rather than naturalizing it, and interpreting current events accordingly.


@Kazi1212

Note that this is all post hoc bullshit that was invented to explain away the catastrophic and deep communist failures in the 20th century. The Marxist thought leaders of the time all championed what they were doing and were convinced that they were right and that they'd succeed. One timely piece of evidence is the Soviet Union textbook Godnorgosh just linked us to.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:31:50 PM
#44
Godnorgosh posted...
silentwing26x posted...
What were the historical prerequisites for Marx's violent revolution


https://www.marxists.org/subject/economy/authors/pe/pe-ch40.htm

Btw, so far in human history there hasn't been any such thing as a nonviolent transition from one economic substructure to another. The transitional period between feudalism and capitalism was very bloody.


Let's see what we have here...

POLITICAL ECONOMY
A Textbook issued by the Economics Institute of the Academy of Sciences of the U.S.S.R


Bahahahaha!!!

The Soviet Union is a mighty industrial power. In the tempo of development of its industry the Soviet Union is ahead of all the capitalist countries. In the overall amount of industrial production, in the volume of production of such decisive "branches of the national economy as the production of pig-iron and steel, the output of coal and the output of electrical power, the U.S.S.R. is ahead of all capitalist countries except the U.S.A., and holds second place in the world.

However, the task, laid down by V.I. Lenin, of overtaking and outstripping economically the most highly-developed capitalist countries, has not yet been fulfilled. A countrys economic might is determined not by the volume of production generally, but by the volume of production taken in connection with the numbers of the population, that is, calculated per head of population. Together with this, the amount of industrial production and especially of heavy industrial production, is of decisive significance.


LMAO hahahaha

You sure you want to base your worldview on the catastrophically deranged philosophies from the Soviet Union? LOL Jesus Christ.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:24:28 PM
#40
Reis posted...
iT wIlL wOrK nExT tImE cOmRaDe


maybe this time only 50 million will die instead of nearly 100 million. small price to pay for inventing the lightbulb!!!!
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:20:33 PM
#36
What were the historical prerequisites for Marx's violent revolution
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:18:37 PM
#34
Kazi1212 posted...
Saying youre a communist today is just completely puzzling to me


I mean we're also seeing a resurgence in people who literally think the earth is flat, so something is definitely in our water in 2018.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:17:35 PM
#32
Capitalism is always pragmatic unless someone is using force/violence to block free trade and investment. It's an engine of prosperity and development unless force/violence are used to prevent people from engaging in it.

When you don't allow people to invest, have private property, make passive income, etc, you end up with the standards of living seen during feudalism. So feudalism and communism have that standard of living in common, ironically enough. You can see that in how people had to eat their own children (literally) because of starvation in eastern Europe and Soviet Russia.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:14:54 PM
#30
Spooking posted...
More countries are wising up to the fact that communism is a complete and utter failure.


B-but Marx prophesied a violent revolution!!1111
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:11:11 PM
#28
The only way capitalism isn't pragmatic is if a greater governing body is preventing free trade and investment. With force / the death penalty.
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:05:04 PM
#25
Kazi1212 posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
If the proper material conditions aren't in place, communism can't take root. Communism cannot flourish in a globally capitalist environment. Marxists have always known this.


So youre saying communism is not possible in this day and age correct? If thats the case why do you continue to call yourself to be a communist if you know it cant take root? Surely theres more pragmatic ideas that can help illeviate the ills of the world then something that is impossible.


hint: his parents taught him Marxism from a young age
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 10:02:47 PM
#23
> tries communism for 50+ years
> never succeeds because communism produces only starvation and deep poverty
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 9:56:49 PM
#18
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 12:15:02 PM
#9
halomonkey1_3_5 posted...
was Cuba the most successful communist country?


"successful"
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 12:08:28 PM
#7
Ivynn posted...
Death is a preferable alternative to communism.


That's what the eastern European revolutionaries thought when they fought back against the communists. Godspeed brother.
TopicDo you believe that Burgess actually just inherited 7 million dollars?
silentwing26x
07/22/18 12:05:55 PM
#28
he said he'd donate $1,000,000 right? i'm skeptical of that.
TopicMy grandpa just died and left me $6.5 million. he was the CEO of Sweet n Low.
silentwing26x
07/22/18 12:00:44 PM
#487
is this real? >_>
TopicCuba axes "Communist" from constitution, recognizes private property
silentwing26x
07/22/18 11:57:27 AM
#1
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cuba-assembly/cuba-aims-to-build-socialism-not-communism-in-draft-constitution-idUSKBN1KB0ML

A draft of Cubas new constitution omits the aim of building communism, recognizes private property and opens the door to gay marriage, in a sign of changing times, although it keeps the Communist Party as the guiding force of the one-party system.

Cubas national assembly is this weekend debating a draft of the document to replace its Soviet-era constitution, reflecting political, social and economic changes designed to make its brand of socialism sustainable and implementing new ones too.

Once lawmakers have approved the draft, it will be submitted to a popular consultation. The final document, which could include changes, will then be put to a national referendum.

The current draft omits a clause in the 1976 constitution on the ultimate aim of building a communist society, instead simply focusing on socialism.

This does not mean we are renouncing our ideas, the president of the National Assembly Esteban Lazo was quoted as saying by state-run media. Cuba had simply moved into a different era following the fall of the Soviet Union, he said.

We believe in a socialist, sovereign, independent, prosperous and sustainable country.

Laying out the new constitution to lawmakers on Saturday, the secretary of the council of state, Homero Acosta, said it included the recognition of private property, something long stigmatized by the Communist Party as a vestige of capitalism.

That change should give greater legal recognition to the micro businesses that have flourished in the wake of market reforms to the ailing state-run economy that have fostered a small but vibrant private sector and attempted to rake in more foreign investment.


Cubas current constitution only recognizes state, cooperative, farmer, personal and joint venture property.

The draft also appears to strengthen political institutions and create a more collective leadership structure, after nearly 60 years of rule by late revolutionary leader Fidel Castro and his younger brother Raul Castro.

Castro, then 86, handed over the presidency in April to his mentee Miguel Diaz-Canel, 58, although he remains head of the Communist Party until 2021. He also heads the constitutional reform commission.

Under the new constitution, the president will no longer be the head of the council of state and council of ministers.

Instead it creates the position of prime minister and designates the president of the assembly also as head of the council of state, Cubas highest executive body.

One of the other top items at Saturdays assembly was the recognition in the draft constitution of marriage as between two individuals rather than a man and a wife.

The draft also sets an age and term limits for presidents, stating they must be under 60 when they first take office and can carry out no more than two consecutive five-year terms.


We've seen this trend in other countries that were previously run by communists, like Romania. Little by little they let in capitalism, see that it revitalizes their economy and increases the standard of living, and then abandon Marx entirely.

Shame it took Cuba this many decades to finally approach the 21st century, but this is a good step in the right direction.
TopicHow did the world populate from just Adam and Eve?
silentwing26x
07/21/18 11:08:45 PM
#17
ThyCorndog posted...
CiIantro posted...
It didn't.

I mean... this. without question. anything else is just explaining like how does santa really get his reindeer to fly


I don't think you need to believe it is real in order to respect it and understand it correctly as literature.
TopicHow did the world populate from just Adam and Eve?
silentwing26x
07/21/18 11:04:24 PM
#14
Nothing in the Bible says Adam and Eve were the only humans that were created, just that they were the first.
TopicAnti venom (CROFAB) costs $8,000-12,000+ per vial
silentwing26x
07/21/18 10:31:12 PM
#11
RE_expert44 posted...
@silentwing26x posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
i remember seeing on reddit some guys bill after a snake bit and it was in the hundreds of thousands. At that point youre done son.


how much did he owe out of pocket? for situations like that hospitals / states will write off the bill. no one actually has to pay hundreds of thousands for that.

check it out here

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3dngld/this_is_the_cost_of_a_rattlesnake_bite_in_america/


yeah and in the end i'm sure the hospital wrote off the bill and he paid a few hundred dollars.
TopicAnti venom (CROFAB) costs $8,000-12,000+ per vial
silentwing26x
07/21/18 10:22:49 PM
#8
RE_expert44 posted...
i remember seeing on reddit some guys bill after a snake bit and it was in the hundreds of thousands. At that point youre done son.


how much did he owe out of pocket? for situations like that hospitals / states will write off the bill. no one actually has to pay hundreds of thousands for that.
TopicPeople highlight Jeff Bezos was born to a teen mom, but I doubt he had it rough
silentwing26x
07/21/18 9:47:50 PM
#5
SK8T3R215 posted...
Reeeeeeee rich people reeeee
TopicThe Ghost and the Darkness O.O this movie really scared me as a kid
silentwing26x
07/21/18 9:09:03 PM
#4
oh fuck this is scary CE :(
TopicGolden Sun has ridiculously boring characters
silentwing26x
07/21/18 8:56:10 PM
#8
Hop103 posted...
Bad taste alert.
TopicThe Ghost and the Darkness O.O this movie really scared me as a kid
silentwing26x
07/21/18 8:55:57 PM
#3
EbonTitanium posted...
I remember this movie. Smart, murderous lions.


the crazy thing is that it really happened irl
TopicShe's so beautiful, CE.
silentwing26x
07/21/18 8:53:58 PM
#6
Big_Nabendu posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
Pics
TopicGolden Sun has ridiculously boring characters
silentwing26x
07/21/18 8:53:09 PM
#6
meestermj posted...
You shut the fuck up.
TopicThe Ghost and the Darkness O.O this movie really scared me as a kid
silentwing26x
07/21/18 8:52:44 PM
#1
haven't seen it since i was like 7 or 8. it's on Amazon Prime so I started it up. wish me luck.

*butthole puckers in fear*
TopicGolden Sun And Shining Force Illustrator Hiroshi Kajiyama Passes Away
silentwing26x
07/21/18 8:06:52 PM
#3
:(

Rest in peace
TopicDredd (2012) is five years old already.
silentwing26x
07/21/18 7:27:59 PM
#5
Doe posted...
You're already old


No I'm not, I'm only in my 20s

Antifar posted...
Six


*drops monocle*

My God
TopicDredd (2012) is five years old already.
silentwing26x
07/21/18 7:26:30 PM
#1
Time flies. :( Soon it'll be 10 years old.

Then soon we'll be old.
TopicA solution to the problem of long workdays, unequal power, corruption: Communism
silentwing26x
07/21/18 6:31:10 PM
#128
i mean TC is either a really crappy troll or a very delusional underage user who simply doesn't know better
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